https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

Interesting article on how hardware hacking of devices can occur.

Although there’s a fair chance that the article is incorrect :)

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/setting-the-record-straight-on-bloomberg-businessweeks-erroneous-article/

sibeen said:

Although there’s a fair chance that the article is incorrect :)

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/setting-the-record-straight-on-bloomberg-businessweeks-erroneous-article/

Quite likely to have been considered though

‘Daddy! I found a sword’: Girl, 8, pulls Iron Age weapon from Swedish lake – ABC News

I think that makes her the new Queen of Sweden.

captain_spalding said:

‘Daddy! I found a sword’: Girl, 8, pulls Iron Age weapon from Swedish lake – ABC News

I think that makes her the new Queen of Sweden.

I was just reading that.

sibeen said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

Interesting article on how hardware hacking of devices can occur.

just finished reading that, took a while

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

‘Daddy! I found a sword’: Girl, 8, pulls Iron Age weapon from Swedish lake – ABC News

I think that makes her the new Queen of Sweden.

I was just reading that.

Listen, strange women lyin’ in ponds distributin’ swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic
ceremony! You can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

captain_spalding said:

‘Daddy! I found a sword’: Girl, 8, pulls Iron Age weapon from Swedish lake – ABC News

I think that makes her the new Queen of Sweden.

I was just reading that.

Listen, strange women lyin’ in ponds distributin’ swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic
ceremony! You can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!

I think it would be very empowering for a young girl to find such a sword.

sibeen said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

Interesting article on how hardware hacking of devices can occur.

Extremely interesting article. May not be true of course, very little in the spy industry is ever fully verifiable. Eg. The hacking hardware may not be Chinese, or may not exist at all.

Pretty interesting. I too would have thought that this kind of thing was pie-in-the-sky, and at least, if attempted, once caught the perpetrator (China) would chicken out for a good long time, or teake years to recover and introduce new and different technology.

But anything’s possible.

Kothos said:

Pretty interesting. I too would have thought that this kind of thing was pie-in-the-sky, and at least, if attempted, once caught the perpetrator (China) would chicken out for a good long time, or teake years to recover and introduce new and different technology.

But anything’s possible.

The US installed spy hardware in photocopiers that were exported to the USSR IIRC.

Photocopiers are much simpler than computers though.

Shit, every printer currently produced has shit built in so that any page printed by it can be traced directly back to it.

Fair point – you’d just need to hack the transmission or any of a number of data storage points.

Kothos said:

Fair point – you’d just need to hack the transmission or any of a number of data storage points.

Nup, it actually prints it out onto the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

sibeen said:

Shit, every printer currently produced has shit built in so that any page printed by it can be traced directly back to it.

Really?

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Shit, every printer currently produced has shit built in so that any page printed by it can be traced directly back to it.

Really?

Photocopiers as well, they can trace any photocopied bottom back to the person

sibeen said:

Kothos said:

Fair point – you’d just need to hack the transmission or any of a number of data storage points.

Nup, it actually prints it out onto the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

Interesting. But only “certain colour laser printers”, not all printers.

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Shit, every printer currently produced has shit built in so that any page printed by it can be traced directly back to it.

Really?

Photocopiers as well, they can trace any photocopied bottom back to the person

Ha!

Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Michael V said:

Really?

Photocopiers as well, they can trace any photocopied bottom back to the person

Ha!

And that’s why you use the other department’s copier.

Then they can be the one’s getting their bums photographed for comparison.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Cymek said:

Photocopiers as well, they can trace any photocopied bottom back to the person

Ha!

And that’s why you use the other department’s copier.

Then they can be the one’s getting their bums photographed for comparison.

Bloody apostrophes.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Kothos said:

Fair point – you’d just need to hack the transmission or any of a number of data storage points.

Nup, it actually prints it out onto the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

Interesting. But only “certain colour laser printers”, not all printers.

I may have a bridge to sell, are you interested?

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Nup, it actually prints it out onto the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

Interesting. But only “certain colour laser printers”, not all printers.

I may have a bridge to sell, are you interested?

Too far.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Shit, every printer currently produced has shit built in so that any page printed by it can be traced directly back to it.

Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Kothos said:

Fair point – you’d just need to hack the transmission or any of a number of data storage points.

Nup, it actually prints it out onto the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

Interesting. But only “certain colour laser printers”, not all printers.

ahhh too late.

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Nup, it actually prints it out onto the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code

Interesting. But only “certain colour laser printers”, not all printers.

ahhh too late.

I think we could say that ‘certain’ would mean ‘the vast majority manufactured within the last few decades’.

I wonder if one way to defeat it might be to paste the image you want over the top of a larger image, and then print out the entire combined image – from which you snip out the wanted image, leaving the ‘border’ from the larger image behind, with its share of the IMC?

captain_spalding said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Michael V said:

Interesting. But only “certain colour laser printers”, not all printers.

ahhh too late.

I think we could say that ‘certain’ would mean ‘the vast majority manufactured within the last few decades’.

There’s a lot more printers out there than those “certain colour laser printers”. Ink-jet printers, black and white laser printers. Most of the home market, for instance. Does my Canon Pixma MP220 have this technology?

Michael V said:

captain_spalding said:

Bogsnorkler said:

ahhh too late.

I think we could say that ‘certain’ would mean ‘the vast majority manufactured within the last few decades’.

There’s a lot more printers out there than those “certain colour laser printers”. Ink-jet printers, black and white laser printers. Most of the home market, for instance. Does my Canon Pixma MP220 have this technology?

The IMC on colour printers is what we know about. It wasn’t widely known about for the first twenty years of its existence. We don’t know whetherr or what other methods are applied to other bits of gear.

No but I meant if someone outside the network wanted to get access to that data.