Date: 24/07/2018 10:39:37
From: Cymek
ID: 1255359
Subject: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

How hard would it be to make a machine (portable if possible or even build into a phone) that could analyse a smell/odour and tell you what it is, what it’s made up off,it’s source and even lead you to it.

Could you say mass clone a dogs nose attach it to your phone and design an app around it with built in etiquette protocols so it doesn’t try to lead you to smelling peoples bottoms and/or crotches

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Date: 24/07/2018 10:41:21
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1255362
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Cymek said:


‘…with built in etiquette protocols so it doesn’t try to lead you to smelling peoples bottoms and/or crotches’

Well, there’s all the fun engineered out of it.

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Date: 24/07/2018 10:43:10
From: Cymek
ID: 1255364
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

captain_spalding said:


Cymek said:

‘…with built in etiquette protocols so it doesn’t try to lead you to smelling peoples bottoms and/or crotches’

Well, there’s all the fun engineered out of it.

How about it’s an option to switch on or off

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Date: 24/07/2018 10:58:25
From: Arts
ID: 1255370
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

a gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer can be used to analyse scents.. has been tested in forensics for perfume analysis from clothing exhibits.

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Date: 24/07/2018 11:03:54
From: Cymek
ID: 1255374
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Arts said:


a gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer can be used to analyse scents.. has been tested in forensics for perfume analysis from clothing exhibits.

Could it be made portable and analyse it in real time I wonder.
Seems smells are the one sense that a biological life form is better at detecting (go doggies) or at least they can’t be far surpassed by a machine that I know of.

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Date: 24/07/2018 11:12:06
From: Arts
ID: 1255377
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Cymek said:


Arts said:

a gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer can be used to analyse scents.. has been tested in forensics for perfume analysis from clothing exhibits.

Could it be made portable and analyse it in real time I wonder.
Seems smells are the one sense that a biological life form is better at detecting (go doggies) or at least they can’t be far surpassed by a machine that I know of.

a dog can’t tell you what the chemical makeup is, the GC can.

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Date: 24/07/2018 11:22:42
From: Cymek
ID: 1255380
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Arts said:


Cymek said:

Arts said:

a gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer can be used to analyse scents.. has been tested in forensics for perfume analysis from clothing exhibits.

Could it be made portable and analyse it in real time I wonder.
Seems smells are the one sense that a biological life form is better at detecting (go doggies) or at least they can’t be far surpassed by a machine that I know of.

a dog can’t tell you what the chemical makeup is, the GC can.

That is true, a combination of the both, a dog can detect a smell in real time and trace it to its source (usually) but not tell you what it is unless trained to recognise the smell (eg illegal drugs)
Can a machine detect a smell and trace its source as easily as a dog.
They had Mythbusters try to fool dogs and it didn’t work both with drug detection and avoiding a mythhunt

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Date: 24/07/2018 11:24:09
From: captain_spalding
ID: 1255381
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Cymek said:

They had Mythbusters try to fool dogs and it didn’t work both with drug detection and avoiding a mythhunt

That bloodhound was astonishing.

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Date: 24/07/2018 11:26:53
From: Cymek
ID: 1255383
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

captain_spalding said:


Cymek said:

They had Mythbusters try to fool dogs and it didn’t work both with drug detection and avoiding a mythhunt

That bloodhound was astonishing.

Yes

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Date: 24/07/2018 11:30:37
From: Arts
ID: 1255384
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Cymek said:


Arts said:

Cymek said:

Could it be made portable and analyse it in real time I wonder.
Seems smells are the one sense that a biological life form is better at detecting (go doggies) or at least they can’t be far surpassed by a machine that I know of.

a dog can’t tell you what the chemical makeup is, the GC can.

Can a machine detect a smell and trace its source as easily as a dog.

the machine that detects is the dog/human (the human more using applied knowledge to suspect a trace would be on a sample) the GC can only detect what you put in it. There was talk a while back about canning and analysing odour – as in taking an air sample at a closed crime scene and trying to analyse residual body odour.. but I havne’t heard nor read anything more about it.. I suspect that is very difficult to do and also very difficult to prove actual presence as opposed to ‘walking by when there was a strong wind’

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Date: 24/07/2018 11:33:05
From: Cymek
ID: 1255385
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Arts said:


Cymek said:

Arts said:

a dog can’t tell you what the chemical makeup is, the GC can.

Can a machine detect a smell and trace its source as easily as a dog.

the machine that detects is the dog/human (the human more using applied knowledge to suspect a trace would be on a sample) the GC can only detect what you put in it. There was talk a while back about canning and analysing odour – as in taking an air sample at a closed crime scene and trying to analyse residual body odour.. but I havne’t heard nor read anything more about it.. I suspect that is very difficult to do and also very difficult to prove actual presence as opposed to ‘walking by when there was a strong wind’

New “Fart In A Jar” prank your friends and family

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Date: 24/07/2018 11:37:42
From: Arts
ID: 1255386
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

I suspect we’ll have to wait until the year 3000

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Date: 24/07/2018 12:28:50
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1255406
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Arts said:


a gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer can be used to analyse scents.. has been tested in forensics for perfume analysis from clothing exhibits.

^ this. This is how scienticians can replicate the smells of meat frying or freshly mown grass.

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Date: 24/07/2018 14:34:18
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1255475
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Divine Angel said:


Arts said:

a gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer can be used to analyse scents.. has been tested in forensics for perfume analysis from clothing exhibits.

^ this. This is how scienticians can replicate the smells of meat frying or freshly mown grass.

Or chocolate in a plastic.

There was an episode of “dirty jobs” … This one.
“Discovery Channel’s Dirty Jobs uses Microanalytics™ AromaTrax® technology to get to the bottom of diaper odors”.

I’ve never heard of a portable gas spectrometer, or a fast one for that matter. It’s a great idea. Let’s see what’s for sale on the web.

“AromaTrax system which combines multidimensional gas chromatography with a state-of-the-art olfactory detector and a practical reporting system … There are no hand- held odor detectors. There are no electronic noses that detect odors. There are hand-held detectors for some individual target volatile compounds (such as explosives) and some of these compounds may have odors”.

https://www.vernier.com/products/sensors/gc2-mini/

Size 1.3 kg, 10.8 cm x 13.3 cm x 19.1 cm, can detect odours directly from the air, but easier if the odours are in a concentrated form.

Takes 15 minutes (give or take 5 minutes) to come up with a result.

Price $3,000 USD.

Cymek said:


How hard would it be to make a machine (portable if possible or even build into a phone) that could analyse a smell/odour and tell you what it is, what it’s made up off, it’s source and even lead you to it.

Could you say mass clone a dogs nose attach it to your phone and design an app around it with built in etiquette protocols so it doesn’t try to lead you to smelling peoples bottoms and/or crotches

But let’s see, I wonder if you could make something that is smaller, lighter and easier to use. Like a pregnancy test kit. this would detect a much smaller range of smells, perhaps up to 10,000 smells, but be optimised for the smells you’re looking for.

Or like an explosives test kit. “The use of colorimetric test kits for explosive detection is one of the oldest, simplest, and most widely used methods for the detection of explosives. Colorimetric detection of explosives involves applying a chemical reagent to an unknown material or sample and observing a color reaction.”

Then there’s the “lab on a chip” option. Also known as µTAS “micro total analysis systems”. This is also used for DNA testing and there are proposals to use it for detecting AIDS. This technology is still in its infancy.

Hold on, there’s this. https://www.odormonitor.com/

Handheld Odor Meter. 3 models are available in various situations.

No, that’s a start but it’s not good enough. It only detects a single composite smell, “OMX cannot identify and designate the types of gas contained in the odor. There is no correlation between the indicated value by OMX and human sense of smell. The ingrained cigarette smell in a room is usually low gas concentration and it’s difficult to detect by OMX in some cases even though human nose may smell it”. Start-up time is 2 minutes or 10 minutes, depending on model.

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Date: 24/07/2018 14:45:57
From: Cymek
ID: 1255477
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

The biological machinery for smells detection and identification seems to be far superior to any technology, is it the one sense we are unlikely to replace with a machine any time soon and does the need even exist

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Date: 24/07/2018 17:45:36
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1255539
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

Cymek said:


The biological machinery for smells detection and identification seems to be far superior to any technology, is it the one sense we are unlikely to replace with a machine any time soon and does the need even exist

If someone smart does the lab on a chip thing, the technology could be here soonish.

Yes there is definitely a need.

How about this idea? Proteins interact with small molecules by lock and key mechanism. So put 10,000 different proteins on a chip and record changes on protein shape either by colour change detected by photosensitive, or directly by change on electrical properties.

For the first experiment you could even use random proteins and calibrate the result using a wide selection of smelly chemicals.

Or simply miniaturise a one or two axis chromatograph.

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Date: 24/07/2018 17:59:50
From: Cymek
ID: 1255542
Subject: re: Smell/Odour Detecting Machine

mollwollfumble said:


Cymek said:

The biological machinery for smells detection and identification seems to be far superior to any technology, is it the one sense we are unlikely to replace with a machine any time soon and does the need even exist

If someone smart does the lab on a chip thing, the technology could be here soonish.

Yes there is definitely a need.

How about this idea? Proteins interact with small molecules by lock and key mechanism. So put 10,000 different proteins on a chip and record changes on protein shape either by colour change detected by photosensitive, or directly by change on electrical properties.

For the first experiment you could even use random proteins and calibrate the result using a wide selection of smelly chemicals.

Or simply miniaturise a one or two axis chromatograph.

Sound good

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