Date: 2/11/2018 18:11:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1297770
Subject: Things we should be doing

Things we should be doing.

Teaching emotional intelligence to everyone
Stoping bully behavior across all of society around the world.
Reduce world population
Planting more trees
Bring industrial waste to close to zero as possible
Planting more ocean plants
Making companies more aware and responsible for the environment
Reduce creek, river and seawater pollution
Cleaning up plastics in the environment
Breeding more fish
Accepting that humanity has an effect on the environment
Accepting that humanity is reducing other lifeforms and contributing to their extinction
We need to stop species becoming extinct
We need to reduce our energy consumption by using smarter energy saving techniques
Building houses to a better energy saving standard
building smaller homes
Taxing larger homes
Building smaller cars
Taxing larger cars and domestic vehicles
Bring manufacturing energy levels down
Focusing on more efficient engines and technologies for transport
Reducing domestic waste towards zero
Recycling 100 percent waste
Reducing emissions and pollution in the atmosphere
Eliminating non nonrenewables as much as possible
Stop coal mining
Reduce other mining operations.
We need to electrify out cars more and make transport more efficient, reducing time at traffic lights using smarter technologies.
Create more environment jobs worldwide
Build more solar power stations worldwide
Create more fish farms worldwide
Reduce micro plastics in the food chain and in the environment…
Work out accurate sustainable population levels.
Creating more efficient heating and cooling systems

There are heaps of other things to need to do.

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:24:00
From: transition
ID: 1297776
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

voluntary extinction, neutrino, how do you feel about that.

you’re intelligent, and conscious, and a bit of a smith virus given your propensity for loose use of the inclusive we, you also secretly enjoy being a member of the dominant species.

your answer to the dominance is a bigger conscience. The possibility of a territorial conscience, multiplied, doesn’t occur to you.

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:32:08
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1297780
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

transition said:


voluntary extinction, neutrino, how do you feel about that.

you’re intelligent, and conscious, and a bit of a smith virus given your propensity for loose use of the inclusive we, you also secretly enjoy being a member of the dominant species.

your answer to the dominance is a bigger conscience. The possibility of a territorial conscience, multiplied, doesn’t occur to you.

Still having issues with the word “we” Transition.

I have no programs with voluntary euthanasia worldwide, I think we might need it. Something else to put on the list of Things we need to do.

Other than that, you are talking nonsense.

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:35:54
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1297783
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Tau.Neutrino said:


transition said:

voluntary extinction, neutrino, how do you feel about that.

you’re intelligent, and conscious, and a bit of a smith virus given your propensity for loose use of the inclusive we, you also secretly enjoy being a member of the dominant species.

your answer to the dominance is a bigger conscience. The possibility of a territorial conscience, multiplied, doesn’t occur to you.

Still having issues with the word “we” Transition.

I have no programs with voluntary euthanasia worldwide, I think we might need it. Something else to put on the list of Things we need to do.

Other than that, you are talking nonsense.

It’s like an irresistible force against a immovable object.

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:38:47
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1297788
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Witty Rejoinder said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

transition said:

voluntary extinction, neutrino, how do you feel about that.

you’re intelligent, and conscious, and a bit of a smith virus given your propensity for loose use of the inclusive we, you also secretly enjoy being a member of the dominant species.

your answer to the dominance is a bigger conscience. The possibility of a territorial conscience, multiplied, doesn’t occur to you.

Still having issues with the word “we” Transition.

I have no programs with voluntary euthanasia worldwide, I think we might need it. Something else to put on the list of Things we need to do.

Other than that, you are talking nonsense.

It’s like an irresistible force against a immovable object.

I think Transition is religious, a creationist maybe?

Either way he has a closed mind on some matters.

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:46:00
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1297800
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

What is a smith virus?

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:47:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1297802
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

The Rev Dodgson said:


What is a smith virus?

“we” I think.

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:48:26
From: Cymek
ID: 1297803
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

The Rev Dodgson said:


What is a smith virus?

You complain about your back, call everyone a bubbleheaded booby and betray people

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:49:21
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1297804
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Cymek said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

What is a smith virus?

You complain about your back, call everyone a bubbleheaded booby and betray people

:)

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:51:09
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1297806
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

The Rev Dodgson said:


What is a smith virus?

Could be a ‘The Matrix’ film meme.

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Date: 2/11/2018 18:51:50
From: Cymek
ID: 1297809
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

transition said:


voluntary extinction, neutrino, how do you feel about that.

you’re intelligent, and conscious, and a bit of a smith virus given your propensity for loose use of the inclusive we, you also secretly enjoy being a member of the dominant species.

your answer to the dominance is a bigger conscience. The possibility of a territorial conscience, multiplied, doesn’t occur to you.

Nothing wrong with being a member of the dominant species, gives us intelligence to ponder things, make discoveries, build things and so on unfortunately gives us the ability to wreck things and generally be disagreeable and horrible. The problem I suppose is dominance = destruction, and we may not be able to overcome what is hard wired into our brains

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Date: 2/11/2018 19:11:50
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1297832
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Tau.Neutrino said:


Things we should be doing.

Teaching emotional intelligence to everyone
Stoping bully behavior across all of society around the world.
Reduce world population
Planting more trees
Bring industrial waste to close to zero as possible
Planting more ocean plants
Making companies more aware and responsible for the environment
Reduce creek, river and seawater pollution
Cleaning up plastics in the environment
Breeding more fish
Accepting that humanity has an effect on the environment
Accepting that humanity is reducing other lifeforms and contributing to their extinction
We need to stop species becoming extinct
We need to reduce our energy consumption by using smarter energy saving techniques
Building houses to a better energy saving standard
building smaller homes
Taxing larger homes
Building smaller cars
Taxing larger cars and domestic vehicles
Bring manufacturing energy levels down
Focusing on more efficient engines and technologies for transport
Reducing domestic waste towards zero
Recycling 100 percent waste
Reducing emissions and pollution in the atmosphere
Eliminating non nonrenewables as much as possible
Stop coal mining
Reduce other mining operations.
We need to electrify out cars more and make transport more efficient, reducing time at traffic lights using smarter technologies.
Create more environment jobs worldwide
Build more solar power stations worldwide
Create more fish farms worldwide
Reduce micro plastics in the food chain and in the environment…
Work out accurate sustainable population levels.
Creating more efficient heating and cooling systems

There are heaps of other things to need to do.

Getting back to you on that. I see that you believe in perpetual motion.

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Date: 2/11/2018 19:23:29
From: Michael V
ID: 1297850
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Tau.Neutrino said:


Things we should be doing.

Teaching emotional intelligence to everyone
Stoping bully behavior across all of society around the world.
Reduce world population
Planting more trees
Bring industrial waste to close to zero as possible
Planting more ocean plants
Making companies more aware and responsible for the environment
Reduce creek, river and seawater pollution
Cleaning up plastics in the environment
Breeding more fish
Accepting that humanity has an effect on the environment
Accepting that humanity is reducing other lifeforms and contributing to their extinction
We need to stop species becoming extinct
We need to reduce our energy consumption by using smarter energy saving techniques
Building houses to a better energy saving standard
building smaller homes
Taxing larger homes
Building smaller cars
Taxing larger cars and domestic vehicles
Bring manufacturing energy levels down
Focusing on more efficient engines and technologies for transport
Reducing domestic waste towards zero
Recycling 100 percent waste
Reducing emissions and pollution in the atmosphere
Eliminating non nonrenewables as much as possible
Stop coal mining
Reduce other mining operations.
We need to electrify out cars more and make transport more efficient, reducing time at traffic lights using smarter technologies.
Create more environment jobs worldwide
Build more solar power stations worldwide
Create more fish farms worldwide
Reduce micro plastics in the food chain and in the environment…
Work out accurate sustainable population levels.
Creating more efficient heating and cooling systems

There are heaps of other things to need to do.

Well, hop to it then. Actions speak louder than words.

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Date: 2/11/2018 20:05:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1297886
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Tau.Neutrino said:


Things we should be doing.

There are heaps of other things to need to do.

I figured out a few years ago that all of the above, all of the things that we should be doing, can be described in three words:

Quality of Life

Not just for humans, but for all living things. Now for details:

> Teaching emotional intelligence to everyone
Not for psychopaths, please not for psychopaths.

> Stopping bully behavior across all of society around the world.
Improving quality of life will do that.

> Reduce world population
Yep

> Planting more trees
Doesn’t go far enough. For sustainability, remember the carbon cycle, the amount of carbon in the biosphere has to increase or all those new trees will die. That means either burning fossil fuels or banning wooden furniture.

> Bring industrial waste to close to zero as possible
Yes

> Planting more ocean plants
Don’t need planting, just add more fertiliser to the oceans. Oh wait, perhaps that isn’t such a good idea. Also remember the carbon cycle.

> Making companies more aware and responsible for the environment
Not just companies. Starving people don’t give a damn about the environment, so fix starvation.

> Reduce creek, river and seawater pollution
Again, fix starvation and it will happen.

> Cleaning up plastics in the environment. Reduce micro plastics in the food chain and in the environment.
Plastics are more harmless than rocks. But you need to recycle the carbon back to the biosphere.

> Breeding more fish. Create more fish farms worldwide
Fish is a gourmet product. There are arguments for and against more fish breeding, what do you feed them?

> Accepting that humanity has an effect on the environment. Accepting that humanity is reducing other lifeforms and contributing to their extinction. We need to stop species becoming extinct.
Well duh. But complete elimination of extinction is excessive because plant breeders are busily creating new species.

> We need to reduce our energy consumption by using smarter energy saving techniques. Building houses to a better energy saving standard. Building smaller homes
Certainly, but there is the assumption there that people are not rorting the system by using more electricity than they need. The problem is not whether the homes are energy saving so much as whether the people living within them are energy saving.

> Taxing larger homes.
No.

> Taxing larger cars and domestic vehicles
Already doing that – fuel tax.

> Building smaller cars
Yes.

> Bring manufacturing energy levels down
Yes

> Focusing on more efficient engines and technologies for transport
Yes

> Reducing domestic waste towards zero
Yes. Domestic waste has skyrocketed in the past 20 years.

> Recycling 100 percent waste
Um. Totally agree with more recycling. Even better is 100% reuse and no recycling. A ban on non-rechargeable batteries would be a start.

> Reducing emissions and pollution in the atmosphere
Yes.

> Eliminating nonrenewables as much as possible
Let’s split products into temporary and permanent categories. Buildings come under the category of “permanent” so ideally should be 100% made from non-renewables.

> Stop coal mining
No

> Reduce other mining operations.
Yes. Mostly, what about batteries for cars, solar panels, for example.

> We need to electrify our cars more and make transport more efficient, reducing time at traffic lights using smarter technologies.
Yes.

> Create more environment jobs worldwide
No, absolutely not.

> Build more solar power stations worldwide
Yes.

> Work out accurate sustainable population levels.
Correlate population levels with quality of life. Higher quality of life implies smaller sustainable population.

> Creating more efficient heating and cooling systems
Yes. But more importantly, stop people from using heating and cooling systems completely. It can be done.

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Date: 2/11/2018 21:04:46
From: transition
ID: 1297929
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Cymek said:


transition said:

voluntary extinction, neutrino, how do you feel about that.

you’re intelligent, and conscious, and a bit of a smith virus given your propensity for loose use of the inclusive we, you also secretly enjoy being a member of the dominant species.

your answer to the dominance is a bigger conscience. The possibility of a territorial conscience, multiplied, doesn’t occur to you.

Nothing wrong with being a member of the dominant species, gives us intelligence to ponder things, make discoveries, build things and so on unfortunately gives us the ability to wreck things and generally be disagreeable and horrible. The problem I suppose is dominance = destruction, and we may not be able to overcome what is hard wired into our brains

there just seems a terrible lot of humans, and to what end I ask.

it’s not like they’re a small tribe on the african savanna threatened with extinction, though multiply enthusiastically as if

more often isn’t better, and why the special exception for humans I don’t understand.

I was thinking neutrino is the perfect person to head a voluntary extinction movement, a model, a role model.

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Date: 2/11/2018 21:14:03
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1297933
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

transition said:


Cymek said:

transition said:

voluntary extinction, neutrino, how do you feel about that.

you’re intelligent, and conscious, and a bit of a smith virus given your propensity for loose use of the inclusive we, you also secretly enjoy being a member of the dominant species.

your answer to the dominance is a bigger conscience. The possibility of a territorial conscience, multiplied, doesn’t occur to you.

Nothing wrong with being a member of the dominant species, gives us intelligence to ponder things, make discoveries, build things and so on unfortunately gives us the ability to wreck things and generally be disagreeable and horrible. The problem I suppose is dominance = destruction, and we may not be able to overcome what is hard wired into our brains

there just seems a terrible lot of humans, and to what end I ask.

it’s not like they’re a small tribe on the african savanna threatened with extinction, though multiply enthusiastically as if

more often isn’t better, and why the special exception for humans I don’t understand.

I was thinking neutrino is the perfect person to head a voluntary extinction movement, a model, a role model.

Why not yourself, you first made the suggestion. You roll with it.

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Date: 2/11/2018 21:17:24
From: transition
ID: 1297935
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Tau.Neutrino said:


transition said:

Cymek said:

Nothing wrong with being a member of the dominant species, gives us intelligence to ponder things, make discoveries, build things and so on unfortunately gives us the ability to wreck things and generally be disagreeable and horrible. The problem I suppose is dominance = destruction, and we may not be able to overcome what is hard wired into our brains

there just seems a terrible lot of humans, and to what end I ask.

it’s not like they’re a small tribe on the african savanna threatened with extinction, though multiply enthusiastically as if

more often isn’t better, and why the special exception for humans I don’t understand.

I was thinking neutrino is the perfect person to head a voluntary extinction movement, a model, a role model.

Why not yourself, you first made the suggestion. You roll with it.

all you have to do is not breed

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Date: 2/11/2018 21:59:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1297949
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

transition said:


Cymek said:

transition said:

voluntary extinction, neutrino, how do you feel about that.

you’re intelligent, and conscious, and a bit of a smith virus given your propensity for loose use of the inclusive we, you also secretly enjoy being a member of the dominant species.

your answer to the dominance is a bigger conscience. The possibility of a territorial conscience, multiplied, doesn’t occur to you.

Nothing wrong with being a member of the dominant species, gives us intelligence to ponder things, make discoveries, build things and so on unfortunately gives us the ability to wreck things and generally be disagreeable and horrible. The problem I suppose is dominance = destruction, and we may not be able to overcome what is hard wired into our brains

there just seems a terrible lot of humans, and to what end I ask.

it’s not like they’re a small tribe on the african savanna threatened with extinction, though multiply enthusiastically as if

more often isn’t better, and why the special exception for humans I don’t understand.

I was thinking neutrino is the perfect person to head a voluntary extinction movement, a model, a role model.

Seems a little extreme.

Why not a policy of reducing the growth rate, followed by a period of slow decline, until we get down to a sustainable population?

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Date: 2/11/2018 22:03:39
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1297950
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

Cymek said:

Nothing wrong with being a member of the dominant species, gives us intelligence to ponder things, make discoveries, build things and so on unfortunately gives us the ability to wreck things and generally be disagreeable and horrible. The problem I suppose is dominance = destruction, and we may not be able to overcome what is hard wired into our brains

there just seems a terrible lot of humans, and to what end I ask.

it’s not like they’re a small tribe on the african savanna threatened with extinction, though multiply enthusiastically as if

more often isn’t better, and why the special exception for humans I don’t understand.

I was thinking neutrino is the perfect person to head a voluntary extinction movement, a model, a role model.

Seems a little extreme.

Why not a policy of reducing the growth rate, followed by a period of slow decline, until we get down to a sustainable population?

The population will likely grow for at least another 80 years, then take another 80 years before you get a reduction. A lot of things are going to happen between times.

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Date: 2/11/2018 22:37:57
From: transition
ID: 1297953
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

Cymek said:

Nothing wrong with being a member of the dominant species, gives us intelligence to ponder things, make discoveries, build things and so on unfortunately gives us the ability to wreck things and generally be disagreeable and horrible. The problem I suppose is dominance = destruction, and we may not be able to overcome what is hard wired into our brains

there just seems a terrible lot of humans, and to what end I ask.

it’s not like they’re a small tribe on the african savanna threatened with extinction, though multiply enthusiastically as if

more often isn’t better, and why the special exception for humans I don’t understand.

I was thinking neutrino is the perfect person to head a voluntary extinction movement, a model, a role model.

Seems a little extreme.

Why not a policy of reducing the growth rate, followed by a period of slow decline, until we get down to a sustainable population?

i’m not to be taken overly literally.

I guess that sustainable population really means dominance over all life on earth.

the way you come across you probably idealize that as an accident, nicely nestled in your we.

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Date: 2/11/2018 22:56:15
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1297956
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

there just seems a terrible lot of humans, and to what end I ask.

it’s not like they’re a small tribe on the african savanna threatened with extinction, though multiply enthusiastically as if

more often isn’t better, and why the special exception for humans I don’t understand.

I was thinking neutrino is the perfect person to head a voluntary extinction movement, a model, a role model.

Seems a little extreme.

Why not a policy of reducing the growth rate, followed by a period of slow decline, until we get down to a sustainable population?


transition said:

i’m not to be taken overly literally.

OK

transition said:

I guess that sustainable population really means dominance over all life on earth.

I guess that you are looking for something to object to, so you just made that up.

In fact the words “sustainable population” might have a pretty wide set of interpretations, but none of them are anywhere near the one you have chosen.

transition said:

the way you come across you probably idealize that as an accident, nicely nestled in your we.

And the way that comes across is as a baseless insult, nicely nestled in your I (or possibly your eye).

There is nothing wrong with using the word “we” when talking about humans in general.

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Date: 2/11/2018 23:21:14
From: transition
ID: 1297957
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

OK

transition said:

I guess that sustainable population really means dominance over all life on earth.

I guess that you are looking for something to object to, so you just made that up.

In fact the words “sustainable population” might have a pretty wide set of interpretations, but none of them are anywhere near the one you have chosen.

transition said:

the way you come across you probably idealize that as an accident, nicely nestled in your we.

And the way that comes across is as a baseless insult, nicely nestled in your I (or possibly your eye).

There is nothing wrong with using the word “we” when talking about humans in general.

yes generalizing is a wonderful thing, you seem to enjoy it. I do too, though i’m possibly less inclined to assert that human-centric business, as if representing my species.

let’s start with whether the scale of human populations dominating the world (now and into the future) are important, in any way, to civilization. Call it displacing nature, like the good works of your shared we thing, imagined or real.

i’m fairly sure sustainable population will be a population level that asserts the human species dominance over the entire planet.

you might prefer it be a secret. An unsaid.

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Date: 3/11/2018 06:44:50
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1297999
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

There’s no difference between “sustainability” and “perpetual motion”.

Not only are both prohibited by the laws of physics, neither should be considered a goal in itself.

In place of the fictitious “sustainability”, we need to aim for “minimal impact” at “maximum efficiency”.

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Date: 3/11/2018 08:05:20
From: roughbarked
ID: 1298014
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

mollwollfumble said:


There’s no difference between “sustainability” and “perpetual motion”.

Not only are both prohibited by the laws of physics, neither should be considered a goal in itself.

In place of the fictitious “sustainability”, we need to aim for “minimal impact” at “maximum efficiency”.

Maximum efficiency has got us to where we are. Reason being we never considered minimal impact.
Growth is unsustainable. Therefore there is no such thing as sustainable growth.

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Date: 3/11/2018 09:32:58
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1298042
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

mollwollfumble said:


There’s no difference between “sustainability” and “perpetual motion”.

Not only are both prohibited by the laws of physics, neither should be considered a goal in itself.

In place of the fictitious “sustainability”, we need to aim for “minimal impact” at “maximum efficiency”.

Sigh, that’s just a cop out used by people who, for whatever reason, don’t want to worry about sustainability.

Of course nothing is sustainable for ever, everyone knows that, but the word “sustainability” doesn’t imply sustainable for ever, it just means sustainable for substantially longer than processes that have very low sustainability.

Just read “minimal impact” when you see “sustainable” if you like, but spare us the lecture on basic physics.

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Date: 3/11/2018 09:35:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1298043
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

I guess that you are looking for something to object to, so you just made that up.

In fact the words “sustainable population” might have a pretty wide set of interpretations, but none of them are anywhere near the one you have chosen.

transition said:

the way you come across you probably idealize that as an accident, nicely nestled in your we.

And the way that comes across is as a baseless insult, nicely nestled in your I (or possibly your eye).

There is nothing wrong with using the word “we” when talking about humans in general.

yes generalizing is a wonderful thing, you seem to enjoy it. I do too, though i’m possibly less inclined to assert that human-centric business, as if representing my species.

let’s start with whether the scale of human populations dominating the world (now and into the future) are important, in any way, to civilization. Call it displacing nature, like the good works of your shared we thing, imagined or real.

i’m fairly sure sustainable population will be a population level that asserts the human species dominance over the entire planet.

you might prefer it be a secret. An unsaid.

Sorry, but that just comes across as arrogant crap. I can’t be bothered discussing further.

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Date: 3/11/2018 09:42:27
From: transition
ID: 1298045
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

mollwollfumble said:


There’s no difference between “sustainability” and “perpetual motion”.

Not only are both prohibited by the laws of physics, neither should be considered a goal in itself.

In place of the fictitious “sustainability”, we need to aim for “minimal impact” at “maximum efficiency”.

dunno about the global group equilibrium, homeostasis on that scale, inevitably driven by competition between groups(states for example), those dynamics settling on what is sustainable.

people use the term sustainable, frankly is looks not much better than a respectable way of stroking the big fella in public, intellectual equivalent.

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Date: 3/11/2018 10:02:01
From: transition
ID: 1298055
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

And the way that comes across is as a baseless insult, nicely nestled in your I (or possibly your eye).

There is nothing wrong with using the word “we” when talking about humans in general.

yes generalizing is a wonderful thing, you seem to enjoy it. I do too, though i’m possibly less inclined to assert that human-centric business, as if representing my species.

let’s start with whether the scale of human populations dominating the world (now and into the future) are important, in any way, to civilization. Call it displacing nature, like the good works of your shared we thing, imagined or real.

i’m fairly sure sustainable population will be a population level that asserts the human species dominance over the entire planet.

you might prefer it be a secret. An unsaid.

Sorry, but that just comes across as arrogant crap. I can’t be bothered discussing further.

it is I guess arrogant crap viewed from the super democracy of a delusional we pretending to modesty.

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Date: 3/11/2018 10:30:21
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1298069
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

transition said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

yes generalizing is a wonderful thing, you seem to enjoy it. I do too, though i’m possibly less inclined to assert that human-centric business, as if representing my species.

let’s start with whether the scale of human populations dominating the world (now and into the future) are important, in any way, to civilization. Call it displacing nature, like the good works of your shared we thing, imagined or real.

i’m fairly sure sustainable population will be a population level that asserts the human species dominance over the entire planet.

you might prefer it be a secret. An unsaid.

Sorry, but that just comes across as arrogant crap. I can’t be bothered discussing further.

it is I guess arrogant crap viewed from the super democracy of a delusional we pretending to modesty.

How’s your back?

Have you tried Feldenkrais? I find it helpful.

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Date: 3/11/2018 10:34:10
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1298071
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

>i’m fairly sure sustainable population will be a population level that asserts the human species dominance over the entire planet.

It’s more likely to assert human dominance over the human species, at least in terms of numbers. Getting it under control.

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Date: 3/11/2018 10:48:12
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1298077
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Basically our current paradigm is predicated on growth which looks good on the books but it is unsustainable.
We in the western world are living in a golden age, a sunlit upland of prosperity.
The paradigm has worked wonderfully well for us, we are very fortunate.

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Date: 3/11/2018 11:27:55
From: transition
ID: 1298098
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

The Rev Dodgson said:


transition said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Sorry, but that just comes across as arrogant crap. I can’t be bothered discussing further.

it is I guess arrogant crap viewed from the super democracy of a delusional we pretending to modesty.

How’s your back?

Have you tried Feldenkrais? I find it helpful.

out there kickin’ arse with the whipper, not too bad really.

don’t mind me revving the engagement up a little, tell me your heart rate didn’t increase some, feeding that planet-size brain of yours.

:-)

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Date: 3/11/2018 17:09:03
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1298298
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Peak Warming Man said:


Basically our current paradigm is predicated on growth which looks good on the books but it is unsustainable.
We in the western world are living in a golden age, a sunlit upland of prosperity.
The paradigm has worked wonderfully well for us, we are very fortunate.

Well put.

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Date: 3/11/2018 17:13:14
From: dv
ID: 1298302
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

One of the main things we need to do is adopt an evidence-based approach to politics and economics. A lot of the other problems stem from the prevalence of ideological approaches.

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Date: 3/11/2018 17:18:46
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1298308
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

PermeateFree said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Basically our current paradigm is predicated on growth which looks good on the books but it is unsustainable.
We in the western world are living in a golden age, a sunlit upland of prosperity.
The paradigm has worked wonderfully well for us, we are very fortunate.

Well put.

So you think we’re already living in the best of all possible worlds? TIC.

No. But not far off.

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Date: 3/11/2018 17:36:10
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1298311
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

dv said:


One of the main things we need to do is adopt an evidence-based approach to politics and economics. A lot of the other problems stem from the prevalence of ideological approaches.

Poiky will be along shortly…

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Date: 3/11/2018 18:03:23
From: buffy
ID: 1298315
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Witty Rejoinder said:


dv said:

One of the main things we need to do is adopt an evidence-based approach to politics and economics. A lot of the other problems stem from the prevalence of ideological approaches.

Poiky will be along shortly…

To tell you about how good a meta analysis can be…

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Date: 3/11/2018 18:09:14
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1298325
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

mollwollfumble said:


PermeateFree said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Basically our current paradigm is predicated on growth which looks good on the books but it is unsustainable.
We in the western world are living in a golden age, a sunlit upland of prosperity.
The paradigm has worked wonderfully well for us, we are very fortunate.

Well put.

So you think we’re already living in the best of all possible worlds? TIC.

No. But not far off.

Just a realistic world.

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Date: 3/11/2018 18:10:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1298326
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

dv said:


One of the main things we need to do is adopt an evidence-based approach to politics and economics. A lot of the other problems stem from the prevalence of ideological approaches.

‘greed.

In particular TIAPTDS* need to un-hide costs wherever possible, since it is in the interests of politicians to hide costs whenever possible.

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Date: 3/11/2018 18:18:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1298329
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

PermeateFree said:


Peak Warming Man said:

Basically our current paradigm is predicated on growth which looks good on the books but it is unsustainable.
We in the western world are living in a golden age, a sunlit upland of prosperity.
The paradigm has worked wonderfully well for us, we are very fortunate.

Well put.

No arguments here.

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Date: 3/11/2018 21:09:13
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1298438
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Living in the same building that we work in.

To minimise traffic congestion and fuel use.

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Date: 3/11/2018 22:03:16
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1298441
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

mollwollfumble said:


Living in the same building that we work in.

To minimise traffic congestion and fuel use.

The we that is me does that.

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Date: 3/11/2018 22:14:28
From: sibeen
ID: 1298443
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

The Rev Dodgson said:


mollwollfumble said:

Living in the same building that we work in.

To minimise traffic congestion and fuel use.

The we that is me does that.

+1

Except when clients want to meet. We both hate that.

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Date: 3/11/2018 23:10:26
From: transition
ID: 1298449
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

>Living in the same building that we work in.

like working from home..

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Date: 4/11/2018 01:14:23
From: transition
ID: 1298483
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

dv said:


One of the main things we need to do is adopt an evidence-based approach to politics and economics. A lot of the other problems stem from the prevalence of ideological approaches.

what have you got in mind, some centralized and/or singular way that converges the we, taming the animal spirits.

you could assume that a lot of politics, and economics is evidence-based already, that Australia (for example) hasn’t descended into complete chaos, or become a totalitarian state (to parry against, or attempted remedy) might indicate convincingly something of process, policy and decisions etc are evidence-based, and working well, dare I say it.

ideology is inevitable, as sure as you wipe your arse after you take a dump, then look for and hurriedly press that button on the cistern to flush it away. Quite possibly more fertile than any thought, but you know it’s smelly. Universally reassuring, if the button works, and the flush takes it away quickly. The shared hope is that it does, and ought.

you know the terror if it doesn’t work reliably, ideology I mean.

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Date: 4/11/2018 04:08:12
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1298485
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

Ban toilet paper

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Date: 4/11/2018 07:53:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 1298488
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

mollwollfumble said:


Ban toilet paper

fit bidets rather thanthe old crapper?

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Date: 4/11/2018 07:57:28
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1298489
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

transition said:


dv said:

One of the main things we need to do is adopt an evidence-based approach to politics and economics. A lot of the other problems stem from the prevalence of ideological approaches.

what have you got in mind, some centralized and/or singular way that converges the we, taming the animal spirits.

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I’d interpret what he said as pretty well the opposite of your interpretation.

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Date: 4/11/2018 19:08:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1298861
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

I should add a big post here about all the other things we should be doing.

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Date: 4/11/2018 19:18:17
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1298871
Subject: re: Things we should be doing

mollwollfumble said:


I should add a big post here about all the other things we should be doing.

Yes.

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