My simple question is are you for or against opening the door to nuclear power plants in Australia?

Yes or No ?

Not really.

party_pants said:

Not really.

Apparently this subject is on the discussion table I believe. Time will tell what path they take.

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

Not really.

Apparently this subject is on the discussion table I believe. Time will tell what path they take.

10 years ago I would have said yes. Now I think we can get away without it.

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

Not really.

Apparently this subject is on the discussion table I believe. Time will tell what path they take.

10 years ago I would have said yes. Now I think we can get away without it.

thinking about how to reduce living expenses was the motivation (I believe)

My notion: explore and implement solar, wind and water power generation systems first, along with systems and education to reduce energy dependency.

Nuclear should be a last resort.

monkey skipper said:

party_pants said:

monkey skipper said:

Apparently this subject is on the discussion table I believe. Time will tell what path they take.

10 years ago I would have said yes. Now I think we can get away without it.

thinking about how to reduce living expenses was the motivation (I believe)

If that is the motivation – gas pipeline from the north-north/west to the eastern seaboard. Combined cycle gas turbine power stations. Could be done within 3-5 years using today’s technology.

Michael V said:

My notion: explore and implement solar, wind and water power generation systems first, along with systems and education to reduce energy dependency.

Nuclear should be a last resort.

Fusion is probably only about 10 years away.

party_pants said:

If that is the motivation – gas pipeline from the north-north/west to the eastern seaboard. Combined cycle gas turbine power stations. Could be done within 3-5 years using today’s technology.

Or just pay the Japanese or Koreans to build a few of those LNG ships and sail it around by ship. About the same time frame.

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

My notion: explore and implement solar, wind and water power generation systems first, along with systems and education to reduce energy dependency.

Nuclear should be a last resort.

Fusion is probably only about 10 years away.

ref?

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

My notion: explore and implement solar, wind and water power generation systems first, along with systems and education to reduce energy dependency.

Nuclear should be a last resort.

Fusion is probably only about 10 years away.

ref?

Some paper published 30 years ago :)

fusion is about 150000000 km away

dv said:

fusion is about 150000000 km away

And it’s not that difficult to collect some energy from it, either.

do we know how many years worth of uranium we have to meet the current export demand ?

monkey skipper said:

do we know how many years worth of uranium we have to meet the current export demand ?

About 200 years, but note that there is more that can be tapped profitably if the price goes higher.

I would put down a ‘qualified’ yes
A baseline of nuclear, as small as is possible with giving a stable grid
Immediate shutdown of all polluting powerstations- in particular coal- but with the eventual closing of all other fossil fuel powerstations
As much renewables as we can comfortably handle
Increased ways of storing renewables- pumped hydro, storage banks, whatever we can come up with
Nuclear waste is not the bugabear that many make out, political issues are the most important/unimportant issue here, the entire years waste (minus shielding) literally could fit in a single truck… breeder reactors can reduce this to insignificant issues, but are frowned upon because they produce plutonium, and some countries don’t want other countries to have the ability to make it
Modern designs that fail safe rather than fail unsafe are available (Fukushima was a 1950’s based design as was Chernobyl, we don’t drive around in 1950’s cars, and we shouldn’t build 1950’s style reactors)
But still, as little as is possible
Coal- hell no
Gas, phase out as soon as possible

It’s pronounced nyooyooular.

LOL

Woodie said:

It’s pronounced nyooyooular.

Where’s the k?

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

It’s pronounced nyookyooular.

Where’s the k?

Wah? Can’t you see it?

Woodie said:

Michael V said:

Woodie said:

It’s pronounced nyookyooular.

Where’s the k?

Wah? Can’t you see it?

rubs eyes

I must be going blind.

“Nuclear waste is not the bugabear that many make”

Could nuclear waste be put back into the ground where it came from i.e. when a uranium mine site is exhausted?

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

If that is the motivation – gas pipeline from the north-north/west to the eastern seaboard. Combined cycle gas turbine power stations. Could be done within 3-5 years using today’s technology.

Or just pay the Japanese or Koreans to build a few of those LNG ships and sail it around by ship. About the same time frame.

The main issue is the wholesale cost of gas here, we’re sucking it up and allowing companies to sell it overseas at less than market rates, and not reserving any for domestic use…then we are buying it back from the same companies at a premium, driving up wholesale prices.

Reserve some domestic gas, and most of the power issues go away. As gas is the marginal cost producer, it sets the bar for all other power generation (it’s the cheapest).

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

party_pants said:

If that is the motivation – gas pipeline from the north-north/west to the eastern seaboard. Combined cycle gas turbine power stations. Could be done within 3-5 years using today’s technology.

Or just pay the Japanese or Koreans to build a few of those LNG ships and sail it around by ship. About the same time frame.

The main issue is the wholesale cost of gas here, we’re sucking it up and allowing companies to sell it overseas at less than market rates, and not reserving any for domestic use…then we are buying it back from the same companies at a premium, driving up wholesale prices.

Reserve some domestic gas, and most of the power issues go away. As gas is the marginal cost producer, it sets the bar for all other power generation (it’s the cheapest).

“The main issue is the wholesale cost of gas here, we’re sucking it up and allowing companies to sell it overseas at less than market rates, and not reserving any for domestic use…then we are buying it back from the same companies at a premium, driving up wholesale prices. “

I wonder what caused that to happen?

Captain Spalding – would you care to explain?

party_pants said:

If that is the motivation – gas pipeline from the north-north/west to the eastern seaboard. Combined cycle gas turbine power stations. Could be done within 3-5 years using today’s technology.

It was to be done in 1974, Mr Panty Parts. You don’t remember Gough Whitlam, Jim Cairns, Rex Connor and more particularly Tirath Khemlani?

i like the fusion power at a distance option

Molten-salt thorium reactors for me. Or better still Dense Plasma Fusion.
But the days of nuclear power, clean and safe as it is, are numbered. Solar power is rapidly becoming cheaper than pretty much anything else – It’s just the excess power storage that really needs to be refined & cheapenified.

monkey skipper said:

My simple question is are you for or against opening the door to nuclear power plants in Australia?

Yes or No ?

Yes, I am for or against opening the door to nuclear power in Australia.

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

If that is the motivation – gas pipeline from the north-north/west to the eastern seaboard. Combined cycle gas turbine power stations. Could be done within 3-5 years using today’s technology.

It was to be done in 1974, Mr Panty Parts. You don’t remember Gough Whitlam, Jim Cairns, Rex Connor and more particularly Tirath Khemlani?

No. I was fucking 2 years old in 1974.

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

If that is the motivation – gas pipeline from the north-north/west to the eastern seaboard. Combined cycle gas turbine power stations. Could be done within 3-5 years using today’s technology.

It was to be done in 1974, Mr Panty Parts. You don’t remember Gough Whitlam, Jim Cairns, Rex Connor and more particularly Tirath Khemlani?

No. I was fucking 2 years old in 1974.

Jim Cairns was fucking Junie Morosi.

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

If that is the motivation – gas pipeline from the north-north/west to the eastern seaboard. Combined cycle gas turbine power stations. Could be done within 3-5 years using today’s technology.

It was to be done in 1974, Mr Panty Parts. You don’t remember Gough Whitlam, Jim Cairns, Rex Connor and more particularly Tirath Khemlani?

No. I was fucking 2 years old in 1974.

Jim Cairns was fucking Junie Morosi.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

It was to be done in 1974, Mr Panty Parts. You don’t remember Gough Whitlam, Jim Cairns, Rex Connor and more particularly Tirath Khemlani?

No. I was fucking 2 years old in 1974.

Jim Cairns was fucking Junie Morosi.

Well, bully for them.

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

No. I was fucking 2 years old in 1974.

Jim Cairns was fucking Junie Morosi.

Well, bully for them.

it was time.

Boris said:

party_pants said:

sibeen said:

Jim Cairns was fucking Junie Morosi.

Well, bully for them.

it was time.

I’d laugh, but I’m not allowed to.

sibeen said:

Boris said:

party_pants said:

Well, bully for them.

it was time.

I’d laugh, but I’m not allowed to.

Nah you’re fine, laugh away.

While you’re at it I’ll mention growing oil from algae once again, using saline groundwater in the outback.

monkey skipper said:

My simple question is are you for or against opening the door to nuclear power plants in Australia?

Yes or No ?

During the cold war I would have said “no”, because there was too much risk of nuclear materials being used as weapons of mass destruction.

The breakup of the USSR in 1991 didn’t make me that much more comfortable, because the USA didn’t disarm.

With the nuclear disarmament of the USA in 2009, the time became ripe for nuclear power in Australia.