Anyne still undecided?

roughbarked said:

Anyne still undecided?

Opt out of what?

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Anyne still undecided?

Opt out of what?

MyHealth.

roughbarked said:

Anyne still undecided?

Yes. As much as I don’t trust the government to run a secure system (or restrict access to only organisations that need it), having everything in one place makes a lot more sense than faxing paper records around, especially in an emergency.

cb88 said:

roughbarked said:

Anyne still undecided?

Yes. As much as I don’t trust the government to run a secure system (or restrict access to only organisations that need it), having everything in one place makes a lot more sense than faxing paper records around, especially in an emergency.

In an emergency, e.g. car crash, heart attack etc. you’re treated for whatevs going to kill you first, then, after stable they worry about the other issues you have.

IMO the health record will be more useful post acute care – i.e. for chronic care.

cb88 said:

roughbarked said:

Anyne still undecided?

Yes. As much as I don’t trust the government to run a secure system (or restrict access to only organisations that need it), having everything in one place makes a lot more sense than faxing paper records around, especially in an emergency.

Yes it would be good for all as long as we were assured of its security.

poikilotherm said:

cb88 said:

roughbarked said:

Anyne still undecided?

Yes. As much as I don’t trust the government to run a secure system (or restrict access to only organisations that need it), having everything in one place makes a lot more sense than faxing paper records around, especially in an emergency.

In an emergency, e.g. car crash, heart attack etc. you’re treated for whatevs going to kill you first, then, after stable they worry about the other issues you have.

IMO the health record will be more useful post acute care – i.e. for chronic care.

Yes. If you are a chronic case, you do need each practitioner to know the score.

cb88 said:

roughbarked said:

Anyne still undecided?

Yes. As much as I don’t trust the government to run a secure system (or restrict access to only organisations that need it), having everything in one place makes a lot more sense than faxing paper records around, especially in an emergency.

re security – MyGov is yet to be hacked.

poikilotherm said:

cb88 said:

roughbarked said:

Anyne still undecided?

Yes. As much as I don’t trust the government to run a secure system (or restrict access to only organisations that need it), having everything in one place makes a lot more sense than faxing paper records around, especially in an emergency.

re security – MyGov is yet to be hacked.

Hacking is another thing. At the moment My Health isn’t tight enough.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

Anyne still undecided?

Opt out of what?

MyHealth.

Oh. I want to be on it. I don’t have a GP, just go to whoever happens to be nearest that day. It’d be so nice to have a central register.

I hope they cut out the security bullshit, all security does is lock out the people who have legitimate access. But they won’t, sigh. MyGov has already locked out both Mrs m and Missy, making it impossible for them to fill out their tax forms. Missy has even been forced to go back to snail mail to do her tax this year.

poikilotherm said:

In an emergency, e.g. car crash, heart attack etc. you’re treated for whatevs going to kill you first, then, after stable they worry about the other issues you have.

IMO the health record will be more useful post acute care – i.e. for chronic care.

Ah, fair enough.

poikilotherm said:

re security – MyGov is yet to be hacked.

Keeping the central system secure isn’t my biggest concern – that’s a tractable problem. It’s all the other computers that have access. Can one compromised computer at a GP pull everyone’s records? I’d like to think it has rate limits and anomaly detection and so on.

mollwollfumble said:

I hope they cut out the security bullshit, all security does is lock out the people who have legitimate access. But they won’t, sigh. MyGov has already locked out both Mrs m and Missy, making it impossible for them to fill out their tax forms. Missy has even been forced to go back to snail mail to do her tax this year.

How does your ideal online authentication system work?

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Opt out of what?

MyHealth.

Oh. I want to be on it. I don’t have a GP, just go to whoever happens to be nearest that day. It’d be so nice to have a central register.

I hope they cut out the security bullshit, all security does is lock out the people who have legitimate access. But they won’t, sigh. MyGov has already locked out both Mrs m and Missy, making it impossible for them to fill out their tax forms. Missy has even been forced to go back to snail mail to do her tax this year.

I don’t know what people are doing wrong with MyGov. But many report bad experiences.

I reckon it works brilliantly. I did my tax in less than 15 minutes, including log in, one field incorrectly filled (by me) that needed correction, and logging out again. And they had my tax assessment back to me in a week or so.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Opt out of what?

MyHealth.

Oh. I want to be on it. I don’t have a GP, just go to whoever happens to be nearest that day. It’d be so nice to have a central register.

I hope they cut out the security bullshit, all security does is lock out the people who have legitimate access. But they won’t, sigh. MyGov has already locked out both Mrs m and Missy, making it impossible for them to fill out their tax forms. Missy has even been forced to go back to snail mail to do her tax this year.

By locked out.. How?

Michael V said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

MyHealth.

Oh. I want to be on it. I don’t have a GP, just go to whoever happens to be nearest that day. It’d be so nice to have a central register.

I hope they cut out the security bullshit, all security does is lock out the people who have legitimate access. But they won’t, sigh. MyGov has already locked out both Mrs m and Missy, making it impossible for them to fill out their tax forms. Missy has even been forced to go back to snail mail to do her tax this year.

I don’t know what people are doing wrong with MyGov. But many report bad experiences.

I reckon it works brilliantly. I did my tax in less than 15 minutes, including log in, one field incorrectly filled (by me) that needed correction, and logging out again. And they had my tax assessment back to me in a week or so.

Yes it does work brilliantly.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

MyHealth.

Oh. I want to be on it. I don’t have a GP, just go to whoever happens to be nearest that day. It’d be so nice to have a central register.

I hope they cut out the security bullshit, all security does is lock out the people who have legitimate access. But they won’t, sigh. MyGov has already locked out both Mrs m and Missy, making it impossible for them to fill out their tax forms. Missy has even been forced to go back to snail mail to do her tax this year.

By locked out.. How?

Huh? Mobile phone problems of course. The security by default was linked into their mobile phones. Now Missy has two MyGov accounts and is locked out of both of them. Any problem with MyGov and the only way out is to create a new MyGov account. She has no idea why she is locked out of the second one, probably because she never received the correct password.

In short. All security is a bloody pain. Even my car alarm.

I have visions of a person lying on the emergency room operating table reciting from memory a 17 digit MyHealth password to the surgeon before they lose consciousness.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Oh. I want to be on it. I don’t have a GP, just go to whoever happens to be nearest that day. It’d be so nice to have a central register.

I hope they cut out the security bullshit, all security does is lock out the people who have legitimate access. But they won’t, sigh. MyGov has already locked out both Mrs m and Missy, making it impossible for them to fill out their tax forms. Missy has even been forced to go back to snail mail to do her tax this year.

By locked out.. How?

Huh? Mobile phone problems of course. The security by default was linked into their mobile phones. Now Missy has two MyGov accounts and is locked out of both of them. Any problem with MyGov and the only way out is to create a new MyGov account. She has no idea why she is locked out of the second one, probably because she never received the correct password.

In short. All security is a bloody pain. Even my car alarm.

I have visions of a person lying on the emergency room operating table reciting from memory a 17 digit MyHealth password to the surgeon before they lose consciousness.

I deliberately didn’t link security to my mobile phone. I don’t link anything to my mobile. It’s a phone. Only. Perhaps there is a lesson to be learnt somewhere there. (Apart from me being akin to a modern Luddite.)

cb88 said:

Keeping the central system secure isn’t my biggest concern – that’s a tractable problem. It’s all the other computers that have access. Can one compromised computer at a GP pull everyone’s records? I’d like to think it has rate limits and anomaly detection and so on.

Mr Mutant works with blockchain. The Aust govt was offered blockchain technology for their “secure” systems, they declined 🙄

This typical of everything the government does. Could you tell us why you decided to opt out of the My Health Record system?
Please choose all that apply: I am concerned about others having access to my private health information I am concerned about the security of my health information stored online I have no reason or would like to state another reason

Well If I chose all that apply I would first of all negate my first two answers because though very relevant and important, they aren’t all of the reason and to go any further I’d have to make a lie of the first two choices.

The proper way to do this is build an escellent system. show us how well crafted it is and how our data is accessible only by those directly concerned with saving my/our life/lives and no other parties. Then and only then ask me if I want to join.

roughbarked said:

This typical of everything the government does. Could you tell us why you decided to opt out of the My Health Record system?
Please choose all that apply: I am concerned about others having access to my private health information I am concerned about the security of my health information stored online I have no reason or would like to state another reason

Well If I chose all that apply I would first of all negate my first two answers because though very relevant and important, they aren’t all of the reason and to go any further I’d have to make a lie of the first two choices.

The proper way to do this is build an escellent system. show us how well crafted it is and how our data is accessible only by those directly concerned with saving my/our life/lives and no other parties. Then and only then ask me if I want to join.

excellent.

I would have liked a letter explaining what happens if you opt in and what happens if you opt out.

Tau.Neutrino said:

I would have liked a letter explaining what happens if you opt in and what happens if you opt out.

You can always opt back in later.

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I would have liked a letter explaining what happens if you opt in and what happens if you opt out.

You can always opt back in later.

ok.

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

If people are forced to opt in, who do they go to to seek help?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

unless you opt out, you are forced to opt in.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

Mate put the bong down.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

Mate put the bong down.

For Tau: https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-11-14/my-health-record-opt-out-deadline-amendments-privacy-security/10481806

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

unless you opt out, you are forced to opt in.

until the 15th

but after the 15th of nov can any other government department or insurance agency or other 34d party force you to opt in ?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

Not until Beijing finally takes over from Canberra.

Tau.Neutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

unless you opt out, you are forced to opt in.

until the 15th

but after the 15th of nov can any other government department or insurance agency or other 34d party force you to opt in ?

If you don’t opt out, you are already force opted in.

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

Not until Beijing finally takes over from Canberra.

Which probably isn’t a fantasy.

roughbarked said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

Mate put the bong down.

For Tau: https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-11-14/my-health-record-opt-out-deadline-amendments-privacy-security/10481806

Thanks

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

Not until Beijing finally takes over from Canberra.

Which probably isn’t a fantasy.

Hard to imagine a government that’s more terrified of its own people.

captain_spalding said:

roughbarked said:

captain_spalding said:

Not until Beijing finally takes over from Canberra.

Which probably isn’t a fantasy.

Hard to imagine a government that’s more terrified of its own people.

I’m terrified of some politicians.

Peak Warming Man said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

Mate put the bong down.

Looks around.

Why isnt the webpage secure with a green lock? It has a yellow triangle saying parts of the webpage are un secure?

Tau.Neutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Can people by bullied or forced to opt in?

Mate put the bong down.

Looks around.

Why isnt the webpage secure with a green lock? It has a yellow triangle saying parts of the webpage are un secure?

It means something on the page was loaded without HTTPS. Nothing in the forum itself does that. It was most likely an image in a post that was embedded from somewhere else.

cb88 said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Mate put the bong down.

Looks around.

Why isnt the webpage secure with a green lock? It has a yellow triangle saying parts of the webpage are un secure?

It means something on the page was loaded without HTTPS. Nothing in the forum itself does that. It was most likely an image in a post that was embedded from somewhere else.

ok, thanks.

> Why isn’t the webpage secure with a green lock? It has a yellow triangle saying parts of the webpage are unsecure?

What makes you think that https is any more secure than http?

If I was a hacker, I’d be hacking https pages, not htttp pages. Being encrypted just means that someone has the key. Make a copy of the key and all the security is gone.

mollwollfumble said:

> Why isn’t the webpage secure with a green lock? It has a yellow triangle saying parts of the webpage are unsecure?

What makes you think that https is any more secure than http?

If I was a hacker, I’d be hacking https pages, not htttp pages. Being encrypted just means that someone has the key. Make a copy of the key and all the security is gone.

It was a joke attempt at being paranoid on the bong, which was bought about by feeling paranoid about being forced into opting in myhealth after the 15th by a 3rd party.

mollwollfumble said:

> Why isn’t the webpage secure with a green lock? It has a yellow triangle saying parts of the webpage are unsecure?

What makes you think that https is any more secure than http?

If I was a hacker, I’d be hacking https pages, not htttp pages. Being encrypted just means that someone has the key. Make a copy of the key and all the security is gone.

A guarantee that you’re communicating with someone holding the key is a much better than no guarantee at all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-14/my-health-record-opt-out-period-extended-as-website-hits-issues/10496032

cb88 said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Why isn’t the webpage secure with a green lock? It has a yellow triangle saying parts of the webpage are unsecure?

What makes you think that https is any more secure than http?

If I was a hacker, I’d be hacking https pages, not htttp pages. Being encrypted just means that someone has the key. Make a copy of the key and all the security is gone.

A guarantee that you’re communicating with someone holding the key is a much better than no guarantee at all.

I totally disagree.

If someone sends me plain text then I can look at it, remove the bloatware, fix the bugs and immediately detect any malware.

If someone sends me a long random string of encrypted digits then it could contain every sort of malware and there’s no way for me to check it and fix it.

Plain text is far safer.

mollwollfumble said:

cb88 said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Why isn’t the webpage secure with a green lock? It has a yellow triangle saying parts of the webpage are unsecure?

What makes you think that https is any more secure than http?

If I was a hacker, I’d be hacking https pages, not htttp pages. Being encrypted just means that someone has the key. Make a copy of the key and all the security is gone.

A guarantee that you’re communicating with someone holding the key is a much better than no guarantee at all.

I totally disagree.

If someone sends me plain text then I can look at it,

And so can everyone else.

poikilotherm said:

mollwollfumble said:

cb88 said:

A guarantee that you’re communicating with someone holding the key is a much better than no guarantee at all.

I totally disagree.

If someone sends me plain text then I can look at it,

And so can everyone else.

If making a copy of the key is so easy why are some in the government calling for police to have new powers over encryption to catch criminals and terrorists?

mollwollfumble said:

cb88 said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Why isn’t the webpage secure with a green lock? It has a yellow triangle saying parts of the webpage are unsecure?

What makes you think that https is any more secure than http?

If I was a hacker, I’d be hacking https pages, not htttp pages. Being encrypted just means that someone has the key. Make a copy of the key and all the security is gone.

A guarantee that you’re communicating with someone holding the key is a much better than no guarantee at all.

I totally disagree.

If someone sends me plain text then I can look at it, remove the bloatware, fix the bugs and immediately detect any malware.

If someone sends me a long random string of encrypted digits then it could contain every sort of malware and there’s no way for me to check it and fix it.

Plain text is far safer.

Are we still talking about HTTPS here? Your computer is able to decrypt the responses, so you can still look at it.

Without encryption, the data you’re receiving could have been modified by anyone during transit and you’d have no way to know. In the past there have been ISPs caught rewriting pages to insert their own ads – that’s impractical now that 80%+ of web traffic is encrypted.