Date: 30/10/2011 16:25:48
From: buffy
ID: 140936
Subject: Passionfruit

Has anyone here grown cuttings of black passionfruit? I’m curious. I’ve just nipped a piece off and shoved it into some soil. I know they are usually a grafted beast.

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Date: 30/10/2011 16:29:38
From: roughbarked
ID: 140937
Subject: re: Passionfruit

buffy said:

Has anyone here grown cuttings of black passionfruit? I’m curious. I’ve just nipped a piece off and shoved it into some soil. I know they are usually a grafted beast.

There is no reason it cannot occur, other than this.. every plant may be cultivated form a single bud, provided all requirements are met.

Today is a bitch of a day for taking tip cuttings. Way too windy and dry here. Best of luck Buffy.

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Date: 30/10/2011 17:35:51
From: pomolo
ID: 140949
Subject: re: Passionfruit

buffy said:

Has anyone here grown cuttings of black passionfruit? I’m curious. I’ve just nipped a piece off and shoved it into some soil. I know they are usually a grafted beast.

I was just reading up about this subject yesterday. The grafting is the crux. There is every chance your cutting won’t even set fruit. Besides you’re just better to go buy a new grafted one. So they say.

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Date: 30/10/2011 17:38:47
From: roughbarked
ID: 140950
Subject: re: Passionfruit

pomolo said:


buffy said:

Has anyone here grown cuttings of black passionfruit? I’m curious. I’ve just nipped a piece off and shoved it into some soil. I know they are usually a grafted beast.

I was just reading up about this subject yesterday. The grafting is the crux. There is every chance your cutting won’t even set fruit. Besides you’re just better to go buy a new grafted one. So they say.

My big problem is with the rootstock. I’d rather select from good seed and select from good seedlings.

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Date: 30/10/2011 17:51:46
From: bluegreen
ID: 140952
Subject: re: Passionfruit

roughbarked said:


pomolo said:

buffy said:

Has anyone here grown cuttings of black passionfruit? I’m curious. I’ve just nipped a piece off and shoved it into some soil. I know they are usually a grafted beast.

I was just reading up about this subject yesterday. The grafting is the crux. There is every chance your cutting won’t even set fruit. Besides you’re just better to go buy a new grafted one. So they say.

My big problem is with the rootstock. I’d rather select from good seed and select from good seedlings.

I was stripping off growth from below the graft of my passionfruit plant the other day. AFAIK the grafted ones are so that they grow in cooler climates. You shouldn’t need it if you are up north (sorry buffy, I can’t remember where you are.)

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Date: 30/10/2011 19:23:30
From: buffy
ID: 140963
Subject: re: Passionfruit

I’m in SouthWest Vic. I’ll watch out for a plant locally too, but I’ll see if the really soft growth bit does anything other than die. I can’t think of any logical reason that you would need a grafted plant for it to fruit though.

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Date: 30/10/2011 19:43:35
From: roughbarked
ID: 140966
Subject: re: Passionfruit

buffy said:

I’m in SouthWest Vic. I’ll watch out for a plant locally too, but I’ll see if the really soft growth bit does anything other than die. I can’t think of any logical reason that you would need a grafted plant for it to fruit though.

Trichome will probably talk about whether cuttings can develop tap roots.

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Date: 30/10/2011 20:00:47
From: pomolo
ID: 140974
Subject: re: Passionfruit

bluegreen said:


roughbarked said:

pomolo said:

I was just reading up about this subject yesterday. The grafting is the crux. There is every chance your cutting won’t even set fruit. Besides you’re just better to go buy a new grafted one. So they say.

My big problem is with the rootstock. I’d rather select from good seed and select from good seedlings.

I was stripping off growth from below the graft of my passionfruit plant the other day. AFAIK the grafted ones are so that they grow in cooler climates. You shouldn’t need it if you are up north (sorry buffy, I can’t remember where you are.)

They still sell grafted ones up here. We have grown seedlings ourselves with success though.

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Date: 30/10/2011 20:04:34
From: roughbarked
ID: 140976
Subject: re: Passionfruit

pomolo said:


bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

My big problem is with the rootstock. I’d rather select from good seed and select from good seedlings.

I was stripping off growth from below the graft of my passionfruit plant the other day. AFAIK the grafted ones are so that they grow in cooler climates. You shouldn’t need it if you are up north (sorry buffy, I can’t remember where you are.)

They still sell grafted ones up here. We have grown seedlings ourselves with success though.

The main reason for grafting, apart from using a strong rootstock, is to clone(copy) a known good fruit producing cultivar. Seedlings may produce numerous plants that either under perform or indeed in some cases out perform.

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Date: 30/10/2011 21:18:42
From: buffy
ID: 140994
Subject: re: Passionfruit

So there is no real reason a cutting, should it work, would not fruit. It’s effectively cloning.

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Date: 30/10/2011 21:30:37
From: bluegreen
ID: 140995
Subject: re: Passionfruit

buffy said:

So there is no real reason a cutting, should it work, would not fruit. It’s effectively cloning.

if the cutting grows it should bear fruit for you.

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Date: 30/10/2011 22:36:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 140998
Subject: re: Passionfruit

bluegreen said:


buffy said:

So there is no real reason a cutting, should it work, would not fruit. It’s effectively cloning.

if the cutting grows it should bear fruit for you.

All correct. Apart from the roots. The reason for grafting may well still be that a drought/frost/disease/waterlogging resistant rootstock is more suitable. However, I still recall an old nurseryman from a long established family nursery business who told me that the whole issue of grafted ‘Nellie Kelly” was just marketing of the clone. That seed selected from good fruit will perform as well. I’m going to graft mine but I’ll take my grafting wood from a known performer and graft it onto the seedling I have growing well and fruiting but the fruit is always lacking in good quality pulp.
The common rootsock is the wild banana passionfruit Passiflora mollissima which though it fowers well in southern climes, never sets fruit in temperate climates. However it is prone to suckering and usually overtakes the grafted scion, unless a tight rein is kept on the growth of suckers.
I often wonder why such as the native passionfruits are not used as rootsocks. It would seem to make more sense. Both, Passiflora cinnabarina and Passiflora herbertiana (yellow flowers) are native to the south coast of NSW though the latter only grows north of Narooma.

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Date: 31/10/2011 00:49:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 140999
Subject: re: Passionfruit

Passiflora herbertiana

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Date: 31/10/2011 07:18:51
From: Happy Potter
ID: 141001
Subject: re: Passionfruit

I’m told my passionfruit probably wont fruit well because I have it on a west facing fence and it needs morning sun to warm it to fruit. That makes sense, but as it’s already growing and I don’t want to move it, and not sure to where anyway, I’m going to leave it and see how it goes.

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Date: 31/10/2011 08:24:19
From: buffy
ID: 141002
Subject: re: Passionfruit

My present one is on a frame right next to a huge gum tree. It has taken about 8 years to get around to fruiting. But it has always looked lush. I suspect planting it in a drought was not so wise, but I did plant it where it is because it gets the runoff from the (Very) big neighbour’s shed. My ferns are also in that corner of the yard. And haven’t they gone gangbusters since the drought broke!

I am still amazed at how everything goes so much better with real water!!!

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Date: 31/10/2011 10:05:06
From: bluegreen
ID: 141004
Subject: re: Passionfruit

I didn’t know there was a native passionfruit RB, and such a pretty one as well.

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Date: 31/10/2011 15:49:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 141007
Subject: re: Passionfruit

bluegreen said:


I didn’t know there was a native passionfruit RB, and such a pretty one as well.

There are three natives, the otheris a more tropical species.

The west facing fence.. My Father in law had one on a north south fence.. the west side was his side of th fence the east his neighbours. The vine fruited equally well bothh west and east sides.

Yes, they love a good supply of water but are rather drought hardy. They do need good water to fruit well though.

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Date: 5/11/2011 10:12:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 141189
Subject: re: Passionfruit

Passifloras may be propagated either by cuttings or seeds. They may be rooted from young growth taken any time from the middle of January until April. These cuttings are placed in a warm propagating-bed, and kept shaded and moist, and in a short tune they will root; they are also inserted in small pots in a mixture of loam, peat, and sand, in equal parts, and plunged in the propagating-bed. When rooted, the cuttings are potted off, using a compost of loam four parts, leaf-mold two parts, well-rotted cow-manure one part, and which should contain enough sand to keep it porous. Keep shaded until they become well established, when they may be given a place well up to the glass in full sun. The passifloras are also readily raised from seed sown in spring, and the plants potted off as soon as big enough.

The plants will stand a night temperature of 65° to 70°: this can be increased until it reaches 80°F to 85°F for a day temperature with sun. Give ventilation daily, taking into account the state of the weather; while they like plenty of heat, they will not do well in a stagnant atmosphere; therefore, give air on all favorable occasions. Every morning in bright weather, give them a good syringing, as this is a great aid in keeping them in vigor and supplying the desired atmospheric moisture, but this does not mean a very humid atmosphere. By pinching, the plants are made to produce several growths. These plants can be shifted until they are in 10- or 12-inch pots. The growth may be trained on pillars or along rafters of the conservatory.

When planted out in about 8 or 10 inches of soil, passifloras will cover a very large space, but sometimes to such an extent as to obscure the whole glass. The best place is on a back wall in some house where they may ramble at will. Keep well syringed until they how flower, when syringing should be discontinued until they are through blooming. After the plants have covered the position allotted to them, all that is required is the regulation of the young growth, so as to keep them from becoming entangled. In winter they may be cut back and the exhausted soil replaced by good rich compost. They will not need a high temperature, doing well in 55°F to 60°F at night. When they start off into growth again, keep raising the temperature until it has reached the figures already stated. They may now be given manure water regularly and throughout the growing season. Keep down thrip, red-spider, and mealy-bug by syringing and sponging.

The edible-fruited passifloras.

The principal species of Passiflora that are cultivated for their fruits in tropical and subtropical regions are P. quadrangularis, the granadilla, granadilla real of Costa Rica, barbadine of the French colonies, pasion- aria of Cuba, maracuja melao of Brazil; P. edulis, also called granadilla, as well as passion-fruit; and P. laurifolia, the water-lemon of the British West Indies, pomme-liane of the French colonies. While P. quad-rangularis is a common garden plant in tropical America, it is not so extensively grown in any region as is P. edulis in Australia. In the United States these species can be grown only in the warmest regions; in California P. edulis is the only one that is successfully cultivated in the open, the other two species being much more susceptible to frost; in south Florida all three can be grown, although the tropical species are sometimes injured by frost.

The true granadilla (P. quadrangularis) is a strong rapid-growing climber, frequently planted for ornament in tropical regions and allowed to cover arbors and pergolas. Its brownish yellow ovoid fruits are sometimes 8 inches in length, and within the thin brittle pericarp is a large number of small flattened seeds surrounded by gelatinous pulp and subacid juice. When green, they are sometimes boiled and used as a vegetable; when ripe, the acidulous pulp is refreshing, and is used to prepare cooling drinks, or is eaten with a spoon directly from the fruit.

The passion-fruit (P. edulis) is considerably smaller than the granadilla, rarely larger than a hen’s egg, and dull purple when ripe. Its pulp is slightly more acid than that of the granadilla, but of very pleasant flavor, and highly esteemed in Queensland and New South Wales, where the plant is cultivated commercially. It is used for flavoring sherbets, for confectionery, for icing cakes, for “trifles,“—a dish composed of sponge cake, fruits, cream, and white of egg,—for jams, and for other table purposes. The pulp is also eaten directly from the fruit, after adding a little sugar, or is used to prepare a refreshing drink, by beating it up in a glass of ice-water and adding a pinch of bicarbonate of soda. The plants are grown on trellises about 6 feet high; at the top of the trellis is nailed a crosspiece 18 inches long, from the ends of which are run two wires, the long branches being allowed to hang down over these to the ground. The rows are placed 15 feet apart, with the vines 15 feet apart in the row_. The young plants must be protected in regions subject to frost: they begin bearing the second year, sometimes producing a few fruits the first season, and continue in profitable production four to six years, when they must be renewed. By proper pruning, two crops a year can be secured, in regions not subject to frost. The most suitable soil seems to be sandy loam, although other soils will grow the plant successfully. Manure should be supplied liberally. In Australia, the profits of passion-fruit culture are reported to run from $100 to $300 an acre annually. Because of the short life of the vines, they are often planted as a catch-crop in young orchards which have not yet come into bearing. Like P. quadrangularis, this species is often grown as an ornamental plant, and makes an excellent and rapid-growing cover for fences and trellises.

The passifloras are easily propagated by seeds or cuttings, the latter method being preferable in most cases. Seeds should be removed from the fruit, dried in a shady place, and planted in flats of light soil. They do not germinate very quickly, but the young plants are easily raised, and may be set out in the open ground when six months to a year old. Cuttings should be taken from fairly well-matured shoots, and should be about 6 inches in length. They are easily rooted in sand, no bottom heat being required. Cuttings of P. edulis will often fruit in pots at the age of one to two years, and form very interesting greenhouse plants. While this species usually fruits prolifically, P. quad- rangularis sometimes requires hand-pollination when grown outside its native habitat.

Exerpted from

Passionfruit Virus
At the end of the growing season after production of a bountiful crop, passionfruit vines can look tired and in need of a well-earned rest. In some cases, vines will show characteristic mosaic leaf yellowing that indicates presence of a virus disease. Such diseases are often present in plants from an early age, but only begin to gain the upper hand when the vine is occupied with fruit production or stressed in some way. Affected vines may continue to grow, flower and fruit in coming seasons, but will always lack vigour. Unfortunately there is no cure for virus affected plants. Given their rapid growth rate, high productivity and short lifespan, passionfruit vines are best replaced every few years.

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Date: 5/11/2011 10:15:01
From: Happy Potter
ID: 141190
Subject: re: Passionfruit

What he said

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Date: 5/11/2011 10:19:46
From: bluegreen
ID: 141192
Subject: re: Passionfruit

maybe I should replace it as I really expected it to be doing better than it is.

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Date: 5/11/2011 10:21:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 141193
Subject: re: Passionfruit

Happy Potter said:


What he said

:)

this roughbarked self observation may also be of interest. Suckers from the rootstocks of grafted passionfruit may pop up several metres away from the main plant. this indicates that of course, the roots span a far larger area than is usually watered by irrigation. On cracking soils, dry times can sever the majority of the feeder roots from the main root system.
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Date: 5/11/2011 10:22:52
From: roughbarked
ID: 141194
Subject: re: Passionfruit

bluegreen said:


maybe I should replace it as I really expected it to be doing better than it is.

water it with liquid manure all over the feeding root area.. They are urface feeders so mulch a large area under them.

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Date: 5/11/2011 10:30:45
From: bluegreen
ID: 141195
Subject: re: Passionfruit

roughbarked said:


bluegreen said:

maybe I should replace it as I really expected it to be doing better than it is.

water it with liquid manure all over the feeding root area.. They are urface feeders so mulch a large area under them.

OK. I’ll give that a go first. Thanks.

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Date: 5/11/2011 10:40:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 141196
Subject: re: Passionfruit

bluegreen said:


roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

maybe I should replace it as I really expected it to be doing better than it is.

water it with liquid manure all over the feeding root area.. They are urface feeders so mulch a large area under them.

OK. I’ll give that a go first. Thanks.

Also.. read this

Passionfruit Virus
At the end of the growing season after production of a bountiful crop, passionfruit vines can look tired and in need of a well-earned rest. In some cases, vines will show characteristic mosaic leaf yellowing that indicates presence of a virus disease. Such diseases are often present in plants from an early age, but only begin to gain the upper hand when the vine is occupied with fruit production or stressed in some way. Affected vines may continue to grow, flower and fruit in coming seasons, but will always lack vigour. Unfortunately there is no cure for virus affected plants. Given their rapid growth rate, high productivity and short lifespan, passionfruit vines are best replaced every few years.

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Date: 5/11/2011 10:42:36
From: bluegreen
ID: 141197
Subject: re: Passionfruit

roughbarked said:


bluegreen said:

roughbarked said:

water it with liquid manure all over the feeding root area.. They are urface feeders so mulch a large area under them.

OK. I’ll give that a go first. Thanks.

Also.. read this

Passionfruit Virus
At the end of the growing season after production of a bountiful crop, passionfruit vines can look tired and in need of a well-earned rest. In some cases, vines will show characteristic mosaic leaf yellowing that indicates presence of a virus disease. Such diseases are often present in plants from an early age, but only begin to gain the upper hand when the vine is occupied with fruit production or stressed in some way. Affected vines may continue to grow, flower and fruit in coming seasons, but will always lack vigour. Unfortunately there is no cure for virus affected plants. Given their rapid growth rate, high productivity and short lifespan, passionfruit vines are best replaced every few years.

mine doesn’t look yellowish like that.

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Date: 5/11/2011 10:43:53
From: roughbarked
ID: 141198
Subject: re: Passionfruit

bluegreen said:


roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

OK. I’ll give that a go first. Thanks.

Also.. read this

Passionfruit Virus
At the end of the growing season after production of a bountiful crop, passionfruit vines can look tired and in need of a well-earned rest. In some cases, vines will show characteristic mosaic leaf yellowing that indicates presence of a virus disease. Such diseases are often present in plants from an early age, but only begin to gain the upper hand when the vine is occupied with fruit production or stressed in some way. Affected vines may continue to grow, flower and fruit in coming seasons, but will always lack vigour. Unfortunately there is no cure for virus affected plants. Given their rapid growth rate, high productivity and short lifespan, passionfruit vines are best replaced every few years.

mine doesn’t look yellowish like that.

That would be good then, on the scale of eliminations.

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Date: 5/11/2011 13:27:34
From: pain master
ID: 141206
Subject: re: Passionfruit

bluegreen said:


roughbarked said:

bluegreen said:

OK. I’ll give that a go first. Thanks.

Also.. read this

Passionfruit Virus
At the end of the growing season after production of a bountiful crop, passionfruit vines can look tired and in need of a well-earned rest. In some cases, vines will show characteristic mosaic leaf yellowing that indicates presence of a virus disease. Such diseases are often present in plants from an early age, but only begin to gain the upper hand when the vine is occupied with fruit production or stressed in some way. Affected vines may continue to grow, flower and fruit in coming seasons, but will always lack vigour. Unfortunately there is no cure for virus affected plants. Given their rapid growth rate, high productivity and short lifespan, passionfruit vines are best replaced every few years.

mine doesn’t look yellowish like that.

ditto

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