The old piston engine might be around longer than expected.

>>As the United States becomes a net oil exporter for the first time in 75 years, the US Department of the Interior has announced the discovery of the largest continuous oil and gas field ever found. Situated in the Wolfcamp Shale and overlying Bone Spring Formation in Texas and the Permian Basin in New Mexico, the new resource is estimated to contain 46.3 billion barrels of oil, 281 trillion cu ft of natural gas, and 20 billion barrels of natural gas liquids worth trillions of dollars.<<

https://newatlas.com/largest-continuous-oil-gas-us/57579/

Praise the Lord.

And that’s not considering the reserves under the three quarters of the globe that is underwater and becoming available with technology.

With technology like Mazdas compression petrol and hybrid I think fossil fuel will be around for a while.

PermeateFree said:

The old piston engine might be around longer than expected.

>>As the United States becomes a net oil exporter for the first time in 75 years, the US Department of the Interior has announced the discovery of the largest continuous oil and gas field ever found. Situated in the Wolfcamp Shale and overlying Bone Spring Formation in Texas and the Permian Basin in New Mexico, the new resource is estimated to contain 46.3 billion barrels of oil, 281 trillion cu ft of natural gas, and 20 billion barrels of natural gas liquids worth trillions of dollars.<<

https://newatlas.com/largest-continuous-oil-gas-us/57579/

Following link to https://www.usgs.gov/news/usgs-announces-largest-continuous-oil-assessment-texas-and-new-mexico

This area.

AwesomeO said:

And that’s not considering the reserves under the three quarters of the globe that is underwater and becoming available with technology.

With technology like Mazdas compression petrol and hybrid I think fossil fuel will be around for a while.

I’m still not sure about 200 years from now. Before the American find, I would have said it was touch and go whether crude oil would run out in 200 years. The American find nearly, but doesn’t quite, bring American oil production back up to the previous peak production.

The Good news is that Saudi oil has shown no signs of running out, so far.

So now I’d give even money on 300 years. But it could be as small as 100.

Jeebers, 200 years is a long time at the present pace of development. That’s going to see a fully matured gene technology in the health field and computer intelligence in everything else.

AwesomeO said:

Jeebers, 200 years is a long time at the present pace of development. That’s going to see a fully matured gene technology in the health field and computer intelligence in everything else.

And having said that, gene technology for more than human health, manufactured trees with woods designed for building materials and all the benefits of gene manipulation for crops in saline waters or otherwise inhospitable areas.

AwesomeO said:

AwesomeO said:

Jeebers, 200 years is a long time at the present pace of development. That’s going to see a fully matured gene technology in the health field and computer intelligence in everything else.

And having said that, gene technology for more than human health, manufactured trees with woods designed for building materials and all the benefits of gene manipulation for crops in saline waters or otherwise inhospitable areas.

Yes. It’s simpler than that while gas lasts.

Coal + gas + heat = oil.
PAH + gas + heat = oil.

mollwollfumble said:

AwesomeO said:

AwesomeO said:

Jeebers, 200 years is a long time at the present pace of development. That’s going to see a fully matured gene technology in the health field and computer intelligence in everything else.

And having said that, gene technology for more than human health, manufactured trees with woods designed for building materials and all the benefits of gene manipulation for crops in saline waters or otherwise inhospitable areas.

Yes. It’s simpler than that while gas lasts.

Coal + gas + heat = oil.
PAH + gas + heat = oil.

I don’t know what PAH is. But gas and fuel, though not fossil, but fossil like can be grown. Or in other words, I don’t think the advantages of the combustion engine will pass quickly.

Having said that, in the time frame of 200 years it may be as the same status as horse riding. Horses used to be a part of transport and industry, now they are leisure and hobby items.

AwesomeO said:

mollwollfumble said:

AwesomeO said:

And having said that, gene technology for more than human health, manufactured trees with woods designed for building materials and all the benefits of gene manipulation for crops in saline waters or otherwise inhospitable areas.

Yes. It’s simpler than that while gas lasts.

Coal + gas + heat = oil.
PAH + gas + heat = oil.

I don’t know what PAH is. But gas and fuel, though not fossil, but fossil like can be grown. Or in other words, I don’t think the advantages of the combustion engine will pass quickly.

Having said that, in the time frame of 200 years it may be as the same status as horse riding. Horses used to be a part of transport and industry, now they are leisure and hobby items.

Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon

Shoud we hope for the influence that Middle Eastern oil produces now wield with the US to be diminished at some near-future time? It’d be interesting to see a US foreign policy which didn’t have to constantly consider ‘but what will (e.g.) the Saudis think?”.

captain_spalding said:

Shoud we hope for the influence that Middle Eastern oil produces now wield with the US to be diminished at some near-future time? It’d be interesting to see a US foreign policy which didn’t have to constantly consider ‘but what will (e.g.) the Saudis think?”.

I think the US has no real interests in the house of Saudi, (different to the country) other than a pretty compliant partner in OPEC who has proven their credentials and also as a purchaser of defence goods and a “reasonably” reliable provider of staging areas in the region. I suspect that role will diminish as the importance of those considerations diminish.

Israel though I suspect will remain an abiding interest because of electoral and philosophical reasons. And for that reason I think that in 200 years the Palestinians will still be throwing rocks.

PermeateFree said:

The old piston engine might be around longer than expected.

IDKAB.

OECD and China have phase out dates for ICE cars, and it has nothing to do with oil availability.

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

The old piston engine might be around longer than expected.

IDKAB.

OECD and China have phase out dates for ICE cars, and it has nothing to do with oil availability.

According to the Energy Information Administration, here is the breakdown of U.S. Petroleum Consumption in 2001:

Gasoline (Used to fuel cars) – 44% Heating Oil (Used to heat buildings), and Diesel Fuel – 19% Other Products – 15% Jet Fuel – 8% Propane – 6%

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

The old piston engine might be around longer than expected.

IDKAB.

OECD and China have phase out dates for ICE cars, and it has nothing to do with oil availability.

According to the Energy Information Administration, here is the breakdown of U.S. Petroleum Consumption in 2001:

Gasoline (Used to fuel cars) – 44% Heating Oil (Used to heat buildings), and Diesel Fuel – 19% Other Products – 15% Jet Fuel – 8% Propane – 6%

Yep, that checks out. That makes it even more likely that the ICE will be phased out.

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

IDKAB.

OECD and China have phase out dates for ICE cars, and it has nothing to do with oil availability.

According to the Energy Information Administration, here is the breakdown of U.S. Petroleum Consumption in 2001:

Gasoline (Used to fuel cars) – 44% Heating Oil (Used to heat buildings), and Diesel Fuel – 19% Other Products – 15% Jet Fuel – 8% Propane – 6%

Yep, that checks out. That makes it even more likely that the ICE will be phased out.

The Americans wont like it.

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

PermeateFree said:

The old piston engine might be around longer than expected.

IDKAB.

OECD and China have phase out dates for ICE cars, and it has nothing to do with oil availability.

According to the Energy Information Administration, here is the breakdown of U.S. Petroleum Consumption in 2001:

Gasoline (Used to fuel cars) – 44% Heating Oil (Used to heat buildings), and Diesel Fuel – 19% Other Products – 15% Jet Fuel – 8% Propane – 6%

I agree with PermeateFree here.

I don’t see aeroplanes, either ultralight, fighter or cargo, ever being sufficiently efficient with anything other than ICE. Ditto motorbikes. Ditto helicopters.

Non-ICE is heavy. And there’s no getting over that.

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

dv said:

IDKAB.

OECD and China have phase out dates for ICE cars, and it has nothing to do with oil availability.

According to the Energy Information Administration, here is the breakdown of U.S. Petroleum Consumption in 2001:

Gasoline (Used to fuel cars) – 44% Heating Oil (Used to heat buildings), and Diesel Fuel – 19% Other Products – 15% Jet Fuel – 8% Propane – 6%

I agree with PermeateFree here.

I don’t see aeroplanes, either ultralight, fighter or cargo, ever being sufficiently efficient with anything other than ICE. Ditto motorbikes. Ditto helicopters.

Non-ICE is heavy. And there’s no getting over that.

This. There’s nothing remotely close to use as fuel for airliners & larger planes. There’s a few smaller planes that are using electric power but they are still rather limited in range & endurance compared to the liquid-fuelled ones. Better battery technology, etc, will help but it’s quite unlikely to replace the ICE/petrol types any time soon.

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

According to the Energy Information Administration, here is the breakdown of U.S. Petroleum Consumption in 2001:

Gasoline (Used to fuel cars) – 44% Heating Oil (Used to heat buildings), and Diesel Fuel – 19% Other Products – 15% Jet Fuel – 8% Propane – 6%

I agree with PermeateFree here.

I don’t see aeroplanes, either ultralight, fighter or cargo, ever being sufficiently efficient with anything other than ICE. Ditto motorbikes. Ditto helicopters.

Non-ICE is heavy. And there’s no getting over that.

This. There’s nothing remotely close to use as fuel for airliners & larger planes. There’s a few smaller planes that are using electric power but they are still rather limited in range & endurance compared to the liquid-fuelled ones. Better battery technology, etc, will help but it’s quite unlikely to replace the ICE/petrol types any time soon.

True that.

Not motorbikes, though. There are already quite a few plug in electric motorbikes.

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

I agree with PermeateFree here.

I don’t see aeroplanes, either ultralight, fighter or cargo, ever being sufficiently efficient with anything other than ICE. Ditto motorbikes. Ditto helicopters.

Non-ICE is heavy. And there’s no getting over that.

This. There’s nothing remotely close to use as fuel for airliners & larger planes. There’s a few smaller planes that are using electric power but they are still rather limited in range & endurance compared to the liquid-fuelled ones. Better battery technology, etc, will help but it’s quite unlikely to replace the ICE/petrol types any time soon.

True that.

Not motorbikes, though. There are already quite a few plug in electric motorbikes.

Yep. Perhaps the fastest bike in the world is the electric Lightning LS 218
It got the ‘218’ in the title because it did 218 mph on the Bonneville salt flats. That’s with the standard 200 hp from the motor, but since then they’ve improved the battery pack, controller, and cooling and can get 300 hp from the motor.
The video is well worth a watch.

As you see, nearly but not quite back to the 1970 peak.

Ups and downs.

Ages ago I noticed a correlation between oil location and limestone location. It’s more complicated than that because of limestone age. But is that about right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3DiAecsh_0

Bill, that is an impressive video. I like when he says, ‘let’s try that again and see if i can say something intelligent’. Nope, apparently not, just too overwhelming.

As he says, things will only develop from here. Lot of people going to have more bike than they’re ready for, i fear. I don’t want one, but, gee, i wish i had the gonads to pilot one.

Spiny Norman said:

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

This. There’s nothing remotely close to use as fuel for airliners & larger planes. There’s a few smaller planes that are using electric power but they are still rather limited in range & endurance compared to the liquid-fuelled ones. Better battery technology, etc, will help but it’s quite unlikely to replace the ICE/petrol types any time soon.

True that.

Not motorbikes, though. There are already quite a few plug in electric motorbikes.

Yep. Perhaps the fastest bike in the world is the electric Lightning LS 218
It got the ‘218’ in the title because it did 218 mph on the Bonneville salt flats. That’s with the standard 200 hp from the motor, but since then they’ve improved the battery pack, controller, and cooling and can get 300 hp from the motor.
The video is well worth a watch.

Speed and duration tend to be opposites. Lighter weight improves speed but not duration.

Interesting though about electric motorbikes. I hadn’t heard of them.

Even more interesting about mini turbines.

captain_spalding said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3DiAecsh_0

Bill, that is an impressive video. I like when he says, ‘let’s try that again and see if i can say something intelligent’. Nope, apparently not, just too overwhelming.

As he says, things will only develop from here. Lot of people going to have more bike than they’re ready for, i fear. I don’t want one, but, gee, i wish i had the gonads to pilot one.

:)

Technology exceeds capacity of wetware.

drop a match in it, and carry on with renewables.

Spiny Norman said:

dv said:

Spiny Norman said:

This. There’s nothing remotely close to use as fuel for airliners & larger planes. There’s a few smaller planes that are using electric power but they are still rather limited in range & endurance compared to the liquid-fuelled ones. Better battery technology, etc, will help but it’s quite unlikely to replace the ICE/petrol types any time soon.

True that.

Not motorbikes, though. There are already quite a few plug in electric motorbikes.

Yep. Perhaps the fastest bike in the world is the electric Lightning LS 218
It got the ‘218’ in the title because it did 218 mph on the Bonneville salt flats. That’s with the standard 200 hp from the motor, but since then they’ve improved the battery pack, controller, and cooling and can get 300 hp from the motor.
The video is well worth a watch.

Thanks for that SN.

:)

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

dv said:

True that.

Not motorbikes, though. There are already quite a few plug in electric motorbikes.

Yep. Perhaps the fastest bike in the world is the electric Lightning LS 218
It got the ‘218’ in the title because it did 218 mph on the Bonneville salt flats. That’s with the standard 200 hp from the motor, but since then they’ve improved the battery pack, controller, and cooling and can get 300 hp from the motor.
The video is well worth a watch.

Thanks for that SN.

:)

I’m gonna have to get serious about winning Lotto – That’s my new bike (along with the best armour & helmet I can get) and a Tesla P100D thanks.

Hey by the by

In most estimates of ultimate recoverable resources, it is assumed that you need to lift the oil to surface and to a refinery, and so if the energy required to do that is higher than the energy you’ll recover, then it’s not a resource.

But there have been papers on the possibility of refining the oil in situ, and running an underground oil powered electrical plant.

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

The old piston engine might be around longer than expected.

>>As the United States becomes a net oil exporter for the first time in 75 years, the US Department of the Interior has announced the discovery of the largest continuous oil and gas field ever found. Situated in the Wolfcamp Shale and overlying Bone Spring Formation in Texas and the Permian Basin in New Mexico, the new resource is estimated to contain 46.3 billion barrels of oil, 281 trillion cu ft of natural gas, and 20 billion barrels of natural gas liquids worth trillions of dollars.<<

https://newatlas.com/largest-continuous-oil-gas-us/57579/

Following link to https://www.usgs.gov/news/usgs-announces-largest-continuous-oil-assessment-texas-and-new-mexico

This area.

AwesomeO said:

And that’s not considering the reserves under the three quarters of the globe that is underwater and becoming available with technology.

With technology like Mazdas compression petrol and hybrid I think fossil fuel will be around for a while.

I’m still not sure about 200 years from now. Before the American find, I would have said it was touch and go whether crude oil would run out in 200 years. The American find nearly, but doesn’t quite, bring American oil production back up to the previous peak production.

The Good news is that Saudi oil has shown no signs of running out, so far.

So now I’d give even money on 300 years. But it could be as small as 100.

Pity it means the Saudi princes still get to act like douche bags for many years

Cymek said:

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

The old piston engine might be around longer than expected.

>>As the United States becomes a net oil exporter for the first time in 75 years, the US Department of the Interior has announced the discovery of the largest continuous oil and gas field ever found. Situated in the Wolfcamp Shale and overlying Bone Spring Formation in Texas and the Permian Basin in New Mexico, the new resource is estimated to contain 46.3 billion barrels of oil, 281 trillion cu ft of natural gas, and 20 billion barrels of natural gas liquids worth trillions of dollars.<<

https://newatlas.com/largest-continuous-oil-gas-us/57579/

Following link to https://www.usgs.gov/news/usgs-announces-largest-continuous-oil-assessment-texas-and-new-mexico

This area.

AwesomeO said:

And that’s not considering the reserves under the three quarters of the globe that is underwater and becoming available with technology.

With technology like Mazdas compression petrol and hybrid I think fossil fuel will be around for a while.

I’m still not sure about 200 years from now. Before the American find, I would have said it was touch and go whether crude oil would run out in 200 years. The American find nearly, but doesn’t quite, bring American oil production back up to the previous peak production.

The Good news is that Saudi oil has shown no signs of running out, so far.

So now I’d give even money on 300 years. But it could be as small as 100.

Pity it means the Saudi princes still get to act like douche bags for many years

I think the recoverable oil will not be depleted, ever. Demand will fall.

Instead of using the oil for petrol for vehicles perhaps it should be used for things we don’t have an alternative for yet.
These big finds may not be good as then the USA has an out for alternative energy and renewables

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Yep. Perhaps the fastest bike in the world is the electric Lightning LS 218
It got the ‘218’ in the title because it did 218 mph on the Bonneville salt flats. That’s with the standard 200 hp from the motor, but since then they’ve improved the battery pack, controller, and cooling and can get 300 hp from the motor.
The video is well worth a watch.

Thanks for that SN.

:)

I’m gonna have to get serious about winning Lotto – That’s my new bike (along with the best armour & helmet I can get) and a Tesla P100D thanks.

Ha!

When you get one, I bags a ride.

:)

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

Michael V said:

Thanks for that SN.

:)

I’m gonna have to get serious about winning Lotto – That’s my new bike (along with the best armour & helmet I can get) and a Tesla P100D thanks.

Ha!

When you get one, I bags a ride.

:)

Other reviews point out some areas for improvement e.g. suspension is said to be very stiff, seat not comfortable, and one reviewer had a few tech probs with the motor – had to stop and let the bike ‘reset’ itself before he could continue.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

I’m gonna have to get serious about winning Lotto – That’s my new bike (along with the best armour & helmet I can get) and a Tesla P100D thanks.

Ha!

When you get one, I bags a ride.

:)

Other reviews point out some areas for improvement e.g. suspension is said to be very stiff, seat not comfortable, and one reviewer had a few tech probs with the motor – had to stop and let the bike ‘reset’ itself before he could continue.

Do you reckon people will adopt electric vehicles en masse and not pine for the days of petrol vehicles, will they miss the noise I wonder

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Ha!

When you get one, I bags a ride.

:)

Other reviews point out some areas for improvement e.g. suspension is said to be very stiff, seat not comfortable, and one reviewer had a few tech probs with the motor – had to stop and let the bike ‘reset’ itself before he could continue.

Do you reckon people will adopt electric vehicles en masse and not pine for the days of petrol vehicles, will they miss the noise I wonder

They’re actually working on suitable ‘sound wardrobes’ for electric cars. What if you could pick your own – have it sound like a steam loco, or a jet fighter, or a barrel organ, or whatever?

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Other reviews point out some areas for improvement e.g. suspension is said to be very stiff, seat not comfortable, and one reviewer had a few tech probs with the motor – had to stop and let the bike ‘reset’ itself before he could continue.

Do you reckon people will adopt electric vehicles en masse and not pine for the days of petrol vehicles, will they miss the noise I wonder

They’re actually working on suitable ‘sound wardrobes’ for electric cars. What if you could pick your own – have it sound like a steam loco, or a jet fighter, or a barrel organ, or whatever?

I imagine that’s for safety not just aesthetics as they could sneak up on you and yeah it would be cool if you choose your own tie fighter noise for example

• I imagine that’s for safety not just aesthetics as they could sneak up on you and yeah it would be cool if you choose your own tie fighter noise for example

Remember when advertising, and downloading, ringtones was big business? Remember how incredibly annoying some of those ringtones were? This could get worse. Much, much worse…

captain_spalding said:

Cymek said:

captain_spalding said:

Other reviews point out some areas for improvement e.g. suspension is said to be very stiff, seat not comfortable, and one reviewer had a few tech probs with the motor – had to stop and let the bike ‘reset’ itself before he could continue.

Do you reckon people will adopt electric vehicles en masse and not pine for the days of petrol vehicles, will they miss the noise I wonder

They’re actually working on suitable ‘sound wardrobes’ for electric cars. What if you could pick your own – have it sound like a steam loco, or a jet fighter, or a barrel organ, or whatever?

I’ll grab one when they can simulate a Pink Floyd concert.

captain_spalding said:

Michael V said:

Spiny Norman said:

I’m gonna have to get serious about winning Lotto – That’s my new bike (along with the best armour & helmet I can get) and a Tesla P100D thanks.

Ha!

When you get one, I bags a ride.

:)

Other reviews point out some areas for improvement e.g. suspension is said to be very stiff, seat not comfortable, and one reviewer had a few tech probs with the motor – had to stop and let the bike ‘reset’ itself before he could continue.

Problem bilong SN.