>>Crows and their close relatives ravens are known to be quite intelligent, with scientific experiments showing how they can hitch rides on bald eagles and remember the faces of captors. New research has now uncovered a previously unknown ability, with crows being observed building tools from multiple parts for the first time ever.

In what is described as an astonishing mental feat, scientists at the University of Oxford and Max Planck Institute for Ornithology have watched on as New Caledonian crows assembled implements from smaller component parts.<<

https://newatlas.com/crows-build-tools-multiple-parts/56970/

Well done birds, certainly something to —— about

Yeah but, were the birds trained to do it?
Training the birds to do it is completely different to them working it out.
Cockatoos can be trained to ride bikes and perform all sorts of very clever tricks.

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah but, were the birds trained to do it?
Training the birds to do it is completely different to them working it out.
Cockatoos can be trained to ride bikes and perform all sorts of very clever tricks.

>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah but, were the birds trained to do it?
Training the birds to do it is completely different to them working it out.
Cockatoos can be trained to ride bikes and perform all sorts of very clever tricks.

It said they worked it out themselves.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah but, were the birds trained to do it?
Training the birds to do it is completely different to them working it out.
Cockatoos can be trained to ride bikes and perform all sorts of very clever tricks.

>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

I think he’s jealous.

Next thing, they’ll be applying for liquor licenses so they can make crow bars.

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Yeah but, were the birds trained to do it?
Training the birds to do it is completely different to them working it out.
Cockatoos can be trained to ride bikes and perform all sorts of very clever tricks.

>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

I think he’s jealous.

When they say no assistance I reckon they are lying, I reckon they demonstrated to the birds how to do it and the rewards involved.

captain_spalding said:

Next thing, they’ll be applying for liquor licenses so they can make crow bars.

I’ll go and warm up the car.

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

Next thing, they’ll be applying for liquor licenses so they can make crow bars.

I’ll go and warm up the car.

Thank you, thank you, you’ve been a wonderful audience. I’m here all week. Try the veal.

If they rolled around in leaves they’d be an (in)famous Australian actor

Peak Warming Man said:

PermeateFree said:

Bubblecar said:

>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

I think he’s jealous.

When they say no assistance I reckon they are lying, I reckon they demonstrated to the birds how to do it and the rewards involved.

If so the entire experiment is invalid.

Crows have been observed in the wild learning from each other in regards to tool making
They cut a specific shape out of a leaf to use as a tool to reach insects hiding in logs

Cymek said:

Crows have been observed in the wild learning from each other in regards to tool making
They cut a specific shape out of a leaf to use as a tool to reach insects hiding in logs

Stop giving PWM ideas.

>>>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

Isn’t replacing the components with smaller pieces, assisting the birds?

Tau.Neutrino said:

>>>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

Isn’t replacing the components with smaller pieces, assisting the birds?

Wasn’t the idea to see if they had the smarts to join them together as on their own the smaller pieces weren’t useful.

Tau.Neutrino said:

>>>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

Isn’t replacing the components with smaller pieces, assisting the birds?

It’s the fitting together to make the tool that is the important bit, it shows imagination, memory and purpose.

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

>>>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

Isn’t replacing the components with smaller pieces, assisting the birds?

It’s the fitting together to make the tool that is the important bit, it shows imagination, memory and purpose.

The long term project is to get them to assemble Ikea furniture and see what they do when one screw or plug is missing

Cymek said:

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

>>>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

Isn’t replacing the components with smaller pieces, assisting the birds?

It’s the fitting together to make the tool that is the important bit, it shows imagination, memory and purpose.

The long term project is to get them to assemble Ikea furniture and see what they do when one screw or plug is missing

:) Bet they would give it a go.

captain_spalding said:

Next thing, they’ll be applying for liquor licenses so they can make crow bars.

snigger

PermeateFree said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

>>>With no assistance at all, four of the eight crows were able to assemble one small piece into another to build a composite tool of the length required to reach the food. The scientists took things even further, replacing the components with even smaller pieces, with one enterprising crow by the name of Mango able to combine three and even four components to get the job done.

Isn’t replacing the components with smaller pieces, assisting the birds?

It’s the fitting together to make the tool that is the important bit, it shows imagination, memory and purpose.

I know they can pull things apart. As I reported here last night, I watched a raven go to a blackbird nest in our machinery shed last evening, drag out a baby, drop it on the ground and pull it to bits. It was less successful at putting it back together again, except in the form of more raven…

PermeateFree said:

>>Crows and their close relatives ravens are known to be quite intelligent, with scientific experiments showing how they can hitch rides on bald eagles and remember the faces of captors. New research has now uncovered a previously unknown ability, with crows being observed building tools from multiple parts for the first time ever.

In what is described as an astonishing mental feat, scientists at the University of Oxford and Max Planck Institute for Ornithology have watched on as New Caledonian crows assembled implements from smaller component parts.<<

https://newatlas.com/crows-build-tools-multiple-parts/56970/

PBS: A Murder Of Crows (Full Documentary) (1:23:20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBJKPwIFzDI

‘In what is described as an astonishing mental feat, scientists at the University of Oxford and Max Planck Institute for Ornithology have watched on as New Caledonian crows assembled implements from smaller component parts.”

That makes it sound like the scientists watching on was the astonishing mental feat.

AwesomeO said:

‘In what is described as an astonishing mental feat, scientists at the University of Oxford and Max Planck Institute for Ornithology have watched on as New Caledonian crows assembled implements from smaller component parts.”

That makes it sound like the scientists watching on was the astonishing mental feat.

Watching something assemble flatpack is pretty boring.

poikilotherm said:

AwesomeO said:

‘In what is described as an astonishing mental feat, scientists at the University of Oxford and Max Planck Institute for Ornithology have watched on as New Caledonian crows assembled implements from smaller component parts.”

That makes it sound like the scientists watching on was the astonishing mental feat.

Watching something assemble flatpack is pretty boring.

So all the humans with Ikea are some things rather than some ones?