An interesting account of early human distribution. Not as previously thought!

>>This incredibly ancient human bone further erodes the recent “Out of Africa” model. Not only were early modern human populations living beyond Africa 120,000 years ago, but they had already colonized western Eurasia almost 200,000 years ago. This date from Israel is virtually contemporary with those of the oldest early modern human remains found in East Africa, at 160,000 to 195,000 years of age (the Omo and Herto Skulls).

This latest announcement comes hot on the heels of several other “problematic” findings, including a new status for China’s Dali Skull, now identified as being that of a 260,000-year-old archaic Homo sapiens. The other major upset for existing models involved the detection of an interbreeding event between Neanderthals and archaic Homo sapiens that occurred somewhere in Eurasia around 270,000 years ago, emerging from the study of a Neanderthal bone at the Hohlenstein-Stadel archaeological site in Germany.<<

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/01/27/oldest-non-african-human-fossil/?utm_source=penultimate

PermeateFree said:

An interesting account of early human distribution. Not as previously thought!

>>This incredibly ancient human bone further erodes the recent “Out of Africa” model. Not only were early modern human populations living beyond Africa 120,000 years ago, but they had already colonized western Eurasia almost 200,000 years ago. This date from Israel is virtually contemporary with those of the oldest early modern human remains found in East Africa, at 160,000 to 195,000 years of age (the Omo and Herto Skulls).

This latest announcement comes hot on the heels of several other “problematic” findings, including a new status for China’s Dali Skull, now identified as being that of a 260,000-year-old archaic Homo sapiens. The other major upset for existing models involved the detection of an interbreeding event between Neanderthals and archaic Homo sapiens that occurred somewhere in Eurasia around 270,000 years ago, emerging from the study of a Neanderthal bone at the Hohlenstein-Stadel archaeological site in Germany.<<

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/01/27/oldest-non-african-human-fossil/?utm_source=penultimate

Very interesting, but how do they explain mt-Eve from East Africa?
Two out of Africa migrations?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (also mt-Eve, mt-MRCA) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all currently living humans, i.e., the most recent woman from whom all living humans descend in an unbroken line purely through their mothers, and through the mothers of those mothers, back until all lines converge on one woman.

In terms of mitochondrial haplogroups, the mt-MRCA is situated at the divergence of macro-haplogroup L into L0 and L1–6. As of 2013, estimates on the age of this split ranged at around 150,000 years ago, consistent with a date later than the speciation of Homo sapiens but earlier than the recent Out-of-Africa dispersal.

PermeateFree said:

An interesting account of early human distribution. Not as previously thought!

>>This incredibly ancient human bone further erodes the recent “Out of Africa” model. Not only were early modern human populations living beyond Africa 120,000 years ago, but they had already colonized western Eurasia almost 200,000 years ago. This date from Israel is virtually contemporary with those of the oldest early modern human remains found in East Africa, at 160,000 to 195,000 years of age (the Omo and Herto Skulls).

This latest announcement comes hot on the heels of several other “problematic” findings, including a new status for China’s Dali Skull, now identified as being that of a 260,000-year-old archaic Homo sapiens. The other major upset for existing models involved the detection of an interbreeding event between Neanderthals and archaic Homo sapiens that occurred somewhere in Eurasia around 270,000 years ago, emerging from the study of a Neanderthal bone at the Hohlenstein-Stadel archaeological site in Germany.<<

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/01/27/oldest-non-african-human-fossil/?utm_source=penultimate

Co-evolution would be the more interesting premise but you could possibly push back modern humans to say 500,000 years ago and they migrated many times since then.

Very interesting, but how do they explain mt-Eve from East Africa? Two out of Africa migrations?

It could be likely perhaps for a number of reasons.
Forced or voluntary diaspora to spread our species so one disaster doesn’t wipe us out
Or cultural curiosity spread over a millennia were people are curious to see what beyond the local area or even go searching for people from legend who disappeared a long time ago.

Something like

“Ugg and his followers went to get some durries and never came back, that was a long time ago”

“I distant descendant of Ugg will go look for them and go to the bottle shop as well”

Cymek said:

Very interesting, but how do they explain mt-Eve from East Africa? Two out of Africa migrations?

It could be likely perhaps for a number of reasons.
Forced or voluntary diaspora to spread our species so one disaster doesn’t wipe us out
Or cultural curiosity spread over a millennia were people are curious to see what beyond the local area or even go searching for people from legend who disappeared a long time ago.

Something like

“Ugg and his followers went to get some durries and never came back, that was a long time ago”

“I distant descendant of Ugg will go look for them and go to the bottle shop as well”

Yes looking back on the facts, it seems most unlikely that only a single group decided to leave Africa, especially when you consider the size of the place. The current migration from Africa involves waves of people in just a few years, imagine what it would look like over thousands of years.

PermeateFree said:

Cymek said:

Very interesting, but how do they explain mt-Eve from East Africa? Two out of Africa migrations?

It could be likely perhaps for a number of reasons.
Forced or voluntary diaspora to spread our species so one disaster doesn’t wipe us out
Or cultural curiosity spread over a millennia were people are curious to see what beyond the local area or even go searching for people from legend who disappeared a long time ago.

Something like

“Ugg and his followers went to get some durries and never came back, that was a long time ago”

“I distant descendant of Ugg will go look for them and go to the bottle shop as well”

Yes looking back on the facts, it seems most unlikely that only a single group decided to leave Africa, especially when you consider the size of the place. The current migration from Africa involves waves of people in just a few years, imagine what it would look like over thousands of years.

Thousands of migrations.

Cymek said:

Very interesting, but how do they explain mt-Eve from East Africa? Two out of Africa migrations?

It could be likely perhaps for a number of reasons.
Forced or voluntary diaspora to spread our species so one disaster doesn’t wipe us out
Or cultural curiosity spread over a millennia were people are curious to see what beyond the local area or even go searching for people from legend who disappeared a long time ago.

Something like

“Ugg and his followers went to get some durries and never came back, that was a long time ago”

“I distant descendant of Ugg will go look for them and go to the bottle shop as well”

The Toba supervolcano. Wiped out lots of humans except a small number in Africa, who then recolonised the rest in a second wave.

Or, the second wave of colonisation when it happened was bigger, faster and involved more numbers than previously. Possibly an adaptation to a coastal lifestyle (rather than life on the plains) and the invention of boats/canoes/rafts.

party_pants said:

Cymek said:

Very interesting, but how do they explain mt-Eve from East Africa? Two out of Africa migrations?

It could be likely perhaps for a number of reasons.
Forced or voluntary diaspora to spread our species so one disaster doesn’t wipe us out
Or cultural curiosity spread over a millennia were people are curious to see what beyond the local area or even go searching for people from legend who disappeared a long time ago.

Something like

“Ugg and his followers went to get some durries and never came back, that was a long time ago”

“I distant descendant of Ugg will go look for them and go to the bottle shop as well”

The Toba supervolcano. Wiped out lots of humans except a small number in Africa, who then recolonised the rest in a second wave.

Or, the second wave of colonisation when it happened was bigger, faster and involved more numbers than previously. Possibly an adaptation to a coastal lifestyle (rather than life on the plains) and the invention of boats/canoes/rafts.

Toba definitely played a big part.