But why not introduce rhinos to Australia? Before you laugh out loud, …
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-20/the-case-for-introducing-rhinos-to-australia/10018118
Reasons:
Number 1. Australia has fewer poachers than countries where rhinos are found.
Number 2. Rhinos need large unfenced areas away from high population densities.
Number 3. Food.
Number 4. Diprotodon.
I am not against the idea. But I think we still need to fence them off. Perhaps a really large area like a whole cattle station.
why would we laugh out loud this has been discussed for a long time.. even on this forum..
mollwollfumble said:
bullshit. We simply don’t have Rhinos.
But why not introduce rhinos to Australia? Before you laugh out loud, …http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-20/the-case-for-introducing-rhinos-to-australia/10018118
Reasons:
Number 1. Australia has fewer poachers than countries where rhinos are found.
If we had Rhinos, the same cunts of people live here awaiting the bonanza.
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:bullshit. We simply don’t have Rhinos.
But why not introduce rhinos to Australia? Before you laugh out loud, …http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-20/the-case-for-introducing-rhinos-to-australia/10018118
Reasons:
Number 1. Australia has fewer poachers than countries where rhinos are found.If we had Rhinos, the same cunts of people live here awaiting the bonanza.
Roo shooters?
Need to find a way to grow the horns in a lab and flood the market making the worthless.
Or we could strap a midi gun to the rhinos and let them have some payback.
I
Cymek said:
Need to find a way to grow the horns in a lab and flood the market making the worthless.
Or we could strap a midi gun to the rhinos and let them have some payback.
I
Give ‘em something with some wallop to it:
2.75 in FFAR launchers:
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:bullshit. We simply don’t have Rhinos.
But why not introduce rhinos to Australia? Before you laugh out loud, …http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-20/the-case-for-introducing-rhinos-to-australia/10018118
Reasons:
Number 1. Australia has fewer poachers than countries where rhinos are found.If we had Rhinos, the same cunts of people live here awaiting the bonanza.
Roo shooters?
Shooters of any ilk. There’s a lot who used to make a living from it. Give thm Rhino’s they’ll do the same thing. I’d prefer a bounty put on cats.
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:bullshit. We simply don’t have Rhinos.If we had Rhinos, the same cunts of people live here awaiting the bonanza.
Roo shooters?
Shooters of any ilk. There’s a lot who used to make a living from it. Give thm Rhino’s they’ll do the same thing. I’d prefer a bounty put on cats.
Problem with that is they’d just kill pets rather than ferals
party_pants said:
I am not against the idea. But I think we still need to fence them off. Perhaps a really large area like a whole cattle station.
read the article it suggests just that
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:Roo shooters?
Shooters of any ilk. There’s a lot who used to make a living from it. Give thm Rhino’s they’ll do the same thing. I’d prefer a bounty put on cats.
Problem with that is they’d just kill pets rather than ferals
who cares? The pet cats have a large component of native animals in their diet despite getting plenty Whiskas.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:Shooters of any ilk. There’s a lot who used to make a living from it. Give thm Rhino’s they’ll do the same thing. I’d prefer a bounty put on cats.
Problem with that is they’d just kill pets rather than ferals
who cares? The pet cats have a large component of native animals in their diet despite getting plenty Whiskas.
I would, some people like cats and don’t wish them all dead for acting according to the their nature
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Problem with that is they’d just kill pets rather than ferals
who cares? The pet cats have a large component of native animals in their diet despite getting plenty Whiskas.
I would, some people like cats and don’t wish them all dead for acting according to the their nature
Anyone who doesn’t keep a cat restrained should be jailed.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Problem with that is they’d just kill pets rather than ferals
who cares? The pet cats have a large component of native animals in their diet despite getting plenty Whiskas.
I would, some people like cats and don’t wish them all dead for acting according to the their nature
If you want a cat to be acting according to its nature, take it back to Persia or wherever it came from. Go there and live with the cat if that’s the way you feel.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:who cares? The pet cats have a large component of native animals in their diet despite getting plenty Whiskas.
I would, some people like cats and don’t wish them all dead for acting according to the their nature
Anyone who doesn’t keep a cat restrained should be jailed.
Quite hypocritical wishing harm on some animals and not other isn’t it though.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:who cares? The pet cats have a large component of native animals in their diet despite getting plenty Whiskas.
I would, some people like cats and don’t wish them all dead for acting according to the their nature
If you want a cat to be acting according to its nature, take it back to Persia or wherever it came from. Go there and live with the cat if that’s the way you feel.
You do act like a FW sometimes
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:I would, some people like cats and don’t wish them all dead for acting according to the their nature
Anyone who doesn’t keep a cat restrained should be jailed.
Quite hypocritical wishing harm on some animals and not other isn’t it though.
As I said, they don’t belong here.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:I would, some people like cats and don’t wish them all dead for acting according to the their nature
If you want a cat to be acting according to its nature, take it back to Persia or wherever it came from. Go there and live with the cat if that’s the way you feel.
You do act like a FW sometimes
Sorry but it is what it is.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:Anyone who doesn’t keep a cat restrained should be jailed.
Quite hypocritical wishing harm on some animals and not other isn’t it though.
As I said, they don’t belong here.
Perhaps but most pets don’t, control the feral cats, but advocating killing of people pets isn’t on though.
Pet dogs kill people on occasion you could say they should be banned and killed as well.
Anyway bringing rhinos to Australia is a good idea to try and stop them going extinct, you could employ Aboriginals in communities to protect them. Problem I suppose anywhere is that if one rhino horn is worth the equivalent of weeks/months or work then people will kill them.
Would it be harder for poachers to make money off Rhino horns in Australia given our first world standards of policing and customs organisation?
Also there is no existing network of exotic animal parts from Australia to China for traditional medicine purposes as far as I know, so it might be hard to for a poacher to find a buyer. Not like you can just advertise it on Gumtree without alerting the authorities.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Quite hypocritical wishing harm on some animals and not other isn’t it though.
As I said, they don’t belong here.
Perhaps but most pets don’t, control the feral cats, but advocating killing of people pets isn’t on though.
Pet dogs kill people on occasion you could say they should be banned and killed as well.Anyway bringing rhinos to Australia is a good idea to try and stop them going extinct, you could employ Aboriginals in communities to protect them. Problem I suppose anywhere is that if one rhino horn is worth the equivalent of weeks/months or work then people will kill them.
Back in the 1970’s A survey was carried on on pet cats in Sydney. It showed thta no matter what, they ate just as much of birds and lizards as Whiskas. The cats need to be locked up or shot.
and yes. Changing the location of Rhinos won’t change a thing about their securitty.
party_pants said:
Would it be harder for poachers to make money off Rhino horns in Australia given our first world standards of policing and customs organisation?Also there is no existing network of exotic animal parts from Australia to China for traditional medicine purposes as far as I know, so it might be hard to for a poacher to find a buyer. Not like you can just advertise it on Gumtree without alerting the authorities.
I was reading that the Chinese don’t use it in traditional medicine
The Vietnamese are currently the biggest consumers of rhino horn, and their demand drives most of the poaching, which has risen to record levels. The “Vietnam CITES Management Authority” has claimed that Hanoi recently experienced a 77% drop in the usage of rhino horn, but National Geographic has challenged these claims, noticing that there was no rise in the numbers of criminals who were apprehended or prosecuted. South African rhino poaching’s main destination market is Vietnam. An average sized horn can bring in as much as a quarter of a million dollars in Vietnam and many rhino range states have stockpiles of rhino horn.
It is a common misconception that rhinoceros horn in powdered form is used as an aphrodisiac or a cure for cancer in Traditional Chinese Medicine as Cornu Rhinoceri Asiatici (犀角, xījiǎo, “rhinoceros horn”); no TCM text in history has ever mentioned such prescriptions. In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), rhino horn is considered an effective medicine sometimes prescribed for fevers and convulsions, a treatment not supported by evidence-based medicine and has been compared to consuming fingernail clippings in water. In 1993, China signed the CITES treaty and removed rhinoceros horn from the Chinese medicine pharmacopeia, administered by the Ministry of Health. In 2011, the Register of Chinese Herbal Medicine in the United Kingdom issued a formal statement condemning the use of rhinoceros horn. A growing number of TCM educators is also speaking out against the practice. Discussions with TCM practitioners to reduce the use of rhino horn, has met with mixed results, because some still believe that it is a life-saving medicine.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:As I said, they don’t belong here.
Perhaps but most pets don’t, control the feral cats, but advocating killing of people pets isn’t on though.
Pet dogs kill people on occasion you could say they should be banned and killed as well.Anyway bringing rhinos to Australia is a good idea to try and stop them going extinct, you could employ Aboriginals in communities to protect them. Problem I suppose anywhere is that if one rhino horn is worth the equivalent of weeks/months or work then people will kill them.
Back in the 1970’s A survey was carried on on pet cats in Sydney. It showed thta no matter what, they ate just as much of birds and lizards as Whiskas. The cats need to be locked up or shot.
and yes. Changing the location of Rhinos won’t change a thing about their securitty.
Populations separated by vast distances can’t make it worse though.
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
Would it be harder for poachers to make money off Rhino horns in Australia given our first world standards of policing and customs organisation?Also there is no existing network of exotic animal parts from Australia to China for traditional medicine purposes as far as I know, so it might be hard to for a poacher to find a buyer. Not like you can just advertise it on Gumtree without alerting the authorities.
I was reading that the Chinese don’t use it in traditional medicine
The Vietnamese are currently the biggest consumers of rhino horn, and their demand drives most of the poaching, which has risen to record levels. The “Vietnam CITES Management Authority” has claimed that Hanoi recently experienced a 77% drop in the usage of rhino horn, but National Geographic has challenged these claims, noticing that there was no rise in the numbers of criminals who were apprehended or prosecuted. South African rhino poaching’s main destination market is Vietnam. An average sized horn can bring in as much as a quarter of a million dollars in Vietnam and many rhino range states have stockpiles of rhino horn.
It is a common misconception that rhinoceros horn in powdered form is used as an aphrodisiac or a cure for cancer in Traditional Chinese Medicine as Cornu Rhinoceri Asiatici (犀角, xījiǎo, “rhinoceros horn”); no TCM text in history has ever mentioned such prescriptions. In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), rhino horn is considered an effective medicine sometimes prescribed for fevers and convulsions, a treatment not supported by evidence-based medicine and has been compared to consuming fingernail clippings in water. In 1993, China signed the CITES treaty and removed rhinoceros horn from the Chinese medicine pharmacopeia, administered by the Ministry of Health. In 2011, the Register of Chinese Herbal Medicine in the United Kingdom issued a formal statement condemning the use of rhinoceros horn. A growing number of TCM educators is also speaking out against the practice. Discussions with TCM practitioners to reduce the use of rhino horn, has met with mixed results, because some still believe that it is a life-saving medicine.
OK, is there already an established network between Australia and Vietnam for exotic animal parts?
party_pants said:
Would it be harder for poachers to make money off Rhino horns in Australia given our first world standards of policing and customs organisation?Also there is no existing network of exotic animal parts from Australia to China for traditional medicine purposes as far as I know, so it might be hard to for a poacher to find a buyer. Not like you can just advertise it on Gumtree without alerting the authorities.
Cut the horns off. They won’t require it against a predator in Australia, so get rid of the temptation.
Can’t help thinking of all the other times Australians have thought it would be a good idea to introduce an alien species into our native environments, and then been cursed by subsequent generations.
Bubblecar said:
Can’t help thinking of all the other times Australians have thought it would be a good idea to introduce an alien species into our native environments, and then been cursed by subsequent generations.
We should introduce Pacific Bluefin tuna too, before they all go extinct.
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4 hours later he came staggering and crawling back almost at deaths door, delirious from thirst and privation and said in a weak voice “your brother wont let me in without a tie”
Bubblecar said:
Can’t help thinking of all the other times Australians have thought it would be a good idea to introduce an alien species into our native environments, and then been cursed by subsequent generations.
Yep. We’ve been killing off all the feral donkeys, but suddenly China says they want them for their hides…..special valuable gelatin apparently. I wonder if a combined donkey and rhino farm would work….
party_pants said:
Bubblecar said:
Can’t help thinking of all the other times Australians have thought it would be a good idea to introduce an alien species into our native environments, and then been cursed by subsequent generations.
We should introduce Pacific Bluefin tuna too, before they all go extinct.
Kick out the koalas and replace them with pandas and orangutans.
Bubblecar said:
Can’t help thinking of all the other times Australians have thought it would be a good idea to introduce an alien species into our native environments, and then been cursed by subsequent generations.
At least they are less likely to run off into the bush and breed en masse.
Peak Warming Man said:
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4 hours later he came staggering and crawling back almost at deaths door, delirious from thirst and privation and said in a weak voice “your brother wont let me in without a tie”
Don’t tell us – the tie salesman had just sold his very last one to General Montgomery.
Rhinoceros horns, unlike those of other horned mammals, (which have a bony core), only consist of keratin, similar to human hair and nails.
So I wonder if you could grind up hair/nails and then use a 3d printer configured to print the way rhino horns grow and fool people.
How make checking goes into making sure they are real by the buyer I wonder would they pass a reasonable check, obviously not a DNA check
Sorry, Montgomery has no business in this thread.
Another way to undercut the rhinoceros horn market has been suggested by Matthew Markus of Pembient, a biotechnology firm. He proposes the synthesis of an artificial substitute for rhinoceros horn. To enable authorities to distinguish the bioengineered horn from real rhinoceros horn, the genetic code of the bioengineered horn could be registered, similar to the DNA of living rhinoceros in the RhODIS (Rhino DNA Index System). Initial responses from many conservationists were negative, but a 2016 report from TRAFFIC—which monitors trade in wildlife and animal parts—conceded that it “…would be rash to rule out the possibility that trade in synthetic rhinoceros horn could play a role in future conservation strategies.”
Strange conservatives would be against it.
Devaluing rhino horns might be one approach to stop them being poached.
ruby said:
I wonder if a combined donkey and rhino farm would work….
That’s all we need. Interbreeding, resulting in donkeys with bloody great horns on their heads.
Cymek said:
Rhinoceros horns, unlike those of other horned mammals, (which have a bony core), only consist of keratin, similar to human hair and nails.So I wonder if you could grind up hair/nails and then use a 3d printer configured to print the way rhino horns grow and fool people.
How make checking goes into making sure they are real by the buyer I wonder would they pass a reasonable check, obviously not a DNA check
We could just grind up all the hair from hairdressers around the country, and flog it as ‘powdered rhino horn’.
Peak Warming Man said:
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4 hours later he came staggering and crawling back almost at deaths door, delirious from thirst and privation and said in a weak voice “your brother wont let me in without a tie”
But surely the stereotypical Jewish person, being an astute businessperson, would have told the stereotypical Arab person that his brother would not let him in without a tie, and sold him the tie on the first visit, at an increased price.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
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4 hours later he came staggering and crawling back almost at deaths door, delirious from thirst and privation and said in a weak voice “your brother wont let me in without a tie”
But surely the stereotypical Jewish person, being an astute businessperson, would have told the stereotypical Arab person that his brother would not let him in without a tie, and sold him the tie on the first visit, at an increased price.
And now that he’s ever so much more thirsty than he was before, do you think he’ll balk at any price you care to name?
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Rhinoceros horns, unlike those of other horned mammals, (which have a bony core), only consist of keratin, similar to human hair and nails.So I wonder if you could grind up hair/nails and then use a 3d printer configured to print the way rhino horns grow and fool people.
How make checking goes into making sure they are real by the buyer I wonder would they pass a reasonable check, obviously not a DNA check
We could just grind up all the hair from hairdressers around the country, and flog it as ‘powdered rhino horn’.
Kind of yes, would you get a certificate of authenticity from the sellers of something illegal I imagine not.
Would they be tested by the buyers before the suitcase of cash is handed over and if its a fake does a fire fight ensure.
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Rhinoceros horns, unlike those of other horned mammals, (which have a bony core), only consist of keratin, similar to human hair and nails.So I wonder if you could grind up hair/nails and then use a 3d printer configured to print the way rhino horns grow and fool people.
How make checking goes into making sure they are real by the buyer I wonder would they pass a reasonable check, obviously not a DNA check
We could just grind up all the hair from hairdressers around the country, and flog it as ‘powdered rhino horn’.
Kind of yes, would you get a certificate of authenticity from the sellers of something illegal I imagine not.
Would they be tested by the buyers before the suitcase of cash is handed over and if its a fake does a fire fight ensure.
It’s not about fooling the dealers – it about fooling the end customer. If everyone along the route makes money, no-one is going to rock the boat.
get your ties and feral cats out of this thread.
party_pants said:
get your ties and feral cats out of this thread.
Sudden vision of feral cats wearing ties.
party_pants said:
get your ties and feral cats out of this thread.
Points at PWM
… he started it.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:We could just grind up all the hair from hairdressers around the country, and flog it as ‘powdered rhino horn’.
Kind of yes, would you get a certificate of authenticity from the sellers of something illegal I imagine not.
Would they be tested by the buyers before the suitcase of cash is handed over and if its a fake does a fire fight ensure.
It’s not about fooling the dealers – it about fooling the end customer. If everyone along the route makes money, no-one is going to rock the boat.
flooding the market with substitutes increases the price (and therefore increases the risks poachers will go) for authentic horn.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Kind of yes, would you get a certificate of authenticity from the sellers of something illegal I imagine not.
Would they be tested by the buyers before the suitcase of cash is handed over and if its a fake does a fire fight ensure.
It’s not about fooling the dealers – it about fooling the end customer. If everyone along the route makes money, no-one is going to rock the boat.
flooding the market with substitutes increases the price (and therefore increases the risks poachers will go) for authentic horn.
What if its almost impossible to tell the difference
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Can’t help thinking of all the other times Australians have thought it would be a good idea to introduce an alien species into our native environments, and then been cursed by subsequent generations.
At least they are less likely to run off into the bush and breed en masse.
also rhinos are vegetarians.. there is potential risk to plants (if they decide one is their absolute favourite), but probably not to fauna (they are pretty slow most of the time, and when they run fast they don’t run far – also they have terrible eyesight)
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Kind of yes, would you get a certificate of authenticity from the sellers of something illegal I imagine not.
Would they be tested by the buyers before the suitcase of cash is handed over and if its a fake does a fire fight ensure.
It’s not about fooling the dealers – it about fooling the end customer. If everyone along the route makes money, no-one is going to rock the boat.
flooding the market with substitutes increases the price (and therefore increases the risks poachers will go) for authentic horn.
And not flooding the market with substitutes preserves the rarity of the product in any form, keeping the price high.
Lose/lose.
You don’t have to flood the market. Be a bit discreet, just put enough out there to drive the price down to where it’s not worth shooting rhinos.
Cymek said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:It’s not about fooling the dealers – it about fooling the end customer. If everyone along the route makes money, no-one is going to rock the boat.
flooding the market with substitutes increases the price (and therefore increases the risks poachers will go) for authentic horn.
What if its almost impossible to tell the difference
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Cymek said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:It’s not about fooling the dealers – it about fooling the end customer. If everyone along the route makes money, no-one is going to rock the boat.
flooding the market with substitutes increases the price (and therefore increases the risks poachers will go) for authentic horn.
What if its almost impossible to tell the difference
by whom? the sophistication of the financial poachers is quite elaborate.. I think it’s already been mentioned that consumers, once knowledge is out there are more likely to invest more for less of the authentic product.
Scientists have also tried to colour the horns but it was found that consumers didn’t like them and it increased prices for the authentic uncoloured horn which made people rub their hands with glee.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Arts said:flooding the market with substitutes increases the price (and therefore increases the risks poachers will go) for authentic horn.
What if its almost impossible to tell the difference
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
I was just thinking you should be able to create a reasonable facsimile of a real horn using keratin.
Do the end users test it or do they assume it’s real, I mean it’s highly unlikely it actually does any useful so a fake might not even be detected. You could reinforce its authenticity by releasing useful fake news saying a number of rhinos were killed.
What we really need to do is to convince the markets for rhino horn that products made from rats, locusts, and bushflies/houseflies/blowflies are better than horn.
captain_spalding said:
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:It’s not about fooling the dealers – it about fooling the end customer. If everyone along the route makes money, no-one is going to rock the boat.
flooding the market with substitutes increases the price (and therefore increases the risks poachers will go) for authentic horn.
And not flooding the market with substitutes preserves the rarity of the product in any form, keeping the price high.
Lose/lose.
You don’t have to flood the market. Be a bit discreet, just put enough out there to drive the price down to where it’s not worth shooting rhinos.
Report in Poachers Weekly
“the availability of rhino horn has suddenly increased due to an incredible discovery of thousands of previously undiscovered rhinos that were hiding behind a hill no-one had thought to look behind, rhino horn FOR ALL!”
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:What if its almost impossible to tell the difference
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
I was just thinking you should be able to create a reasonable facsimile of a real horn using keratin.
Do the end users test it or do they assume it’s real, I mean it’s highly unlikely it actually does any useful so a fake might not even be detected. You could reinforce its authenticity by releasing useful fake news saying a number of rhinos were killed.
Anything’s possible. We’re talking about markets and suppliers who’ll put plastic in baby food, and sell fake vaccines for kids.
BEIJING (Reuters) – Police in the northeastern Chinese city of Changchun said on Sunday they had asked prosecutors to approve the arrest of 18 people at Changsheng Bio-technology Co Ltd, a vaccine maker at the center of a safety scandal.
China has launched sweeping spot checks on vaccine makers after Changsheng was found to have falsified data and sold ineffective vaccines for children, a case that has ignited public anger. – ABC News
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:What if its almost impossible to tell the difference
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
I was just thinking you should be able to create a reasonable facsimile of a real horn using keratin.
Do the end users test it or do they assume it’s real, I mean it’s highly unlikely it actually does any useful so a fake might not even be detected. You could reinforce its authenticity by releasing useful fake news saying a number of rhinos were killed.
You mean you want to engage in fraud, fooling your customers into thinking they are getting one thing while giving them something else which is not the genuine article and hoping they don’t notice?
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
I was just thinking you should be able to create a reasonable facsimile of a real horn using keratin.
Do the end users test it or do they assume it’s real, I mean it’s highly unlikely it actually does any useful so a fake might not even be detected. You could reinforce its authenticity by releasing useful fake news saying a number of rhinos were killed.
You mean you want to engage in fraud, fooling your customers into thinking they are getting one thing while giving them something else which is not the genuine article and hoping they don’t notice?
You make it sound like politics.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
I was just thinking you should be able to create a reasonable facsimile of a real horn using keratin.
Do the end users test it or do they assume it’s real, I mean it’s highly unlikely it actually does any useful so a fake might not even be detected. You could reinforce its authenticity by releasing useful fake news saying a number of rhinos were killed.
Anything’s possible. We’re talking about markets and suppliers who’ll put plastic in baby food, and sell fake vaccines for kids.
BEIJING (Reuters) – Police in the northeastern Chinese city of Changchun said on Sunday they had asked prosecutors to approve the arrest of 18 people at Changsheng Bio-technology Co Ltd, a vaccine maker at the center of a safety scandal.
China has launched sweeping spot checks on vaccine makers after Changsheng was found to have falsified data and sold ineffective vaccines for children, a case that has ignited public anger. – ABC News
You could even ask ex-poachers, buyers and customers (give them a sentence reduction) how it all goes down, what do they look like when bought (eg do they have dried blood on them) and try to match them as close as possible possibly even including real rhino from confiscation horns.
captain_spalding said:
What we really need to do is to convince the markets for rhino horn that products made from rats, locusts, and bushflies/houseflies/blowflies are better than horn.
also that these other products have the same amount of status attached to them…. if that can be done then the potential is cross boundary. We could convince big game hunters that posing next to a dead New York sewer rat is much more prestigious than a lion or giraffe… we must start with convincing the children
party_pants said:
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
I was just thinking you should be able to create a reasonable facsimile of a real horn using keratin.
Do the end users test it or do they assume it’s real, I mean it’s highly unlikely it actually does any useful so a fake might not even be detected. You could reinforce its authenticity by releasing useful fake news saying a number of rhinos were killed.
You mean you want to engage in fraud, fooling your customers into thinking they are getting one thing while giving them something else which is not the genuine article and hoping they don’t notice?
Yes.
It might be worth a try I mean it can’t really get worse can it they are already killed whenever possible
It’s not all ground up, another big market is rhino horn daggers where are a traditional Arabian coming of age gift and a lot of Arabs have money to burn.
Whilst rhinos are valuable in a poor country with poor governance they will be poached, the risk payoff benefit is too attractive. Probably the best solution is to breed them in suitable sanctuaries, the owners have a stake in not having them poached and it will be part of the cost structure guards (and drones, cos the forum loves them but this is a good use for them, one man in an office can patrol a lot of ground), and sell them as a suitably certified product and with a mark up for rhino protection in the wild.
Not as ideal as rhinos being protected in the natural environment but history is a guide and the way of protecting the rhino in the wild has just seen them decline. Time to do it different.
Arts said:
captain_spalding said:
What we really need to do is to convince the markets for rhino horn that products made from rats, locusts, and bushflies/houseflies/blowflies are better than horn.
also that these other products have the same amount of status attached to them…. if that can be done then the potential is cross boundary. We could convince big game hunters that posing next to a dead New York sewer rat is much more prestigious than a lion or giraffe… we must start with convincing the children
Could always use an already dead one and they pose next to it, tell them it’s what Trump would do
Arts said:
We could convince big game hunters that posing next to a dead New York sewer rat is much more prestigious than a lion or giraffe…
That’ll be the hard part.
There’s not usually much left of a rat that’s been hit with a .577 Nitro Express bullet.
Could you disguise a rhino say get it to wear a cardboard cut out of a small car
captain_spalding said:
Arts said:We could convince big game hunters that posing next to a dead New York sewer rat is much more prestigious than a lion or giraffe…
That’ll be the hard part.
There’s not usually much left of a rat that’s been hit with a .577 Nitro Express bullet.
Allow hunting but hand to hand combat with nothing but a knife
Cymek said:
Could you disguise a rhino say get it to wear a cardboard cut out of a small car
or get all cars to dress up like rhinos
Cymek said:
Allow hunting but hand to hand combat with nothing but a knife
Of rats, rhinos, or both?
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Allow hunting but hand to hand combat with nothing but a knife
Of rats, rhinos, or both?
And make it a fish knife, out of the cutlery set.
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Allow hunting but hand to hand combat with nothing but a knife
Of rats, rhinos, or both?
Both
Cymek said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:Allow hunting but hand to hand combat with nothing but a knife
Of rats, rhinos, or both?
Both
Fair enough.
Anyone who wants to confront a notoriously grumpy 1.5 tonne animal with a big sharp horn on its nose using only a piece of cutlery should get what they deserve, and they’ll probably deserve what they’ll get.
Cymek said:
Could you disguise a rhino say get it to wear a cardboard cut out of a small car
No. I don’t think I could.
party_pants said:
Would it be harder for poachers to make money off Rhino horns in Australia given our first world standards of policing and customs organisation?Also there is no existing network of exotic animal parts from Australia to China for traditional medicine purposes as far as I know, so it might be hard to for a poacher to find a buyer. Not like you can just advertise it on Gumtree without alerting the authorities.
It would possibly be more difficult but these people will find a way. Money talks all languages.
ruby said:
Bubblecar said:
Can’t help thinking of all the other times Australians have thought it would be a good idea to introduce an alien species into our native environments, and then been cursed by subsequent generations.
Yep. We’ve been killing off all the feral donkeys, but suddenly China says they want them for their hides…..special valuable gelatin apparently. I wonder if a combined donkey and rhino farm would work….
That is the way it probably will be done.
captain_spalding said:
ruby said:I wonder if a combined donkey and rhino farm would work….
That’s all we need. Interbreeding, resulting in donkeys with bloody great horns on their heads.
Unicorndonkeys?
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Rhinoceros horns, unlike those of other horned mammals, (which have a bony core), only consist of keratin, similar to human hair and nails.So I wonder if you could grind up hair/nails and then use a 3d printer configured to print the way rhino horns grow and fool people.
How make checking goes into making sure they are real by the buyer I wonder would they pass a reasonable check, obviously not a DNA check
We could just grind up all the hair from hairdressers around the country, and flog it as ‘powdered rhino horn’.
Arts said:
Cymek said:
Bubblecar said:
Can’t help thinking of all the other times Australians have thought it would be a good idea to introduce an alien species into our native environments, and then been cursed by subsequent generations.
At least they are less likely to run off into the bush and breed en masse.
also rhinos are vegetarians.. there is potential risk to plants (if they decide one is their absolute favourite), but probably not to fauna (they are pretty slow most of the time, and when they run fast they don’t run far – also they have terrible eyesight)
Rhinos will fuck the Australian soils as well as the plants.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
Cymek said:
Rhinoceros horns, unlike those of other horned mammals, (which have a bony core), only consist of keratin, similar to human hair and nails.So I wonder if you could grind up hair/nails and then use a 3d printer configured to print the way rhino horns grow and fool people.
How make checking goes into making sure they are real by the buyer I wonder would they pass a reasonable check, obviously not a DNA check
We could just grind up all the hair from hairdressers around the country, and flog it as ‘powdered rhino horn’.
Yep. or start a toenail collection.
Yes. Drop off your toenails in the bin at the pharmacy or the hospital, to be recycled into ‘medicine’ for suckers.
roughbarked said:
Rhinos will fuck the Australian soils as well as the plants.
God at stifling bushfires, though.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Rhinos will fuck the Australian soils as well as the plants.
God at stifling bushfires, though.
Well, maybe not actually divine at it. Maybe ‘good’.
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:Rhinos will fuck the Australian soils as well as the plants.
God at stifling bushfires, though.
Well, maybe not actually divine at it. Maybe ‘good’.
Campfires.
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:
captain_spalding said:God at stifling bushfires, though.
Well, maybe not actually divine at it. Maybe ‘good’.
Campfires.
When 1500kg of rhino says ‘total fire ban’, he can back it up.
captain_spalding said:
roughbarked said:
captain_spalding said:Well, maybe not actually divine at it. Maybe ‘good’.
Campfires.
When 1500kg of rhino says ‘total fire ban’, he can back it up.
only so far.
Australian animals must have feral proof fences to protect them from cats and foxes, just scale it up to rhinos and elephants with people being the predator. Guns and drones might be the only way.