Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

dv said:

Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

Yeah. It would certainly cut down on lifesavers fairly quickly.

I think probably the journalist has not conveyed the information properly.

Perhaps what was said was that in 76% of the cases where there was a drowning that involved an attempted rescue, the rescuer drowned and the rescuee survived. That would still be a weird stat but believable.

I would think that most of the time when someone attempts a rescue, no one drowns.

dv said:

Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

A related and secondary syndrome is composed of those who drown in impulsive, altruistic attempts to go to the aid of a drowning child. Such ‘rescuers’ who attempt to save a drowning child may themselves drown, a tragic event we term the AVIR syndrome or aquatic victim-instead-of-rescuer. This study is composed of a five-year (1 July 2002 to 30 June 2007) total population Australian survey, using the National Coroners Information System to identify cases and an analysis of every immersion rescuer-victim dyad where the primary ‘victim’ was a child and where the ‘rescuer’ drowned. In Australia (2002-2007), 17 rescuers drowned in 15 incidents in which the primary victim was a drowning child. In 93% of the incidents, the primary ‘child-victim’ survived, 82% of the victims were unfamiliar with the aquatic location (i.e. were a visitor) and 76% of the victims were a male parent, partner of first-degree relative.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47543315_Drowning_for_love_The_aquatic_victim-instead-of-rescuer_syndrome_Drowning_fatalities_involving_those_attempting_to_rescue_a_child

Bondi rescue wouldn’t have lasted past the first show.

sibeen said:

dv said:

Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

Yeah. It would certainly cut down on lifesavers fairly quickly.

I imagine it’s in non controlled circumstances, I bet many of the rescuers had sub par or no swimming ability.
Plus you could add in the rescuer not only has to swim themselves but the person in trouble and die trying

poikilotherm said:

dv said:

Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

A related and secondary syndrome is composed of those who drown in impulsive, altruistic attempts to go to the aid of a drowning child. Such ‘rescuers’ who attempt to save a drowning child may themselves drown, a tragic event we term the AVIR syndrome or aquatic victim-instead-of-rescuer. This study is composed of a five-year (1 July 2002 to 30 June 2007) total population Australian survey, using the National Coroners Information System to identify cases and an analysis of every immersion rescuer-victim dyad where the primary ‘victim’ was a child and where the ‘rescuer’ drowned. In Australia (2002-2007), 17 rescuers drowned in 15 incidents in which the primary victim was a drowning child. In 93% of the incidents, the primary ‘child-victim’ survived, 82% of the victims were unfamiliar with the aquatic location (i.e. were a visitor) and 76% of the victims were a male parent, partner of first-degree relative.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47543315_Drowning_for_love_The_aquatic_victim-instead-of-rescuer_syndrome_Drowning_fatalities_involving_those_attempting_to_rescue_a_child

If that’s really the source then the journalist has completely misunderstood the data…

Cymek said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

Yeah. It would certainly cut down on lifesavers fairly quickly.

I imagine it’s in non controlled circumstances, I bet many of the rescuers had sub par or no swimming ability.
Plus you could add in the rescuer not only has to swim themselves but the person in trouble and die trying

Even so

Cymek said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

Yeah. It would certainly cut down on lifesavers fairly quickly.

I imagine it’s in non controlled circumstances, I bet many of the rescuers had sub par or no swimming ability.
Plus you could add in the rescuer not only has to swim themselves but the person in trouble and die trying

Yes. They are not talking about trained rescuers drowning.

dv said:

Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

Mainly the people who are drowning are those who haven’t been here long enough to learn about our water.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

Mainly the people who are drowning are those who haven’t been here long enough to learn about our water.

Probably quite easy to drown once you are in trouble

dv said:

Drownings in Australia up 51% on last summer after five men die on New Year’s Day

Drownings in Australia are up 51% compared with the same time last year, after five men drowned on New Year’s Day.

Preliminary figures compiled by Royal Life Saving Australia show that 47 people drowned from 1 December to 1 January, compared with 31 last summer.

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Roberts said people drowning while trying to rescue a friend or loved one was also a significant risk, and urged people, particularly parents, to take first aid and surf life-saving courses so they are able to help if their children get into trouble. In 76% of cases where someone has attempted a rescue, he said, the rescuer drowned while the other person survived.

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I’m having a lot of difficulty believing that last stat.

I don’t know if I remember correctly, but it was mentioned in passing yesterday afternoon that 32 people had been rescued from drowning – yesterday.

As for rescuer drowning – well – if a person sees someone drowning and doesn’t rescue them – and they survive – then the survivor probably has a motive for murder.