http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-26/girls-just-as-good-at-stem-subjects-unsw-study-shows/10307266

Err, I didn’t even know that this was questioned.

sibeen said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-26/girls-just-as-good-at-stem-subjects-unsw-study-shows/10307266

Err, I didn’t even know that this was questioned.

Neither did I.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-26/girls-just-as-good-at-stem-subjects-unsw-study-shows/10307266

Err, I didn’t even know that this was questioned.

Neither did I.

makes three of us.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797617741719?journalCode=pssa

The Gender-Equality Paradox in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics Education

Abstract

The underrepresentation of girls and women in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) fields is a continual concern for social scientists and policymakers. Using an international database on adolescent achievement in science, mathematics, and reading (N = 472,242), we showed that girls performed similarly to or better than boys in science in two of every three countries, and in nearly all countries, more girls appeared capable of college-level STEM study than had enrolled. Paradoxically, the sex differences in the magnitude of relative academic strengths and pursuit of STEM degrees rose with increases in national gender equality. The gap between boys’ science achievement and girls’ reading achievement relative to their mean academic performance was near universal. These sex differences in academic strengths and attitudes toward science correlated with the STEM graduation gap. A mediation analysis suggested that life-quality pressures in less gender-equal countries promote girls’ and women’s engagement with STEM subjects.

esselte said:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797617741719?journalCode=pssa

The Gender-Equality Paradox in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics Education

Abstract

The underrepresentation of girls and women in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) fields is a continual concern for social scientists and policymakers. Using an international database on adolescent achievement in science, mathematics, and reading (N = 472,242), we showed that girls performed similarly to or better than boys in science in two of every three countries, and in nearly all countries, more girls appeared capable of college-level STEM study than had enrolled. Paradoxically, the sex differences in the magnitude of relative academic strengths and pursuit of STEM degrees rose with increases in national gender equality. The gap between boys’ science achievement and girls’ reading achievement relative to their mean academic performance was near universal. These sex differences in academic strengths and attitudes toward science correlated with the STEM graduation gap. A mediation analysis suggested that life-quality pressures in less gender-equal countries promote girls’ and women’s engagement with STEM subjects.

Yeah, the genders seem to self select for the fields they prefer. Who knew :)

I blame stereotypes.

next study: does sex / gender / race / INSERT_GENERIC_DISCRIMINATOR_HERE balance in STEM have any impact on the value of STEM output

sibeen said:

esselte said:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797617741719?journalCode=pssa

The Gender-Equality Paradox in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics Education

Abstract

The underrepresentation of girls and women in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) fields is a continual concern for social scientists and policymakers. Using an international database on adolescent achievement in science, mathematics, and reading (N = 472,242), we showed that girls performed similarly to or better than boys in science in two of every three countries, and in nearly all countries, more girls appeared capable of college-level STEM study than had enrolled. Paradoxically, the sex differences in the magnitude of relative academic strengths and pursuit of STEM degrees rose with increases in national gender equality. The gap between boys’ science achievement and girls’ reading achievement relative to their mean academic performance was near universal. These sex differences in academic strengths and attitudes toward science correlated with the STEM graduation gap. A mediation analysis suggested that life-quality pressures in less gender-equal countries promote girls’ and women’s engagement with STEM subjects.

Yeah, the genders seem to self select for the fields they prefer. Who knew :)

Why bother egacating them at all…
…they’re just gonna hook up w/some bloke,
squeeze out a few pups and withdraw anyway. :-p

You guys didn’t know this? Did a lot of girls enter physics or engineering classes in high school?

I did both and in both we had no girls at all. That’s from 40 boys doing engineering and around 60 doing physics.

In the first physics class in Year 11 we had two girls, but after seeing all the testosterone in the room they asked if they could switch to biology.

Fair enough too, who wants that much attention from 20-something randy boys? If there were equal numbers of sexes, fair enough that attention would be spread out.

I’m fairly sure we all know that women can handle the subject, it’s whether they want to or not, and some of the strange things that come out of that.

When I was a reasonably junior eng back in about 1989 or 90 I was working for a manufacturing company in Melbourne where there was a shitload of travel involved as the product (UPS) was sold all around Australia and each item needed individual commissioning. There was about 10 engineers in this field group. We were approached by the companies 2IC, who was a woman, who called us into a meeting and explained that they were thinking about bringing a female eng into the group but wanted to run it past us all just in case there was a problem. We all looked at each other, shrugged our shoulders, mumbled ‘yeah, whatever’ and moved on. They hired her and it worked out OK.

In the last three years I’ve actually had the opportunity to mentor two young female engineers and have thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

sibeen said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-26/girls-just-as-good-at-stem-subjects-unsw-study-shows/10307266

Err, I didn’t even know that this was questioned.

As mentioned in the OP I didn’t know this was questioned either. I am a bit surprised that there is apparently still such a gap. When I did HSC in 1977, there were two of us girls in the Physics class, in a class of around 25 (I think). At uni there were 5 girls in my cohort of 30 optometry students. But it was only a short time later that a 50/50 mix was reached. These days more females than males graduate in optometry in Australia.

But then again, I am surprised at people still changing their name when they marry. I didn’t…if Mr buffy didn’t want to take my name, there was no compelling reason for me to adopt his. So we didn’t. And yet recently my niece married and was all excited about changing her name. In every other respect she is a thoroughly modern woman. I don’t get it.

buffy said:

sibeen said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-26/girls-just-as-good-at-stem-subjects-unsw-study-shows/10307266

Err, I didn’t even know that this was questioned.

As mentioned in the OP I didn’t know this was questioned either. I am a bit surprised that there is apparently still such a gap. When I did HSC in 1977, there were two of us girls in the Physics class, in a class of around 25 (I think). At uni there were 5 girls in my cohort of 30 optometry students. But it was only a short time later that a 50/50 mix was reached. These days more females than males graduate in optometry in Australia.

But then again, I am surprised at people still changing their name when they marry. I didn’t…if Mr buffy didn’t want to take my name, there was no compelling reason for me to adopt his. So we didn’t. And yet recently my niece married and was all excited about changing her name. In every other respect she is a thoroughly modern woman. I don’t get it.

There is so much that is difficult to grok. My daughter didn’t change her name. Mrs rb originally did but she simply tossed mail in the fire if it was addressed to the housewife or any that fell into the category of not specifically for her.

buffy said:

I don’t get it.

different is not wrong. It made sense for me to change my name when I got married, for the kids. If we did’t have kids I probably would not have gotten married (we had already been together ten years before kids were even thought about). Also, it’s easier to spell Mr Arts’ surname than my maiden name, so it works all around for me.

I think choosing to change your name or not is not a sign of dis-empowerment.

Arts said:

buffy said:

I don’t get it.

different is not wrong. It made sense for me to change my name when I got married, for the kids. If we did’t have kids I probably would not have gotten married (we had already been together ten years before kids were even thought about). Also, it’s easier to spell Mr Arts’ surname than my maiden name, so it works all around for me.

I think choosing to change your name or not is not a sign of dis-empowerment.

Same here. My surname is constantly mispronounced and misspelled.

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

buffy said:

I don’t get it.

different is not wrong. It made sense for me to change my name when I got married, for the kids. If we did’t have kids I probably would not have gotten married (we had already been together ten years before kids were even thought about). Also, it’s easier to spell Mr Arts’ surname than my maiden name, so it works all around for me.

I think choosing to change your name or not is not a sign of dis-empowerment.

Same here. My surname is constantly mispronounced and misspelled.

Bummer. I would have thought your surname was one of the easy ones, without anything tricky in it. I mean, I’d expect it to be pronounced as it is spelt.

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

different is not wrong. It made sense for me to change my name when I got married, for the kids. If we did’t have kids I probably would not have gotten married (we had already been together ten years before kids were even thought about). Also, it’s easier to spell Mr Arts’ surname than my maiden name, so it works all around for me.

I think choosing to change your name or not is not a sign of dis-empowerment.

Same here. My surname is constantly mispronounced and misspelled.

Bummer. I would have thought your surname was one of the easy ones, without anything tricky in it. I mean, I’d expect it to be pronounced as it is spelt.

It is! People switch the d and the g.

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Same here. My surname is constantly mispronounced and misspelled.

Bummer. I would have thought your surname was one of the easy ones, without anything tricky in it. I mean, I’d expect it to be pronounced as it is spelt.

It is! People switch the d and the g.

Givine Andel?

Divine Angel said:

Michael V said:

Divine Angel said:

Same here. My surname is constantly mispronounced and misspelled.

Bummer. I would have thought your surname was one of the easy ones, without anything tricky in it. I mean, I’d expect it to be pronounced as it is spelt.

It is! People switch the d and the g.

Huh! I see how misreading that way would end up with all sorts of very odd pronunciations. Unfortunately, one can’t account for any particular individual’s sloppy reading.

sibeen said:

I’m fairly sure we all know that women can handle the subject, it’s whether they want to or not, and some of the strange things that come out of that.

When I was a reasonably junior eng back in about 1989 or 90 I was working for a manufacturing company in Melbourne where there was a shitload of travel involved as the product (UPS) was sold all around Australia and each item needed individual commissioning. There was about 10 engineers in this field group. We were approached by the companies 2IC, who was a woman, who called us into a meeting and explained that they were thinking about bringing a female eng into the group but wanted to run it past us all just in case there was a problem. We all looked at each other, shrugged our shoulders, mumbled ‘yeah, whatever’ and moved on. They hired her and it worked out OK.

In the last three years I’ve actually had the opportunity to mentor two young female engineers and have thoroughly enjoyed the experience.

Diversification still needs to be encouraged, unfortunately. Mentoring sounds like fun though!

buffy said:

But then again, I am surprised at people still changing their name when they marry. I didn’t…if Mr buffy didn’t want to take my name, there was no compelling reason for me to adopt his. So we didn’t. And yet recently my niece married and was all excited about changing her name. In every other respect she is a thoroughly modern woman. I don’t get it.

We need a new system where families get to have the same name but no heritage is promoted over another.

My wife and I nutted this out and couldn’t come up with anything that wasn’t increasingly laborious (e.g. hyphenation) and still had everyone in the family sporting the same surname (including kids).

In the end she was happy changing her name because her family sucks and she didn’t like her maiden name. But if that wasn’t the case I’m not sure what we would’ve done.

I don’t know, where to begin.
The first observation and a good starting point is that in the real world men are better at most things than women and unless we start some serious gender engineering we wont close the gap.

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t know, where to begin.
The first observation and a good starting point is that in the real world men are better at most things than women and unless we start some serious gender engineering we wont close the gap.

That would mostly be down to opportunity though

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t know, where to begin.
The first observation and a good starting point is that in the real world men are better at most things than women and unless we start some serious gender engineering we wont close the gap.

Berley?

Michael V said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t know, where to begin.
The first observation and a good starting point is that in the real world men are better at most things than women and unless we start some serious gender engineering we wont close the gap.

Berley?

We’re going to need a bigger boat.

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t know, where to begin.
The first observation and a good starting point is that in the real world men are better at most things than women and unless we start some serious gender engineering we wont close the gap.

Right….ffs.

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t know, where to begin.
The first observation and a good starting point is that in the real world men are better at most things than women and unless we start some serious gender engineering we wont close the gap.

That… seems a weird conclusion to come to.

Closing the gap has worked really well at the high school level. And it’s working increasingly at the university level, mostly. In many male dominated technical areas, women are doing just as much and just as well as the men. But the progress is far from complete and seems yet to have a significant impact on the workforce.

Kothos said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t know, where to begin.
The first observation and a good starting point is that in the real world men are better at most things than women and unless we start some serious gender engineering we wont close the gap.

That… seems a weird conclusion to come to.

Closing the gap has worked really well at the high school level. And it’s working increasingly at the university level, mostly. In many male dominated technical areas, women are doing just as much and just as well as the men. But the progress is far from complete and seems yet to have a significant impact on the workforce.

PWM is stirring.

Bogsnorkler said:

Kothos said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t know, where to begin.
The first observation and a good starting point is that in the real world men are better at most things than women and unless we start some serious gender engineering we wont close the gap.

That… seems a weird conclusion to come to.

Closing the gap has worked really well at the high school level. And it’s working increasingly at the university level, mostly. In many male dominated technical areas, women are doing just as much and just as well as the men. But the progress is far from complete and seems yet to have a significant impact on the workforce.

PWM is stirring.

Oh, thank you – that’s good to know!

Bogsnorkler said:

Kothos said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I don’t know, where to begin.
The first observation and a good starting point is that in the real world men are better at most things than women and unless we start some serious gender engineering we wont close the gap.

That… seems a weird conclusion to come to.

Closing the gap has worked really well at the high school level. And it’s working increasingly at the university level, mostly. In many male dominated technical areas, women are doing just as much and just as well as the men. But the progress is far from complete and seems yet to have a significant impact on the workforce.

PWM is stirring.

Actually it’s not stirring. In my experience when old men make thinly veiled jokes or “off-colour” comments it is showing their true self.

Kothos said:

buffy said:

But then again, I am surprised at people still changing their name when they marry. I didn’t…if Mr buffy didn’t want to take my name, there was no compelling reason for me to adopt his. So we didn’t. And yet recently my niece married and was all excited about changing her name. In every other respect she is a thoroughly modern woman. I don’t get it.

We need a new system where families get to have the same name but no heritage is promoted over another.

My wife and I nutted this out and couldn’t come up with anything that wasn’t increasingly laborious (e.g. hyphenation) and still had everyone in the family sporting the same surname (including kids).

In the end she was happy changing her name because her family sucks and she didn’t like her maiden name. But if that wasn’t the case I’m not sure what we would’ve done.

Although I had pretty much decided on no kids before we were married, the solution we had put in the attic was female children to take my surname and male children to take Mr buffy’s.

buffy said:

Kothos said:

buffy said:

But then again, I am surprised at people still changing their name when they marry. I didn’t…if Mr buffy didn’t want to take my name, there was no compelling reason for me to adopt his. So we didn’t. And yet recently my niece married and was all excited about changing her name. In every other respect she is a thoroughly modern woman. I don’t get it.

We need a new system where families get to have the same name but no heritage is promoted over another.

My wife and I nutted this out and couldn’t come up with anything that wasn’t increasingly laborious (e.g. hyphenation) and still had everyone in the family sporting the same surname (including kids).

In the end she was happy changing her name because her family sucks and she didn’t like her maiden name. But if that wasn’t the case I’m not sure what we would’ve done.

Although I had pretty much decided on no kids before we were married, the solution we had put in the attic was female children to take my surname and male children to take Mr buffy’s.

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

kii said:

buffy said:

Kothos said:

We need a new system where families get to have the same name but no heritage is promoted over another.

My wife and I nutted this out and couldn’t come up with anything that wasn’t increasingly laborious (e.g. hyphenation) and still had everyone in the family sporting the same surname (including kids).

In the end she was happy changing her name because her family sucks and she didn’t like her maiden name. But if that wasn’t the case I’m not sure what we would’ve done.

Although I had pretty much decided on no kids before we were married, the solution we had put in the attic was female children to take my surname and male children to take Mr buffy’s.

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

buffy said:

Although I had pretty much decided on no kids before we were married, the solution we had put in the attic was female children to take my surname and male children to take Mr buffy’s.

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

I will fund that..

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

buffy said:

Although I had pretty much decided on no kids before we were married, the solution we had put in the attic was female children to take my surname and male children to take Mr buffy’s.

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

Would you go back to your maiden name (what a silly way of calling it) or something else entirely

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

Would you go back to your maiden name (what a silly way of calling it) or something else entirely

Try “birth name”.

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

I will fund that..

No. This is my burden.

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

Would you go back to your maiden name (what a silly way of calling it) or something else entirely

I think so. There is something culturally rich about being McDowall and my dead dad would approve.

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

I will fund that..

No. This is my burden.

But thank you. You are tops. The best.

kii said:

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

Would you go back to your maiden name (what a silly way of calling it) or something else entirely

Try “birth name”.

better

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

Arts said:

I will fund that..

No. This is my burden.

But thank you. You are tops. The best.

I’m serious though.. I think it will lift you u, and I am all for that.

Arts said:

sarahs mum said:

sarahs mum said:

No. This is my burden.

But thank you. You are tops. The best.

I’m serious though.. I think it will lift you u, and I am all for that.

:) :)

You can choose any surname you want, SM. How about Awesome? Or Glittery. Or Scrumdiddlyumptious-Raspberry.

buffy said:

Although I had pretty much decided on no kids before we were married, the solution we had put in the attic was female children to take my surname and male children to take Mr buffy’s.

That has a symmetry to it, but I’m not sure I’d be comfortable with a gender divide in the family… I’d prefer all one name, or at least something that identifies us all together.

sarahs mum said:

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

How much does it cost?

Kothos said:

sarahs mum said:

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

How much does it cost?

Legally, nothing.

You just start using a different name. As long as you’re not doing it for purposes of some fraud, or to escape responsibilities like family support payments, tax, or debts, then it’s legal. You just have to adopt a name that you will acknowledge for all purposes henceforth.

You can do what used to be called ‘deed poll’, but that’s not a necessity.

Divine Angel said:

You can choose any surname you want, SM. How about Awesome? Or Glittery. Or Scrumdiddlyumptious-Raspberry.

I might have problems living up to those names.

We could just adopt a lineage for surnames with a new one added on when one gets married, both partners add the other partners name into the mix

sarahs mum said:

Divine Angel said:

You can choose any surname you want, SM. How about Awesome? Or Glittery. Or Scrumdiddlyumptious-Raspberry.

I might have problems living up to those names.

We get African-origin medical and nursing people here with beautiful first names like Sixpence, Sunshine, Glory, Silver, Blossom, Bountiful etc.

Cymek said:

We could just adopt a lineage for surnames with a new one added on when one gets married, both partners add the other partners name into the mix

Apparently there’s a trend to make up surnames when completing the registration form for newborns, usually a mashup of the parents’ surnames.

Kothos said:

sarahs mum said:

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

How much does it cost?

I don’t know how much deed polling costs. I think the big cost would be reissuing passport.

It does cost $800 minimum flag fall on a divorce thank you Mr Howard.

Divine Angel said:

Cymek said:

We could just adopt a lineage for surnames with a new one added on when one gets married, both partners add the other partners name into the mix

Apparently there’s a trend to make up surnames when completing the registration form for newborns, usually a mashup of the parents’ surnames.

Boots & Ganer equals bogan

captain_spalding said:

Kothos said:

sarahs mum said:

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

How much does it cost?

Legally, nothing.

You just start using a different name. As long as you’re not doing it for purposes of some fraud, or to escape responsibilities like family support payments, tax, or debts, then it’s legal. You just have to adopt a name that you will acknowledge for all purposes henceforth.

You can do what used to be called ‘deed poll’, but that’s not a necessity.

Surely the official issuers of various identification won’t just accept your word that your name is different.

sarahs mum said:

Kothos said:

sarahs mum said:

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

How much does it cost?

I don’t know how much deed polling costs. I think the big cost would be reissuing passport.

It does cost $800 minimum flag fall on a divorce thank you Mr Howard.

If it’s mainly the passport cost you’re worried about, I’ll pay for it.

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

buffy said:

Although I had pretty much decided on no kids before we were married, the solution we had put in the attic was female children to take my surname and male children to take Mr buffy’s.

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

IIRC, you can adopt a new name, and provided you stick with it, and start getting various things changed, after a period the Registrar General can be convinced that that’s your new name, legally.

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

IIRC, you can adopt a new name, and provided you stick with it, and start getting various things changed, after a period the Registrar General can be convinced that that’s your new name, legally.

I see Captain Spalding has dealt with this already.

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

IIRC, you can adopt a new name, and provided you stick with it, and start getting various things changed, after a period the Registrar General can be convinced that that’s your new name, legally.

I see Captain Spalding has dealt with this already.

if that is his real name!

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Michael V said:

IIRC, you can adopt a new name, and provided you stick with it, and start getting various things changed, after a period the Registrar General can be convinced that that’s your new name, legally.

I see Captain Spalding has dealt with this already.

if that is his real name!

It is he’s captain of the Pacific Princess

Cymek said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

I see Captain Spalding has dealt with this already.

if that is his real name!

It is he’s captain of the Pacific Princess

we studied crime on cruise ships… the sex crime statistics are really really scary. I feel like the fairy tale aspect of The Love Boat has done nothing but help perpetrate these crimes

Cymek said:

sarahs mum said:

kii said:

I wasn’t married to the father of my sons and I decided that both sons had both family names, no hyphens and they could decide what to use when they were adults. I told them to always use their legal names for official documents, unless they legally changed it. One son uses his father’s family name on fb, the other uses both.
AFAIK neither has done anything official.

My name is the one I was born with, sort of. Plus I am not a Mrs, even though I am now married.

I want to change my name. It irks me now that I am a Meeker. I have the name of a family who doesn’t give a shit about me and a man who was dishonourable. I need to find dollars to do such.

Would you go back to your maiden name (what a silly way of calling it) or something else entirely

My information is that as long as there is no intention to defraud, you can use whatever name you wish to use. Although changing it on some legal documents is probably difficult.

Oh, I see people already told you this.