Date: 20/04/2024 08:40:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2146395
Subject: Widespread liver problems

Reading in New Scientist today that:

1/3 of all adults have a potentially dangerous fatty liver.
Most don’t know it, because it is usually asymptomatic, but it can lead to life threatening conditions.
It is associated with obesity.

The condition is known as NAFLD (non-alcoholic fatty-liver disease) or MASLD (Metabolic dysfunction associated steatotic liver disease).

I had never heard of this before, and it seems there is no monitoring for this condition, but it does seem like a very good reason to lose weight.

He said looking at no-one in particular.

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Date: 20/04/2024 09:05:59
From: SCIENCE
ID: 2146401
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

Hypercholesterolaemia¡

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Date: 20/04/2024 09:12:14
From: dv
ID: 2146403
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

The Rev Dodgson said:


Reading in New Scientist today that:

1/3 of all adults have a potentially dangerous fatty liver.
Most don’t know it, because it is usually asymptomatic, but it can lead to life threatening conditions.
It is associated with obesity.

The condition is known as NAFLD (non-alcoholic fatty-liver disease) or MASLD (Metabolic dysfunction associated steatotic liver disease).

I had never heard of this before, and it seems there is no monitoring for this condition, but it does seem like a very good reason to lose weight.

He said looking at no-one in particular.

Okay

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Date: 20/04/2024 09:21:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 2146406
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

When I fell off a ladder, their X-Ray was temporarily down so they did a full torso CT scan.
I read the report with the CT images. It said my liver was 25% callcified. I asked my doctor what that meant and was told that this is considered normal for my age at the time. This was in 2008.

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Date: 20/04/2024 13:03:57
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2146519
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

So do can dangerously fatty liver not be detected by routine blood tests?

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Date: 20/04/2024 13:06:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2146522
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

Bubblecar said:


So do can dangerously fatty liver not be detected by routine blood tests?

>A health care professional may take a blood sample from you and send the sample to a lab. Your doctor may suspect you have NAFLD if your blood test shows increased levels of the liver enzymes alanine aminotransferase (ALT) and aspartate aminotransferase (AST).

Your doctor may use the results of routine blood tests to calculate special scores, such as the FIB-4 or APRI. These scores can help doctors identify or rule out advanced liver fibrosis, or scarring.

Your doctor may perform additional blood tests to find out if you have other health conditions that may increase your liver enzyme levels.

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/liver-disease/nafld-nash/diagnosis#:~:text=Blood%20tests,-A%20health%20care&text=Your%20doctor%20may%20suspect%20you,the%20FIB%2D4%20or%20APRI.

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Date: 20/04/2024 13:07:26
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2146523
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

Bubblecar said:


So do can dangerously fatty liver not be detected by routine blood tests?

So do can = So can

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Date: 20/04/2024 13:09:08
From: Bubblecar
ID: 2146525
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

Bubblecar said:


Bubblecar said:

So do can dangerously fatty liver not be detected by routine blood tests?

>A health care professional may take a blood sample from you and send the sample to a lab. Your doctor may suspect you have NAFLD if your blood test shows increased levels of the liver enzymes alanine aminotransferase (ALT) and aspartate aminotransferase (AST).

Your doctor may use the results of routine blood tests to calculate special scores, such as the FIB-4 or APRI. These scores can help doctors identify or rule out advanced liver fibrosis, or scarring.

Your doctor may perform additional blood tests to find out if you have other health conditions that may increase your liver enzyme levels.

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/liver-disease/nafld-nash/diagnosis#:~:text=Blood%20tests,-A%20health%20care&text=Your%20doctor%20may%20suspect%20you,the%20FIB%2D4%20or%20APRI.

My GP told me my last blood tests (earlier this year) showed normal liver function.

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Date: 20/04/2024 13:13:34
From: OCDC
ID: 2146528
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

Bubblecar said:

So do can dangerously fatty liver not be detected by routine blood tests?
Its function can be impaired without derangement of blood tests. Ditto most things.

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Date: 20/04/2024 13:18:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 2146531
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

Bubblecar said:


So do can dangerously fatty liver not be detected by routine blood tests?

If I recall the article correctly, you can get good indications from standard blood tests, but next to no-one does it.

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Date: 20/04/2024 14:12:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 2146559
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

Bubblecar said:


So do can dangerously fatty liver not be detected by routine blood tests?

Yes it can.

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Date: 20/04/2024 14:26:08
From: Ian
ID: 2146571
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

roughbarked said:


Bubblecar said:

So do can dangerously fatty liver not be detected by routine blood tests?

Yes it can.

Need follow up ultrasound. I’ve had plenty of them because haemochromatosis.. another risk factor.. for joy.

Or CT, MRI

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Date: 20/04/2024 14:28:16
From: roughbarked
ID: 2146576
Subject: re: Widespread liver problems

Ian said:


roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

So do can dangerously fatty liver not be detected by routine blood tests?

Yes it can.

Need follow up ultrasound. I’ve had plenty of them because haemochromatosis.. another risk factor.. for joy.

Or CT, MRI

Yeah every scan reduces your chances.

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