Sub-clinically paranoid, I mean.

Ages ago, I noticed how the paranoid vote aided Trump, particularly from the gun lobby and the anti immigration lobby.

But that’s tangential to my question.

Let’s lump together people who are certain that they, their friends, their country, or their Earth is the target of a direct deliberate concentrated attack.

• How important is it for politicians to win the votes of those people?
• How much trouble do those people cause in, say Australian, society?

Now I’ll give some examples of what I mean by certain of direct deliberate concentrated attack.
Attack by chemicals
Attack by pollutants
Attack by disease (ie. hypochondria)
Attack by snakes, etc. (ie. phobias)
Attack by cigarette smokers
Attack by a relation (eg. believe a will was forged)
Attack by a former work colleague
Attack by social workers (eg. they’re trying to take my children away)
Attack by a criminal gang
Attack by a cult
Political attack
Attack by the tax office
Attack by the department of housing
Attack by the main roads department
Attack by “the system”
Attack by the boss
Attack by big business
Attack by multinationals (eg. they gave my job to slaves overseas)
Attack by the loggers
Attack by the weather
Attack by mining companies
Attack by the communists in Russia
Attack by the Chinese
Attack by the customers / clients
Attack as a result of an old overseas war (eg. Croatia vs Serbia)
Attack by the christians

All those are examples of what some paranoid people are sure that they, their friends, their country their Earth is being deliberately attacked by. How much political clout do such people have?

(And before you say it, don’t repeat “just because I’m paranoid it doesn’t mean that people aren’t after me”, I once knew a young woman who was in that exact position, her boyfriend was a professional hitman).

political parties seek to capture the fringe vote

the orange boot believers : believe that everyone should be wearing orange boots , special education should be given in schools to promote and create an understanding of those that believe and need to wear orange boots – those that oppose the orange boot are known as bootists that should be deplatformed and driven off social media. one of the two political parties approaches the orange boot believers and agrees to promote their agenda, throughout the land the priests in the orange boot temples encourage their followers to vote this political party. to encourage diversity some orange boot believers are stood for election in a marginal seat – the normal / sane voters will have no choice but to back the lunatic wearing orange boots, the fringe lunatics cast their vote and the nations first orange boot wearing MP is swept into a triumphant victory of bigotry and hate against orange boot wearers.

as most elections are won by a few percentage points by harnessing the fringe vote you will win.

the labor party will often have a go at sweeping up every nutcase they can to vote for them to secure the vote but that’s the beauty of democracy. by atomising the vote by identity politics you gain control as each individual is separated and isolated by their affliction (whatever it might be) their only recourse to “justice” is to vote for a party that promises them all redemption and validation.

certainly in QLD theres no voter ID , no one knows who is voting AND even if they are allowed to vote – thus multiple voting occurs. postal votes are another way to tip the balance. you go round the old age peoples homes and collect up all the postal votes with the help of a friend that might work there, you tick a box and hey presto a vote is counted. because its a postal vote no one has any idea the vote has been stolen.

why would political parties seek to win elections? well simply because hundreds of billions of dollars in government contracts pass across the table – those that control the table take control of the money collected by the gov.

the paranoid vote is a vital element to winning elections as most elections have small margins for winning.

of course the unspoken legacy of the orange boot wearers getting into power was that everyone was forced to wear orange boots – what was promised at first as a “choice” became mandatory. children were taken from their parents and into care where they were educated on life choices and mysteries of orange boots. those that resisted were lined up against the wall and killed – at present 10 million have been killed by the re-education camps. i think everyone would agree that it was necessary to create harmony across many social groups.

Turn to SBS wookie.

AwesomeO said:

Turn to SBS wookie.

tell me instead, i’m not turning it on now

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

Turn to SBS wookie.

tell me instead, i’m not turning it on now

A doco on the period of time, GFC etc prior to Trumps election.

i would be careful to listen to anything SBS puts out – its a propaganda channel

lets put it this way – you can package ANYTHING as long as you can follow some basic rules of persuasion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4AUzsGbfE

TEDx | Pedophilia is a natural sexual orientation | Mirjam Heine | University of Würzburg

i look at everything that comes across my table and evaluate it into two camps – credible or BULLSHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov’s warning to America

yuri bezmenov describes how ideological subversion was used by the KGB to infiltrate and destroy the west. sure america won but had already put into train a process to undermine the west

this is from 1984 but is prescient as it describes perfectly what is going on now.

remember when we were all told about the noble kurds ? some aussie died over in syria fighting for the YPG

Leaders and priests of Christian churches in Syria’s Hasakah issued a statement today on the attacks of YPG/PYD on schools, churches and confiscating properties of Christians in Qamishli

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/18-august-leaders-and-priests-of-christian-churches-in-syrias

Meh, making sense so far and I read some similar gear in Woodwards book re the debt ceiling shenanigans with Beher.

Boehner.

wookiemeister said:

political parties seek to capture the fringe vote

the orange boot believers : believe that everyone should be wearing orange boots , special education should be given in schools to promote and create an understanding of those that believe and need to wear orange boots – those that oppose the orange boot are known as bootists that should be deplatformed and driven off social media. one of the two political parties approaches the orange boot believers and agrees to promote their agenda, throughout the land the priests in the orange boot temples encourage their followers to vote this political party. to encourage diversity some orange boot believers are stood for election in a marginal seat – the normal / sane voters will have no choice but to back the lunatic wearing orange boots, the fringe lunatics cast their vote and the nations first orange boot wearing MP is swept into a triumphant victory of bigotry and hate against orange boot wearers.

as most elections are won by a few percentage points by harnessing the fringe vote you will win.

the labor party will often have a go at sweeping up every nutcase they can to vote for them to secure the vote but that’s the beauty of democracy. by atomising the vote by identity politics you gain control as each individual is separated and isolated by their affliction (whatever it might be) their only recourse to “justice” is to vote for a party that promises them all redemption and validation.

certainly in QLD theres no voter ID , no one knows who is voting AND even if they are allowed to vote – thus multiple voting occurs. postal votes are another way to tip the balance. you go round the old age peoples homes and collect up all the postal votes with the help of a friend that might work there, you tick a box and hey presto a vote is counted. because its a postal vote no one has any idea the vote has been stolen.

why would political parties seek to win elections? well simply because hundreds of billions of dollars in government contracts pass across the table – those that control the table take control of the money collected by the gov.

the paranoid vote is a vital element to winning elections as most elections have small margins for winning.

Thanks for clearing that up wookiemeister. I didn’t know. I love the Orange Boot example. and this bit “the labor party will often have a go at sweeping up every nutcase they can” matches my experience. On the other hand, Labor has always been shithouse at advertising so the Libs gain back more than they lose.

> certainly in QLD there’s no voter ID , no one knows who is voting AND even if they are allowed to vote – thus multiple voting occurs. postal votes are another way to tip the balance. you go round the old age peoples homes and collect up all the postal votes with the help of a friend that might work there, you tick a box and hey presto a vote is counted. because its a postal vote no one has any idea the vote has been stolen.

Um what? Is this really happening in Qld? Checks web.

• From ABC in the year 2000: “unsourced allegations in the weekend Brisbane Courier Mail that there was vote rigging in the Federal seat of Fisher in 1987. Labor’s Michael Lavarch won the seat.”
• From 2017: “A big chunk of right-leaning Queenslanders have, in this election, turned their back on a political system which they think is rigged against them”. That’s not the same.
• In QLD, non-voters still get fined, so there has to be some sort of check on ID.

No, that seems to be about it. One seat in one Qld election back in 1987, possibly, and grumbling by the right wing ever since.

I can’t see any significant issue with multiple voting though I spose people will bring up the latest example of Anning, despite that not being an example of multiple votes just a very close election.

To my mind a bigger issue is the slightly opaque matter of preferences and from that, though I admire the shenanigans, the preference whisperers.

On the whole in Oz with compulsory voting, most of the rat bag, single issue votes tend to get drowned out, which is a good thing. In countries with voluntary voting the motivated single issue nutters get a disproportionate voice.

> I can’t see any significant issue with multiple voting

I can. It used to be an extremely serious issue in PNG circa 1980, where it was not uncommon for one person to vote 20 times. I’m not sure how bad it is now.

mollwollfumble said:

> I can’t see any significant issue with multiple voting

I can. It used to be an extremely serious issue in PNG circa 1980, where it was not uncommon for one person to vote 20 times. I’m not sure how bad it is now.

I presume he was talking about Australia, and would agree that it is a serious issue where it happens.

the labor party will often have a go at sweeping up every nutcase they can to vote for them 

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Bullshit. Labor bravely shies away from the left and the right.

democracy does resemble a funeral, in ways.

transition said:

democracy does resemble a funeral, in ways.

In what ways? I see democracy as a no holds barred fight for media time.
Which is not quite like the average funeral.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

democracy does resemble a funeral, in ways.

In what ways? I see democracy as a no holds barred fight for media time.
Which is not quite like the average funeral.

Isn’t democracy more a “It’s only wrong if you get caught”