Date: 6/12/2018 04:45:46
From: transition
ID: 1312346
Subject: your introduction to democracy and agreement

it seems a highly practical outcome of evolution that you can’t remember your own birth, or the act that resulted in the recombined DNA that is you.

your introduction to a moral and ethical life starts with inevitabilities, and ignorance.

is there any other way?

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Date: 6/12/2018 09:35:39
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1312371
Subject: re: your introduction to democracy and agreement

transition said:

it seems a highly practical outcome of evolution that you can’t remember your own birth, or the act that resulted in the recombined DNA that is you.

your introduction to a moral and ethical life starts with inevitabilities, and ignorance.

is there any other way?

Yes. Read the utilitarians Bentham and Mill.
Morality and ethics can and should be taught.

“A person’s act is morally right if and only if it produces the best possible results in that specific situation. Classical utilitarians, including Jeremy Bentham, John Stuart Mill, and Henry Sidgwick, define happiness as pleasure and the absence of pain.”

“Bentham defined as the “fundamental axiom” of his philosophy the principle that “it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong”. He became a leading theorist in Anglo-American philosophy of law, and a political radical whose ideas influenced the development of welfarism. He advocated for individual and economic freedoms, the separation of church and state, freedom of expression, equal rights for women, the right to divorce, and the decriminalising of homosexual acts. He called for the abolition of slavery, of the death penalty, and of physical punishment, including that of children. He has also become known as an early advocate of animal rights. He opposed the idea of natural law and natural rights (both of which are considered “divine” or “God-given” in origin), calling them “nonsense upon stilts”. Bentham was also a sharp critic of legal fictions.”

Bentham, Jeremy (1780). “An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation.”

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Date: 7/12/2018 11:20:19
From: transition
ID: 1312939
Subject: re: your introduction to democracy and agreement

>“it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong”

imagine that, amplify social relativism, make that hyper comparison (envy and jealousy are universal, including avoidance of), and utilitarianism gives you the building blocks of a utopia gone wrong, a dystopia.

anyway, to the OP subject..

the idea as that your introduction to the world (to life) starts with choicelessness, that’s your first experience.

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