Should Australia have an Academy of English and English Grammar?

Fuck no.

ROFL

Note that the level of journalism and reporting is falling.

sibeen said:

ROFL

You saw it too, did you?

Also plagiarism is becoming rife

And spelling and proofing reading skills are dropping.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Should Australia have an Academy of English and English Grammar?

It has the ABC’s SCOSE.

Why not an Academy for English ?

It would be mostly for legal writers, public servants, journalists, reporters and writers of all persuasions.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Should Australia have an Academy of English and English Grammar?

Yes.

When I lived in Bristol (it’s in England), there was a book called Krek Waiters Speak Bristle.

So we should also have a book called Krek Waiters Speak Strine.

That could be the academy’s first publication.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Why not an Academy for English ?

It would be mostly for legal writers, public servants, journalists, reporters and writers of all persuasions.

Proof readers editors and sub editors.

Printers and so on

Woodie said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Should Australia have an Academy of English and English Grammar?

It has the ABC’s SCOSE.

Select College of Strine English?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Also plagiarism is becoming rife

Just saying shit doesn’t make it true.

sibeen said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Also plagiarism is becoming rife

Just saying shit doesn’t make it true.

Who’d you steal that one from?

The Rev Dodgson said:

sibeen said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Also plagiarism is becoming rife

Just saying shit doesn’t make it true.

Who’d you steal that one from?

Now, now, I first ran it through Turnitin to make sure I was original.

The ‘rules’ of grammar are made up, so why bother following them?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-29/why-your-wrong-to-care-about-grammar/8561860

If rules of grammar are made up and there is no official national language then a Academy of English could help define proper rules of English and grammar to become law, and not something taken for granted.

This would be based on the Australian Style manual

Oh jeeze

AwesomeO said:

Oh jeeze

little boxes.

AwesomeO said:

Oh jeeze

You cannot see standards falling across the media ?

AwesomeO said:

Oh jeeze

I’m not sure it should be spelt that way.

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

Oh jeeze

I’m not sure it should be spelt that way.

or is it spelled???

Tau.Neutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

Oh jeeze

You cannot see standards falling across the media ?

It was a response to a mental bet I had with myself…the first appearance of the official language that seems to be a burr on your behind.

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

Oh jeeze

I’m not sure it should be spelt that way.

or is it spelled???

Spelt is a grain.

JudgeMental said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

Oh jeeze

I’m not sure it should be spelt that way.

or is it spelled???

Well spelled is something kii does to people and spelt is a type of wheat.

AwesomeO said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

Oh jeeze

You cannot see standards falling across the media ?

It was a response to a mental bet I had with myself…the first appearance of the official language that seems to be a burr on your behind.

He’s is being a bit pestiferous.

Peak Warming Man said:

AwesomeO said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

You cannot see standards falling across the media ?

It was a response to a mental bet I had with myself…the first appearance of the official language that seems to be a burr on your behind.

He’s is being a bit pestiferous.

Did you actually use that the other day or is this its first outing?

Peak Warming Man said:

AwesomeO said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

You cannot see standards falling across the media ?

It was a response to a mental bet I had with myself…the first appearance of the official language that seems to be a burr on your behind.

He’s is being a bit pestiferous.

i blame the drugs.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

AwesomeO said:

It was a response to a mental bet I had with myself…the first appearance of the official language that seems to be a burr on your behind.

He’s is being a bit pestiferous.

Did you actually use that the other day or is this its first outing?

No I did use it, I surreptitiously slipped it into a quoted post, the blood shot eagle eye of Bubblecar spotted it though.

>If rules of grammar are made up and there is no official national language then a Academy of English could help define proper rules of English and grammar to become law, and not something taken for granted.

you secretly want neutrino to become the national language, so everyone’s speaking and thinking in neutrinoese.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Should Australia have an Academy of English and English Grammar?

Spell-checkers on Android are still ratshit.
At least they’ve improved on Windows.

English spelling and grammar are observational sciences, just like the more mainstream sciences.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Note that the level of journalism and reporting is falling.

Was it ever any good? I know someone who used to be a reporter some 30 years ago. His English spelling, grammar and punctuation are worse than mine. Particularly punctuation.

Has anyone other than me noticed a rapidly widening gap between English as written in fiction books and English as spoken. Authors write books using an English that looks antique, even young authors.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Should Australia have an Academy of English and English Grammar?

Spell-checkers on Android are still ratshit.
At least they’ve improved on Windows.

English spelling and grammar are observational sciences, just like the more mainstream sciences.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Note that the level of journalism and reporting is falling.

Was it ever any good? I know someone who used to be a reporter some 30 years ago. His English spelling, grammar and punctuation are worse than mine. Particularly punctuation.

Has anyone other than me noticed a rapidly widening gap between English as written in fiction books and English as spoken. Authors write books using an English that looks antique, even young authors.

reporter aren’t journalists though. i have known really good journos in my times working for newspapers.

A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter “c” would be dropped to be replased either by “k” or “s,” and likewise “x” would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which “c” would be retained would be the “ch” formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform “w” spelling, so that “which” and “one” would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish “y” replasing it with “i” and Iear 4 might fiks the “g/j” anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez “c,” “y” and “x”—bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez—tu riplais “ch,” “sh,” and “th” rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

I wonder, I does, often, of where novel word formulations exist before expressed. Do all possible useful word formulations exist somewhere, is it a somewhere, or something more ethereal maybe, a possibility space perhaps.

these grunts strung together, well they’re grunts if spoken, nuanced grunts there seems some convergent forces regard, of what they ought mean, and how they ought sound. And how they look written, and strung together too.

what would humpty dumpty think, of meaning what you mean, nothing more or less.

transition said:

you secretly want neutrino to become the national language, so everyone’s speaking and thinking in neutrinoese.

He may be nuts but he has a better command of the English language than you.

transition said:

I wonder, I does, often, of where novel word formulations exist before expressed. Do all possible useful word formulations exist somewhere, is it a somewhere, or something more ethereal maybe, a possibility space perhaps.

these grunts strung together, well they’re grunts if spoken, nuanced grunts there seems some convergent forces regard, of what they ought mean, and how they ought sound. And how they look written, and strung together too.

what would humpty dumpty think, of meaning what you mean, nothing more or less.

You’re thinking Jabberwocky, then, a space where all the words make sense even before they exist. Where the meaning of a syllable combination comes from its sound. Such as bling.

For me, novel word formulations come about by either combining existing words
such as life + spring gives lifespring.

Or by applying rules of grammar to existing words
such as taco gives tacoing.

As for spelling, I find it interesting how sound becomes spelling. In the Simpsons we heard the word “Cromulent”. Just from the context of that one sound, a definition that everyone agrees with on made it into the dictionary, which is really quite amazing in itself. But, and here’s the interesting bit, the spelling first appeared almost equally often as both “Cromulent” and “Cromulant”, until general consensus slowly forced the spelling “Cromulant” into extinction.

mollwollfumble said:

As for spelling, I find it interesting how sound becomes spelling. In the Simpsons we heard the word “Cromulent”. Just from the context of that one sound, a definition that everyone agrees with on made it into the dictionary, which is really quite amazing in itself. But, and here’s the interesting bit, the spelling first appeared almost equally often as both “Cromulent” and “Cromulant”, until general consensus slowly forced the spelling “Cromulant” into extinction.

Cromulent a dictionary word? Huh

Cromulent
Adjective (humorous)
Acceptable or adequate

((Not quite as humorous as 5 minutes ago))

Witty Rejoinder said:

transition said:

you secretly want neutrino to become the national language, so everyone’s speaking and thinking in neutrinoese.

He may be nuts but he has a better command of the English language than you.

duck my sick

Ian said:

mollwollfumble said:

As for spelling, I find it interesting how sound becomes spelling. In the Simpsons we heard the word “Cromulent”. Just from the context of that one sound, a definition that everyone agrees with on made it into the dictionary, which is really quite amazing in itself. But, and here’s the interesting bit, the spelling first appeared almost equally often as both “Cromulent” and “Cromulant”, until general consensus slowly forced the spelling “Cromulant” into extinction.

Cromulent a dictionary word? Huh

Cromulent
Adjective (humorous)
Acceptable or adequate

((Not quite as humorous as 5 minutes ago))

But your reaction is.

I’m tempted to test transition’s hypothesis that there’s a pool of understandable pre-words out there by making up nonexistent words, asking what they mean, and looking for correlations.

>I’m tempted to test transition’s hypothesis that there’s a pool of understandable pre-words out there by making up nonexistent words, asking what they mean, and looking for correlations.

certainly a long history of grunts, going way back to our ancestors that weren’t human, and grunts do as they do, always did, they point, and the receiver starts with at something, it’s ready that way.

transition said:

>I’m tempted to test transition’s hypothesis that there’s a pool of understandable pre-words out there by making up nonexistent words, asking what they mean, and looking for correlations.

certainly a long history of grunts, going way back to our ancestors that weren’t human, and grunts do as they do, always did, they point, and the receiver starts with at something, it’s ready that way.

Yes. That certainly applies to gorillas.