Might make some people think, although not hugely optimistic.
https://newatlas.com/climate-change-point-of-no-return-global-warming/56153/
The cost will be high, a whole generation traumatised and mentally ill.
A lovely summer’s afternoon thunder storm sending them into a foetal position of fear thinking the next clap of thunder could mean the end of the world.
Peak Warming Man said:
The cost will be high, a whole generation traumatised and mentally ill.
A lovely summer’s afternoon thunder storm sending them into a foetal position of fear thinking the next clap of thunder could mean the end of the world.
As I said, I am not hugely optimistic, with good reason apparently.
PermeateFree said:
Might make some people think, although not hugely optimistic.https://newatlas.com/climate-change-point-of-no-return-global-warming/56153/
“In December 2015, 195 countries signed up to a legally-binding global climate deal known as the Paris Agreement. Signatories would work together to limit the increase in global average temperature to a total below 2 °C relative to pre-industrial levels, up to the year 2100. The agreement also set out an even more aspirational target of capping the rise in temperature to 1.5 °C by the end of the century.”
“We conclude that very little time is left before the Paris targets to limit global warming to 1.5°C or 2°C become infeasible”.
OK.
Just a couple days ago I was thinking there wouldn’t be enough boxes, now I’m thinking there are far too many.
Life’s like that I guess, you spot the sunset gleaming but you never know where the wind goes, it’s all just a dream on the wings of a drifting cloud, easy come, easy go, if I knew the riddle of the sands I’d be a camel or an angel, it’s your choice baby, life is what you make it.
Sorry, that was for chat :)
Mr Car: a beautiful replica early motorbike (1909 – 90 mph!). Nice.
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRs7SUFfZM4
sorry.
:(
secretly people love it, help as it does bring us all together, connected, in that grand project of reality is what human minds do, and nature outside that will become a remote relic of a past forgotten. It’ll give meaning to life, just as concrete and bitumen covered over the earth, and constructions displaced trees.
further, the planet will become dependent, and humans its doctors and nurses.
you wont ask where do the children play, because they wont, instead they’ll be saving the planet.
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
Might make some people think, although not hugely optimistic.https://newatlas.com/climate-change-point-of-no-return-global-warming/56153/
“In December 2015, 195 countries signed up to a legally-binding global climate deal known as the Paris Agreement. Signatories would work together to limit the increase in global average temperature to a total below 2 °C relative to pre-industrial levels, up to the year 2100. The agreement also set out an even more aspirational target of capping the rise in temperature to 1.5 °C by the end of the century.”
“We conclude that very little time is left before the Paris targets to limit global warming to 1.5°C or 2°C become infeasible”.
OK.
I do wish you would read these articles and try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
Might make some people think, although not hugely optimistic.https://newatlas.com/climate-change-point-of-no-return-global-warming/56153/
“In December 2015, 195 countries signed up to a legally-binding global climate deal known as the Paris Agreement. Signatories would work together to limit the increase in global average temperature to a total below 2 °C relative to pre-industrial levels, up to the year 2100. The agreement also set out an even more aspirational target of capping the rise in temperature to 1.5 °C by the end of the century.”
“We conclude that very little time is left before the Paris targets to limit global warming to 1.5°C or 2°C become infeasible”.
OK.
I do wish you would read these articles and try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
If you accuse me one more of not reading the articles, I will go over there and strangle you.
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
Might make some people think, although not hugely optimistic.https://newatlas.com/climate-change-point-of-no-return-global-warming/56153/
“In December 2015, 195 countries signed up to a legally-binding global climate deal known as the Paris Agreement. Signatories would work together to limit the increase in global average temperature to a total below 2 °C relative to pre-industrial levels, up to the year 2100. The agreement also set out an even more aspirational target of capping the rise in temperature to 1.5 °C by the end of the century.”
“We conclude that very little time is left before the Paris targets to limit global warming to 1.5°C or 2°C become infeasible”.
OK.
I do wish you would read these articles and try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
I accept your point of view. I agree with you completely. Can you accept that we’re in total agreement?
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
Might make some people think, although not hugely optimistic.https://newatlas.com/climate-change-point-of-no-return-global-warming/56153/
“In December 2015, 195 countries signed up to a legally-binding global climate deal known as the Paris Agreement. Signatories would work together to limit the increase in global average temperature to a total below 2 °C relative to pre-industrial levels, up to the year 2100. The agreement also set out an even more aspirational target of capping the rise in temperature to 1.5 °C by the end of the century.”
“We conclude that very little time is left before the Paris targets to limit global warming to 1.5°C or 2°C become infeasible”.
OK.
I do wish you would read these articles and try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
They don’t care.
It is a waste of time pointing it out.
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:“In December 2015, 195 countries signed up to a legally-binding global climate deal known as the Paris Agreement. Signatories would work together to limit the increase in global average temperature to a total below 2 °C relative to pre-industrial levels, up to the year 2100. The agreement also set out an even more aspirational target of capping the rise in temperature to 1.5 °C by the end of the century.”
“We conclude that very little time is left before the Paris targets to limit global warming to 1.5°C or 2°C become infeasible”.
OK.
I do wish you would read these articles and try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
If you accuse me one more of not reading the articles, I will go over there and strangle you.
It must just be your level of understanding for their significance then.
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:“In December 2015, 195 countries signed up to a legally-binding global climate deal known as the Paris Agreement. Signatories would work together to limit the increase in global average temperature to a total below 2 °C relative to pre-industrial levels, up to the year 2100. The agreement also set out an even more aspirational target of capping the rise in temperature to 1.5 °C by the end of the century.”
“We conclude that very little time is left before the Paris targets to limit global warming to 1.5°C or 2°C become infeasible”.
OK.
I do wish you would read these articles and try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
I accept your point of view. I agree with you completely. Can you accept that we’re in total agreement?
Well please prove it and stop misquoting and otherwise belittling the environment.
PermeateFree said:
Might make some people think, although not hugely optimistic.https://newatlas.com/climate-change-point-of-no-return-global-warming/56153/
Donald DUMP withdrawals from the Paris Agreement
Reasons, impacts, and China’s response
Ogmog said:
PermeateFree said:
Might make some people think, although not hugely optimistic.https://newatlas.com/climate-change-point-of-no-return-global-warming/56153/
Donald DUMP withdrawals from the Paris Agreement
Reasons, impacts, and China’s response
Disclosure: I have only read the abstract.
“Meanwhile, China needs to keep the U.S. engaged in climate cooperation.”
Nice trick if they can do it.
Those that didn’t create the mess will inherit it and can thank previous generations for leaving the world in a worse situation than what they were born into
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:“In December 2015, 195 countries signed up to a legally-binding global climate deal known as the Paris Agreement. Signatories would work together to limit the increase in global average temperature to a total below 2 °C relative to pre-industrial levels, up to the year 2100. The agreement also set out an even more aspirational target of capping the rise in temperature to 1.5 °C by the end of the century.”
“We conclude that very little time is left before the Paris targets to limit global warming to 1.5°C or 2°C become infeasible”.
OK.
I do wish you would read these articles and try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
They don’t care.
It is a waste of time pointing it out.
Did you know that often you two eco warriors do more damage than the ignorant, you always tell everyone here we don’t care or do enough and generally lord it over us that you live and breath it. You make assumptions on our character and it’s insulting.
Cymek said:
Those that didn’t create the mess will inherit it and can thank previous generations for leaving the world in a worse situation than what they were born into
The second and first most annoying thing about the politics of it in Australia are:
2) The politicians who go on about reducing the cost of electricity (whilst ignoring the rising costs of rents, healthcare, etc), when they are just hiding and increasing the cost, and shifting it to later generations.
1) The news media, who never challenge them on it.
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:I do wish you would … try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
They don’t care.
It is a waste of time pointing it out.
We care all right. In fact, as I said before, I’m totally in agreement with what PermeateFree says here. And I’m close enough to madness not to take offence at that.
I just put climate change down as about number 20 in my list of threats to the world. There are about twenty or so other threats that are even worse.
mollwollfumble said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:I do wish you would … try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
They don’t care.
It is a waste of time pointing it out.
We care all right. In fact, as I said before, I’m totally in agreement with what PermeateFree says here. And I’m close enough to madness not to take offence at that.
I just put climate change down as about number 20 in my list of threats to the world. There are about twenty or so other threats that are even worse.
Tell us, tell us all twenty of them.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:roughbarked said:
They don’t care.
It is a waste of time pointing it out.
We care all right. In fact, as I said before, I’m totally in agreement with what PermeateFree says here. And I’m close enough to madness not to take offence at that.
I just put climate change down as about number 20 in my list of threats to the world. There are about twenty or so other threats that are even worse.
Tell us, tell us all twenty of them.
1. Baggage retrieval at Heathrow.
sibeen said:
1. Baggage retrieval at Heathrow.
Becoming obsolete now. The old airline hub & spoke model is being replaced by direct point to point services between secondary airports using long range twin widebodies like 787 and A350. Rather than feeding passengers from secondary airports to places like Heathrow and then making them and their baggage switch planes for the long haul part of the journey to another major airport, and then making them and bags switch planes again for the final leg.
:)
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:I do wish you would read these articles and try to understand their significance, but you don’t, you just cherry pick sections that suit your rather weird preconceived ideas and ignore the rest. It might be interesting for you to follow what is going on in other worlds, but this is our space ship and we literally have nowhere else to go with anything like comparable standards. Even taking the most plausible celestial body we know in our solar system that might contain life, it is nothing compared to what we have here. You want to explore oceans on other planets, which might be barren or with microbes at best, yet we know next to nothing of what exists in our own oceans that are rich in the diversity of life, something you take for granted or even contempt. Sorry, but I think you and people like you, must be stark raving mad.
They don’t care.
It is a waste of time pointing it out.
Did you know that often you two eco warriors do more damage than the ignorant, you always tell everyone here we don’t care or do enough and generally lord it over us that you live and breath it. You make assumptions on our character and it’s insulting.
You might be a little self-centred Cymek, I am not directing my comments to any individual, but to humanity as a whole as WE are the problem.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:They don’t care.
It is a waste of time pointing it out.
Did you know that often you two eco warriors do more damage than the ignorant, you always tell everyone here we don’t care or do enough and generally lord it over us that you live and breath it. You make assumptions on our character and it’s insulting.
You might be a little self-centred Cymek, I am not directing my comments to any individual, but to humanity as a whole as WE are the problem.
Perhaps, do you really think people in general don’t care.
Those that can affect the biggest changes don’t seem to care I’ll agree with that, but perhaps people in general feel helpless and it’s a lost cause as no matter what the little person does someone in power can undo all the hard work and sacrifice with the stroke of a pen. Trump for example seems like he is deliberately setting out to make it far worse and undo various efforts to try and fix some of the problems.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Did you know that often you two eco warriors do more damage than the ignorant, you always tell everyone here we don’t care or do enough and generally lord it over us that you live and breath it. You make assumptions on our character and it’s insulting.
You might be a little self-centred Cymek, I am not directing my comments to any individual, but to humanity as a whole as WE are the problem.
Perhaps, do you really think people in general don’t care.
Those that can affect the biggest changes don’t seem to care I’ll agree with that, but perhaps people in general feel helpless and it’s a lost cause as no matter what the little person does someone in power can undo all the hard work and sacrifice with the stroke of a pen. Trump for example seems like he is deliberately setting out to make it far worse and undo various efforts to try and fix some of the problems.
People interested in environmental matters are around 15% of the population in Australia, which means most people either don’t know or don’t care – go figure.
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Did you know that often you two eco warriors do more damage than the ignorant, you always tell everyone here we don’t care or do enough and generally lord it over us that you live and breath it. You make assumptions on our character and it’s insulting.
You might be a little self-centred Cymek, I am not directing my comments to any individual, but to humanity as a whole as WE are the problem.
Perhaps, do you really think people in general don’t care.
Those that can affect the biggest changes don’t seem to care I’ll agree with that, but perhaps people in general feel helpless and it’s a lost cause as no matter what the little person does someone in power can undo all the hard work and sacrifice with the stroke of a pen. Trump for example seems like he is deliberately setting out to make it far worse and undo various efforts to try and fix some of the problems.
…perhaps people in general feel helpless and it’s a lost cause as no matter what the little person does someone in power can undo all the hard work and sacrifice with the stroke of a pen. Trump for example seems like he is deliberately setting out to make it far worse and undo various efforts to try and fix some of the problems.
Seconded.
Michael V said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:You might be a little self-centred Cymek, I am not directing my comments to any individual, but to humanity as a whole as WE are the problem.
Perhaps, do you really think people in general don’t care.
Those that can affect the biggest changes don’t seem to care I’ll agree with that, but perhaps people in general feel helpless and it’s a lost cause as no matter what the little person does someone in power can undo all the hard work and sacrifice with the stroke of a pen. Trump for example seems like he is deliberately setting out to make it far worse and undo various efforts to try and fix some of the problems.
…perhaps people in general feel helpless and it’s a lost cause as no matter what the little person does someone in power can undo all the hard work and sacrifice with the stroke of a pen. Trump for example seems like he is deliberately setting out to make it far worse and undo various efforts to try and fix some of the problems.
Seconded.
It isn’t just Trump. We just had ANOTHER coal coupe.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:You might be a little self-centred Cymek, I am not directing my comments to any individual, but to humanity as a whole as WE are the problem.
Perhaps, do you really think people in general don’t care.
Those that can affect the biggest changes don’t seem to care I’ll agree with that, but perhaps people in general feel helpless and it’s a lost cause as no matter what the little person does someone in power can undo all the hard work and sacrifice with the stroke of a pen. Trump for example seems like he is deliberately setting out to make it far worse and undo various efforts to try and fix some of the problems.
People interested in environmental matters are around 15% of the population in Australia, which means most people either don’t know or don’t care – go figure.
In 2011–12, 62% of people aged 18 years and over were concerned about environmental problems in general in Australia compared with 82% in 2007–08. (Table 1 and Graph 1)
ABS http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4626.0.55.001main+features32011-12
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:Perhaps, do you really think people in general don’t care.
Those that can affect the biggest changes don’t seem to care I’ll agree with that, but perhaps people in general feel helpless and it’s a lost cause as no matter what the little person does someone in power can undo all the hard work and sacrifice with the stroke of a pen. Trump for example seems like he is deliberately setting out to make it far worse and undo various efforts to try and fix some of the problems.
People interested in environmental matters are around 15% of the population in Australia, which means most people either don’t know or don’t care – go figure.
In 2011–12, 62% of people aged 18 years and over were concerned about environmental problems in general in Australia compared with 82% in 2007–08. (Table 1 and Graph 1)
ABS http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4626.0.55.001main+features32011-12
Sad that the numbers are dropping, but there is a difference in saying yeah we don’t want to destroy the environment, and those who go deeper and become involved in the environment (even in a small way).
If humanity was serious about fixing the environment all governments would agree to diverting all military spending on environmental clean up and renewable power generation instead. We’d cooperate instead of trying to steal the various resources that are left many of which seem to require quite destructive methods to extract
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:roughbarked said:
They don’t care.
It is a waste of time pointing it out.
We care all right. In fact, as I said before, I’m totally in agreement with what PermeateFree says here. And I’m close enough to madness not to take offence at that.
I just put climate change down as about number 20 in my list of threats to the world. There are about twenty or so other threats that are even worse.
Tell us, tell us all twenty of them.
I’ll just tell you one.
Nerve gas.
For example, it would just take one madman in charge of one major country for a year or two to produce enough VX gas to kill almost every vertebrate on Earth.
And the carnage doesn’t stop there. Nerve gas acts on the acetylcholine pathway and, according to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320502024785
the acetylcholine pathway is present in not just vertebrates, but also in invertebrates (insects, sea squirt, sea urchin, trepang, squid, abalone, nereis, sea anemone, coral and sponge), plants (arabidopsis, eggplant, bamboo shoot, cedar, hinoki, pine, podcarp, fern, horsetail and moss), fungi (yeast and mushroom) and bacteria.
Luckily, although nerve gas can kill all animals, and bamboo and shiitake mushrooms, they do not kill most other plants, fungi and bacteria.
Cymek said:
If humanity was serious about fixing the environment all governments would agree to diverting all military spending on environmental clean up and renewable power generation instead. We’d cooperate instead of trying to steal the various resources that are left many of which seem to require quite destructive methods to extract
Don’t think it is as simple as that, there are so many things going seriously wrong and worse still, they are converging to create a very serious situation.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
If humanity was serious about fixing the environment all governments would agree to diverting all military spending on environmental clean up and renewable power generation instead. We’d cooperate instead of trying to steal the various resources that are left many of which seem to require quite destructive methods to extract
Don’t think it is as simple as that, there are so many things going seriously wrong and worse still, they are converging to create a very serious situation.
Probably not, I imagine it’s going to take a century of serious effort and sacrifice to minimise the damage and perhaps reverse or repair some of it
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:We care all right. In fact, as I said before, I’m totally in agreement with what PermeateFree says here. And I’m close enough to madness not to take offence at that.
I just put climate change down as about number 20 in my list of threats to the world. There are about twenty or so other threats that are even worse.
Tell us, tell us all twenty of them.
I’ll just tell you one.
Nerve gas.
For example, it would just take one madman in charge of one major country for a year or two to produce enough VX gas to kill almost every vertebrate on Earth.
And the carnage doesn’t stop there. Nerve gas acts on the acetylcholine pathway and, according to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320502024785
the acetylcholine pathway is present in not just vertebrates, but also in invertebrates (insects, sea squirt, sea urchin, trepang, squid, abalone, nereis, sea anemone, coral and sponge), plants (arabidopsis, eggplant, bamboo shoot, cedar, hinoki, pine, podcarp, fern, horsetail and moss), fungi (yeast and mushroom) and bacteria.Luckily, although nerve gas can kill all animals, and bamboo and shiitake mushrooms, they do not kill most other plants, fungi and bacteria.
So they might produce billions of tons of this gas and release it into the atmosphere. Think you worry too much, not only about the wrong things, but the most improbable.
PermeateFree said:
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Tell us, tell us all twenty of them.
I’ll just tell you one.
Nerve gas.
For example, it would just take one madman in charge of one major country for a year or two to produce enough VX gas to kill almost every vertebrate on Earth.
And the carnage doesn’t stop there. Nerve gas acts on the acetylcholine pathway and, according to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320502024785
the acetylcholine pathway is present in not just vertebrates, but also in invertebrates (insects, sea squirt, sea urchin, trepang, squid, abalone, nereis, sea anemone, coral and sponge), plants (arabidopsis, eggplant, bamboo shoot, cedar, hinoki, pine, podcarp, fern, horsetail and moss), fungi (yeast and mushroom) and bacteria.Luckily, although nerve gas can kill all animals, and bamboo and shiitake mushrooms, they do not kill most other plants, fungi and bacteria.
So they might produce billions of tons of this gas and release it into the atmosphere. Think you worry too much, not only about the wrong things, but the most improbable.
There probably is a reasonable threat someone just wants to watch the world burn and technology allows even small nation states to seriously wreck the world
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
If humanity was serious about fixing the environment all governments would agree to diverting all military spending on environmental clean up and renewable power generation instead. We’d cooperate instead of trying to steal the various resources that are left many of which seem to require quite destructive methods to extract
Don’t think it is as simple as that, there are so many things going seriously wrong and worse still, they are converging to create a very serious situation.
Probably not, I imagine it’s going to take a century of serious effort and sacrifice to minimise the damage and perhaps reverse or repair some of it
Even if we stopped producing co2 today, climate change will continue until the existing co2 can be absorbed to acceptable levels, then it will depend on how much it has changed the environment and at what stage of the tipping point it has reached. The climate is way outside our capacity to control, we have been tipping all our shit into the environment for tens of decades and it is just not going to miraculously clean itself up. We forget that the human population is forecast to reach over the 11 billion by the end of this century, now all these extra people will need things to survive, which will need to be manufactured, captured or grown. This will require additional energy, so to be able to quickly turn off global warming is not going to happen.
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:We care all right. In fact, as I said before, I’m totally in agreement with what PermeateFree says here. And I’m close enough to madness not to take offence at that.
I just put climate change down as about number 20 in my list of threats to the world. There are about twenty or so other threats that are even worse.
Tell us, tell us all twenty of them.
I’ll just tell you one.
Nerve gas.
For example, it would just take one madman in charge of one major country for a year or two to produce enough VX gas to kill almost every vertebrate on Earth.
And the carnage doesn’t stop there. Nerve gas acts on the acetylcholine pathway and, according to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320502024785
the acetylcholine pathway is present in not just vertebrates, but also in invertebrates (insects, sea squirt, sea urchin, trepang, squid, abalone, nereis, sea anemone, coral and sponge), plants (arabidopsis, eggplant, bamboo shoot, cedar, hinoki, pine, podcarp, fern, horsetail and moss), fungi (yeast and mushroom) and bacteria.Luckily, although nerve gas can kill all animals, and bamboo and shiitake mushrooms, they do not kill most other plants, fungi and bacteria.
I’d still like to see the other 19.
But I think it is reasonable to discuss separately risks of this sort (mass use of stored weapons, and other deliberate acts), and risks arising from the peaceful application of technology.
In the latter case all that is required to minimise the risk is to calculate the future cost of any technology and to ensure that cost is paid by the people using the technology, rather than people in future who did not benefit from it.
Having done that we can just leave it to market mechanisms to ensure that everyone gets the maximum benefit at the minimum total cost.
God did do a small scale laboratory experiment to see how humans would handle husbanding their resources
The Easter Island experiment didn’t end well.
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:We care all right. In fact, as I said before, I’m totally in agreement with what PermeateFree says here. And I’m close enough to madness not to take offence at that.
I just put climate change down as about number 20 in my list of threats to the world. There are about twenty or so other threats that are even worse.
Tell us, tell us all twenty of them.
I’ll just tell you one.
Nerve gas.
For example, it would just take one madman in charge of one major country for a year or two to produce enough VX gas to kill almost every vertebrate on Earth.
And the carnage doesn’t stop there. Nerve gas acts on the acetylcholine pathway and, according to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320502024785
the acetylcholine pathway is present in not just vertebrates, but also in invertebrates (insects, sea squirt, sea urchin, trepang, squid, abalone, nereis, sea anemone, coral and sponge), plants (arabidopsis, eggplant, bamboo shoot, cedar, hinoki, pine, podcarp, fern, horsetail and moss), fungi (yeast and mushroom) and bacteria.Luckily, although nerve gas can kill all animals, and bamboo and shiitake mushrooms, they do not kill most other plants, fungi and bacteria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6uLUaqgWY0
Why nerve gas really isnt as deadly as you think!
Peak Warming Man said:
God did do a small scale laboratory experiment to see how humans would handle husbanding their resources
The Easter Island experiment didn’t end well.
There have been many such examples, aided by drought or flood since the advent of civilisation. The hunter/gatherer had the perfect system, if you hunted to much game you started to die of starvation. Very simple but it worked beautifully. We are currently eating the future.
PermeateFree said:
Peak Warming Man said:
God did do a small scale laboratory experiment to see how humans would handle husbanding their resources
The Easter Island experiment didn’t end well.
There have been many such examples, aided by drought or flood since the advent of civilisation. The hunter/gatherer had the perfect system, if you hunted to much game you started to die of starvation. Very simple but it worked beautifully. We are currently eating the future.
Future Eaters.
PermeateFree said:
Peak Warming Man said:
God did do a small scale laboratory experiment to see how humans would handle husbanding their resources
The Easter Island experiment didn’t end well.
There have been many such examples, aided by drought or flood since the advent of civilisation. The hunter/gatherer had the perfect system, if you hunted to much game you started to die of starvation. Very simple but it worked beautifully. We are currently eating the future.
Nah, it was a shithouse system.
party_pants said:
PermeateFree said:
Peak Warming Man said:
God did do a small scale laboratory experiment to see how humans would handle husbanding their resources
The Easter Island experiment didn’t end well.
There have been many such examples, aided by drought or flood since the advent of civilisation. The hunter/gatherer had the perfect system, if you hunted to much game you started to die of starvation. Very simple but it worked beautifully. We are currently eating the future.
Nah, it was a shithouse system.
Not talking about the individual, but the survival of species. Now you have another good bite, remember you are getting it all for nothing, the later diners will pick up the bill.
PermeateFree said:
Arts said:
PermeateFree said:People interested in environmental matters are around 15% of the population in Australia, which means most people either don’t know or don’t care – go figure.
In 2011–12, 62% of people aged 18 years and over were concerned about environmental problems in general in Australia compared with 82% in 2007–08. (Table 1 and Graph 1)
ABS http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4626.0.55.001main+features32011-12
Sad that the numbers are dropping, but there is a difference in saying yeah we don’t want to destroy the environment, and those who go deeper and become involved in the environment (even in a small way).
the numbers are dropping across the board it seems… though I found this interesting…
More people living in capital cities were concerned with climate change (60%) compared with people living outside of capital city areas (52%) Water shortages were of the most concern to people living in Western Australia (85%) A higher proportion of people living in the Australian Capital Territory (67%), Tasmania (63%) and Western Australia (62%) were concerned about climate change compared with other states and territories.I dunno if the world is going to shit or not. But the world has always been in flux. I am interested in archaeology and we worry now about rising sea levels but many ancient cities are under water as well. There are less people living in poverty than ever before, when countries become developed and richer they tend to clean up and restore primacy to the environment, one of the bigger drivers to deforestation is cooking fires.
Population growth is slowing and destined to go into reverse, everywhere people are heading toward the cities, by implication reducing population pressure everywhere else. I tend to think at worst a more blade runner world. At best a lumpy transition to a carbon reduced world and with potential mitigation in the form of genetic engineered forests.
As an example I think some parts of the world are going to skip over centralised communication and power lines and genration and skip straight to decentralised solar and cellular.
China is waking up and that will be the biggest driver for simple things like fridges and the power they require which is likely to be mostly coal. But then again, China is in a demographic headlock, it’s one child policy is going to have an unintended consequence of a hugely diminishing population. Everything a China does is big and that includes its reversals.
AwesomeO said:
I dunno if the world is going to shit or not. But the world has always been in flux. I am interested in archaeology and we worry now about rising sea levels but many ancient cities are under water as well. There are less people living in poverty than ever before, when countries become developed and richer they tend to clean up and restore primacy to the environment, one of the bigger drivers to deforestation is cooking fires.Population growth is slowing and destined to go into reverse, everywhere people are heading toward the cities, by implication reducing population pressure everywhere else. I tend to think at worst a more blade runner world. At best a lumpy transition to a carbon reduced world and with potential mitigation in the form of genetic engineered forests.
Hopefully not a Blade Runner world that was dreary to say the least
AwesomeO said:
I dunno if the world is going to shit or not. But the world has always been in flux. I am interested in archaeology and we worry now about rising sea levels but many ancient cities are under water as well. There are less people living in poverty than ever before, when countries become developed and richer they tend to clean up and restore primacy to the environment, one of the bigger drivers to deforestation is cooking fires.Population growth is slowing and destined to go into reverse, everywhere people are heading toward the cities, by implication reducing population pressure everywhere else. I tend to think at worst a more blade runner world. At best a lumpy transition to a carbon reduced world and with potential mitigation in the form of genetic engineered forests.
It won’t be the end of the human race but it might mean a less diverse environmentally friendly world for those yet to be born.
Cymek said:
AwesomeO said:
I dunno if the world is going to shit or not. But the world has always been in flux. I am interested in archaeology and we worry now about rising sea levels but many ancient cities are under water as well. There are less people living in poverty than ever before, when countries become developed and richer they tend to clean up and restore primacy to the environment, one of the bigger drivers to deforestation is cooking fires.Population growth is slowing and destined to go into reverse, everywhere people are heading toward the cities, by implication reducing population pressure everywhere else. I tend to think at worst a more blade runner world. At best a lumpy transition to a carbon reduced world and with potential mitigation in the form of genetic engineered forests.
Hopefully not a Blade Runner world that was dreary to say the least
If was thinking more the crowded cities, ubiquitous computer technology and constant presumably climate change rain. Also if people are used to that, are fed, entertained and free from fear it is hard to measure that against a standard of life that we consider to be desirable.
AwesomeO said:
I dunno if the world is going to shit or not. But the world has always been in flux. I am interested in archaeology and we worry now about rising sea levels but many ancient cities are under water as well. There are less people living in poverty than ever before, when countries become developed and richer they tend to clean up and restore primacy to the environment, one of the bigger drivers to deforestation is cooking fires.Population growth is slowing and destined to go into reverse, everywhere people are heading toward the cities, by implication reducing population pressure everywhere else. I tend to think at worst a more blade runner world. At best a lumpy transition to a carbon reduced world and with potential mitigation in the form of genetic engineered forests.
So you think us heading for the sixth mass extinction event, and by far the largest population ever (which I might add is currently not slowing with the current population of around 7 billion and estimated to be over 11 billion by the end of this century), I assure you this is not going to be a doddle?
Population growth IS NOT slowing and has every likelihood of increasing further. Just because some wealthy countries are having some impact on their population, it is being more than offset by migration from the countries that cannot, and this applies to most western countries. You have only got to look at Europe to appreciate what a constant stream of people wanting to get to the better life can do (and who can blame them), so it will continue and increase as conditions become ever problematic in their own countries.
Climate change does not mean it is just going to get hotter, it means there will be more extreme events that will affect food production, not to mention a host of other problems. We are already living way beyond what this planet can support.
Last time I looked the world population is heading for a peak then a decline, and in places like China a very steep decline, the peak is still being driven by very young populations in Africa.
If you have a solution to reduce the drivers to that peak I am all ears.
The majority of your post was a dig presaged by “So” which imposes an unfair burden on me. Do you think I am waving on extinctions? Get a grip. The majority of your posts are like this, seemingly more an opportunity to get a shot in. But you did say this,
“Climate change does not mean it is just going to get hotter, it means there will be more extreme events that will affect food production, not to mention a host of other problems. We are already living way beyond what this planet can support.”
I am fully aware of that, all I said was I assumed the Bladerunner universe used constant rain as a tool to indicate that. You took a massive assumption leap.
But apart from having a go at me, re your post what do you suggest?
AwesomeO said:
Last time I looked the world population is heading for a peak then a decline, and in places like China a very steep decline, the peak is still being driven by very young populations in Africa.If you have a solution to reduce the drivers to that peak I am all ears.
Population growth is up and down in most countries including western countries, haven’t you heard the pollies complaining about our low population and only a few working adults that will have to support them all. However regardless of how the population in countries increase whether by immigration or increased births the results are the same. China you might have heard has discontinued its one child policy to maintain its workforce, they are currently trying to boost their population for economic reason, as is Australia. Canada and many others.
Africa is certainly going to be a problem regarding numbers of people, but their are other countries like the Philippines, South America, etc.
PermeateFree said:
AwesomeO said:
Last time I looked the world population is heading for a peak then a decline, and in places like China a very steep decline, the peak is still being driven by very young populations in Africa.If you have a solution to reduce the drivers to that peak I am all ears.
Population growth is up and down in most countries including western countries, haven’t you heard the pollies complaining about our low population and only a few working adults that will have to support them all. However regardless of how the population in countries increase whether by immigration or increased births the results are the same. China you might have heard has discontinued its one child policy to maintain its workforce, they are currently trying to boost their population for economic reason, as is Australia. Canada and many others.
Africa is certainly going to be a problem regarding numbers of people, but their are other countries like the Philippines, South America, etc.
That’s why I said world wide. China is dismantling its on child policy but that doesn’t mean they miss the massive demographic implications, an aging population with no tax base. They are going into decline, no ways around it.
AwesomeO said:
The majority of your post was a dig presaged by “So” which imposes an unfair burden on me. Do you think I am waving on extinctions? Get a grip. The majority of your posts are like this, seemingly more an opportunity to get a shot in. But you did say this,“Climate change does not mean it is just going to get hotter, it means there will be more extreme events that will affect food production, not to mention a host of other problems. We are already living way beyond what this planet can support.”
I am fully aware of that, all I said was I assumed the Bladerunner universe used constant rain as a tool to indicate that. You took a massive assumption leap.
But apart from having a go at me, re your post what do you suggest?
I am NOT having a go at you, I am responding to the statements in your posts. You say you know all about the bad things that can happen, yet you ignore or even defend them. As for a solution I don’t believe there is one. It is our way of life that is the problem and that cannot be changed for any reason. Our problems have been slowly growing since they developed agriculture, which permitted unrestricted population growth.
PermeateFree said:
AwesomeO said:
The majority of your post was a dig presaged by “So” which imposes an unfair burden on me. Do you think I am waving on extinctions? Get a grip. The majority of your posts are like this, seemingly more an opportunity to get a shot in. But you did say this,“Climate change does not mean it is just going to get hotter, it means there will be more extreme events that will affect food production, not to mention a host of other problems. We are already living way beyond what this planet can support.”
I am fully aware of that, all I said was I assumed the Bladerunner universe used constant rain as a tool to indicate that. You took a massive assumption leap.
But apart from having a go at me, re your post what do you suggest?
I am NOT having a go at you, I am responding to the statements in your posts. You say you know all about the bad things that can happen, yet you ignore or even defend them. As for a solution I don’t believe there is one. It is our way of life that is the problem and that cannot be changed for any reason. Our problems have been slowly growing since they developed agriculture, which permitted unrestricted population growth.
What did I defend? You haven’t said anything I don’t know but so far as I can see all you are doing is trying to prove that you care more. So be it, another thing I can ignore is you.
AwesomeO said:
PermeateFree said:
AwesomeO said:
Last time I looked the world population is heading for a peak then a decline, and in places like China a very steep decline, the peak is still being driven by very young populations in Africa.If you have a solution to reduce the drivers to that peak I am all ears.
Population growth is up and down in most countries including western countries, haven’t you heard the pollies complaining about our low population and only a few working adults that will have to support them all. However regardless of how the population in countries increase whether by immigration or increased births the results are the same. China you might have heard has discontinued its one child policy to maintain its workforce, they are currently trying to boost their population for economic reason, as is Australia. Canada and many others.
Africa is certainly going to be a problem regarding numbers of people, but their are other countries like the Philippines, South America, etc.
That’s why I said world wide. China is dismantling its on child policy but that doesn’t mean they miss the massive demographic implications, an aging population with no tax base. They are going into decline, no ways around it.
That is not the latest from Beijing, they are very concerned about their falling population and wish to increase it. This attitudes seems to prevail in most developed countries these days as they see more people equals greater wealth.
AwesomeO said:
PermeateFree said:
AwesomeO said:
The majority of your post was a dig presaged by “So” which imposes an unfair burden on me. Do you think I am waving on extinctions? Get a grip. The majority of your posts are like this, seemingly more an opportunity to get a shot in. But you did say this,“Climate change does not mean it is just going to get hotter, it means there will be more extreme events that will affect food production, not to mention a host of other problems. We are already living way beyond what this planet can support.”
I am fully aware of that, all I said was I assumed the Bladerunner universe used constant rain as a tool to indicate that. You took a massive assumption leap.
But apart from having a go at me, re your post what do you suggest?
I am NOT having a go at you, I am responding to the statements in your posts. You say you know all about the bad things that can happen, yet you ignore or even defend them. As for a solution I don’t believe there is one. It is our way of life that is the problem and that cannot be changed for any reason. Our problems have been slowly growing since they developed agriculture, which permitted unrestricted population growth.
What did I defend? You haven’t said anything I don’t know but so far as I can see all you are doing is trying to prove that you care more. So be it, another thing I can ignore is you.
Geez, you are an obnoxious jerk.
PermeateFree said:
AwesomeO said:
The majority of your post was a dig presaged by “So” which imposes an unfair burden on me. Do you think I am waving on extinctions? Get a grip. The majority of your posts are like this, seemingly more an opportunity to get a shot in. But you did say this,“Climate change does not mean it is just going to get hotter, it means there will be more extreme events that will affect food production, not to mention a host of other problems. We are already living way beyond what this planet can support.”
I am fully aware of that, all I said was I assumed the Bladerunner universe used constant rain as a tool to indicate that. You took a massive assumption leap.
But apart from having a go at me, re your post what do you suggest?
I am NOT having a go at you, I am responding to the statements in your posts. You say you know all about the bad things that can happen, yet you ignore or even defend them. As for a solution I don’t believe there is one. It is our way of life that is the problem and that cannot be changed for any reason. Our problems have been slowly growing since they developed agriculture, which permitted unrestricted population growth.
As for a solution I don’t believe there is one.
I think this too. So I stopped stressing about it, stopped getting angry about it, and now get on with trying to reduce my contribution.
Michael V said:
PermeateFree said:
AwesomeO said:
The majority of your post was a dig presaged by “So” which imposes an unfair burden on me. Do you think I am waving on extinctions? Get a grip. The majority of your posts are like this, seemingly more an opportunity to get a shot in. But you did say this,“Climate change does not mean it is just going to get hotter, it means there will be more extreme events that will affect food production, not to mention a host of other problems. We are already living way beyond what this planet can support.”
I am fully aware of that, all I said was I assumed the Bladerunner universe used constant rain as a tool to indicate that. You took a massive assumption leap.
But apart from having a go at me, re your post what do you suggest?
I am NOT having a go at you, I am responding to the statements in your posts. You say you know all about the bad things that can happen, yet you ignore or even defend them. As for a solution I don’t believe there is one. It is our way of life that is the problem and that cannot be changed for any reason. Our problems have been slowly growing since they developed agriculture, which permitted unrestricted population growth.
As for a solution I don’t believe there is one.
I think this too. So I stopped stressing about it, stopped getting angry about it, and now get on with trying to reduce my contribution.
I should do the same, but ignorant comments annoy me. If this is a scientifically based forum, we should be concerned about factual matters, but perhaps Trump has dominated here for too long and fake news has crept in.
AwesomeO said:
PermeateFree said:
AwesomeO said:
The majority of your post was a dig presaged by “So” which imposes an unfair burden on me. Do you think I am waving on extinctions? Get a grip. The majority of your posts are like this, seemingly more an opportunity to get a shot in. But you did say this,“Climate change does not mean it is just going to get hotter, it means there will be more extreme events that will affect food production, not to mention a host of other problems. We are already living way beyond what this planet can support.”
I am fully aware of that, all I said was I assumed the Bladerunner universe used constant rain as a tool to indicate that. You took a massive assumption leap.
But apart from having a go at me, re your post what do you suggest?
I am NOT having a go at you, I am responding to the statements in your posts. You say you know all about the bad things that can happen, yet you ignore or even defend them. As for a solution I don’t believe there is one. It is our way of life that is the problem and that cannot be changed for any reason. Our problems have been slowly growing since they developed agriculture, which permitted unrestricted population growth.
What did I defend? You haven’t said anything I don’t know but so far as I can see all you are doing is trying to prove that you care more. So be it, another thing I can ignore is you.
Not improving at all.
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Tell us, tell us all twenty of them.
I’ll just tell you one.
Nerve gas.
For example, it would just take one madman in charge of one major country for a year or two to produce enough VX gas to kill almost every vertebrate on Earth.
And the carnage doesn’t stop there. Nerve gas acts on the acetylcholine pathway and, according to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320502024785
the acetylcholine pathway is present in not just vertebrates, but also in invertebrates (insects, sea squirt, sea urchin, trepang, squid, abalone, nereis, sea anemone, coral and sponge), plants (arabidopsis, eggplant, bamboo shoot, cedar, hinoki, pine, podcarp, fern, horsetail and moss), fungi (yeast and mushroom) and bacteria.Luckily, although nerve gas can kill all animals, and bamboo and shiitake mushrooms, they do not kill most other plants, fungi and bacteria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6uLUaqgWY0
Why nerve gas really isnt as deadly as you think!
Thank you for that. You’re right. Delivery systems would be really difficult. But VX is more than 70 times as deadly as Sarin, Sarin is old school. I calculate that 12,000 tons of nerve gas (less than that produced by Germany in WW2 in 3 years) is anough to “potentially” kill every animal on Earth 1000 times over. Now with poor delivery systems such as the Tokyo subway attack the video says effectiveness is 50,000 times less. Part of that is because of prompt medical intervention, impossible for wild animals, but let’s ignore that and stick with the factor of 50,000. That means that Germany’‘s production, with poor delivery, is “only” enough to kill one 50th of all animals on Earth. But a major country could produce a lot more than that now.
And you’re right in that this is a totally different type of threat. The other 19 or so, later.
Following on, the more I think about it, the more I come up with different types of madness that could result in someone in power releasing many thousands of tons of nerve gas into the environment. There is an antidote which the perpetrators would use.
How can we protect against all those types of madness?
mollwollfumble said:
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:I’ll just tell you one.
Nerve gas.
For example, it would just take one madman in charge of one major country for a year or two to produce enough VX gas to kill almost every vertebrate on Earth.
And the carnage doesn’t stop there. Nerve gas acts on the acetylcholine pathway and, according to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0024320502024785
the acetylcholine pathway is present in not just vertebrates, but also in invertebrates (insects, sea squirt, sea urchin, trepang, squid, abalone, nereis, sea anemone, coral and sponge), plants (arabidopsis, eggplant, bamboo shoot, cedar, hinoki, pine, podcarp, fern, horsetail and moss), fungi (yeast and mushroom) and bacteria.Luckily, although nerve gas can kill all animals, and bamboo and shiitake mushrooms, they do not kill most other plants, fungi and bacteria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6uLUaqgWY0
Why nerve gas really isnt as deadly as you think!
Thank you for that. You’re right. Delivery systems would be really difficult. But VX is more than 70 times as deadly as Sarin, Sarin is old school. I calculate that 12,000 tons of nerve gas (less than that produced by Germany in WW2 in 3 years) is anough to “potentially” kill every animal on Earth 1000 times over. Now with poor delivery systems such as the Tokyo subway attack the video says effectiveness is 50,000 times less. Part of that is because of prompt medical intervention, impossible for wild animals, but let’s ignore that and stick with the factor of 50,000. That means that Germany’‘s production, with poor delivery, is “only” enough to kill one 50th of all animals on Earth. But a major country could produce a lot more than that now.
And you’re right in that this is a totally different type of threat. The other 19 or so, later.
Following on, the more I think about it, the more I come up with different types of madness that could result in someone in power releasing many thousands of tons of nerve gas into the environment. There is an antidote which the perpetrators would use.
- Eugenics – make human race better by killing the defective
- White supremacist
- Anti-white – white people have destroyed the world
- Greed – I want it all and I want it now
- I’m dead but I’ll take you all with me
- Nationalist – push all the other countries back to the stone age
- Paranoia – everyone’s out to get me so I’ll get them first
- Environmentalist – the environment would be better off without people in it
- Anti-God – God is out to get me, well I’ll show him.
- Armageddon is here and it’s up to me to do God’s will
- Better a horrible ending than horrors without end
- Hearing voices – the Devil made me do it
- Blackmail
- All’s fair in war.
How can we protect against all those types of madness?
A bit more on the numbers. The USA dropped 76,000 tons of agent orange on SE Asia. If that was VX then, even after allowing the video’s decrease in effectiveness by a factor of 50,000, that’s enough to kill 10% of all animals on Earth, vertebrates and invertebrates.
The video doesn’t mention crop dusting aircraft as a dispersal method. But that’s the standard delivery method for organophosphates such as insecticides and nerve agents, and agent orange.
Global pesticide production is in excess of 3 million tons per annum. China produces 1.8 million tons of pesticide each year. If that was VX than, even after the video’s decrease in effectiveness by a factor of 50,000, there wouldn’t be any animals left on Earth.
Peak Warming Man said:
The cost will be high, a whole generation traumatised and mentally ill.
A lovely summer’s afternoon thunder storm sending them into a foetal position of fear thinking the next clap of thunder could mean the end of the world.
we’ll still have emojiis and facebook