https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/

As much as this article points to fat people being not necessarily unhealthy my mind keeps on saying.. Yeah but. Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming? I have been fat shamed all my life. My mother was concerned about my weight. She was 6 and half stone when she married my father. She kept on telling me. In my teenage years I dieted. I got down to 7 and half stone. (height 5’6”) I thought I was fat still. So did my mother. A few years ago I asked my sister whether she thought my mother might have an anorexic and she was like…derrr.

I remember having one boyfriend that cut my belts down so if I put on any weight I couldn’t let them out a notch. I was a size 11 then.

So..I am fat now. But nobody ‘loves’ me enough to say so. And I am probably an unhealthy type of fat now. That round the middle sort of fat.

Not like Uncle Ian who spent 6 and 1/2 hours on the operating table while they tried to find his appendix.(27 stone) and not like my father (17 and half stone and as strong as an ox.)

Luckily I am not looking for a job.

So that is my internalising of this article.

Another part of me reads this and thinks that fat people would buy this to feel better. Nice marketing. Yet some of the stories read true.

Of course my thread title is wrong. I meant that.

> Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming?

Everybody is. Even anorexics.

mollwollfumble said:

> Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming?

Everybody is. Even anorexics.

Especially anorexics.

1. It’s huffingtonpost.
2. There should be comma between “obesity” and “ is”.
3. Special interest groups will defend their special interests.
4. It’s easier to defend your special interest than to change it.
5. Worms. Just get worms.

sarahs mum said:

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/

As much as this article points to fat people being not necessarily unhealthy my mind keeps on saying.. Yeah but. Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming? I have been fat shamed all my life. My mother was concerned about my weight. She was 6 and half stone when she married my father. She kept on telling me. In my teenage years I dieted. I got down to 7 and half stone. (height 5’6”) I thought I was fat still. So did my mother. A few years ago I asked my sister whether she thought my mother might have an anorexic and she was like…derrr.

I remember having one boyfriend that cut my belts down so if I put on any weight I couldn’t let them out a notch. I was a size 11 then.

So..I am fat now. But nobody ‘loves’ me enough to say so. And I am probably an unhealthy type of fat now. That round the middle sort of fat.

Not like Uncle Ian who spent 6 and 1/2 hours on the operating table while they tried to find his appendix.(27 stone) and not like my father (17 and half stone and as strong as an ox.)

Luckily I am not looking for a job.

So that is my internalising of this article.

Another part of me reads this and thinks that fat people would buy this to feel better. Nice marketing. Yet some of the stories read true.

Of course my thread title is wrong. I meant that.

Global Obesity ?

Imagine all the food wasted on obesity globally.

How many tones of food worldwide does obesity add up to?

mollwollfumble said:

> Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming?

Everybody is. Even anorexics.

burp

Not me.

and

if there are things you intend / wish / like / should / would otherwise be doing, but cannot as a consequence of having a condition, then it is reasonable to consider that the condition might be problematic

“Ask almost any fat person about her interactions with the health care system and you will hear a story, sometimes three, the same as Enneking’s: rolled eyes, skeptical questions, treatments denied or delayed or revoked. “

When my hernias started showing themselves, the doctor told me I had to lose at least 20 kg before I could be operated on. I got about 15 kg off several times. When my umbilical hernia kept popping out, they had no trouble operating on me despite the weight.

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/

As much as this article points to fat people being not necessarily unhealthy my mind keeps on saying.. Yeah but. Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming? I have been fat shamed all my life. My mother was concerned about my weight. She was 6 and half stone when she married my father. She kept on telling me. In my teenage years I dieted. I got down to 7 and half stone. (height 5’6”) I thought I was fat still. So did my mother. A few years ago I asked my sister whether she thought my mother might have an anorexic and she was like…derrr.

I remember having one boyfriend that cut my belts down so if I put on any weight I couldn’t let them out a notch. I was a size 11 then.

So..I am fat now. But nobody ‘loves’ me enough to say so. And I am probably an unhealthy type of fat now. That round the middle sort of fat.

Not like Uncle Ian who spent 6 and 1/2 hours on the operating table while they tried to find his appendix.(27 stone) and not like my father (17 and half stone and as strong as an ox.)

Luckily I am not looking for a job.

So that is my internalising of this article.

Another part of me reads this and thinks that fat people would buy this to feel better. Nice marketing. Yet some of the stories read true.

Of course my thread title is wrong. I meant that.

Global Obesity ?

Imagine all the food wasted on obesity globally.

How many tones of food worldwide does obesity add up to?

0

I don’t eat fat people, sorry.

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/

As much as this article points to fat people being not necessarily unhealthy my mind keeps on saying.. Yeah but. Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming? I have been fat shamed all my life. My mother was concerned about my weight. She was 6 and half stone when she married my father. She kept on telling me. In my teenage years I dieted. I got down to 7 and half stone. (height 5’6”) I thought I was fat still. So did my mother. A few years ago I asked my sister whether she thought my mother might have an anorexic and she was like…derrr.

I remember having one boyfriend that cut my belts down so if I put on any weight I couldn’t let them out a notch. I was a size 11 then.

So..I am fat now. But nobody ‘loves’ me enough to say so. And I am probably an unhealthy type of fat now. That round the middle sort of fat.

Not like Uncle Ian who spent 6 and 1/2 hours on the operating table while they tried to find his appendix.(27 stone) and not like my father (17 and half stone and as strong as an ox.)

Luckily I am not looking for a job.

So that is my internalising of this article.

Another part of me reads this and thinks that fat people would buy this to feel better. Nice marketing. Yet some of the stories read true.

Of course my thread title is wrong. I meant that.

Global Obesity ?

Imagine all the food wasted on obesity globally.

How many tones of food worldwide does obesity add up to?

Enough to feed the starving population ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/

As much as this article points to fat people being not necessarily unhealthy my mind keeps on saying.. Yeah but. Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming? I have been fat shamed all my life. My mother was concerned about my weight. She was 6 and half stone when she married my father. She kept on telling me. In my teenage years I dieted. I got down to 7 and half stone. (height 5’6”) I thought I was fat still. So did my mother. A few years ago I asked my sister whether she thought my mother might have an anorexic and she was like…derrr.

I remember having one boyfriend that cut my belts down so if I put on any weight I couldn’t let them out a notch. I was a size 11 then.

So..I am fat now. But nobody ‘loves’ me enough to say so. And I am probably an unhealthy type of fat now. That round the middle sort of fat.

Not like Uncle Ian who spent 6 and 1/2 hours on the operating table while they tried to find his appendix.(27 stone) and not like my father (17 and half stone and as strong as an ox.)

Luckily I am not looking for a job.

So that is my internalising of this article.

Another part of me reads this and thinks that fat people would buy this to feel better. Nice marketing. Yet some of the stories read true.

Of course my thread title is wrong. I meant that.

Global Obesity ?

Imagine all the food wasted on obesity globally.

How many tones of food worldwide does obesity add up to?

It does stop it from being wasted. Imagine the food waste numbers if we didn’t eat that bit extra…

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/

As much as this article points to fat people being not necessarily unhealthy my mind keeps on saying.. Yeah but. Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming? I have been fat shamed all my life. My mother was concerned about my weight. She was 6 and half stone when she married my father. She kept on telling me. In my teenage years I dieted. I got down to 7 and half stone. (height 5’6”) I thought I was fat still. So did my mother. A few years ago I asked my sister whether she thought my mother might have an anorexic and she was like…derrr.

I remember having one boyfriend that cut my belts down so if I put on any weight I couldn’t let them out a notch. I was a size 11 then.

So..I am fat now. But nobody ‘loves’ me enough to say so. And I am probably an unhealthy type of fat now. That round the middle sort of fat.

Not like Uncle Ian who spent 6 and 1/2 hours on the operating table while they tried to find his appendix.(27 stone) and not like my father (17 and half stone and as strong as an ox.)

Luckily I am not looking for a job.

So that is my internalising of this article.

Another part of me reads this and thinks that fat people would buy this to feel better. Nice marketing. Yet some of the stories read true.

Of course my thread title is wrong. I meant that.

Global Obesity ?

Imagine all the food wasted on obesity globally.

How many tones of food worldwide does obesity add up to?

0

I don’t eat fat people, sorry.

Lions would catch them.

Tau.Neutrino said:

SCIENCE said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Global Obesity ?

Imagine all the food wasted on obesity globally.

How many tones of food worldwide does obesity add up to?

0

I don’t eat fat people, sorry.

Lions would catch them.

then naturally humans would evolve an aversion to being fat

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

sarahs mum said:

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/

As much as this article points to fat people being not necessarily unhealthy my mind keeps on saying.. Yeah but. Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming? I have been fat shamed all my life. My mother was concerned about my weight. She was 6 and half stone when she married my father. She kept on telling me. In my teenage years I dieted. I got down to 7 and half stone. (height 5’6”) I thought I was fat still. So did my mother. A few years ago I asked my sister whether she thought my mother might have an anorexic and she was like…derrr.

I remember having one boyfriend that cut my belts down so if I put on any weight I couldn’t let them out a notch. I was a size 11 then.

So..I am fat now. But nobody ‘loves’ me enough to say so. And I am probably an unhealthy type of fat now. That round the middle sort of fat.

Not like Uncle Ian who spent 6 and 1/2 hours on the operating table while they tried to find his appendix.(27 stone) and not like my father (17 and half stone and as strong as an ox.)

Luckily I am not looking for a job.

So that is my internalising of this article.

Another part of me reads this and thinks that fat people would buy this to feel better. Nice marketing. Yet some of the stories read true.

Of course my thread title is wrong. I meant that.

Global Obesity ?

Imagine all the food wasted on obesity globally.

How many tones of food worldwide does obesity add up to?

It does stop it from being wasted. Imagine the food waste numbers if we didn’t eat that bit extra…

I was wondering how many tonnes of food could be saved if people just ate normally and didn’t get obese.

Interestingly, when we went to Sri Lanka during of the civil war years, everybody was skinny. I only saw one fat belly. Last year (17 years later): fat bellies everywhere. And I mean everywhere. Very few thin people.

Michael V said:

Interestingly, when we went to Sri Lanka during of the civil war years, everybody was skinny. I only saw one fat belly. Last year (17 years later): fat bellies everywhere. And I mean everywhere. Very few thin people.

I did notice the article didn’t really talk about fat and sugar.

What are the top 10 foods obese people eat ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

What are the top 10 foods obese people eat ?

popular cola drinks.

I think the language around food is wrong. Why is it we like to eat “junk food”?

Because it isn’t junk. It’s usually energy dense food. And we’ve evolved to like the taste of energy dense foods. Most of the time during our evolution, all we had to eat was leafy greens.

>I have never written a story where so many of my sources cried during interviews, where they shook with anger describing their interactions with doctors and strangers and their own families.<

Hmm, I’ve been fat for years, and I’ve never received any adverse comment about it from doctors, strangers or my own family.

Mind you I wasn’t overweight at all in my childhood and youth, so that doubtless makes a difference.

I get a bit of teasing about my weight in the forum but that’s more due to my frequent announcement of “diets” which then don’t really do much because I don’t stick to them.

Bubblecar said:

>I have never written a story where so many of my sources cried during interviews, where they shook with anger describing their interactions with doctors and strangers and their own families.<

Hmm, I’ve been fat for years, and I’ve never received any adverse comment about it from doctors, strangers or my own family.

Mind you I wasn’t overweight at all in my childhood and youth, so that doubtless makes a difference.

I get a bit of teasing about my weight in the forum but that’s more due to my frequent announcement of “diets” which then don’t really do much because I don’t stick to them.

Every time I go to the doctor she says I am looking good.

I think this is a ploy.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

>I have never written a story where so many of my sources cried during interviews, where they shook with anger describing their interactions with doctors and strangers and their own families.<

Hmm, I’ve been fat for years, and I’ve never received any adverse comment about it from doctors, strangers or my own family.

Mind you I wasn’t overweight at all in my childhood and youth, so that doubtless makes a difference.

I get a bit of teasing about my weight in the forum but that’s more due to my frequent announcement of “diets” which then don’t really do much because I don’t stick to them.

Every time I go to the doctor she says I am looking good.

I think this is a ploy.

My doctor is fat :)

Michael V said:

I think the language around food is wrong. Why is it we like to eat “junk food”?

Because it isn’t junk. It’s usually energy dense food. And we’ve evolved to like the taste of energy dense foods. Most of the time during our evolution, all we had to eat was leafy greens.

…and sweet fucking potatoes.

Bubblecar said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

>I have never written a story where so many of my sources cried during interviews, where they shook with anger describing their interactions with doctors and strangers and their own families.<

Hmm, I’ve been fat for years, and I’ve never received any adverse comment about it from doctors, strangers or my own family.

Mind you I wasn’t overweight at all in my childhood and youth, so that doubtless makes a difference.

I get a bit of teasing about my weight in the forum but that’s more due to my frequent announcement of “diets” which then don’t really do much because I don’t stick to them.

Every time I go to the doctor she says I am looking good.

I think this is a ploy.

My doctor is fat :)

:)

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Interestingly, when we went to Sri Lanka during of the civil war years, everybody was skinny. I only saw one fat belly. Last year (17 years later): fat bellies everywhere. And I mean everywhere. Very few thin people.

I did notice the article didn’t really talk about fat and sugar.

People were skinny when I worked in Jamaica. Most of them. Mostly the poorer people. Eating sugar cane was something most everyone did, most of the time. I lost 10 kg there in 2 months. Eating locally (but not eating cane). Haven’t worked out why yet. Maybe breadfruit? Ate lots of breadfruit at the mine. Very very filling. Very very low energy. But I still ate Jerk Pork from the local vendor, In large quantities three nights a week. Because it was so luscious.

Oh, and I lost weight on the first trip to Sri Lanka. 2 weeks, lost 8 kg. Ate like a pig. And I mean it. Three-course breakfasts. Curry puffs and sweet masalas for lunch. Fish ambulthial at breakfast (and dinner sometimes). A lot of fish ambulthial. And a lot of katta sambol. Sour plantain and other tropical fruit for breakfast. Whole fruit. Several.

This time, I put on 10 kg in three weeks. Not much fish ambulthial. In fact only one meal of it. Still lots of katta sambol. This time, mostly the fruit was pre-cut at breakfast. Very little sour plantain at breakfast. Mostly different (and sweeter) banana.

Bubblecar said:

>I have never written a story where so many of my sources cried during interviews, where they shook with anger describing their interactions with doctors and strangers and their own families.<

Hmm, I’ve been fat for years, and I’ve never received any adverse comment about it from doctors, strangers or my own family.

Mind you I wasn’t overweight at all in my childhood and youth, so that doubtless makes a difference.

I get a bit of teasing about my weight in the forum but that’s more due to my frequent announcement of “diets” which then don’t really do much because I don’t stick to them.

The photo I put up of me with Miss Livingstone at the Wagga court house recently shows me as quite a thin lad. Not skinny though. I was teased as a “fatty” back then. (I can’t put it up again, because the digital version died with that computer, and the photo is back in its place and it’s late and I don’t want to disturb Mrs V’s sleep.)

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

>I have never written a story where so many of my sources cried during interviews, where they shook with anger describing their interactions with doctors and strangers and their own families.<

Hmm, I’ve been fat for years, and I’ve never received any adverse comment about it from doctors, strangers or my own family.

Mind you I wasn’t overweight at all in my childhood and youth, so that doubtless makes a difference.

I get a bit of teasing about my weight in the forum but that’s more due to my frequent announcement of “diets” which then don’t really do much because I don’t stick to them.

Every time I go to the doctor she says I am looking good.

I think this is a ploy.

I don’t remember you as fat, sm.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

I think the language around food is wrong. Why is it we like to eat “junk food”?

Because it isn’t junk. It’s usually energy dense food. And we’ve evolved to like the taste of energy dense foods. Most of the time during our evolution, all we had to eat was leafy greens.

…and sweet fucking potatoes.

Us white-fellas only got those (and Irish potatoes), (and chillis), after Europeans invaded South America.

I fail to see what the problem you have is. I mean they don’t taste like rotten fish, and every culture has rotten fish.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

>I have never written a story where so many of my sources cried during interviews, where they shook with anger describing their interactions with doctors and strangers and their own families.<

Hmm, I’ve been fat for years, and I’ve never received any adverse comment about it from doctors, strangers or my own family.

Mind you I wasn’t overweight at all in my childhood and youth, so that doubtless makes a difference.

I get a bit of teasing about my weight in the forum but that’s more due to my frequent announcement of “diets” which then don’t really do much because I don’t stick to them.

Every time I go to the doctor she says I am looking good.

I think this is a ploy.

I don’t remember you as fat, sm.

My weight has gone up since I finished uni and since Brett left. I am still in the fat range. I haven’t hit obese. Yet.

Oh, I forgot about East Africa.

When in East Africa just a few years back, virtually everyone was thin to skinny. Interestingly, we kept seeing people (often people in their prime) asleep on the side of roads. Even dirt roads – passing vehicles covering them with dust. It took a while for the penny to drop. These people didn’t have enough energy to get through the day. The lack of quality food made them tired.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Every time I go to the doctor she says I am looking good.

I think this is a ploy.

I don’t remember you as fat, sm.

My weight has gone up since I finished uni and since Brett left. I am still in the fat range. I haven’t hit obese. Yet.

I’d be kidding myself if it said I hadn’t reached obese. I’m the heaviest I’ve ever been. 101.7 kg this morning. I got to 100 kg when I was 36, but have only approached that since. Now I’m over…

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

I don’t remember you as fat, sm.

My weight has gone up since I finished uni and since Brett left. I am still in the fat range. I haven’t hit obese. Yet.

I’d be kidding myself if it said I hadn’t reached obese. I’m the heaviest I’ve ever been. 101.7 kg this morning. I got to 100 kg when I was 36, but have only approached that since. Now I’m over…

I’m afraid to weigh myself.

How tall are you, Michael?

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

My weight has gone up since I finished uni and since Brett left. I am still in the fat range. I haven’t hit obese. Yet.

I’d be kidding myself if it said I hadn’t reached obese. I’m the heaviest I’ve ever been. 101.7 kg this morning. I got to 100 kg when I was 36, but have only approached that since. Now I’m over…

I’m afraid to weigh myself.

I weigh and record daily. Along with blood pressure. And EtOh consumption. In the hope I can something about these things.

btm said:

How tall are you, Michael?

Too short to be 102 kg. I’m not sure. 177cm? 173 cm? I was taller at 25 and 59 kg.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

I don’t remember you as fat, sm.

My weight has gone up since I finished uni and since Brett left. I am still in the fat range. I haven’t hit obese. Yet.

I’d be kidding myself if it said I hadn’t reached obese. I’m the heaviest I’ve ever been. 101.7 kg this morning. I got to 100 kg when I was 36, but have only approached that since. Now I’m over…

Hmm, I’m over 115. Svelte, that’s what I call myself :)

I’m 183 cm, broad, beefy sort of build and currently weigh about 118kg. Most of the excess is on my paunch.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

My weight has gone up since I finished uni and since Brett left. I am still in the fat range. I haven’t hit obese. Yet.

I’d be kidding myself if it said I hadn’t reached obese. I’m the heaviest I’ve ever been. 101.7 kg this morning. I got to 100 kg when I was 36, but have only approached that since. Now I’m over…

Hmm, I’m over 115. Svelte, that’s what I call myself :)

My son is heavier than I. By quite a bit. But then he’s taller than I. By quite a bit. And he’s not fat – he plays grade soccer.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

>I have never written a story where so many of my sources cried during interviews, where they shook with anger describing their interactions with doctors and strangers and their own families.<

Hmm, I’ve been fat for years, and I’ve never received any adverse comment about it from doctors, strangers or my own family.

Mind you I wasn’t overweight at all in my childhood and youth, so that doubtless makes a difference.

I get a bit of teasing about my weight in the forum but that’s more due to my frequent announcement of “diets” which then don’t really do much because I don’t stick to them.

Every time I go to the doctor she says I am looking good.

I think this is a ploy.

I don’t remember you as fat, sm.

Actually that was a nice thing to say to me. Ta.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

I’d be kidding myself if it said I hadn’t reached obese. I’m the heaviest I’ve ever been. 101.7 kg this morning. I got to 100 kg when I was 36, but have only approached that since. Now I’m over…

Hmm, I’m over 115. Svelte, that’s what I call myself :)

My son is heavier than I. By quite a bit. But then he’s taller than I. By quite a bit. And he’s not fat – he plays grade soccer.

He’s 194 cm.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Hmm, I’m over 115. Svelte, that’s what I call myself :)

My son is heavier than I. By quite a bit. But then he’s taller than I. By quite a bit. And he’s not fat – he plays grade soccer.

He’s 194 cm.

I thought my passport would tell me how tall I am. I remember having to get measured and the form being filled out. Not so. Not recorded in my passport (nor the previous two).

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

My son is heavier than I. By quite a bit. But then he’s taller than I. By quite a bit. And he’s not fat – he plays grade soccer.

He’s 194 cm.

I thought my passport would tell me how tall I am. I remember having to get measured and the form being filled out. Not so. Not recorded in my passport (nor the previous two).

As close as I can measure, I’m 174 cm tall.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

He’s 194 cm.

I thought my passport would tell me how tall I am. I remember having to get measured and the form being filled out. Not so. Not recorded in my passport (nor the previous two).

As close as I can measure, I’m 174 cm tall.

No wonder Matthew seems so tall. He’s 20 cm (8” – a hand span) taller than me.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

I thought my passport would tell me how tall I am. I remember having to get measured and the form being filled out. Not so. Not recorded in my passport (nor the previous two).

As close as I can measure, I’m 174 cm tall.

No wonder Matthew seems so tall. He’s 20 cm (8” – a hand span) taller than me.

I think you are guessing wrongly.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

As close as I can measure, I’m 174 cm tall.

No wonder Matthew seems so tall. He’s 20 cm (8” – a hand span) taller than me.

I think you are guessing wrongly.

Guessing what?

“The physician pointed out her body fat on the MRI, then said, “Look at that skinny woman in there trying to get out.””

Reminds me of the old thing I read on jamaians.com years ago, when I came back from working there and needed to keep in touch.

“Inside me is a skinny person screaming to get out. I feed them chocolate biscuits to stop the noise.”

Michael V said:

“The physician pointed out her body fat on the MRI, then said, “Look at that skinny woman in there trying to get out.””

Reminds me of the old thing I read on jamaians.com years ago, when I came back from working there and needed to keep in touch.

“Inside me is a skinny person screaming to get out. I feed them chocolate biscuits to stop the noise.”

Hehehehe

Apples, oranges…

“Plus, rather obviously, smoking is a behaviour; being fat is not.”

Overeating and under exercising are behaviours though.

Lung cancer and emphysema are not.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

No wonder Matthew seems so tall. He’s 20 cm (8” – a hand span) taller than me.

I think you are guessing wrongly.

Guessing what?

If he is less than 6 foot and you are 8 inches shorter you are less than 5 foot four.

And I don’t remember you being a lot shorter than I.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I think you are guessing wrongly.

Guessing what?

If he is less than 6 foot and you are 8 inches shorter you are less than 5 foot four.

And I don’t remember you being a lot shorter than I.

Matthew’s 194 cm – roughly 6’4”.

I’m 174 cm – roughly 5’8”

8” between us.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

Guessing what?

If he is less than 6 foot and you are 8 inches shorter you are less than 5 foot four.

And I don’t remember you being a lot shorter than I.

Matthew’s 194 cm – roughly 6’4”.

I’m 174 cm – roughly 5’8”

8” between us.

right. I was wrong. Carry on.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

If he is less than 6 foot and you are 8 inches shorter you are less than 5 foot four.

And I don’t remember you being a lot shorter than I.

Matthew’s 194 cm – roughly 6’4”.

I’m 174 cm – roughly 5’8”

8” between us.

right. I was wrong. Carry on.

I’m a tiny bit over 6 ft (183.5cm).

“The relationship between obesity and diabetes is of such interdependence that the term ‘diabesity’ has been coined.” Some scholar.

Because I am seeing a new haemotologist for my HH she decided to do a full work up. Told me to go and see a “liver man” (gastroenterologist). Iron overload results in liver damage along with alcohol and obesity. He said I was doing ok but to lose more weight. His parting comment was that there huge wave of liver cancer coming down the line in the US of A purely because of all the obesity.

But I feel vastly reassured now.

Ian said:

“The relationship between obesity and diabetes is of such interdependence that the term ‘diabesity’ has been coined.” Some scholar.

Because I am seeing a new haemotologist for my HH she decided to do a full work up. Told me to go and see a “liver man” (gastroenterologist). Iron overload results in liver damage along with alcohol and obesity. He said I was doing ok but to lose more weight. His parting comment was that there huge wave of liver cancer coming down the line in the US of A purely because of all the obesity.

But I feel vastly reassured now.

HH?

Ian said:

“The relationship between obesity and diabetes is of such interdependence that the term ‘diabesity’ has been coined.” Some scholar.

Because I am seeing a new haemotologist for my HH she decided to do a full work up. Told me to go and see a “liver man” (gastroenterologist). Iron overload results in liver damage along with alcohol and obesity. He said I was doing ok but to lose more weight. His parting comment was that there huge wave of liver cancer coming down the line in the US of A purely because of all the obesity.

But I feel vastly reassured now.

Hey Zeuss!

You’re not fat. Not that I remember anyway.

Michael V said:

Ian said:

“The relationship between obesity and diabetes is of such interdependence that the term ‘diabesity’ has been coined.” Some scholar.

Because I am seeing a new haemotologist for my HH she decided to do a full work up. Told me to go and see a “liver man” (gastroenterologist). Iron overload results in liver damage along with alcohol and obesity. He said I was doing ok but to lose more weight. His parting comment was that there huge wave of liver cancer coming down the line in the US of A purely because of all the obesity.

But I feel vastly reassured now.

HH?

hereditary haemochromatosis

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Ian said:

“The relationship between obesity and diabetes is of such interdependence that the term ‘diabesity’ has been coined.” Some scholar.

Because I am seeing a new haemotologist for my HH she decided to do a full work up. Told me to go and see a “liver man” (gastroenterologist). Iron overload results in liver damage along with alcohol and obesity. He said I was doing ok but to lose more weight. His parting comment was that there huge wave of liver cancer coming down the line in the US of A purely because of all the obesity.

But I feel vastly reassured now.

HH?

hereditary haemochromatosis

Huh!

I thought blood donations regularly was the best thing for that. Am I wrong? (Somebody else on the old sssf had haemochromatosis.)

Michael V said:

Ian said:

Michael V said:

HH?

hereditary haemochromatosis

Huh!

I thought blood donations regularly was the best thing for that. Am I wrong? (Somebody else on the old sssf had haemochromatosis.)

Yeah iron stores are easily controlled but beyond that the medicos always bang on about alcohol consumption and overweight.. very boring

Ian said:

Michael V said:

Ian said:

hereditary haemochromatosis

Huh!

I thought blood donations regularly was the best thing for that. Am I wrong? (Somebody else on the old sssf had haemochromatosis.)

Yeah iron stores are easily controlled but beyond that the medicos always bang on about alcohol consumption and overweight.. very boring

Yeah, they tend to do that.

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Every time I go to the doctor she says I am looking good.

I think this is a ploy.

I don’t remember you as fat, sm.

Actually that was a nice thing to say to me. Ta.

But neither do I remember you as fat. And I’ve seen you quite recently.

“As early as 1969, research showed that losing just 3 percent of your body weight resulted in a 17 percent slowdown in your metabolism”

I wonder how that curve continues. I’ve lost 27% of my body weight: I assume I have not lost 153% of metabolic rate.

The article ignores a lot.

Being hyperobese really will stop you from doing a lot of things: not because of shame or attitude or self esteem but just because of physics and spatial dimensions. Millions of people have come back from obesity, and it will involve a change of diet.

Also to say “And the medical community’s primary response to this shift has been to blame fat people for being fat” is false. Obviously if you’re a GP advising a patient you have to focus on things the patient can change, but the medical community lobbies for social and political change to combat obesity: sugar taxes, simpler calorific labelling, early education on nutrition etc.

I should add up front that nobody has bothered to find out how much men and women should weigh as a function of age, not among people unaffected by the food restrictions of WW II. All the big studies of age-related weight were done in the late 1940s and early 1950s.

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What are the top 10 foods obese people eat ?

popular cola drinks.

Chocolate, chocolate, chocolate, chocolate …
I’ve noticed a direct one-to-one correlation between obesity and chocolate intake.

> How many tons of food worldwide does obesity add up to?

According to the FAO, 10.8% of the the world population is now undernourished, down from 18.6% in 1990.

One of the realisations of Todd Sampson while living among the bushmen was how little food is necessary to survive on.

Also according to the FAO, world average protein food intake is about 2.4 times that recommended for survival. Average world food energy intake is 2900 kcal per person per day. Amount recommended for survival is unstated, but is certainly less than the world average in the year 1961, which was 2200 kcal per person per day. The NHS recommends 2500 kcal per person per day for men and 2000 kcal per person for day for women. Isn’t that sexist?

There’s 1.3 billion tonnes of food produced per year. So obesity adds up to roughly 22% of that, or more. Say 300 million tons per year.

mollwollfumble said:

I should add up front that nobody has bothered to find out how much men and women should weigh as a function of age, not among people unaffected by the food restrictions of WW II. All the big studies of age-related weight were done in the late 1940s and early 1950s.

sarahs mum said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

What are the top 10 foods obese people eat ?

popular cola drinks.

Chocolate, chocolate, chocolate, chocolate …
I’ve noticed a direct one-to-one correlation between obesity and chocolate intake.

> How many tons of food worldwide does obesity add up to?

According to the FAO, 10.8% of the the world population is now undernourished, down from 18.6% in 1990.

One of the realisations of Todd Sampson while living among the bushmen was how little food is necessary to survive on.

Also according to the FAO, world average protein food intake is about 2.4 times that recommended for survival. Average world food energy intake is 2900 kcal per person per day. Amount recommended for survival is unstated, but is certainly less than the world average in the year 1961, which was 2200 kcal per person per day. The NHS recommends 2500 kcal per person per day for men and 2000 kcal per person for day for women. Isn’t that sexist?

There’s 1.3 billion tonnes of food produced per year. So obesity adds up to roughly 22% of that, or more. Say 300 million tons per year.

When you say food produced, how much of this food is in reality junk?

roughbarked said:

When you say food produced, how much of this food is in reality junk?

Define “junk”?

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

When you say food produced, how much of this food is in reality junk?

Define “junk”?

Processed, full of fat, sugar and additives.

Would taxing people for being over weight work ?

Runs away.

dv said:

Also to say “And the medical community’s primary response to this shift has been to blame fat people for being fat” is false. Obviously if you’re a GP advising a patient you have to focus on things the patient can change, but the medical community lobbies for social and political change to combat obesity: sugar taxes, simpler calorific labelling, early education on nutrition etc.

Do sugar taxes and early education actually work though? McDonalds isn’t cheap yet is the most popular brand of fast food in Australia. Early education is great. There are “sometimes foods” and “everyday foods”. But as an adult, what is influencing the choices to eat unhealthy foods? Ads tell us everyone is busy. Are we? Or are we addicted to convenience? Are we just lazy? Do we not know how to cook? Healthy food is not expensive: seasonal fruits and veg are quite cheap (not withstanding drought, cyclones etc which affect food prices). Canned and frozen foods are picked and frozen quickly and within peak ripeness, and those are cheap with few (if any) harmful additives. I don’t think the answer is a sugar tax. People pay premiums for convenience food.

Simpler labelling is one of the key solutions. Many foods we think are healthy are not. For example, a low fat yoghurt is full of sugar. Muesli bars and cereals are packed with whole grains… and sugar. General misinformation is a big problem eg cancer only forms in acidic bodies or a juice cleanse is healthy. Better labelling and more transparent labelling is part of the solution, if people actually read labels.

dv said:

“As early as 1969, research showed that losing just 3 percent of your body weight resulted in a 17 percent slowdown in your metabolism”

I wonder how that curve continues. I’ve lost 27% of my body weight: I assume I have not lost 153% of metabolic rate.

The article ignores a lot.

Being hyperobese really will stop you from doing a lot of things: not because of shame or attitude or self esteem but just because of physics and spatial dimensions. Millions of people have come back from obesity, and it will involve a change of diet.

Also to say “And the medical community’s primary response to this shift has been to blame fat people for being fat” is false. Obviously if you’re a GP advising a patient you have to focus on things the patient can change, but the medical community lobbies for social and political change to combat obesity: sugar taxes, simpler calorific labelling, early education on nutrition etc.

American Biggest Loser participants reduction in metabolic rate, apparently.

Journal Article

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

When you say food produced, how much of this food is in reality junk?

Define “junk”?

I was asking because there is a lot of food on shelves which is junk but described as food. The stuff kills people rather than nourishes them. Yet it is defined as food.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Also to say “And the medical community’s primary response to this shift has been to blame fat people for being fat” is false. Obviously if you’re a GP advising a patient you have to focus on things the patient can change, but the medical community lobbies for social and political change to combat obesity: sugar taxes, simpler calorific labelling, early education on nutrition etc.

Do sugar taxes and early education actually work though? McDonalds isn’t cheap yet is the most popular brand of fast food in Australia. Early education is great. There are “sometimes foods” and “everyday foods”. But as an adult, what is influencing the choices to eat unhealthy foods? Ads tell us everyone is busy. Are we? Or are we addicted to convenience? Are we just lazy? Do we not know how to cook? Healthy food is not expensive: seasonal fruits and veg are quite cheap (not withstanding drought, cyclones etc which affect food prices). Canned and frozen foods are picked and frozen quickly and within peak ripeness, and those are cheap with few (if any) harmful additives. I don’t think the answer is a sugar tax. People pay premiums for convenience food.

Simpler labelling is one of the key solutions. Many foods we think are healthy are not. For example, a low fat yoghurt is full of sugar. Muesli bars and cereals are packed with whole grains… and sugar. General misinformation is a big problem eg cancer only forms in acidic bodies or a juice cleanse is healthy. Better labelling and more transparent labelling is part of the solution, if people actually read labels.

Sugar tax – maybe/probably not

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Also to say “And the medical community’s primary response to this shift has been to blame fat people for being fat” is false. Obviously if you’re a GP advising a patient you have to focus on things the patient can change, but the medical community lobbies for social and political change to combat obesity: sugar taxes, simpler calorific labelling, early education on nutrition etc.

Do sugar taxes and early education actually work though? McDonalds isn’t cheap yet is the most popular brand of fast food in Australia. Early education is great. There are “sometimes foods” and “everyday foods”. But as an adult, what is influencing the choices to eat unhealthy foods? Ads tell us everyone is busy. Are we? Or are we addicted to convenience? Are we just lazy? Do we not know how to cook? Healthy food is not expensive: seasonal fruits and veg are quite cheap (not withstanding drought, cyclones etc which affect food prices). Canned and frozen foods are picked and frozen quickly and within peak ripeness, and those are cheap with few (if any) harmful additives. I don’t think the answer is a sugar tax. People pay premiums for convenience food.

Simpler labelling is one of the key solutions. Many foods we think are healthy are not. For example, a low fat yoghurt is full of sugar. Muesli bars and cereals are packed with whole grains… and sugar. General misinformation is a big problem eg cancer only forms in acidic bodies or a juice cleanse is healthy. Better labelling and more transparent labelling is part of the solution, if people actually read labels.

Sugar tax – maybe/probably not

Wouldn’t be smarter to tell Mcdonalds and others of their ilk to fuck off?

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

Do sugar taxes and early education actually work though? McDonalds isn’t cheap yet is the most popular brand of fast food in Australia. Early education is great. There are “sometimes foods” and “everyday foods”. But as an adult, what is influencing the choices to eat unhealthy foods? Ads tell us everyone is busy. Are we? Or are we addicted to convenience? Are we just lazy? Do we not know how to cook? Healthy food is not expensive: seasonal fruits and veg are quite cheap (not withstanding drought, cyclones etc which affect food prices). Canned and frozen foods are picked and frozen quickly and within peak ripeness, and those are cheap with few (if any) harmful additives. I don’t think the answer is a sugar tax. People pay premiums for convenience food.

Simpler labelling is one of the key solutions. Many foods we think are healthy are not. For example, a low fat yoghurt is full of sugar. Muesli bars and cereals are packed with whole grains… and sugar. General misinformation is a big problem eg cancer only forms in acidic bodies or a juice cleanse is healthy. Better labelling and more transparent labelling is part of the solution, if people actually read labels.

Sugar tax – maybe/probably not

Wouldn’t be smarter to tell Mcdonalds and others of their ilk to fuck off?

What’s wrong with McDonald’s?

Although that Biggest Loser study concluded:

“Contrary to expectations, the degree of metabolic adaptation at the end of the competition was not associated with weight regain, but those with greater long-term weight loss also had greater ongoing metabolic slowing.”

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

poikilotherm said:

Sugar tax – maybe/probably not

Wouldn’t be smarter to tell Mcdonalds and others of their ilk to fuck off?

What’s wrong with McDonald’s?

They only serve junk.

mollwollfumble said:

> Does that mean I am hooked into the fat shaming?

Everybody is. Even anorexics.

Are they?

I’m more racist than fat shamist, and I’m not very racist at all.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

When you say food produced, how much of this food is in reality junk?

Define “junk”?

I was asking because there is a lot of food on shelves which is junk but described as food. The stuff kills people rather than nourishes them. Yet it is defined as food.

Yep. I call the stuff aimed at kids ….“gadget food”. Useless crap.

roughbarked said:

Wouldn’t be smarter to tell Mcdonalds and others of their ilk to fuck off?

We live in a society where everyone is entitled to make money even if their product or service is unethical and/or unhealthy.

kii said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Define “junk”?

I was asking because there is a lot of food on shelves which is junk but described as food. The stuff kills people rather than nourishes them. Yet it is defined as food.

Yep. I call the stuff aimed at kids ….“gadget food”. Useless crap.

The US is particularly bad: large portion sizes, inconsistent labelling, HFCS in everything, inexpensive food.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Wouldn’t be smarter to tell Mcdonalds and others of their ilk to fuck off?

We live in a society where everyone is entitled to make money even if their product or service is unethical and/or unhealthy.

and it is long overdue for us to rethink that malarky.

Divine Angel said:

kii said:

roughbarked said:

I was asking because there is a lot of food on shelves which is junk but described as food. The stuff kills people rather than nourishes them. Yet it is defined as food.

Yep. I call the stuff aimed at kids ….“gadget food”. Useless crap.

The US is particularly bad: large portion sizes, inconsistent labelling, HFCS in everything, inexpensive food.

and where did McDonalds and Kentucky Fried etc. all come from?

Divine Angel said:

kii said:

roughbarked said:

I was asking because there is a lot of food on shelves which is junk but described as food. The stuff kills people rather than nourishes them. Yet it is defined as food.

Yep. I call the stuff aimed at kids ….“gadget food”. Useless crap.

The US is particularly bad: large portion sizes, inconsistent labelling, HFCS in everything, inexpensive food.

Has HFCS been shown to be worse than any other sugar?

ultimately, people need to take responsibility for their own health. There are ways to make this easier eg better labelling as to not confuse unhealthy food for healthy food. I don’t think there are many people who actually think McDonald’s is healthy as an everyday food.

Divine Angel said:

ultimately, people need to take responsibility for their own health. There are ways to make this easier eg better labelling as to not confuse unhealthy food for healthy food. I don’t think there are many people who actually think McDonald’s is healthy as an everyday food.

but they have breakfast there every morning and go there for lunch and dinner too.

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

kii said:

Yep. I call the stuff aimed at kids ….“gadget food”. Useless crap.

The US is particularly bad: large portion sizes, inconsistent labelling, HFCS in everything, inexpensive food.

Has HFCS been shown to be worse than any other sugar?

I can answer my own question, no, no it hasn’t. It’s metabolically indistinguishable from other sugars.

“The difference in how the body handles the two sugars has led to the belief that HFCS is much worse for you than regular sugar. However, several studies have clearly shown that HFCS and sucrose have indistinguishable metabolic effects and the same health consequences. That is, neither type of sugar is good for you.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5133084/pdf/nutrients-08-00697.pdf

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

kii said:

Yep. I call the stuff aimed at kids ….“gadget food”. Useless crap.

The US is particularly bad: large portion sizes, inconsistent labelling, HFCS in everything, inexpensive food.

Has HFCS been shown to be worse than any other sugar?

I thought it had been, however a quick Google says they’re equally as bad. Perhaps what I’m actually thinking is the types of foods HFCS and other sugars are added to and whether US and Australia eat different foods with either type of sugar added.

Divine Angel said:

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

The US is particularly bad: large portion sizes, inconsistent labelling, HFCS in everything, inexpensive food.

Has HFCS been shown to be worse than any other sugar?

I thought it had been, however a quick Google says they’re equally as bad. Perhaps what I’m actually thinking is the types of foods HFCS and other sugars are added to and whether US and Australia eat different foods with either type of sugar added.

Pretty sure just ‘added sugar’ is the bad bit.

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

poikilotherm said:

Has HFCS been shown to be worse than any other sugar?

I thought it had been, however a quick Google says they’re equally as bad. Perhaps what I’m actually thinking is the types of foods HFCS and other sugars are added to and whether US and Australia eat different foods with either type of sugar added.

Pretty sure just ‘added sugar’ is the bad bit.

Agreed.

Divine Angel said:

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

The US is particularly bad: large portion sizes, inconsistent labelling, HFCS in everything, inexpensive food.

Has HFCS been shown to be worse than any other sugar?

I thought it had been, however a quick Google says they’re equally as bad. Perhaps what I’m actually thinking is the types of foods HFCS and other sugars are added to and whether US and Australia eat different foods with either type of sugar added.

Obesity can mostly be attributed to high kJ intake and low activity level, and focusing on particular components can be a red herring.

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

poikilotherm said:

Has HFCS been shown to be worse than any other sugar?

I thought it had been, however a quick Google says they’re equally as bad. Perhaps what I’m actually thinking is the types of foods HFCS and other sugars are added to and whether US and Australia eat different foods with either type of sugar added.

Obesity can mostly be attributed to high kJ intake and low activity level, and focusing on particular components can be a red herring.

There’s an infomercial for meal replacement shakes which states that you can lose weight and induce ketosis by changing your diet without necessarily changing your exercise habits 🙄 everything about that ad makes me cringe.

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

poikilotherm said:

Has HFCS been shown to be worse than any other sugar?

I thought it had been, however a quick Google says they’re equally as bad. Perhaps what I’m actually thinking is the types of foods HFCS and other sugars are added to and whether US and Australia eat different foods with either type of sugar added.

Pretty sure just ‘added sugar’ is the bad bit.

Seems to be so, yes.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Divine Angel said:

I thought it had been, however a quick Google says they’re equally as bad. Perhaps what I’m actually thinking is the types of foods HFCS and other sugars are added to and whether US and Australia eat different foods with either type of sugar added.

Obesity can mostly be attributed to high kJ intake and low activity level, and focusing on particular components can be a red herring.

There’s an infomercial for meal replacement shakes which states that you can lose weight and induce ketosis by changing your diet without necessarily changing your exercise habits 🙄 everything about that ad makes me cringe.

People are inherently lazy, I’ve got numerous fatties that bought one of those fat jiggling machines (that apparently equates to running) you see on tv infomercials. Didn’t work funnily enough but they didn’t have to invest any effort into it either.

Has any one worked out the cost to the environment with obesity ?

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Obesity can mostly be attributed to high kJ intake and low activity level, and focusing on particular components can be a red herring.

There’s an infomercial for meal replacement shakes which states that you can lose weight and induce ketosis by changing your diet without necessarily changing your exercise habits 🙄 everything about that ad makes me cringe.

People are inherently lazy, I’ve got numerous fatties that bought one of those fat jiggling machines (that apparently equates to running) you see on tv infomercials. Didn’t work funnily enough but they didn’t have to invest any effort into it either.

That is true.

Stevia also has the ability to:

increase insulin effect on cell membranes increase insulin production stabilize blood sugar levels counter mechanics of type 2 diabetes and its complications

roughbarked said:

Stevia also has the ability to:

increase insulin effect on cell membranes increase insulin production stabilize blood sugar levels counter mechanics of type 2 diabetes and its complications

It is identical in that regard to aspartame

dv said:

Also to say “And the medical community’s primary response to this shift has been to blame fat people for being fat” is false. Obviously if you’re a GP advising a patient you have to focus on things the patient can change, but the medical community lobbies for social and political change to combat obesity: sugar taxes, simpler calorific labelling, early education on nutrition etc.

ah but it’s fair
you can’t blame the environment for what people do
like
guns don’t kill people
people kill people

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Also to say “And the medical community’s primary response to this shift has been to blame fat people for being fat” is false. Obviously if you’re a GP advising a patient you have to focus on things the patient can change, but the medical community lobbies for social and political change to combat obesity: sugar taxes, simpler calorific labelling, early education on nutrition etc.

ah but it’s fair
you can’t blame the environment for what people do
like
guns don’t kill people
people kill people

“Blame” really has nothing to do with it. Some individual actions can be taken to combat obesity. Some communal/governmental actions can be taken to combat obesity.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Stevia also has the ability to:

increase insulin effect on cell membranes increase insulin production stabilize blood sugar levels counter mechanics of type 2 diabetes and its complications

It is identical in that regard to aspartame

let us not forget
that the mechanism
by which insulin lowers blood sugar levels
is by making your cells store it
as fat

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

Also to say “And the medical community’s primary response to this shift has been to blame fat people for being fat” is false. Obviously if you’re a GP advising a patient you have to focus on things the patient can change, but the medical community lobbies for social and political change to combat obesity: sugar taxes, simpler calorific labelling, early education on nutrition etc.

ah but it’s fair
you can’t blame the environment for what people do
like
guns don’t kill people
people kill people

“Blame” really has nothing to do with it. Some individual actions can be taken to combat obesity. Some communal/governmental actions can be taken to combat obesity.

your right
is what i’m referring to

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

Stevia also has the ability to:

increase insulin effect on cell membranes increase insulin production stabilize blood sugar levels counter mechanics of type 2 diabetes and its complications

It is identical in that regard to aspartame

let us not forget
that the mechanism
by which insulin lowers blood sugar levels
is by making your cells store it
as fat

I think
Literally
No one forgot that
Ever

poikilotherm said:

poikilotherm said:

Divine Angel said:

The US is particularly bad: large portion sizes, inconsistent labelling, HFCS in everything, inexpensive food.

Has HFCS been shown to be worse than any other sugar?

I can answer my own question, no, no it hasn’t. It’s metabolically indistinguishable from other sugars.

“The difference in how the body handles the two sugars has led to the belief that HFCS is much worse for you than regular sugar. However, several studies have clearly shown that HFCS and sucrose have indistinguishable metabolic effects and the same health consequences. That is, neither type of sugar is good for you.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5133084/pdf/nutrients-08-00697.pdf

Thank goodness for that. What about fructose then? Isn’t it the devil’s spawn?

;)

dv said:

SCIENCE said:

dv said:

It is identical in that regard to aspartame

let us not forget
that the mechanism
by which insulin lowers blood sugar levels
is by making your cells store it
as fat

I think
Literally
No one forgot that
Ever

good
i’m reminding
you all
not to

i’ll be back home shortly, away from the abundance of food, though the wench has biscuits around most of the time.

(many) humans are attracted to food like they’re attracted to bright computer/TV screens.

i’d expect the two aren’t completely unrelated.

Divine Angel said:

There’s an infomercial for meal replacement shakes which states that you can lose weight and induce ketosis by changing your diet without necessarily changing your exercise habits 🙄 everything about that ad makes me cringe.

While it may not have much relevance to what they’re selling, it is actually true that weight loss is much more a matter of diet change than getting more exercise.

Getting more exercise is certainly good for you but an effective weight loss diet will ensure you’re losing weight no matter how much exercise you get.

And no matter how much exercise you get, you won’t lose weight without an effective weight loss diet.

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

There’s an infomercial for meal replacement shakes which states that you can lose weight and induce ketosis by changing your diet without necessarily changing your exercise habits 🙄 everything about that ad makes me cringe.

And no matter how much exercise you get, you won’t lose weight without an effective weight loss diet.

False. I had to increase caloric intake significantly to prevent losing weight loss when I was training at 9 to 15 hours per week, but, that kind of exertion is pretty uncomfortable/unenjoyable etc.

poikilotherm said:

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

There’s an infomercial for meal replacement shakes which states that you can lose weight and induce ketosis by changing your diet without necessarily changing your exercise habits 🙄 everything about that ad makes me cringe.

And no matter how much exercise you get, you won’t lose weight without an effective weight loss diet.

False. I had to increase caloric intake significantly to prevent losing weight loss when I was training at 9 to 15 hours per week, but, that kind of exertion is pretty uncomfortable/unenjoyable etc.

Um no, not false. All it means is that without increasing calorific intake, you were on an effective weight loss diet given your energy expenditure. But it’s not a sensible example because you weren’t trying to lose weight.

We’re talking about obese people. It’s not realistic to expect obese people to throw themselves into vigorous training at 9-15 hours a week, and it would be a very irrational way of trying to lose weight.

Anyone eating/drinking at a rate that maintains an obese body while taking ordinary moderate exercise needs to go on a weight loss diet if they want to lose weight.

if you keep eating the same amount of food but do a ten kilometer walk a day where you were not before, one wouldn’t lose weight?

Arts said:

if you keep eating the same amount of food but do a ten kilometer walk a day where you were not before, one wouldn’t lose weight?

For me, no. I am pretty much riding 10 km a day since walking or jogging it might create other foot problems. I am not noticing any appreciable weight loss.

Arts said:

if you keep eating the same amount of food but do a ten kilometer walk a day where you were not before, one wouldn’t lose weight?

Not necessarily. Depends on how much food you were eating before (if you were eating at a rate that ensured continual weight gain, for example).

And bear in mind that walking doesn’t really burn that much energy. It’s more sensible to go for regular walks for the sake of fitness and health than for weight loss.

For weight loss, shovel less energy in, and you won’t have to worry about burning it off.

weird.. I didn’t adjust my food intake but did increase exercise while training for both triathalons, the swim and this current upcoming event, and I certainly lost weight for all of them.

I guess if I don’t want to do any exercise I should just eat nothing for weight maintenance

Arts said:

weird.. I didn’t adjust my food intake but did increase exercise while training for both triathalons, the swim and this current upcoming event, and I certainly lost weight for all of them.

I guess if I don’t want to do any exercise I should just eat nothing for weight maintenance

also the upcoming event is walking and that’s all I do now for training (which is three to four times per week only, so not intensive)

Arts said:

weird.. I didn’t adjust my food intake but did increase exercise while training for both triathalons, the swim and this current upcoming event, and I certainly lost weight for all of them.

I guess if I don’t want to do any exercise I should just eat nothing for weight maintenance

Maybe your food intake was already very sensible :)

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

Michael V said:

I don’t remember you as fat, sm.

Actually that was a nice thing to say to me. Ta.

But neither do I remember you as fat. And I’ve seen you quite recently.

82/3 kilos. Overweight. Not critical.

Arts said:

weird.. I didn’t adjust my food intake but did increase exercise while training for both triathalons, the swim and this current upcoming event, and I certainly lost weight for all of them.

I guess if I don’t want to do any exercise I should just eat nothing for weight maintenance

Again, we’re talking about obese people. Obese people eats loads more than “nothing” :)

No-one says exercise doesn’t help with weight loss. But the main game is going on a weight loss diet.

An effective weight loss diet will lose significant weight relatively quickly without requiring you to take more than regular, moderate exercise of a kind that all people ought to be be taking anyway.

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

sarahs mum said:

Actually that was a nice thing to say to me. Ta.

But neither do I remember you as fat. And I’ve seen you quite recently.

82/3 kilos. Overweight. Not critical.

And I was 74/5k when I was full term with Sarah.

Having said that, many obese people find it very difficult to stick to weight loss diets and/or to follow up weight loss with long-term dietary moderation.

But I suspect that’s more true of people who’ve always been obese, compared with people like me who have packed on weight since reaching middle age.

(My trouble with sticking to diets has been more one of motivation and of giving in to pleasurable temptation, than the kind of suffering that lifelong fat people report on diets).

https://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/diet-fitness/weight-loss/diet1.htm

Your Body’s Efficiency

Have you ever wondered why, for so many people (and especially for anyone older than 30 years old), weight gain seems to be a fact of life? It’s because the human body is way too efficient! It just does not take that much energy to maintain the human body at rest; and when exercising, the human body is amazingly frugal when it comes to turning food into motion.

At rest (for example, while sitting and watching television), the human body burns only about 12 calories per pound of body weight per day (26 calories per kilogram). That means that if you weigh 150 pounds (68 kg), your body uses only about:

150 × 12 = 1,800 calories per day

Twelve calories per pound per day is a rough estimate — see How Calories Work for details.

Those 1,800 calories are used to do everything you need to stay alive:
•They keep your heart beating and lungs breathing.
•They keep your internal organs operating properly.
•They keep your brain running.
•They keep your body warm.

In motion, the human body also uses energy very efficiently. For example, a person running a marathon (26 miles or 42 km) burns only about 2,600 calories. In other words, you burn only about 100 calories per mile (about 62 calories per km) when you are running.

You can see just how efficient the human body is if you compare your body to a car. A typical car in the United States gets between 15 and 30 miles per gallon of gasoline (6 to 12 km/L). A gallon of gas contains about 31,000 calories. That means that if a human being could drink gasoline instead of eating hamburgers to take in calories, a human being could run 26 miles on about one-twelfth of a gallon of gas (0.3 L). In other words, a human being gets more than 300 miles per gallon (120 km/L)! If you put a human being on a bicycle to increase the efficiency, a human being can get well over 1,000 miles per gallon (more than 500 km/L)!

That level of efficiency is the main reason why it is so easy to gain weight, as we will see in the next section.

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

buffy said:

But neither do I remember you as fat. And I’ve seen you quite recently.

82/3 kilos. Overweight. Not critical.

And I was 74/5k when I was full term with Sarah.

BMI of 29. Quick..pass me a few pavlovas and some Coke.

Bubblecar said:

Having said that, many obese people find it very difficult to stick to weight loss diets and/or to follow up weight loss with long-term dietary moderation.

But I suspect that’s more true of people who’ve always been obese, compared with people like me who have packed on weight since reaching middle age.

(My trouble with sticking to diets has been more one of motivation and of giving in to pleasurable temptation, than the kind of suffering that lifelong fat people report on diets).

it would be interesting to look at brain chemistry of people who enjoy ‘indulgent’ foods. And couple that with lifestyle ‘stressors’ and developmental learnings.

My mum always, and still does, cook with loads of salt sugar and fats. her food is delicious, but she was always making us eat our entire plate of food as kids. We weren’t allowed to say that we were full (But I’ll be sick! “I don’t care, some of ti will stay down” she was often heard saying) this stems from her early life of frugality and eating everything you could because you don’t know if you will eat tomorrow. Consequently, my sister is, and always has been, overweight. She can’t seem to stick to a low portion size.. she doesn’t eat terrible food, she just eats a lot (as she was trained to do by my well meaning, but incorrect, mum)

I, on the other hand, have always been more active than hungry, so even when she would feed us massive meals, my intake never overtook my outgoing activity levels. I also never ate desserts, as the rest of the family did.. apart from an occasional small bit of ice cream. (They would have my mum’s delicious apple pie with ice cream) dessert was the one thing we did not have to eat all of according to my mother.

Arts said:

…she was often heard saying) this stems from her early life of frugality and eating everything you could because you don’t know if you will eat tomorrow.

On account of missed meals as a boy, to this day, Dad has to know what is for dinner before lunch. He cannot be fobbed off with an I dunno, I’ll see what we have in the fridge later, he has to be told. Otherwise he starts saying things like do you want me to go down to the shops, and asking what is needed. If you tell him it’s sausages for dinner and they are in the fridge he is happy as a clam and stops asking.

AwesomeO said:

Arts said:

…she was often heard saying) this stems from her early life of frugality and eating everything you could because you don’t know if you will eat tomorrow.

On account of missed meals as a boy, to this day, Dad has to know what is for dinner before lunch. He cannot be fobbed off with an I dunno, I’ll see what we have in the fridge later, he has to be told. Otherwise he starts saying things like do you want me to go down to the shops, and asking what is needed. If you tell him it’s sausages for dinner and they are in the fridge he is happy as a clam and stops asking.

indeed, I have mentioned here before how mum still stocks up her pantry with items that are readily available at all times, but she just can’t help it… in fact, it’s possible I could live in her pantry for months, probably a year, before needing to get more food.

(If there was a criminal element to this I would undertake a study on her and others like her)

How much food would be saved if there was no obesity ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

How much food would be saved if there was no obesity ?

Answered this above.

From memory, 300 million tons per year.

Approximately.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How much food would be saved if there was no obesity ?

Answered this above.

From memory, 300 million tons per year.

Approximately.

If it was 300 million tons less per year would the environment benefit ?

Arts said:

if you keep eating the same amount of food but do a ten kilometer walk a day where you were not before, one wouldn’t lose weight?

You need to be sweaty/have an elevated heart rate for a sustained period of time, plodding a long at a gentle stroll will do naff all.

poikilotherm said:

Arts said:

if you keep eating the same amount of food but do a ten kilometer walk a day where you were not before, one wouldn’t lose weight?

You need to be sweaty/have an elevated heart rate for a sustained period of time, plodding a long at a gentle stroll will do naff all.

Except build stamina to do 10km of walking per day…

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

Arts said:

if you keep eating the same amount of food but do a ten kilometer walk a day where you were not before, one wouldn’t lose weight?

You need to be sweaty/have an elevated heart rate for a sustained period of time, plodding a long at a gentle stroll will do naff all.

Except build stamina to do 10km of walking per day…

sure, but we’re talking weight loss not muscular endurance development.

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

You need to be sweaty/have an elevated heart rate for a sustained period of time, plodding a long at a gentle stroll will do naff all.

Except build stamina to do 10km of walking per day…

sure, but we’re talking weight loss not muscular endurance development.

Don’t stronger muscles use more energy. Or something?

Oh. hang on…you have to do weights for that bit, don’t you…

Anyway, I maintain I have heavy bones (and I’ve got the bone density tests to prove it!) and that my muscles weigh more than my fat.

:)

buffy said:

Anyway, I maintain I have heavy bones (and I’ve got the bone density tests to prove it!) and that my muscles weigh more than my fat.

:)

My excuse is that doing more exercise builds more muscles, possibly more quickly than burning any fat, so I stay the same or go slightly worse after exercise.

buffy said:

poikilotherm said:

buffy said:

Except build stamina to do 10km of walking per day…

sure, but we’re talking weight loss not muscular endurance development.

Don’t stronger muscles use more energy. Or something?

Oh. hang on…you have to do weights for that bit, don’t you…

Yes. You’re increasing efficiency with repetitions of the same thing over and over, not adding much muscle.

truth is by definition

SCIENCE said:

truth is by definition

of?

Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

How much food would be saved if there was no obesity ?

Answered this above.

From memory, 300 million tons per year.

Approximately.

If it was 300 million tons less per year would the environment benefit ?

More farmers would go broke and be forced off the land.
Food prices would rise.
Malnitrition would increase.

So yes, I suppose the natural environment would benefit.
You are asking about natural environment, I assume?

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Answered this above.

From memory, 300 million tons per year.

Approximately.

If it was 300 million tons less per year would the environment benefit ?

More farmers would go broke and be forced off the land.
Food prices would rise.
Malnitrition would increase.

So yes, I suppose the natural environment would benefit.
You are asking about natural environment, I assume?

there would be a bunch of displaced insects and stuff…

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

If it was 300 million tons less per year would the environment benefit ?

More farmers would go broke and be forced off the land.
Food prices would rise.
Malnitrition would increase.

So yes, I suppose the natural environment would benefit.
You are asking about natural environment, I assume?

there would be a bunch of displaced insects and stuff…

You think? Without so many profiteering farmers, they would not be spraying insecticides.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Answered this above.

From memory, 300 million tons per year.

Approximately.

If it was 300 million tons less per year would the environment benefit ?

More farmers would go broke and be forced off the land.
Food prices would rise.
Malnitrition would increase.

So yes, I suppose the natural environment would benefit.
You are asking about natural environment, I assume?

Yes, natural environment

but why not have that natural environment benefit and farmers being happy with no price rises and no malnutrition ?

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

More farmers would go broke and be forced off the land.
Food prices would rise.
Malnitrition would increase.

So yes, I suppose the natural environment would benefit.
You are asking about natural environment, I assume?

there would be a bunch of displaced insects and stuff…

You think? Without so many profiteering farmers, they would not be spraying insecticides.

fewer insect mutants

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

roughbarked said:

Arts said:

mollwollfumble said:

More farmers would go broke and be forced off the land.
Food prices would rise.
Malnitrition would increase.

So yes, I suppose the natural environment would benefit.
You are asking about natural environment, I assume?

there would be a bunch of displaced insects and stuff…

You think? Without so many profiteering farmers, they would not be spraying insecticides.

LOL, profiteering farmers, ffs.

300 million tonnes would be fuck all in the scheme of things.

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

I have a dog, nothing gets thrown out

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

Farmers over produce to requirement.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

I have a dog, nothing gets thrown out

+2 – the dog’s in full agreement as well.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

I have a dog, nothing gets thrown out

even mouldy cheese and soggy lettuce?

party_pants said:

Arts said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

I have a dog, nothing gets thrown out

even mouldy cheese and soggy lettuce?

Actually lettuce is one thing my dog doesn’t like. She’ll pick it out of her bowl, throw it on the ground and never touch it again.

party_pants said:

Arts said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

I have a dog, nothing gets thrown out

even mouldy cheese and soggy lettuce?

I don’t know what either of those are

Was there much tribal obesity ?

Did ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt all have obesity ?

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

Fish sauce. I threw out half a bottle of fish sauce recently because its use-by date was last year some time.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

I have a dog, nothing gets thrown out

I’m shocked how much food I have to clean up myself now that Jas isn’t around.

We have a worm farm and a compost bin, but they’re not the same as a dog 😢

Tau.Neutrino said:

Was there much tribal obesity ?

Did ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt all have obesity ?

Obesity was a sign of wealth in some ancient civilisations.

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Was there much tribal obesity ?

Did ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt all have obesity ?

Obesity was a sign of wealth in some ancient civilisations.

In all of them I should think. And in later civilisations until relatively recently.

Mummy Reveals Egyptian Queen Was Fat, Balding and Bearded

https://www.livescience.com/7336-mummy-reveals-egyptian-queen-fat-balding-bearded.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0F4W40ZbeU

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBPWt4OQ-RY

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Was there much tribal obesity ?

Did ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt all have obesity ?

Obesity was a sign of wealth in some ancient civilisations.

In all of them I should think. And in later civilisations until relatively recently.

From the marble figurines of famous Romans even the upper class didn’t really go in for obesity, and reading the well researched historical novels by Mculloch excess and gluttony was frowned on, by all means have a feast and get pissed, but then go on a fast and sweat it all out, to feast and be gluttinous excessively was a sign of moral weakness and not being able to control your own baser instincts.

The poorer classes in Rome ate what would be considered today a pretty good diet, and despite slaves they would still have been more active than modern industrial societies.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

Fish sauce. I threw out half a bottle of fish sauce recently because its use-by date was last year some time.

It doesn’t go off. That process is finished before you buy it.

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Was there much tribal obesity ?

Did ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt all have obesity ?

Obesity was a sign of wealth in some ancient civilisations.

And in modern Pacific Island cultures (eg Tonga).

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

Divine Angel said:

Obesity was a sign of wealth in some ancient civilisations.

In all of them I should think. And in later civilisations until relatively recently.

From the marble figurines of famous Romans even the upper class didn’t really go in for obesity, and reading the well researched historical novels by Mculloch excess and gluttony was frowned on, by all means have a feast and get pissed, but then go on a fast and sweat it all out, to feast and be gluttinous excessively was a sign of moral weakness and not being able to control your own baser instincts.

The poorer classes in Rome ate what would be considered today a pretty good diet, and despite slaves they would still have been more active than modern industrial societies.

And they had lots of fish sauce.

sarahs mum said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0F4W40ZbeU

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBPWt4OQ-RY

They certainly liked to emphasise the FORD, in case you forgot and asked for Holden pills.

Are obese people fit, healthily?

Could one be obese and healthy ?

Ive never been obese. Cannot seem to put on any weight.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Was there much tribal obesity ?

Did ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt all have obesity ?

Obesity was a sign of wealth in some ancient civilisations.

And in modern Pacific Island cultures (eg Tonga).

I know that Tongans and Samoans are in a diabetes crisis due to the foods they now import and have access to.

Michael V said:

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

In all of them I should think. And in later civilisations until relatively recently.

From the marble figurines of famous Romans even the upper class didn’t really go in for obesity, and reading the well researched historical novels by Mculloch excess and gluttony was frowned on, by all means have a feast and get pissed, but then go on a fast and sweat it all out, to feast and be gluttinous excessively was a sign of moral weakness and not being able to control your own baser instincts.

The poorer classes in Rome ate what would be considered today a pretty good diet, and despite slaves they would still have been more active than modern industrial societies.

And they had lots of fish sauce.

Theres was thicker apparently but used a lot like the do in Vietnam, in dishes and as a side to everything.

Michael V said:

AwesomeO said:

Bubblecar said:

In all of them I should think. And in later civilisations until relatively recently.

From the marble figurines of famous Romans even the upper class didn’t really go in for obesity, and reading the well researched historical novels by Mculloch excess and gluttony was frowned on, by all means have a feast and get pissed, but then go on a fast and sweat it all out, to feast and be gluttinous excessively was a sign of moral weakness and not being able to control your own baser instincts.

The poorer classes in Rome ate what would be considered today a pretty good diet, and despite slaves they would still have been more active than modern industrial societies.

And they had lots of fish sauce.

It would be interesting to try some of their sauces and dishes.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Obesity was a sign of wealth in some ancient civilisations.

And in modern Pacific Island cultures (eg Tonga).

I know that Tongans and Samoans are in a diabetes crisis due to the foods they now import and have access to.

Bugger…

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

And in modern Pacific Island cultures (eg Tonga).

I know that Tongans and Samoans are in a diabetes crisis due to the foods they now import and have access to.

Bugger…

I hold Hirohito partly responsible.

Rubens found some non skinny women to paint.

Arts said:

party_pants said:

I don’t think farmers or even the supermarkets are profiteering. Consumers just buy a few spares they don’t always eat. Who here hasn’t thrown something out because they never quite got around to eating all of it before it went off?

I have a dog, nothing gets thrown out

Puts hand up. I’ve never thrown food out.

Do some people actually throw food out?

On the other hand, I’ve been known to eat a lot of things that would not normally be considered “food”. Mandarin peel and chicken bones are two of my staple “foods”.

buffy said:

Rubens found some non skinny women to paint.

Modigliani didn’t.

AwesomeO said:

buffy said:

Rubens found some non skinny women to paint.

Modigliani didn’t.

Oh, I don’t know. This lady is not exactly anorexic

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are obese people fit, healthily?

Could one be obese and healthy ?

Ive never been obese. Cannot seem to put on any weight.

Well… you can be obese and have good blood pressure, vital signs etc. the damage being done is silent.

Divine Angel said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Are obese people fit, healthily?

Could one be obese and healthy ?

Ive never been obese. Cannot seem to put on any weight.

Well… you can be obese and have good blood pressure, vital signs etc. the damage being done is silent.

What kind of damage ?

SCIENCE said:

2. There should be comma between “obesity” and “ is”.

Beat me to it.

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/everything-you-know-about-obesity-is-wrong/

got through most of that, a substantial read.

tempted to say it’s a complex subject, but instead i’ll just say humans are a cunt species. Call that misanthropy, a moment of.

not much of a contribution to the subject really, I know.

imagine though bringing fat as fatness into the field of social construction, the work of minds being all over it, greedy-like. With the help of ideology, and applause now for medicalization too. Very helpful.

at the end of the day, it’s what might reduce the likelihood of you finding your comfortable size that matters. Your shape, proportions, fitness.

and to find that, you may have to look at what modern life denies you, hard as it is to imagine it might deny you anything.

humans have got fat heads, fat fucken heads.

transition said:

humans have got fat heads, fat fucken heads.

Literally, too. The human brain accounts for less than 2% of body weight but contains 25% of the body’s cholesterol.
From https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/cholesterol-the-mind-and-the-brain

Mr buffy’s latest cholesterol test was “nice and low”. I told him that is why he is having trouble with his brain….not enough insulation on the nerves.

Food waste is not mostly from households. It is mostly wasted in the production and retail phases.

dv said:

Food waste is not mostly from households. It is mostly wasted in the production and retail phases.

Yah. only 5% of the food produced actually ends up on stupormarket shelves.

dv said:

Food waste is not mostly from households. It is mostly wasted in the production and retail phases.

Fucking wasteful Kiwis.

dv said:

Food waste is not mostly from households. It is mostly wasted in the production and retail phases.

Are we Oceania or Asia?

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Food waste is not mostly from households. It is mostly wasted in the production and retail phases.

Are we Oceania or Asia?

For this purpose we are Oceania.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Food waste is not mostly from households. It is mostly wasted in the production and retail phases.

Are we Oceania or Asia?

Oceania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania

Damn, those sub-Saharan Africans really took waste not want not to heart.

dv said:

Food waste is not mostly from households. It is mostly wasted in the production and retail phases.

Geez, if I had a dollar for every doughnut I threw out…

Divine Angel said:

or threw up.

Who can even afford to throw out a doughnut, they are expensive these days.

dv said:

Who can even afford to throw out a doughnut, they are expensive these days.

Me. I never ever bought any.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Who can even afford to throw out a doughnut, they are expensive these days.

Me. I never ever bought any.

Ah, so you stole them all eh?

dv said:

Who can even afford to throw out a doughnut, they are expensive these days.

Costs next to fuck-all to make though.

There were days at the airport store where we’d throw away 1000+ doughnuts. Very, very slow days.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Who can even afford to throw out a doughnut, they are expensive these days.

Me. I never ever bought any.

Ah, so you stole them all eh?

Ate one once that somebody gave me. Promptly threw it up and decided that they were shyte never to be consumed.

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Who can even afford to throw out a doughnut, they are expensive these days.

Costs next to fuck-all to make though.

There were days at the airport store where we’d throw away 1000+ doughnuts. Very, very slow days.

Things one does to make a quid.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

dv said:

Who can even afford to throw out a doughnut, they are expensive these days.

Costs next to fuck-all to make though.

There were days at the airport store where we’d throw away 1000+ doughnuts. Very, very slow days.

Things one does to make a quid.

🎶 There’s a decent living to be made in the selling out of ideals 🎶

dv said:

Food waste is not mostly from households. It is mostly wasted in the production and retail phases.

Not necessarily true. We receive food at our house that is “thrown out” from a retail store. We keep half and pass on the rest to a place that distributes food to the poor. I’ve also known food that is supposedly “thrown out” by a retail store to be used to feed the wild birds of the district. And I’ve known food “thrown out” during production to be used as stock feed. Very little is actually wasted.

Until recently, even the food that is thrown out in the waste bin has turned up feeding the ibises, crows, seagulls, etc. Food that ends up through the insinkerator into the sewerage ends up powering the sewage treatment plant and providing fertiliser for market gardens. Excess produce on farms ends up as fertiliser on those farms.

Then add to that compost, both directly and through the green bin.

Added all together, darn little food is ever wasted. Nowhere near as much as the table above would suggest.

Oh, the waste that gets thrown out of supermarkets! It’s enough to make one’s eyes water.

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

Food waste is not mostly from households. It is mostly wasted in the production and retail phases.

Not necessarily true. We receive food at our house that is “thrown out” from a retail store. We keep half and pass on the rest to a place that distributes food to the poor. I’ve also known food that is supposedly “thrown out” by a retail store to be used to feed the wild birds of the district. And I’ve known food “thrown out” during production to be used as stock feed. Very little is actually wasted.

Until recently, even the food that is thrown out in the waste bin has turned up feeding the ibises, crows, seagulls, etc. Food that ends up through the insinkerator into the sewerage ends up powering the sewage treatment plant and providing fertiliser for market gardens. Excess produce on farms ends up as fertiliser on those farms.

Then add to that compost, both directly and through the green bin.

Added all together, darn little food is ever wasted. Nowhere near as much as the table above would suggest.

And I grow most of what I eat at my back door and toss whatever I don’t back in the compost reuse-cycle. FFS.

Divine Angel said:

Oh, the waste that gets thrown out of supermarkets! It’s enough to make one’s eyes water.

Makes me think. I could have done with a millifraction of that money in my bank acc]ount.

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh, the waste that gets thrown out of supermarkets! It’s enough to make one’s eyes water.

Makes me think. I could have done with a millifraction of that money in my bank account.

I already do. I get a sizeable share of the food thrown out by a significant retail store.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

Oh, the waste that gets thrown out of supermarkets! It’s enough to make one’s eyes water.

Makes me think. I could have done with a millifraction of that money in my bank account.

I already do. I get a sizeable share of the food thrown out by a significant retail store.

I see people getting boxes of leaf pulled off the outside of lettuces etc.