Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Does normalising the phenomenon increase the likelihood that disorders will develop?

Instead of predominantly focusing on people with poor health, should we increase the focus on those with good health, to learn and model more of their features that associate with and perhaps promote better health?

http://www.abc.net.au/life/how-to-support-teens-who-are-finishing-high-school/10364614

SCIENCE said:

Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Does normalising the phenomenon increase the likelihood that disorders will develop?

Instead of predominantly focusing on people with poor health, should we increase the focus on those with good health, to learn and model more of their features that associate with and perhaps promote better health?

http://www.abc.net.au/life/how-to-support-teens-who-are-finishing-high-school/10364614

Do we actually have sampes of good health to focus on?

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Does normalising the phenomenon increase the likelihood that disorders will develop?

Instead of predominantly focusing on people with poor health, should we increase the focus on those with good health, to learn and model more of their features that associate with and perhaps promote better health?

http://www.abc.net.au/life/how-to-support-teens-who-are-finishing-high-school/10364614

Do we actually have sampes of good health to focus on?

add an l in samples.

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Does normalising the phenomenon increase the likelihood that disorders will develop?

Instead of predominantly focusing on people with poor health, should we increase the focus on those with good health, to learn and model more of their features that associate with and perhaps promote better health?

http://www.abc.net.au/life/how-to-support-teens-who-are-finishing-high-school/10364614

Do we actually have sampes of good health to focus on?

Is there any form of emotional intelligence framework that covers all emotions ?

Fear and anxiety are emotions.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

SCIENCE said:

Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Does normalising the phenomenon increase the likelihood that disorders will develop?

Instead of predominantly focusing on people with poor health, should we increase the focus on those with good health, to learn and model more of their features that associate with and perhaps promote better health?

http://www.abc.net.au/life/how-to-support-teens-who-are-finishing-high-school/10364614

Do we actually have sampes of good health to focus on?

Is there any form of emotional intelligence framework that covers all emotions ?

Fear and anxiety are emotions.

I imagine the people lauded by general society as people worthy of emulating for the most part aren’t mentally health

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Do we actually have sampes of good health to focus on?

Is there any form of emotional intelligence framework that covers all emotions ?

Fear and anxiety are emotions.

I imagine the people lauded by general society as people worthy of emulating for the most part aren’t mentally health

Students should be educated about emotional intelligence and all emotions in the emotions table. 80 +

To be able to understand each positive and negative emotion and act accordingly to what is positive or negative.

For example, i’m currently reviewing education in NSW.

The HSC has been around for over 50 years now. It’s not new. Maybe it’s reporting bias but i suspect it would be a fallacy to blame “high-stakes high school graduation examinations” for anxiety disorders in teenagers in NSW.

Basic skills testing has been around for 30 years now. It’s not new. Maybe it’s reporting bias but i suspect it would be a fallacy to blame “high-stakes NAPLAN testing” for anxiety disorders in primary and secondary students in NSW.

Are there students who made it through all their compulsory schooling years, completing the assessment requirements, without suffering unduly from mental illness? Probably. Could other students learn from some of them? Probably.

SCIENCE said:

For example, i’m currently reviewing education in NSW.

The HSC has been around for over 50 years now. It’s not new. Maybe it’s reporting bias but i suspect it would be a fallacy to blame “high-stakes high school graduation examinations” for anxiety disorders in teenagers in NSW.

Basic skills testing has been around for 30 years now. It’s not new. Maybe it’s reporting bias but i suspect it would be a fallacy to blame “high-stakes NAPLAN testing” for anxiety disorders in primary and secondary students in NSW.

Are there students who made it through all their compulsory schooling years, completing the assessment requirements, without suffering unduly from mental illness? Probably. Could other students learn from some of them? Probably.

It’s fun when you answer your own threads eh.

poikilotherm said:

SCIENCE said:

For example, i’m currently reviewing education in NSW.

The HSC has been around for over 50 years now. It’s not new. Maybe it’s reporting bias but i suspect it would be a fallacy to blame “high-stakes high school graduation examinations” for anxiety disorders in teenagers in NSW.

Basic skills testing has been around for 30 years now. It’s not new. Maybe it’s reporting bias but i suspect it would be a fallacy to blame “high-stakes NAPLAN testing” for anxiety disorders in primary and secondary students in NSW.

Are there students who made it through all their compulsory schooling years, completing the assessment requirements, without suffering unduly from mental illness? Probably. Could other students learn from some of them? Probably.

It’s fun when you answer your own threads eh.

I’ve never ever posted in a thread that i started. Never. Ever.

There are still questions i posed initially, that i ask for answers to. They are the following.

SCIENCE said:

Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Does normalising the phenomenon increase the likelihood that disorders will develop?

Instead of predominantly focusing on people with poor health, should we increase the focus on those with good health, to learn and model more of their features that associate with and perhaps promote better health?

If they started teaching emotional intelligence maybe the domestic violence rates would drop.

Australian police deal with an estimated 657 domestic violence matters on average every day of the year. That’s one every two minutes.

So far today police in Australia would have dealt with on average
514 domestic violence matters

Those figures are based on data provided by police services around the country about how often their officers work on domestic violence cases.

Overall, the count is 239,846 per year around the country.

Were all these people taught emotional intelligence ?

unlikely

Stick your review up your arse.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Australian police deal with an estimated 657 domestic violence matters on average every day of the year. That’s one every two minutes.

So far today police in Australia would have dealt with on average
514 domestic violence matters

Those figures are based on data provided by police services around the country about how often their officers work on domestic violence cases.

Overall, the count is 239,846 per year around the country.

Were all these people taught emotional intelligence ?

unlikely

Stick your review up your arse.

From what I’ve read and it must be thousands by now, lots of DV is over jealously issues (real or imagined) when drunk or high

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Australian police deal with an estimated 657 domestic violence matters on average every day of the year. That’s one every two minutes.

So far today police in Australia would have dealt with on average
514 domestic violence matters

Those figures are based on data provided by police services around the country about how often their officers work on domestic violence cases.

Overall, the count is 239,846 per year around the country.

Were all these people taught emotional intelligence ?

unlikely

Stick your review up your arse.

From what I’ve read and it must be thousands by now, lots of DV is over jealously issues (real or imagined) when drunk or high

kids are not taught how to deal with jealously during puberty

they are not taught a lot of things about life education

rejection causes a lot a negative emotion

Many things about relationships are not taught at all.

like a cloaked pathologizing force, working the normal.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Australian police deal with an estimated 657 domestic violence matters on average every day of the year. That’s one every two minutes.

So far today police in Australia would have dealt with on average
514 domestic violence matters

Those figures are based on data provided by police services around the country about how often their officers work on domestic violence cases.

Overall, the count is 239,846 per year around the country.

Were all these people taught emotional intelligence ?

unlikely

Stick your review up your arse.

From what I’ve read and it must be thousands by now, lots of DV is over jealously issues (real or imagined) when drunk or high

kids are not taught how to deal with jealously during puberty

they are not taught a lot of things about life education

rejection causes a lot a negative emotion

Many things about relationships are not taught at all.

That ad with the angry boy (and the girl being told its just how boys are) turning into a violent man has a lot of merit to it

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

From what I’ve read and it must be thousands by now, lots of DV is over jealously issues (real or imagined) when drunk or high

kids are not taught how to deal with jealously during puberty

they are not taught a lot of things about life education

rejection causes a lot a negative emotion

Many things about relationships are not taught at all.

That ad with the angry boy (and the girl being told its just how boys are) turning into a violent man has a lot of merit to it

When emotional intelligence is taught in public and private schools we will see a decline in domestic violence

Until that happens there will be no decline

Go review that OP

heard Iggy Pop mention in a documentary recently, of the US, something like all everyone does is work.

australia’s fairly much fucked like that.

transition said:

heard Iggy Pop mention in a documentary recently, of the US, something like all everyone does is work.

australia’s fairly much fucked like that.

And most people don’t mind their own business

transition said:

heard Iggy Pop mention in a documentary recently, of the US, something like all everyone does is work.

australia’s fairly much fucked like that.

People like stuff. Crazy i know. In the end however it is our consumption dominated economic prosperity that pays for the ever expanding health system and our falling mortality rates and high life expectancy.

Kids should be taught emotional intelligence at an early age so they cope much better with relationships as they get older.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Kids should be taught emotional intelligence at an early age so they cope much better with relationships as they get older.

You’re ruminating.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Kids should be taught emotional intelligence at an early age so they cope much better with relationships as they get older.

You’re ruminating.

I tend to ruminate when I have run out of pot.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Kids should be taught emotional intelligence at an early age so they cope much better with relationships as they get older.

You’re ruminating.

I tend to ruminate when I have run out of pot.

If you don’t smoke it all there will be some left to chew on.

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

heard Iggy Pop mention in a documentary recently, of the US, something like all everyone does is work.

australia’s fairly much fucked like that.

People like stuff. Crazy i know. In the end however it is our consumption dominated economic prosperity that pays for the ever expanding health system and our falling mortality rates and high life expectancy.

I wonder if there are cultures where materialism and individual ownership are not as highly valued as wellbeing across the society, and i wonder if such societies could achieve as much development as our present-day society.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Kids should be taught emotional intelligence at an early age so they cope much better with relationships as they get older.

You’re ruminating.

It’s a cow of a job, but someone has to do it.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

heard Iggy Pop mention in a documentary recently, of the US, something like all everyone does is work.

australia’s fairly much fucked like that.

People like stuff. Crazy i know. In the end however it is our consumption dominated economic prosperity that pays for the ever expanding health system and our falling mortality rates and high life expectancy.

I wonder if there are cultures where materialism and individual ownership are not as highly valued as wellbeing across the society, and i wonder if such societies could achieve as much development as our present-day society.

I wonder if development could be achieved without materialism and individual ownership ?

More ruminating.

Does anyone think we will ever see a reduction in domestic violence ?

Or is it going to just stay the same ?

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Kids should be taught emotional intelligence at an early age so they cope much better with relationships as they get older.

You’re ruminating.

It’s a cow of a job, but someone has to do it.

BULL!

Tau.Neutrino said:

More ruminating.

Does anyone think we will ever see a reduction in domestic violence ?

Or is it going to just stay the same ?

Belting up the wife used to be tolerated so it’s getting rarer but certainly not as quickly as it should be.

SCIENCE said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

heard Iggy Pop mention in a documentary recently, of the US, something like all everyone does is work.

australia’s fairly much fucked like that.

People like stuff. Crazy i know. In the end however it is our consumption dominated economic prosperity that pays for the ever expanding health system and our falling mortality rates and high life expectancy.

I wonder if there are cultures where materialism and individual ownership are not as highly valued as wellbeing across the society, and i wonder if such societies could achieve as much development as our present-day society.

what’s lost, is that anything outside an ideological construction (fairly much work-centred) is bastardized.

probably something emerging similar to japan decades back, there are people out there that have a model in mind like that, for Australia.

being nicely fucken organized. They can fuck off.

big push at the moment is to get kids to school…cough (think childcare) younger.

work, it’s becoming a religion, puts the heathens on the treadmill. Even the PM’d be pleased, heathens on the treadmill of work-think, which is Right Think.

many won’t ever be able to imagine different, exactly how it’s meant to be.

SCIENCE said:

Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Does normalising the phenomenon increase the likelihood that disorders will develop?

Instead of predominantly focusing on people with poor health, should we increase the focus on those with good health, to learn and model more of their features that associate with and perhaps promote better health?

http://www.abc.net.au/life/how-to-support-teens-who-are-finishing-high-school/10364614

All good questions.

I should think the answer is “yes, at least partly” to all of them.

SCIENCE said:

Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Does normalising the phenomenon increase the likelihood that disorders will develop?

Instead of predominantly focusing on people with poor health, should we increase the focus on those with good health, to learn and model more of their features that associate with and perhaps promote better health?

http://www.abc.net.au/life/how-to-support-teens-who-are-finishing-high-school/10364614

For the past year I’ve held two opposite and conflicting ideas about school.

My old opinion is:

• School is great but the curriculum is abysmal. The curriculum is about 100 years out of date in all subjects. Even the ancient Roman trivium & quadrivium would be better.

My new opinion is:

• “The brain is of limited capacity so it is not to be filled with things for which I have not further use”, Sherlock Holmes. Anxiety among schoolkids in later years is often because their brain is so full of rubbish that they can’t learn any more.
• The old Russian system was to test aptitude at a very early age and teach to that aptitude.
• If you teach children a fixed curriculum then they can’t get jobs because the jobs they’re qualified for – everyone is qualified for. And the jobs they’re not qualified for – nobody is qualified for.

In other words, it’s not just the standard curriculum that’s abysmal. It’s the very notion that there should be a standard curriculum that is wrong.

I’m vacillating between the two alternatives.

>In other words, it’s not just the standard curriculum that’s abysmal. It’s the very notion that there should be a standard curriculum that is wrong.

imagine a nature outside the work of human minds. Hold that.

there will come a time, that will be entirely an act of imagination, the only place it exists.

welcome the Lie.

>Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Perhaps it’s only relatively recently that more people are asking whether a life full of anxiety is worth the supposed rewards on offer.

transition said:

>In other words, it’s not just the standard curriculum that’s abysmal. It’s the very notion that there should be a standard curriculum that is wrong.

imagine a nature outside the work of human minds. Hold that.

there will come a time, that will be entirely an act of imagination, the only place it exists.

welcome the Lie.

OK, I follow that, almost.
Perhaps I can express it back to front.

The more it is totally wrong (contrary to nature) the hotter the debate.
The hotter the debate, the more familiar it is and therefore the more it is accepted as true.
Then there will come a time when only false things are accepted as true.
welcome the Lie.

Back to education, you know I’m reading more Ion Idriess, in this case the second half of “In crocodile land”. The first half is more about crocodiles and wildlife (water buffalo, cranes etc.). The second half is more about wild aborigines – facile attempts at duplicity, danger, moral standards, how they learn, how they hunt, individual personalities.

And I can’t help contrasting modern education to the way that wild aborigines were educated. And the differences in anxiety level among the wild aboriginals to that among the “civilized” aboriginals.

Life skills would be useful

Filling out tax forms, don’t trust just one or two sources for news/information, social media and why it doesn’t matter a damn, popularity in high schools just say fuck it and get on with learning.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

>In other words, it’s not just the standard curriculum that’s abysmal. It’s the very notion that there should be a standard curriculum that is wrong.

imagine a nature outside the work of human minds. Hold that.

there will come a time, that will be entirely an act of imagination, the only place it exists.

welcome the Lie.

OK, I follow that, almost.
Perhaps I can express it back to front.

The more it is totally wrong (contrary to nature) the hotter the debate.
The hotter the debate, the more familiar it is and therefore the more it is accepted as true.
Then there will come a time when only false things are accepted as true.
welcome the Lie.
…./cut/…..

my point was there is no rest, no retreat, no home in the head, or the home the head is seriously challenged when the environment-of-ideas dominates so (ideology). The psychological environment that disallows a retreat from the work of minds, reality determined so, that’s a form of hostility, an authoritarianism. The work of demons, real as real.

a lovely device to keep the heathens on the treadmill, being there shall be no nature outside what minds do. There will be no holiday from that business.

you see it around, the demons, their work, a cloaked religious-like faith in the social construction of reality, in views that parade as near something opposite, like you are your choices (the choices you make). It sounds good, but deconstructed the fucker’s nasty, really nasty.

transition said:

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

>In other words, it’s not just the standard curriculum that’s abysmal. It’s the very notion that there should be a standard curriculum that is wrong.

imagine a nature outside the work of human minds. Hold that.

there will come a time, that will be entirely an act of imagination, the only place it exists.

welcome the Lie.

OK, I follow that, almost.
Perhaps I can express it back to front.

The more it is totally wrong (contrary to nature) the hotter the debate.
The hotter the debate, the more familiar it is and therefore the more it is accepted as true.
Then there will come a time when only false things are accepted as true.
welcome the Lie.
…./cut/…..

my point was there is no rest, no retreat, no home in the head, or the home the head is seriously challenged when the environment-of-ideas dominates so (ideology). The psychological environment that disallows a retreat from the work of minds, reality determined so, that’s a form of hostility, an authoritarianism. The work of demons, real as real.

a lovely device to keep the heathens on the treadmill, being there shall be no nature outside what minds do. There will be no holiday from that business.

you see it around, the demons, their work, a cloaked religious-like faith in the social construction of reality, in views that parade as near something opposite, like you are your choices (the choices you make). It sounds good, but deconstructed the fucker’s nasty, really nasty.

Work, home, chores, sleep, work
Work to live, live so you can work, sweet hey is that all life is

Apologies for my outburst, it was uncalled for.

mollwollfumble said:

SCIENCE said:

Is it expected that high school students develop anxiety and stress-related disorders these days?

Does normalising the phenomenon increase the likelihood that disorders will develop?

Instead of predominantly focusing on people with poor health, should we increase the focus on those with good health, to learn and model more of their features that associate with and perhaps promote better health?

http://www.abc.net.au/life/how-to-support-teens-who-are-finishing-high-school/10364614

For the past year I’ve held two opposite and conflicting ideas about school.

My old opinion is:

• School is great but the curriculum is abysmal. The curriculum is about 100 years out of date in all subjects. Even the ancient Roman trivium & quadrivium would be better.

My new opinion is:

• “The brain is of limited capacity so it is not to be filled with things for which I have not further use”, Sherlock Holmes. Anxiety among schoolkids in later years is often because their brain is so full of rubbish that they can’t learn any more.
• The old Russian system was to test aptitude at a very early age and teach to that aptitude.
• If you teach children a fixed curriculum then they can’t get jobs because the jobs they’re qualified for – everyone is qualified for. And the jobs they’re not qualified for – nobody is qualified for.

In other words, it’s not just the standard curriculum that’s abysmal. It’s the very notion that there should be a standard curriculum that is wrong.

I’m vacillating between the two alternatives.

as a former high school teacher I have always been of the opinion that school does’t teach us stuff it teaches us habits.

Arts said:

as a former high school teacher I have always been of the opinion that school does’t teach us stuff it teaches us habits.

Fair enough. And anything that separates children from computer games and underage sex has to be a good thing.

>Work, home, chores, sleep, work
Work to live, live so you can work, sweet hey is that all life is

nothing at all wrong with work, chores, diurnal patterns etc, they are as essential as breathing, and the air you breathe.

but like the air you breathe is invisible, as water is to a fish maybe it swims in, it’s the dominance of Work Think, like Right Think, that it subtly permeates all and everything, and becomes what all is seen through, here’s a distortion.