Interesting video of watchmaker Masahiro Kikuno who designs and makes his watches by hand.
I legit thought this was going to be about a comet
More of Masahiro Kikuno’s watches
https://www.google.com/search?q=Masahiro+Kikuno&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=
Professional watchmaker Ryan Jewell breaks down two different Carpenter watches; one watch with Japanese movement and another with Swiss movement.
Watchmaker Breaks Down Swiss vs Japanese Made Watches | WIRED
Youtube video
Patek philippe 26 million $ dollar timepiece-Calibre 89
The Patek Philippe Calibre 89 is a commemorative pocket watch created in 1989, to celebrate the company’s 150th anniversary. Declared by Patek Philippe as “the most complicated watch in the world”, it weighs 1.1 kg, exhibits 24 hands and has 1,728 components in total, including a thermometer, and a star chart. Made from 18 carat (75%) gold or platinum, it has an estimated value of $6 million, and took 5 years of research and development, and 4 years to manufacture. Four watches were made; one in white gold, one in yellow gold, one in rose gold and one in platinum.
But do they:
Fossil watch was supposed to keep accurate time according to the internet. It doesn’t. And it requires battery changes too often. In the car recently there were four watches and all four showed a different time in minutes.
mollwollfumble said:
But do they:
- Keep accurate time, error at most 20 seconds a year.
- Survive on a single battery (not winding daily or self winding obviously) for at least 5 years.
- Cope with normal wear and tear, eg occasional drops without injury.
Fossil watch was supposed to keep accurate time according to the internet. It doesn’t. And it requires battery changes too often. In the car recently there were four watches and all four showed a different time in minutes.
Accuracy is what is required of it.
For science you need a dripping pitch clock or an atomic clock. Even though all your calculations are done on quartz accuracy which is not really accurate at all.
mollwollfumble said:
But do they:
- Keep accurate time, error at most 20 seconds a year.
- Survive on a single battery (not winding daily or self winding obviously) for at least 5 years.
- Cope with normal wear and tear, eg occasional drops without injury.
Fossil watch was supposed to keep accurate time according to the internet. It doesn’t. And it requires battery changes too often. In the car recently there were four watches and all four showed a different time in minutes.
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• Here is where we need to consider the ramifications as to what is expected of a certified chronometer
• I fit new batteries, often more than a hundred per day. My hours vary but I rarely need to work more than four hours per day doing this. I need to make sure that not only does the watch work but that it will also work for longer than the battery. I can give you figures on various watch movements and the batteries they use. Siver oxide batteries are shelf life two years and yet I’ve seen them last much longer in the same watch movement calibre when others are lucky to last one year. There are som many varibles in the quality of supply of movements thta the batteries cannot be blamed.
• We have had shock protection factored in in drop tests for many decades. Yet nobody can factor in occasional drops without injury.Though the customer is always right, their stories can never be believed.
roughbarked said:
mollwollfumble said:
But do they:
- Keep accurate time, error at most 20 seconds a year.
- Survive on a single battery (not winding daily or self winding obviously) for at least 5 years.
- Cope with normal wear and tear, eg occasional drops without injury.
Fossil watch was supposed to keep accurate time according to the internet. It doesn’t. And it requires battery changes too often. In the car recently there were four watches and all four showed a different time in minutes.
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• Here is where we need to consider the ramifications as to what is expected of a certified chronometer
• I fit new batteries, often more than a hundred per day. My hours vary but I rarely need to work more than four hours per day doing this. I need to make sure that not only does the watch work but that it will also work for longer than the battery. I can give you figures on various watch movements and the batteries they use. Siver oxide batteries are shelf life two years and yet I’ve seen them last much longer in the same watch movement calibre when others are lucky to last one year. There are som many varibles in the quality of supply of movements thta the batteries cannot be blamed.
• We have had shock protection factored in in drop tests for many decades. Yet nobody can factor in occasional drops without injury.Though the customer is always right, their stories can never be believed.
• Lithium batteries have a shelf life of ten years. Depending on the user’s usage of functions, I’ve seen them last a few months.
• drop tests. I’m not bothering to google this stuff anymore because I’m over bothering, you all have goo ogle too. Kurth Freres, Certina DS = Durability and Strength.
Drop tests were carried out for centuries before the ability to manufacture shock resistance occurred.
roughbarked said:
• drop tests. I’m not bothering to google this stuff anymore because I’m over bothering, you all have goo ogle too. Kurth Freres, Certina DS = Durability and Strength.
Drop tests were carried out for centuries before the ability to manufacture shock resistance occurred.
Now, the reason I brought up the Certina DS is because it was the new thing when I was an apprentice. During my life seeing and repairing this watch I have repeatedly seen customers defying the aptitude of this watch to live up to it’s reputation in the workplace. Though a I can recall watching another watchmaker up the mainstreet, actually take the customer out to the pavement and toss a brand new Certina DS watch as hard as he could at the footpath. To prove the point.
Now to what I will call honest and accurate customer’s accounts of what actually happened to their Certina DS watches. To keep it brief, I’ll limit it to a couple. “One simply slipped” and this account varies because there was more than one of these, slipped with
• The spanner and took the glass and sometimes the hands too, off.
• The starter on the mower took the glass off.
The watch glass or crystal was five or more times thicker than the ordinary watch glass at the time but the weak point was the same.
• Lost it in the thirty mile. An irigation canal that ran fast for a certain distance ending in a whirlpool where it suddenly widened. He brought the watch in and told me that he had lost it in the thirty mile years before and that years later when the canal emptied someone had found it and returned it because we had engraved his name on the back. The interesting thing was that it was still on the correct time because the action of the whirlpool had kept it wound up.roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
• drop tests. I’m not bothering to google this stuff anymore because I’m over bothering, you all have goo ogle too. Kurth Freres, Certina DS = Durability and Strength.
Drop tests were carried out for centuries before the ability to manufacture shock resistance occurred.
Now, the reason I brought up the Certina DS is because it was the new thing when I was an apprentice. During my life seeing and repairing this watch I have repeatedly seen customers defying the aptitude of this watch to live up to it’s reputation in the workplace. Though a I can recall watching another watchmaker up the mainstreet, actually take the customer out to the pavement and toss a brand new Certina DS watch as hard as he could at the footpath. To prove the point.
Now to what I will call honest and accurate customer’s accounts of what actually happened to their Certina DS watches. To keep it brief, I’ll limit it to a couple. “One simply slipped” and this account varies because there was more than one of these, slipped with
• The spanner and took the glass and sometimes the hands too, off.
• The starter on the mower took the glass off.
- Hit it with the hammer, it saved my wrist a bit.
The watch glass or crystal was five or more times thicker than the ordinary watch glass at the time but the weak point was the same.
• Lost it in the thirty mile. An irigation canal that ran fast for a certain distance ending in a whirlpool where it suddenly widened. He brought the watch in and told me that he had lost it in the thirty mile years before and that years later when the canal emptied someone had found it and returned it because we had engraved his name on the back. The interesting thing was that it was still on the correct time because the action of the whirlpool had kept it wound up.
I might need to add here is that thirty mile ph relates to the speed you travel past rough concrete at for that certain distance wich is about three kilometres.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
• drop tests. I’m not bothering to google this stuff anymore because I’m over bothering, you all have goo ogle too. Kurth Freres, Certina DS = Durability and Strength.
Drop tests were carried out for centuries before the ability to manufacture shock resistance occurred.
Now, the reason I brought up the Certina DS is because it was the new thing when I was an apprentice. During my life seeing and repairing this watch I have repeatedly seen customers defying the aptitude of this watch to live up to it’s reputation in the workplace. Though a I can recall watching another watchmaker up the mainstreet, actually take the customer out to the pavement and toss a brand new Certina DS watch as hard as he could at the footpath. To prove the point.
Now to what I will call honest and accurate customer’s accounts of what actually happened to their Certina DS watches. To keep it brief, I’ll limit it to a couple. “One simply slipped” and this account varies because there was more than one of these, slipped with
• The spanner and took the glass and sometimes the hands too, off.
• The starter on the mower took the glass off.
- Hit it with the hammer, it saved my wrist a bit.
The watch glass or crystal was five or more times thicker than the ordinary watch glass at the time but the weak point was the same.
• Lost it in the thirty mile. An irigation canal that ran fast for a certain distance ending in a whirlpool where it suddenly widened. He brought the watch in and told me that he had lost it in the thirty mile years before and that years later when the canal emptied someone had found it and returned it because we had engraved his name on the back. The interesting thing was that it was still on the correct time because the action of the whirlpool had kept it wound up.I might need to add here is that thirty mile ph relates to the speed you travel past rough concrete at for that certain distance which lasts about three kilometres including having to time your duck under at least two head height concrete bridges.
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roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Now, the reason I brought up the Certina DS is because it was the new thing when I was an apprentice. During my life seeing and repairing this watch I have repeatedly seen customers defying the aptitude of this watch to live up to it’s reputation in the workplace. Though a I can recall watching another watchmaker up the mainstreet, actually take the customer out to the pavement and toss a brand new Certina DS watch as hard as he could at the footpath. To prove the point.
Now to what I will call honest and accurate customer’s accounts of what actually happened to their Certina DS watches. To keep it brief, I’ll limit it to a couple. “One simply slipped” and this account varies because there was more than one of these, slipped with
• The spanner and took the glass and sometimes the hands too, off.
• The starter on the mower took the glass off.
- Hit it with the hammer, it saved my wrist a bit.
The watch glass or crystal was five or more times thicker than the ordinary watch glass at the time but the weak point was the same.
• Lost it in the thirty mile. An irigation canal that ran fast for a certain distance ending in a whirlpool where it suddenly widened. He brought the watch in and told me that he had lost it in the thirty mile years before and that years later when the canal emptied someone had found it and returned it because we had engraved his name on the back. The interesting thing was that it was still on the correct time because the action of the whirlpool had kept it wound up.I might need to add here is that thirty mile ph relates to the speed you travel past rough concrete at for that certain distance which lasts about three kilometres including having to time your duck under at least two head height concrete bridges.
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The thirty mile was where a lot of people used thongs on their hands to avoid the concrete stripping the skin off. Mostly that happened after the thongs went. Rumour had it that once you were in there, you couldn’t get out. I disproved this theory when I saw that I was rapidly approaching a swimming brown snake. Barefoot and all I saw I timed and I ran up and out of the bank without losing any skin at all.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
• drop tests. I’m not bothering to google this stuff anymore because I’m over bothering, you all have goo ogle too. Kurth Freres, Certina DS = Durability and Strength.
Drop tests were carried out for centuries before the ability to manufacture shock resistance occurred.
Now, the reason I brought up the Certina DS is because it was the new thing when I was an apprentice. During my life seeing and repairing this watch I have repeatedly seen customers defying the aptitude of this watch to live up to it’s reputation in the workplace. Though a I can recall watching another watchmaker up the mainstreet, actually take the customer out to the pavement and toss a brand new Certina DS watch as hard as he could at the footpath. To prove the point.
Now to what I will call honest and accurate customer’s accounts of what actually happened to their Certina DS watches. To keep it brief, I’ll limit it to a couple. “One simply slipped” and this account varies because there was more than one of these, slipped with
• The spanner and took the glass and sometimes the hands too, off.
• The starter on the mower took the glass off.
- Hit it with the hammer, it saved my wrist a bit.
The watch glass or crystal was five or more times thicker than the ordinary watch glass at the time but the weak point was the same.
• Lost it in the thirty mile. An irigation canal that ran fast for a certain distance ending in a whirlpool where it suddenly widened. He brought the watch in and told me that he had lost it in the thirty mile years before and that years later when the canal emptied someone had found it and returned it because we had engraved his name on the back. The interesting thing was that it was still on the correct time because the action of the whirlpool had kept it wound up.
The accuracy of this comment is that when I opened the watch the corrosion that had occurred within the confines of the winding stem and crown was undisturbed. Which meant that nobody had reset the hands of the watch. Thus it is true that the motion of the whirlpool had kept the watch wound and working all that time. as to the years, well the minimum would be six months, the maximum maybe two or more years. The swimming season is the hotter months when you’ll risk anything to get wet and the canals always did empty when the winter came.The odds of someone looking in the whirlpool area when the water was down for a watch in the mud are a bit slim.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Watchmaking art part 3
I am wondering, what you are trying to tell me or if so what is it you expect of me?
I am aware that you are sharing your experiences but more than that, why don’t you simply ask me?
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Watchmaking art part 3
I am wondering, what you are trying to tell me or if so what is it you expect of me?
I am aware that you are sharing your experiences but more than that, why don’t you simply ask me?
I am mostly sharing what I’m looking at.
I like watch design, I like designs that look completed and well thought out.
I have around 70+ watches from all over the world.
Have you designed and made your own watch / s RB?
Any photos to share?
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Watchmaking art part 3
I am wondering, what you are trying to tell me or if so what is it you expect of me?
I am aware that you are sharing your experiences but more than that, why don’t you simply ask me?
I am mostly sharing what I’m looking at.
I like watch design, I like designs that look completed and well thought out.
I have around 70+ watches from all over the world.
Have you designed and made your own watch / s RB?
Any photos to share?
I can inform that the reality was that when I took up my apprenticeship and asked to be pointed at the watch I could make I was told that It was cheaper t buy the parts than it was to show me how they were made.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:I am wondering, what you are trying to tell me or if so what is it you expect of me?
I am aware that you are sharing your experiences but more than that, why don’t you simply ask me?
I am mostly sharing what I’m looking at.
I like watch design, I like designs that look completed and well thought out.
I have around 70+ watches from all over the world.
Have you designed and made your own watch / s RB?
Any photos to share?
I can inform that the reality was that when I took up my apprenticeship and asked to be pointed at the watch I could make I was told that It was cheaper t buy the parts than it was to show me how they were made.
Everything else, I was left to teach myself.
eg: not so long ago I asked my watchmaking master a question about the validity of certain theories about about how to troubleshoot a clock that belonged to his accountant which I had previously serviced the mechanical parts, forty years ago as an apprentice. The question I asked was obviously one he’d never contemplated because his answer was, “ I dunno, I left you to learn all about electronic clocks. I was out the back making jewellery”.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I am mostly sharing what I’m looking at.
I like watch design, I like designs that look completed and well thought out.
I have around 70+ watches from all over the world.
Have you designed and made your own watch / s RB?
Any photos to share?
I can inform that the reality was that when I took up my apprenticeship and asked to be pointed at the watch I could make I was told that It was cheaper t buy the parts than it was to show me how they were made.
Everything else, I was left to teach myself.
eg: not so long ago I asked my watchmaking master a question about the validity of certain theories about about how to troubleshoot a clock that belonged to his accountant which I had previously serviced the mechanical parts, forty years ago as an apprentice. The question I asked was obviously one he’d never contemplated because his answer was, “ I dunno, I left you to learn all about electronic clocks. I was out the back making jewellery”.
You appear to have had strange teachers in your apprentice.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:I can inform that the reality was that when I took up my apprenticeship and asked to be pointed at the watch I could make I was told that It was cheaper t buy the parts than it was to show me how they were made.
Everything else, I was left to teach myself.
eg: not so long ago I asked my watchmaking master a question about the validity of certain theories about about how to troubleshoot a clock that belonged to his accountant which I had previously serviced the mechanical parts, forty years ago as an apprentice. The question I asked was obviously one he’d never contemplated because his answer was, “ I dunno, I left you to learn all about electronic clocks. I was out the back making jewellery”.
You appear to have had strange teachers in your apprentice.
I dunno. you set out to be strange and still yet suggest it of others. It is probably all worth pondering but how much time have I actually got within which to apply the aptitude quotient of the IQ thing?
The real test of a watchmaker or any artist or engineer is not about making the art but more about making the tools.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:Everything else, I was left to teach myself.
eg: not so long ago I asked my watchmaking master a question about the validity of certain theories about about how to troubleshoot a clock that belonged to his accountant which I had previously serviced the mechanical parts, forty years ago as an apprentice. The question I asked was obviously one he’d never contemplated because his answer was, “ I dunno, I left you to learn all about electronic clocks. I was out the back making jewellery”.
You appear to have had strange teachers in your apprentice.
I dunno. you set out to be strange and still yet suggest it of others. It is probably all worth pondering but how much time have I actually got within which to apply the aptitude quotient of the IQ thing?
If I can shape a minimum of eight dimensions on the shaft of a pin, within a length of say 3 to 6mm. Does it mean that my IQ is worth measuring?
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:You appear to have had strange teachers in your apprentice.
I dunno. you set out to be strange and still yet suggest it of others. It is probably all worth pondering but how much time have I actually got within which to apply the aptitude quotient of the IQ thing?
If I can shape a minimum of eight dimensions on the shaft of a pin, within a length of say 3 to 6mm. Does it mean that my IQ is worth measuring?
Here I am about to retire from a trade I never really got to have a real go at. A watchmaker trained in the sticks further outback than Pokiliotherm’s? Out here you have to be able to teach yourself what to do and in my day there was definitely no google. It never paid my bills. I had to do everything from hoe weeds, pick fruit to propagate plants to do that.
Anyway, the question was;
Have you designed and made a watch?
The answer is that I can but I don’t need to. I cannot afford the tooling up anyway. What I do know is that all the designer’s names you read on most watches are legitimately made up or are fake.Like you RB, this watchmaker has taught himself and makes his watches out of wood.
Masters Of Time Independent Watchmakers Valerii Danevych Thomas Prescher
Tau.Neutrino said:
Like you RB, this watchmaker has taught himself and makes his watches out of wood.Masters Of Time Independent Watchmakers Valerii Danevych Thomas Prescher
Harrison was a carpenter and made his clocks from wood. Without him, Longitude was ever going to be an inaccurate guess.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Like you RB, this watchmaker has taught himself and makes his watches out of wood.Masters Of Time Independent Watchmakers Valerii Danevych Thomas Prescher
Harrison was a carpenter and made his clocks from wood. Without him, Longitude was ever going to be an inaccurate guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Like you RB, this watchmaker has taught himself and makes his watches out of wood.Masters Of Time Independent Watchmakers Valerii Danevych Thomas Prescher
Harrison was a carpenter and made his clocks from wood. Without him, Longitude was ever going to be an inaccurate guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison
Thanks. I did not know about him.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Watch ArtUlysses Nardin Executive Tourbillon Free Wheel appears to work by magic
illusion.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Major Breakthrough in Watchmaking with the Zenith Defy Lab
we have nothing to hide and everything to share.
Just finished watching this.
The Few Companies That Own the Rest: Watch Industry Breakdown | Everything You Need to Know
