Date: 26/07/2018 00:39:39
From: Arts
ID: 1256063
Subject: Liquid Mars

https://www.sciencealert.com/vast-liquid-water-reservoir-found-on-mars-radar-planum-australe-subglacial-lake

We finally know where all that Martian water has been hiding!

This latest epic discovery was achieved using a radar instrument on a Mars orbiter, with Italian scientists finding a huge liquid reservoir hidden 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) under the southern polar ice cap, extending 20 kilometres (12.4 miles) across.

The researchers say it’s a lot like the subglacial lakes trapped beneath the ice of the Arctic and Antarctica here on Earth. And, like our terrestrial subglacial lakes, it might be where we find surprising life.

etc

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Date: 26/07/2018 00:40:39
From: sibeen
ID: 1256065
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

Arts said:


https://www.sciencealert.com/vast-liquid-water-reservoir-found-on-mars-radar-planum-australe-subglacial-lake

We finally know where all that Martian water has been hiding!

This latest epic discovery was achieved using a radar instrument on a Mars orbiter, with Italian scientists finding a huge liquid reservoir hidden 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) under the southern polar ice cap, extending 20 kilometres (12.4 miles) across.

The researchers say it’s a lot like the subglacial lakes trapped beneath the ice of the Arctic and Antarctica here on Earth. And, like our terrestrial subglacial lakes, it might be where we find surprising life.

etc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-26/vast-liquid-lake-found-under-mars-south-polar-ice-cap/10030264

Was just reading that on out ABC.

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Date: 26/07/2018 00:44:32
From: Arts
ID: 1256067
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

sibeen said:


Arts said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/vast-liquid-water-reservoir-found-on-mars-radar-planum-australe-subglacial-lake

We finally know where all that Martian water has been hiding!

This latest epic discovery was achieved using a radar instrument on a Mars orbiter, with Italian scientists finding a huge liquid reservoir hidden 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) under the southern polar ice cap, extending 20 kilometres (12.4 miles) across.

The researchers say it’s a lot like the subglacial lakes trapped beneath the ice of the Arctic and Antarctica here on Earth. And, like our terrestrial subglacial lakes, it might be where we find surprising life.

etc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-26/vast-liquid-lake-found-under-mars-south-polar-ice-cap/10030264

Was just reading that on out ABC.

Elon might have a use for that sub after all

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Date: 26/07/2018 00:46:49
From: sibeen
ID: 1256068
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

Arts said:


sibeen said:

Arts said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/vast-liquid-water-reservoir-found-on-mars-radar-planum-australe-subglacial-lake

We finally know where all that Martian water has been hiding!

This latest epic discovery was achieved using a radar instrument on a Mars orbiter, with Italian scientists finding a huge liquid reservoir hidden 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) under the southern polar ice cap, extending 20 kilometres (12.4 miles) across.

The researchers say it’s a lot like the subglacial lakes trapped beneath the ice of the Arctic and Antarctica here on Earth. And, like our terrestrial subglacial lakes, it might be where we find surprising life.

etc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-26/vast-liquid-lake-found-under-mars-south-polar-ice-cap/10030264

Was just reading that on out ABC.

Elon might have a use for that sub after all

Nah, he can still shove it up his arse.

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Date: 26/07/2018 00:48:15
From: party_pants
ID: 1256069
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

Arts said:


sibeen said:

Arts said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/vast-liquid-water-reservoir-found-on-mars-radar-planum-australe-subglacial-lake

We finally know where all that Martian water has been hiding!

This latest epic discovery was achieved using a radar instrument on a Mars orbiter, with Italian scientists finding a huge liquid reservoir hidden 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) under the southern polar ice cap, extending 20 kilometres (12.4 miles) across.

The researchers say it’s a lot like the subglacial lakes trapped beneath the ice of the Arctic and Antarctica here on Earth. And, like our terrestrial subglacial lakes, it might be where we find surprising life.

etc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-26/vast-liquid-lake-found-under-mars-south-polar-ice-cap/10030264

Was just reading that on out ABC.

Elon might have a use for that sub after all

I hope he used enough lube to extract it smoothly.

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Date: 26/07/2018 02:44:03
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1256081
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

sibeen said:


Arts said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/vast-liquid-water-reservoir-found-on-mars-radar-planum-australe-subglacial-lake

We finally know where all that Martian water has been hiding!

This latest epic discovery was achieved using a radar instrument on a Mars orbiter, with Italian scientists finding a huge liquid reservoir hidden 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) under the southern polar ice cap, extending 20 kilometres (12.4 miles) across.

The researchers say it’s a lot like the subglacial lakes trapped beneath the ice of the Arctic and Antarctica here on Earth. And, like our terrestrial subglacial lakes, it might be where we find surprising life.

etc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-26/vast-liquid-lake-found-under-mars-south-polar-ice-cap/10030264

Was just reading that on out ABC.

OK OK, mollwollfumble admits defeat. There is liquid water on Mars after all. Absolutely positively 100% certain. Does or does this not make it the smallest liquid water ocean in the solar system? The following chart gives the sizes of salt water oceans on different solar system bodies, where there are two estimates, the smallest and largest are given. Up until now, Enceladus has the smallest ocean in the solar system.

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Date: 26/07/2018 10:26:05
From: Cymek
ID: 1256152
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

This latest epic discovery was achieved using a radar instrument on a Mars orbiter, with Italian scientists finding a huge liquid reservoir hidden 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) under the southern polar ice cap, extending 20 kilometres (12.4 miles) across.

Lack of atmosphere, temperature, etc aside would it be easier or harder to drill that depth on Mars than Earth.
Would it be similar to drilling ice cores or would be expect the ice to be harder due to much lower temperatures

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Date: 26/07/2018 10:51:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1256167
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

mollwollfumble said:


sibeen said:

Arts said:

https://www.sciencealert.com/vast-liquid-water-reservoir-found-on-mars-radar-planum-australe-subglacial-lake

We finally know where all that Martian water has been hiding!

This latest epic discovery was achieved using a radar instrument on a Mars orbiter, with Italian scientists finding a huge liquid reservoir hidden 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) under the southern polar ice cap, extending 20 kilometres (12.4 miles) across.

The researchers say it’s a lot like the subglacial lakes trapped beneath the ice of the Arctic and Antarctica here on Earth. And, like our terrestrial subglacial lakes, it might be where we find surprising life.

etc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-26/vast-liquid-lake-found-under-mars-south-polar-ice-cap/10030264

Was just reading that on out ABC.

OK OK, mollwollfumble admits defeat. There is liquid water on Mars after all. Absolutely positively 100% certain. Does or does this not make it the smallest liquid water ocean in the solar system? The following chart gives the sizes of salt water oceans on different solar system bodies, where there are two estimates, the smallest and largest are given. Up until now, Enceladus has the smallest ocean in the solar system.


It could be liquid water, it could be sludge. And at best it’s a lake, not an ocean.

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Date: 26/07/2018 10:59:31
From: Cymek
ID: 1256170
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

Bubblecar said:


mollwollfumble said:

sibeen said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-26/vast-liquid-lake-found-under-mars-south-polar-ice-cap/10030264

Was just reading that on out ABC.

OK OK, mollwollfumble admits defeat. There is liquid water on Mars after all. Absolutely positively 100% certain. Does or does this not make it the smallest liquid water ocean in the solar system? The following chart gives the sizes of salt water oceans on different solar system bodies, where there are two estimates, the smallest and largest are given. Up until now, Enceladus has the smallest ocean in the solar system.


It could be liquid water, it could be sludge. And at best it’s a lake, not an ocean.

With so much water available it would make future colonisation easier than if we had to bring it with us.
I’d assume if we were going to build bases or colony’s we’d have solutions to accessing this water

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Date: 26/07/2018 12:22:32
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1256251
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

Arts said:


https://www.sciencealert.com/vast-liquid-water-reservoir-found-on-mars-radar-planum-australe-subglacial-lake

We finally know where all that Martian water has been hiding!

This latest epic discovery was achieved using a radar instrument on a Mars orbiter, with Italian scientists finding a huge liquid reservoir hidden 1.5 kilometres (0.93 miles) under the southern polar ice cap, extending 20 kilometres (12.4 miles) across.

The researchers say it’s a lot like the subglacial lakes trapped beneath the ice of the Arctic and Antarctica here on Earth. And, like our terrestrial subglacial lakes, it might be where we find surprising life.

etc

It was between May 2012 and December 2015 that the research team seriously investigated a 200-kilometre-wide section of the southern ice cap, in a location called the Planum Australe.

They took 29 radar profiles of the region, bouncing radio waves deep beneath the surface of Mars, and collecting the return signal on a receiver.

It’s by measuring changes between the transmitted signal and what returns that scientists study subsurface features. Radar returning through water is returned more strongly, or ‘brightly’, than radar returning through rock or sediment.

This is what the research team found in their radar results: an anomalously bright region in the Planum Australe.

Other explanations, such as very cold and pure water ice, or carbon dioxide ice, could also explain a brightly reflective subsurface anomaly like this, but the research team ran simulations and found that the reflectivity profile did not match their results as well as liquid water.

But there’s one other big problem: the temperature of the body is estimated to sit at around 205 Kelvin (-68.15 Celsius, or -90.67 Fahrenheit).

That’s cold, even for high pressure salty water.

Showing the high radar reflection of the bottom of the ice cap.

Showing the triangular shape of lake.

This is quite a small lake. 15 km across. 150 m deep.

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Date: 26/07/2018 19:01:50
From: roughbarked
ID: 1256541
Subject: re: Liquid Mars

mollwollfumble said:

This is quite a small lake. 15 km across. 150 m deep.

That’s where Atlantis went to?

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