Date: 11/08/2018 05:48:27
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1261772
Subject: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

This NASA spacecraft is about to get close and personal with the sun
By Sarah Kaplan & Ben Guarino
10 August 2018 — 5:36pm

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Washington: The source of all light and life on Earth is also the source of one of its biggest natural threats: space weather. The sun’s atmosphere regularly erupts with fast-moving flashes of protons and explosions of energetic particles that can hit Earth within minutes and disrupt radio communication, interfere with GPS and fry the electric grid. A “worst case scenario” space weather event could cause more damage than Hurricanes Katrina, Harvey and Sandy combined.

“It sounds like science fiction,” said National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration meteorologist William Murtagh, who heads the Space Weather Forecasting Centre. “But it’s something that’s not only possible but very likely to happen in the not-too-distant future.”

Scientists have long struggled to understand and predict space weather events, because the ferocious environment around the sun makes them difficult to witness as they form.

But as early as Saturday morning – if all goes according to plan – Murtagh and scores of other researchers will watch as NASA’s newest spacecraft, the Parker Solar Probe, embarks on a mission to get closer to the sun than any human-made object has before.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/this-nasa-spacecraft-is-about-to-get-close-and-personal-with-the-sun-20180810-p4zwqs.html

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Date: 11/08/2018 08:00:49
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1261775
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Witty Rejoinder said:


This NASA spacecraft is about to get close and personal with the sun
By Sarah Kaplan & Ben Guarino
10 August 2018 — 5:36pm

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Washington: The source of all light and life on Earth is also the source of one of its biggest natural threats: space weather. The sun’s atmosphere regularly erupts with fast-moving flashes of protons and explosions of energetic particles that can hit Earth within minutes and disrupt radio communication, interfere with GPS and fry the electric grid. A “worst case scenario” space weather event could cause more damage than Hurricanes Katrina, Harvey and Sandy combined.

“It sounds like science fiction,” said National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration meteorologist William Murtagh, who heads the Space Weather Forecasting Centre. “But it’s something that’s not only possible but very likely to happen in the not-too-distant future.”

Scientists have long struggled to understand and predict space weather events, because the ferocious environment around the sun makes them difficult to witness as they form.

But as early as Saturday morning – if all goes according to plan – Murtagh and scores of other researchers will watch as NASA’s newest spacecraft, the Parker Solar Probe, embarks on a mission to get closer to the sun than any human-made object has before.

Read more:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/this-nasa-spacecraft-is-about-to-get-close-and-personal-with-the-sun-20180810-p4zwqs.html

There’s an old Irish joke. “There was an Irish space program to go to the sun. They went at night so they didn’t get burnt.”

Guess when the Parker Solar Probe is going to be launched. At night, yes. And why the 65 minute launch window? So it doesn’t get burnt. More details.

https://www.space.com/41449-parker-solar-probe-night-launch-to-sun.html

Tomorrow’s launch will lift off sometime during a planned 65-minute launch window, which opens at that early morning hour in Cape Canaveral, Florida. Baez explained that originally, the launch window covered a 2-hour period, but launch services narrowed the time to 65 minutes to help minimize the spacecraft’s exposure to the Van Allen radiation belts — a collection of charged particles held in place by Earth’s magnetic field — that surround the planet. The original two-hour slot was needed to reach the probe’s first destination, Venus, but other concerns shrunk it down further.

“We started this with a two-hour window,” Baez said during the briefing. “As we looked at the trajectory, we realized that we are coming close to the Van Allen belts as we fly out, so we have a radiation concern on the launch vehicle.” According to Baez, this is why the launch window cuts off at 65 minutes.

These belts can grow and shrink in response to incoming energy from the sun and interactions with the solar wind, one of the key things that the Parker Solar Probe will be studying.

The sun’s influence is felt throughout the solar system. Its immense gravity is what keeps everything in place. Despite its powerful pull, it’s actually really hard to fly toward it. “It takes 55 times more energy to go to the sun than it does to go to Mars,” according to NASA. To compensate for that, the Parker Solar Probe is getting a big assist from the planet Venus.

The plucky little spacecraft, about the size of a small car, will fly by Venus seven times over the course of the mission. Each planetary pass will help shape the probe’s trajectory, eventually placing it in a planned elliptical orbit around the sun. If the launch occurs as planned on Aug. 11, the first flyby will happen just over a month later, on Sept. 28.

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Date: 11/08/2018 16:05:26
From: Ian
ID: 1261865
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

The sun’s atmosphere regularly erupts with fast-moving flashes of protons and explosions of energetic particles that can hit Earth within minutes and disrupt radio communication, interfere with GPS and fry the electric grid. A “worst case scenario” space weather event could cause more damage than Hurricanes Katrina, Harvey and Sandy combined.

“It sounds like science fiction,” said National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration meteorologist William Murtagh, who heads the Space Weather Forecasting Centre. “But it’s something that’s not only possible but very likely to happen in the not-too-distant future.”

Is ‘e exaggerating?

“If they’re directed at Earth, such flares and associated CMEs can create long lasting radiation storms that can harm satellites, communications systems, and even ground-based technologies and power grids. X-class flares on December 5 and December 6, 2006, for example, triggered a CME that interfered with GPS signals being sent to ground-based receivers.”

NASA

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Date: 11/08/2018 20:11:37
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1261969
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Ian said:


The sun’s atmosphere regularly erupts with fast-moving flashes of protons and explosions of energetic particles that can hit Earth within minutes and disrupt radio communication, interfere with GPS and fry the electric grid. A “worst case scenario” space weather event could cause more damage than Hurricanes Katrina, Harvey and Sandy combined.

“It sounds like science fiction,” said National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration meteorologist William Murtagh, who heads the Space Weather Forecasting Centre. “But it’s something that’s not only possible but very likely to happen in the not-too-distant future.”

Is ‘e exaggerating?

“If they’re directed at Earth, such flares and associated CMEs can create long lasting radiation storms that can harm satellites, communications systems, and even ground-based technologies and power grids. X-class flares on December 5 and December 6, 2006, for example, triggered a CME that interfered with GPS signals being sent to ground-based receivers.”

NASA

> Is ‘e exaggerating?

So fas a I know, yes. “space weather event could cause more damage than Hurricanes Katrina, Harvey and Sandy combined” looks to me like a huge exaggeration. But I’ll check it up.

There are a few papers on the topic of extreme space weather:

“On the probability of occurrence of extreme space weather events”
“The Economic Impact of Space Weather: Where Do We Stand”
“Extreme Space Weather Impact: An Emergency Management”
“The 1859 space weather event revisited: limits of extreme activity”

September 1859. The “Carrington” event is the benchmark for extreme space weather studies. The solar flare, the geomagnetic storm, and the energetic particle flux associated with this event make it one of the largest on record. Note that many crucial parameters were not measured directly, so its precise properties are subject to uncertainty. In particular, estimating the strength of the geomagnetic storm associated with the Carrington event has attracted some debate; initial estimates (2003) should be disregarded in favor of more recent analysis (2005, 2006).

“For a 1989 Quebec‐like event, the global economic impacts would range from $2.4 to $3.4 trillion USD over a year.”

“Several studies have assumed that a Carrington event would cause major transformer damage/failure and permanent loss of generator step‐ups, taking 4 to 10 years to recover from. … In a separate assessment, a recovery time of 5 months or more is suggested, with a total cost to the USA of between $0.6 and $2.6 trillion.”

“In another study, resolved to the level of individual U.S. states taking account of geomagnetic latitude, ground conductivity, and the number of transformers in each state. The difficulty of procuring and installing replacement extra high‐voltage transformers is discussed in detail. For each scenario, direct and indirect costs are calculated. The total economic loss varies between $0.5 tn and $2.7 trillion. An alternative methodology finds a total loss of $140 to $613 billion.”

mollwollfumble thinks, surely that loss can be reduced to zero, by simply switching off power supply during the “16 days” that the storm is active. Thereby reducing the recovery time from 4+ years to 16 days.

“According to both the North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC) and the U.K. Royal Academy of Engineering (RAE), with the exception of transformers that are already near end‐of‐life and of pre-1995 obsolete design, during a major geomagnetic storm the design thresholds are unlikely to be exceeded. Outages are measured in hours to days, rather than months.”

“The economic impact of Hurricane Katrina was estimated to be $81–$125 billion USD”.

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Date: 11/08/2018 20:38:14
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1261980
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

For more on extreme space weather, see also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859

“Auroras were seen around the world, those in the northern hemisphere as far from the poles as the Caribbean, central Mexico, Queensland, Cuba, Hawaii, southern Japan and China. Telegraph systems all over Europe and North America failed. Some telegraph operators could continue to send and receive messages despite having disconnected their power supplies.”

https://www.raeng.org.uk/publications/reports/space-weather-full-report

“The time to repair transformers would be between weeks and months. In addition, current estimates indicate a potential for some local electricity interruptions of a few hours. Because most nodes have more than one transformer available, not all these failures would lead to a disconnection event.”

“Up to 10% of satellites could experience temporary outages lasting hours to days as a result of the extreme event. Very old satellites might be expected to start to fail”.

“Air passengers and crew would experience an increased cancer risk of 1 in 1,000 for each person exposed, although this must be considered in the context of the lifetime risk of cancer, which is about 30%.”

GPS may be partially or completely inoperable for between one and three days.”

The downtime of mobile phones in any country will depend on whether or not the country’s cell phone network relies on GPS. The US does. The UK doesn’t.

“HF communications is likely to be rendered inoperable for several days during a solar superstorm.”

In other words, only slightly more serious than the Y2K bug.

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Date: 11/08/2018 20:59:56
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1261997
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

“US space agency Nasa has delayed its a mission to send a satellite closer to the Sun than any before.
The Parker Solar Probe was set to launch from Cape Canaveral, Florida on Saturday, but last-minute investigations have delayed it for 24 hours.
It is now scheduled to blast off – on board the mammoth Delta-IV Heavy rocket – on Sunday morning. “

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Date: 11/08/2018 21:06:05
From: sibeen
ID: 1262004
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Peak Warming Man said:


“US space agency Nasa has delayed its a mission to send a satellite closer to the Sun than any before.
The Parker Solar Probe was set to launch from Cape Canaveral, Florida on Saturday, but last-minute investigations have delayed it for 24 hours.
It is now scheduled to blast off – on board the mammoth Delta-IV Heavy rocket – on Sunday morning. “

They should probably send it at night.

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Date: 12/08/2018 10:03:27
From: sibeen
ID: 1262127
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

bump

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Date: 12/08/2018 10:08:21
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1262128
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Mini Me’s name is on the chip being sent to the sun.

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Date: 12/08/2018 10:10:26
From: Stumpy_seahorse
ID: 1262129
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Divine Angel said:


Mini Me’s name is on the chip being sent to the sun.

salt and vinegar?

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Date: 12/08/2018 10:14:29
From: Divine Angel
ID: 1262130
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Stumpy_seahorse said:


Divine Angel said:

Mini Me’s name is on the chip being sent to the sun.

salt and vinegar?

Salt’s corrosive, duh. Cheese and onion.

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Date: 12/08/2018 11:17:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1262132
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

sibeen said:


Peak Warming Man said:

“US space agency Nasa has delayed its a mission to send a satellite closer to the Sun than any before.
The Parker Solar Probe was set to launch from Cape Canaveral, Florida on Saturday, but last-minute investigations have delayed it for 24 hours.
It is now scheduled to blast off – on board the mammoth Delta-IV Heavy rocket – on Sunday morning. “

They should probably send it at night.

They are sending it at night.

So it won’t get burnt (by the radiation in the Van Allen belt).

> Mini me

I can’t remember whether my name is on it or not.

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Date: 12/08/2018 19:41:34
From: Ian
ID: 1262275
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

We have lift off

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Date: 12/08/2018 19:56:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1262282
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Parker Solar Probe’s solar arrays have deployed. They will generate the electricity needed for the spacecraft during its mission. The spacecraft is in good health and operating on its own.

From Parker solar probe mission blog on https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/parker-solar-probe

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Date: 12/08/2018 20:10:39
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1262288
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

mollwollfumble said:


Parker Solar Probe’s solar arrays have deployed. They will generate the electricity needed for the spacecraft during its mission. The spacecraft is in good health and operating on its own.

From Parker solar probe mission blog on https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/parker-solar-probe

Smooth as cocky shit, the Delta IV heavy lift rocket is pretty awesome.

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Date: 12/08/2018 20:11:17
From: sibeen
ID: 1262290
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Peak Warming Man said:


mollwollfumble said:

Parker Solar Probe’s solar arrays have deployed. They will generate the electricity needed for the spacecraft during its mission. The spacecraft is in good health and operating on its own.

From Parker solar probe mission blog on https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/parker-solar-probe

Smooth as cocky shit, the Delta IV heavy lift rocket is pretty awesome.

It’s not space-x, now there’s a rocket.

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Date: 12/08/2018 21:09:57
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1262305
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Peak Warming Man said:


mollwollfumble said:

Parker Solar Probe’s solar arrays have deployed. They will generate the electricity needed for the spacecraft during its mission. The spacecraft is in good health and operating on its own.

From Parker solar probe mission blog on https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/parker-solar-probe

Smooth as cocky shit, the Delta IV heavy lift rocket is pretty awesome.

Agree, that’s what a lift off ought to look like. Not sure about the “cocky shit” though.

Latest blog https://blogs.nasa.gov/parkersolarprobe/2018/08/12/nasas-parker-solar-probe-begins-journey-to-the-sun/ is just an expanded recap.

“About four minutes into flight, a series of key events occurred. The Delta IV port and starboard booster engines shut down and separated, the main core booster engine cut off and then separated from the second stage. After second stage engine ignition, the payload fairing was jettisoned. After second stage main engine cutoff and separation, the Parker Solar Probe separated from the third stage, provided by Northrup Grumman. Shortly afterward, mission managers confirmed that the spacecraft’s solar arrays successfully deployed and the spacecraft was operating on its own power.”

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Date: 13/08/2018 08:03:55
From: buffy
ID: 1262383
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Each time I see this come up in View by Time my mind slips across to the black stuntship from Hitchhikers’…

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“That,” he said, “that… is really bad for the eyes.”

It was a ship of classic, simple design, like a flattened salmon, twenty yards long, very clean, very sleek. There was just one remarkable thing about it.

“It’s so… black!” said Ford Prefect. “You can hardly make out its shape… light just seems to fall into it!”

The blackness of it was so extreme that it was almost impossible to tell how close you were standing to it.

“Your eyes just slide off it…” said Ford in wonder.

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Now, I’ve said it. I can stop thinking it as it slides past in VBT.

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Date: 13/08/2018 09:15:51
From: Michael V
ID: 1262388
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Good morning everybody.

14.3°C, 39% RH, clear with light breezes here today. That’s very low humidity for here. It feels cold. BoM reckons it’ll get to 20°C today.

No plans, so I’ll just play the day by ear…

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Date: 13/08/2018 09:26:17
From: Michael V
ID: 1262389
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

Sorry. Wrong thread.

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Date: 13/08/2018 09:27:18
From: buffy
ID: 1262390
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

That’s OK…I put a frivolous post in here too..

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Date: 13/08/2018 16:32:19
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1262537
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

buffy said:

Each time I see this come up in View by Time my mind slips across to the black stuntship from Hitchhikers’…

————————————————————————————————————————————

“That,” he said, “that… is really bad for the eyes.”

It was a ship of classic, simple design, like a flattened salmon, twenty yards long, very clean, very sleek. There was just one remarkable thing about it.

“It’s so… black!” said Ford Prefect. “You can hardly make out its shape… light just seems to fall into it!”

The blackness of it was so extreme that it was almost impossible to tell how close you were standing to it.

“Your eyes just slide off it…” said Ford in wonder.

—————————————————————————————————————————-

Now, I’ve said it. I can stop thinking it as it slides past in VBT.

Each time I come near this I can’t help but think of the the novel “Sundipper” (1987) by Paul B Thompson. Much the same as Parker Polar Probe, but manned, and a sample retrieval mission.

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Date: 19/08/2018 23:35:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1265125
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

All is well with the Parker Solar Probe. It’s undergoing commissioning, has switched on at least one science experiment, and is on its way to Venus.

https://www.space.com/41531-parker-solar-probe-first-milestones-to-sun.html

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Date: 20/08/2018 02:01:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1265174
Subject: re: This NASA spacecraft the Parker Solar Probe is about to get close and personal with the sun

mollwollfumble said:


All is well with the Parker Solar Probe. It’s undergoing commissioning, has switched on at least one science experiment, and is on its way to Venus.

https://www.space.com/41531-parker-solar-probe-first-milestones-to-sun.html

Different spacecraft, but heading in the same direction two months from now. Beppi-Colombo to Mercury.

MESSENGER carried: laser altimeter; a color camera ; energetic particle, plasma, gamma, x-ray, and neutron spectrometers; a magnetometer; and it used its radio system for gravity measurements.

Beppi-Colombo contains two main spacecraft, ESA’s Mercury Planetary Orbiter (MPO, but which they seem to be nicknaming Bepi) and JAXA’s Mercury Magnetospheric Orbiter, MMO. As well as a disposable sunshield.

Due for launch 5 Oct 2018. See fact sheet below. Like Parker it will have multiple gravity assists off Venus. Unlike Parker it will be much slower to reach its target.

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