Not caused by a meteorite, but by a drill, from the inside. Accident or deliberate sabotage?

Russia launched checks Tuesday after its space chief said an air leak on the International Space Station last week could have been deliberate sabotage.

Space agency chief Dmitry Rogozin said the hole detected Thursday in a Russian space craft docked at the orbiting station was caused by a drill and could have been done deliberately, either back on Earth or by astronauts in space.

Astronauts used tape to seal the leak after it caused a small loss of pressure that was not life-threatening.

“There were several attempts at drilling,” Rogozin said late Monday in televised comments, adding that the drill appeared to have been held by a “wavering hand”.

“What is this: a production defect or some premeditated actions?” he asked.

“We are checking the Earth version. But there is another version that we do not rule out: deliberate interference in space.”

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-09-russia-space-station-leak-deliberate.html#jCp

Maybe someone was trying to hang a picture.

I’m not ruling out an agent of Elon Musk. He could have been hoping to launch a rescue attempt with a mini submarine.

I’m sure it’s nothing sinister.

Bubblecar said:

I’m not ruling out an agent of Elon Musk. He could have been hoping to launch a rescue attempt with a mini submarine.

I wonder what the turnaround time for an evacuation is, if all Elon’s subs are busy elsewhere.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m not ruling out an agent of Elon Musk. He could have been hoping to launch a rescue attempt with a mini submarine.

I wonder what the turnaround time for an evacuation is, if all Elon’s subs are busy elsewhere.

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-evacuation-plan-on-the-ISS-in-case-of-an-emergency-Are-there-any-drills-performed-on-the-ISS-for-an-evacuation

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m not ruling out an agent of Elon Musk. He could have been hoping to launch a rescue attempt with a mini submarine.

I wonder what the turnaround time for an evacuation is, if all Elon’s subs are busy elsewhere.

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-evacuation-plan-on-the-ISS-in-case-of-an-emergency-Are-there-any-drills-performed-on-the-ISS-for-an-evacuation

“Relax, we don’t need to evacuate, it was just a drill”.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

I wonder what the turnaround time for an evacuation is, if all Elon’s subs are busy elsewhere.

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-evacuation-plan-on-the-ISS-in-case-of-an-emergency-Are-there-any-drills-performed-on-the-ISS-for-an-evacuation

“Relax, we don’t need to evacuate, it was just a drill”.

:)

Bubblecar said:

I’m not ruling out an agent of Elon Musk. He could have been hoping to launch a rescue attempt with a mini submarine.

I’m not ruling out whoever sabotaged the Russian missions to Mars and Phobos. 19 failed Russian missions to Mars. What are the odds?

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m not ruling out an agent of Elon Musk. He could have been hoping to launch a rescue attempt with a mini submarine.

I’m not ruling out whoever sabotaged the Russian missions to Mars and Phobos. 19 failed Russian missions to Mars. What are the odds?

Dunno, but it’s probably MIB

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m not ruling out an agent of Elon Musk. He could have been hoping to launch a rescue attempt with a mini submarine.

I’m not ruling out whoever sabotaged the Russian missions to Mars and Phobos. 19 failed Russian missions to Mars. What are the odds?

Dunno, but it’s probably MIB

Perhaps the Russians can make tough old rockets and capsules but the intricacies of probe design were beyond them.

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m not ruling out whoever sabotaged the Russian missions to Mars and Phobos. 19 failed Russian missions to Mars. What are the odds?

Dunno, but it’s probably MIB

Perhaps the Russians can make tough old rockets and capsules but the intricacies of probe design were beyond them.

The American rover landings on Mars were nothing short of brilliant.

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

Dunno, but it’s probably MIB

Perhaps the Russians can make tough old rockets and capsules but the intricacies of probe design were beyond them.

The American rover landings on Mars were nothing short of brilliant.

Especially brilliant considering that Americans are so stupid…apparently.

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

Dunno, but it’s probably MIB

Perhaps the Russians can make tough old rockets and capsules but the intricacies of probe design were beyond them.

The American rover landings on Mars were nothing short of brilliant.

Nah, they just crashed landed and relied on airbags :)

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Cymek said:

Dunno, but it’s probably MIB

Perhaps the Russians can make tough old rockets and capsules but the intricacies of probe design were beyond them.

The American rover landings on Mars were nothing short of brilliant.

Yes something to be proud of
I’d hope no one would want to sabotage anyone’s peaceful space programmes, even your enemies

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Perhaps the Russians can make tough old rockets and capsules but the intricacies of probe design were beyond them.

The American rover landings on Mars were nothing short of brilliant.

Especially brilliant considering that Americans are so stupid…apparently.

Mostly the loud people we hear about I think, the smart ones are to busy achieving things

Interesting.

The Telegraph UK says..

“One Russian politician and former cosmonaut has even claimed it could have been carried out by a homesick astronaut.

Speaking to Russia’s International News Agency RIA Novosti, Maxim Suraev said on-board sabotage by a mentally unstable crew member could not be ruled out.

“All of us are living people, everyone can want to go home, but this way is completely unworthy,” he said.

mollwollfumble said:

Bubblecar said:

I’m not ruling out an agent of Elon Musk. He could have been hoping to launch a rescue attempt with a mini submarine.

I’m not ruling out whoever sabotaged the Russian missions to Mars and Phobos. 19 failed Russian missions to Mars. What are the odds?

the chances of anything landing on mars are a million to one, but still they land.

party_pants said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Cymek said:

Perhaps the Russians can make tough old rockets and capsules but the intricacies of probe design were beyond them.

The American rover landings on Mars were nothing short of brilliant.

Nah, they just crashed landed and relied on airbags :)

They stole the airbag design from the Russians. The Russian Landers on the Moon all used airbags. The Americans also stole their Mars rover suspension design from the Russians.

the person drilling the hole had obviously no experience of drilling a hole

with such a smooth surface you need to use a punch to make an indent for the head of the drill to sit into and NOT slip off

beam me onto a borg ship and they’d have about half an hour before the thing exploded.

wookiemeister said:

the person drilling the hole had obviously no experience of drilling a hole

with such a smooth surface you need to use a punch to make an indent for the head of the drill to sit into and NOT slip off

beam me onto a borg ship and they’d have about half an hour before the thing exploded.

Wot are u dribbling about?

the bounce of the drill has come about because of zero gravity , you can’t as much purchase on the drill

personally i would have used a smaller drill bit and put it somewhere hidden as to hinder discovery.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

the person drilling the hole had obviously no experience of drilling a hole

with such a smooth surface you need to use a punch to make an indent for the head of the drill to sit into and NOT slip off

beam me onto a borg ship and they’d have about half an hour before the thing exploded.

Wot are u dribbling about?

drilling holes you tart

i used to work in one place where some character had gone nuts and went about the place a few years before me sabotaging the place, i’d discover damage in strange places that was the most inconveniently damaged. the fellah would set off alarms just before home time by shutting or opening valves.

wookiemeister said:

the bounce of the drill has come about because of zero gravity , you can’t as much purchase on the drill

personally i would have used a smaller drill bit and put it somewhere hidden as to hinder discovery.

Ta. So drilled in zero Gee. Probabily.

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

the bounce of the drill has come about because of zero gravity , you can’t as much purchase on the drill

personally i would have used a smaller drill bit and put it somewhere hidden as to hinder discovery.

Ta. So drilled in zero Gee. Probabily.

a tradesman working on something would almost always use a punch before drilling – this is an attempt by a handyman with no experience ruling out anyone with experience with tools.

if i wanted to sabotage something by drilling a hole through it i’d use a special cobalt alloy drill bit that will chew through almost anything very quickly

my weapon of choice would be this

small hole, sharp, hard drill bit, quick drill.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/sutton-tools-1-0mm-stainless-steel-inox-drill-bit_p6350718

probably done on earth. typical drill wander on smooth metal.

Bogsnorkler said:

probably done on earth. typical drill wander on smooth metal.

not by anyone who knows what they are doing

if you are hard core you use the drill bit as the punch then use the drill

wookiemeister said:

Bogsnorkler said:

probably done on earth. typical drill wander on smooth metal.

not by anyone who knows what they are doing

LOL, so?

Didn’t know about this before. A but boring but … This website always shows what Hubble is looking at in real time.

http://spacetelescopelive.org

Currently at a very distant galaxy cluster. So distant that it almost looks like a single star.

Bogsnorkler said:

wookiemeister said:

Bogsnorkler said:

probably done on earth. typical drill wander on smooth metal.

not by anyone who knows what they are doing

LOL, so?

its identifying the saboteur by deduction

you might mask the drilling by timing the drill with something noisy – like a toilet ?

you’d need to examine whats behind the hole, hot pieces of metal will have fallen onto the painted surfaces if it was under gravity.

a leak would have been noticed ages ago , this is an original section of the station suggesting it was made earlier, astronauts would have noticed this ages ago.

Ive seen people drill (and screw!) through second panels (that is, on the other side of a void, behind something they were meant to be drilling) by accident.

One minute you’re fitting a fire extinguisher bracket to an internal panel, next minute you’re getting sucked out into space through a 3/16th hole.

Rule 303 said:

Ive seen people drill (and screw!) through second panels (that is, on the other side of a void, behind something they were meant to be drilling) by accident.

One minute you’re fitting a fire extinguisher bracket to an internal panel, next minute you’re getting sucked out into space through a 3/16th hole.

do they allow non-metric things into the ISS/

wookiemeister said:

… this is an original section of the station suggesting it was made earlier, astronauts would have noticed this ages ago.

no, it isn’t.

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Ive seen people drill (and screw!) through second panels (that is, on the other side of a void, behind something they were meant to be drilling) by accident.

One minute you’re fitting a fire extinguisher bracket to an internal panel, next minute you’re getting sucked out into space through a 3/16th hole.

do they allow non-metric things into the ISS/

no, because that is how you crash into Mars.

Bogsnorkler said:

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Ive seen people drill (and screw!) through second panels (that is, on the other side of a void, behind something they were meant to be drilling) by accident.

One minute you’re fitting a fire extinguisher bracket to an internal panel, next minute you’re getting sucked out into space through a 3/16th hole.

do they allow non-metric things into the ISS/

no, because that is how you crash into Mars.

Hehe.

Rule 303 said:

Ive seen people drill (and screw!) through second panels (that is, on the other side of a void, behind something they were meant to be drilling) by accident.

One minute you’re fitting a fire extinguisher bracket to an internal panel, next minute you’re getting sucked out into space through a 3/16th hole.

the drill has bounced multiple times before finding a place to cut through, no material infront of the hole that was drilled

party_pants said:

Rule 303 said:

Ive seen people drill (and screw!) through second panels (that is, on the other side of a void, behind something they were meant to be drilling) by accident.

One minute you’re fitting a fire extinguisher bracket to an internal panel, next minute you’re getting sucked out into space through a 3/16th hole.

do they allow non-metric things into the ISS/

Interesting question. According to the web, NASA went metric in 2007. All the other space agencies were already metric.

sabotage

wookiemeister said:

Rule 303 said:

Ive seen people drill (and screw!) through second panels (that is, on the other side of a void, behind something they were meant to be drilling) by accident.

One minute you’re fitting a fire extinguisher bracket to an internal panel, next minute you’re getting sucked out into space through a 3/16th hole.

the drill has bounced multiple times before finding a place to cut through, no material infront of the hole that was drilled

Vodka is the natural enemy of the power drill.

NASA astronauts waiting on the International Space Station are ‘not stranded’, Boeing says

Sure, no worries, 20 years

NASA says there is no rush for the pair to leave, with plenty of supplies available for them as well as the ISS’s seven semi-permanent astronauts, who each spend about six months on board.

ago they also

The impact appears to be totally on the lower surface and no particles are seen to traverse over the upper surface of the wing. Experts have reviewed the high speed photography and there is no concern for RCC or tile damage. We have seen this same phenomenon on several other flights and there is absolutely no concern for entry.: 159 

said this kind of thing.