I have long thought that IQ tests are not very useful, in that they are only a rough measure of particular aspects of the complex phenomenon known as intelligence.

Nicholas Taleb says I’m wrong. He thinks IQ tests are totally useless:

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

Who am I to argue?

The Rev Dodgson said:

I have long thought that IQ tests are not very useful, in that they are only a rough measure of particular aspects of the complex phenomenon known as intelligence.

Nicholas Taleb says I’m wrong. He thinks IQ tests are totally useless:

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

Who am I to argue?

They don’t seem to serve much purpose.

I’ve never done one but I have toyed with the idea of becoming an intellectual.

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ve never done one but I have toyed with the idea of becoming an intellectual.

Is that like becoming a Mason, or something?

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ve never done one but I have toyed with the idea of becoming an intellectual.

Is that like becoming a Mason, or something?

Knot really, it’s more of a self appointed epithet or by anointment from ABC journos, something like this.
“Today we have on our panel some of Australia’s leading intellectuals to discuss the plight of Irish lesbians during the potato famine of the 1840’s under the British jackboot Imperialists”

Peak Warming Man said:

captain_spalding said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I’ve never done one but I have toyed with the idea of becoming an intellectual.

Is that like becoming a Mason, or something?

Knot really, it’s more of a self appointed epithet or by anointment from ABC journos, something like this.
“Today we have on our panel some of Australia’s leading intellectuals to discuss the plight of Irish lesbians during the potato famine of the 1840’s under the British jackboot Imperialists”

So, it is a little bit like becoming a Mason or similar, in that you aren’t one until the people who already have that label say you are.

Also, the plight of Irish lesbians in the 1840s was that they were Irish, and living in the 1840s.

Actually, that was the plight of almost everyone in Ireland, at the time.

Sounds like he might have done badly in an IQ test and is not going to let the matter rest.

Bubblecar said:

Sounds like he might have done badly in an IQ test and is not going to let the matter rest.

I found that a high IQ score helped at job interviews.

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

That’s unusual. In my day all students took IQ tests both in primary and high school, presumably for streaming purposes.

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

I’ve done a few back when they were in vogue.
Them & Myers-Briggs personality tests.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

That’s unusual. In my day all students took IQ tests both in primary and high school, presumably for streaming purposes.

…they weren’t called IQ tests, they were just called tests. But they were IQ tests.

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

I have, several times. At least twice at school, and twice during (stupid) careers advisory episodes.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

That’s unusual. In my day all students took IQ tests both in primary and high school, presumably for streaming purposes.

My schools did not stream. Neither primary nor high school.

Bubblecar said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

That’s unusual. In my day all students took IQ tests both in primary and high school, presumably for streaming purposes.

…they weren’t called IQ tests, they were just called tests. But they were IQ tests.

No, but we never did ones like that. We did tests at school, but they were specific to subjects. Even at primary school.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

That’s unusual. In my day all students took IQ tests both in primary and high school, presumably for streaming purposes.

My schools did not stream. Neither primary nor high school.

Don’t know what my scores were except I was told the high school ones were “ very impressive”. I was always in the highest class in primary & high school.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

That’s unusual. In my day all students took IQ tests both in primary and high school, presumably for streaming purposes.

My schools did not stream. Neither primary nor high school.

Don’t know what my scores were except I was told the high school ones were “ very impressive”. I was always in the highest class in primary & high school.

Just asked Mr buffy. He can’t remember doing them at school, and he went to non streaming schools too. Both of us went to government schools. He has done both IQ and Myers-Briggs ones in the ambulance service. But a long time ago.

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

I may have done one in high school. Might need a memory test.

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

I was given two at school and had another with a careers officer after leaving school.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

So who here has actually ever done an IQ test? I’ve never done one. I’ve looked at some online and they just look like the puzzle books I did as a teenager.

That’s unusual. In my day all students took IQ tests both in primary and high school, presumably for streaming purposes.

My schools did not stream. Neither primary nor high school.

What is stream?

So you people with experience of IQ tests, tell me this. When I was in my puzzle period (early teens) I think I stopped doing them because after you’ve done a lot of them they all become rather same same. If you do a lot of IQ tests, do you get better at them? I imagine you do, as they are simply a particular way of thinking. And it can be learned. They are very culturally biassed.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

That’s unusual. In my day all students took IQ tests both in primary and high school, presumably for streaming purposes.

My schools did not stream. Neither primary nor high school.

What is stream?

Streaming is when 1A was the brightest kids and 1F was the dummest kids. As per some sort of testing.

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

That’s unusual. In my day all students took IQ tests both in primary and high school, presumably for streaming purposes.

My schools did not stream. Neither primary nor high school.

What is stream?

Sorting the school population into classes of bright kids and dumb kids, to put it crudely :)

With different course options at high school.

buffy said:

So you people with experience of IQ tests, tell me this. When I was in my puzzle period (early teens) I think I stopped doing them because after you’ve done a lot of them they all become rather same same. If you do a lot of IQ tests, do you get better at them? I imagine you do, as they are simply a particular way of thinking. And it can be learned. They are very culturally biassed.

Yes, those trained in IQ tests do better than those who are not.

Bubblecar said:

Peak Warming Man said:

buffy said:

My schools did not stream. Neither primary nor high school.

What is stream?

Sorting the school population into classes of bright kids and dumb kids, to put it crudely :)

With different course options at high school.

Ah hah, not streaming when I went to school, the culling started at year 8 I think. Kids who didn’t pass the exams at year 8 were culled, the rest went on to high school where the culling continued for another 4 years.
It worked well.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

So you people with experience of IQ tests, tell me this. When I was in my puzzle period (early teens) I think I stopped doing them because after you’ve done a lot of them they all become rather same same. If you do a lot of IQ tests, do you get better at them? I imagine you do, as they are simply a particular way of thinking. And it can be learned. They are very culturally biassed.

Yes, those trained in IQ tests do better than those who are not.

So immediately you reduce their usefulness because you have an unknown factor you can’t correct for?

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

So you people with experience of IQ tests, tell me this. When I was in my puzzle period (early teens) I think I stopped doing them because after you’ve done a lot of them they all become rather same same. If you do a lot of IQ tests, do you get better at them? I imagine you do, as they are simply a particular way of thinking. And it can be learned. They are very culturally biassed.

Yes, those trained in IQ tests do better than those who are not.

So immediately you reduce their usefulness because you have an unknown factor you can’t correct for?

It’s inevitable I suppose.

But I thought they claimed to be testing innate intelligence. Or something.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

Yes, those trained in IQ tests do better than those who are not.

So immediately you reduce their usefulness because you have an unknown factor you can’t correct for?

It’s inevitable I suppose.

IQ tests are not totally useless if they enable you to get a job.
They may be unscientific etc but effective if your interviewer believes in them.

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

So immediately you reduce their usefulness because you have an unknown factor you can’t correct for?

It’s inevitable I suppose.

IQ tests are not totally useless if they enable you to get a job.
They may be unscientific etc but effective if your interviewer believes in them.

I have to take issue with “if your interviewer believes in them”. They should be interviewing to see if you can do the job. Fit the job. Not if you can do an IQ test. Unless the job somehow involves doing IQ tests.

buffy said:

Tamb said:

Bubblecar said:

It’s inevitable I suppose.

IQ tests are not totally useless if they enable you to get a job.
They may be unscientific etc but effective if your interviewer believes in them.

I have to take issue with “if your interviewer believes in them”. They should be interviewing to see if you can do the job. Fit the job. Not if you can do an IQ test. Unless the job somehow involves doing IQ tests.

The job often involves the ability to think & problem solve & IQ tests can indicate that ability.

What if you set up an online IQ test site with Certificates and everything.
Jim’s IQ Testing could become an industry standard.
Of course to get a very high Jim’s IQ Certification it’s going to cost more.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

IQ tests are not totally useless if they enable you to get a job.
They may be unscientific etc but effective if your interviewer believes in them.

I have to take issue with “if your interviewer believes in them”. They should be interviewing to see if you can do the job. Fit the job. Not if you can do an IQ test. Unless the job somehow involves doing IQ tests.

The job often involves the ability to think & problem solve & IQ tests can indicate that ability.

I just read the link in the opening post of this thread. Have a look at it. It explains why this is not so.

buffy said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

I have to take issue with “if your interviewer believes in them”. They should be interviewing to see if you can do the job. Fit the job. Not if you can do an IQ test. Unless the job somehow involves doing IQ tests.

The job often involves the ability to think & problem solve & IQ tests can indicate that ability.

I just read the link in the opening post of this thread. Have a look at it. It explains why this is not so.

Read the link. Quite biased & unscientific IMO

buffy said:

Tamb said:

buffy said:

I have to take issue with “if your interviewer believes in them”. They should be interviewing to see if you can do the job. Fit the job. Not if you can do an IQ test. Unless the job somehow involves doing IQ tests.

The job often involves the ability to think & problem solve & IQ tests can indicate that ability.

I just read the link in the opening post of this thread. Have a look at it. It explains why this is not so.

Read the link? That’s a novel approach.

my impression was the correlation between life (occupational) success and what IQ tests measure seems to suggest something.

Ian said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

The job often involves the ability to think & problem solve & IQ tests can indicate that ability.

I just read the link in the opening post of this thread. Have a look at it. It explains why this is not so.

Read the link? That’s a novel approach.

Well spotted Ian. Read the info revealed when the link is clicked.

transition said:

my impression was the correlation between life (occupational) success and what IQ tests measure seems to suggest something.

Agree

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

The job often involves the ability to think & problem solve & IQ tests can indicate that ability.

I just read the link in the opening post of this thread. Have a look at it. It explains why this is not so.

Read the link. Quite biased & unscientific IMO

Seems to me to just be a statistician’s approach.

There is no significant correlation (or any robust statistical association) between IQ and wealth.

—

Was it ever suggested that these were strongly correlated?

Ian said:

There is no significant correlation (or any robust statistical association) between IQ and wealth.

—

Was it ever suggested that these were strongly correlated?

The present American president claims a high IQ, I think…

The Navy gave us ‘assessment’ tests when we joined. I think they were a combination IQ and Psychological test, to indicate if you might have any real problems.

Things must have changed with the Navy. I know of a young bloke who tried to join a few years ago. As soon as he told the pyschologist, oh yes, i’ve spoken with a psychologist because i felt a bit stressed by my workload, that was it, boom, out the door, services not required. He wasn’t on any pills or anything, just had few chats withthe psychologist, got a bit of advice.

The Navy i knew seemd to have a reasonable share of fruitcakes near the top, and that wan’t always a bad thing. Those kinds of people are often very innovative, and give things an extra push that’s sometimes needed. You could count on them to keep things fresh.

As for the Meyers-Briggs test, that’s a ‘professional’ resource. When i worked in mental health admin, the test could only be adminstered by psychologists. Not social workers, not speech paths or any other clinicians we had. Only psychologists.

buffy said:

Ian said:

There is no significant correlation (or any robust statistical association) between IQ and wealth.

—

Was it ever suggested that these were strongly correlated?

The present American president claims a high IQ, I think…

He claims a lot of things. A few of them may even be true. But not that one, i think.

buffy said:

Ian said:

There is no significant correlation (or any robust statistical association) between IQ and wealth.

—

Was it ever suggested that these were strongly correlated?

The present American president claims a high IQ, I think…

He’s known to be a bit of a liar… just sayin’.

He has a very high Lie Q.

captain_spalding said:

buffy said:

Ian said:

There is no significant correlation (or any robust statistical association) between IQ and wealth.

—

Was it ever suggested that these were strongly correlated?

The present American president claims a high IQ, I think…

He claims a lot of things. A few of them may even be true. But not that one, i think.

The one he’s got on in his office is a Jim’s IQ Certificate, it’s a high number alright, cost him a bit too.

The Rev Dodgson said:

I have long thought that IQ tests are not very useful, in that they are only a rough measure of particular aspects of the complex phenomenon known as intelligence.

Nicholas Taleb says I’m wrong. He thinks IQ tests are totally useless:

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

Who am I to argue?

LOL. Love your phraseology, Rev.

buffy said:

So you people with experience of IQ tests, tell me this. When I was in my puzzle period (early teens) I think I stopped doing them because after you’ve done a lot of them they all become rather same same. If you do a lot of IQ tests, do you get better at them? I imagine you do, as they are simply a particular way of thinking. And it can be learned. They are very culturally biassed.

I got better at them. Yes they can be learned. I think that the desire to learn how to do them better is part of what is actually being measured here.

I really wonder how blind people cope with standard IQ tests.

The Rev Dodgson said:

I have long thought that IQ tests are not very useful, in that they are only a rough measure of particular aspects of the complex phenomenon known as intelligence.

Nicholas Taleb says I’m wrong. He thinks IQ tests are totally useless:

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

Who am I to argue?

> https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

Let’s see what’s in the link.

1. It looks like something written by a person with low IQ. ie. sour grapes.

2. “intellectuals yet idiots”. I would argue that this class of people doesn’t exist. Intellectuals that are insane is a class that does exist – the IQ test is no measure of sanity. The class of inexperienced intellectuals also exists, time fixes that.

3. “racists/eugenists … psychometrics peddlers looking for suckers … lifeless bureaucrats … “. Takes one to know one.

4. “There is no robust significant correlation between IQ and wealth.” That’s true, nowadays. It usen’t be true, but what has happened is that so many people have been chasing high-salary jobs that there has been a shortage of people for jobs that require low IQ, and the shortage has increased the wealth of those with low IQ.

5. “low IQ does correlate to negative performance, as it was initially designed to detect learning special needs”. That makes it useful.

6. “Perhaps the worst problem with IQ is that it seem to selects for people who don’t like to say: there is no answer, don’t waste time, find something else”. I happen to agree with that. I want to see an IQ test with a mix of soluble and insoluble problems – with a high score for not wasting time on insoluble problems.

7. “you need to make a lot of small inconsequential mistake in order to avoid a large consequential one”. Um, WTF. I have not misquoted the word “mistake”.

8. “Not seeing patterns is a virtue in real life.” Definitely disagree.

9. Correlation with IQ. “Highest for military success … lowest for political leadership”. That agrees with what would be expected. Note that success in all seven categories (including artist) is positively correlated with IQ.

10. The dimensionality curse. That’s a problem in computer dating, the more dimensions you add to the problem the less significant the correlation becomes.

Overall, the article makes no mention of what intelligence actually is. I say “Intelligence is knowing what to do when you don’t know what to do”. Standard IQ tests were originally developed to test that – but once the methods of IQ tests became known the methods became known before entering the test – so it no longer measures intelligence.

A perfect IQ test would evaluate all the following responses:

Bubblecar said:

Sounds like he might have done badly in an IQ test and is not going to let the matter rest.

I wondered if anyone would actually read it :)

I really liked The Black Swan, but was not impressed with that article at all, although I basically agree with the message.

As for your conjecture, yes I think that might well be the case.

Tamb said:

buffy said:

Tamb said:

The job often involves the ability to think & problem solve & IQ tests can indicate that ability.

I just read the link in the opening post of this thread. Have a look at it. It explains why this is not so.

Read the link. Quite biased & unscientific IMO

What do you think was unscientific?

(I’m not saying it was scientific).

I find Taleb’s writing thought provoking, humorous, and irritating.

Sometimes all three in the same sentence.

Meh. They aren’t totally useless. To be honest I’d like to do IQ tests on anyone I hire, but that’s not practical. I think it is, roughly, a good way to determine whether someone can independently find solutions.

dv said:

Meh. They aren’t totally useless. To be honest I’d like to do IQ tests on anyone I hire, but that’s not practical. I think it is, roughly, a good way to determine whether someone can independently find solutions.

This is the answer yes.

dv said:

Meh. They aren’t totally useless. To be honest I’d like to do IQ tests on anyone I hire, but that’s not practical. I think it is, roughly, a good way to determine whether someone can independently find solutions.

Not totally useless in pigeonholing the sort of character that likes to brag about high IQ scores.

dv said:

Meh. They aren’t totally useless. To be honest I’d like to do IQ tests on anyone I hire, but that’s not practical. I think it is, roughly, a good way to determine whether someone can independently find solutions.

To be fair, he didn’t actually say they were totally useless (or if he did, clearly he didn’t really mean it, since he agrees there is a reasonable correlation for people below 100 IQ).

But I do think IQ scores for high IQ people are given far more significance than they deserve, because they test a small sub-set of the things that affect intelligence, and IQ scores can be improved with training.

“ he didn’t actually say they were totally useless “

The Subject line says precisely that.

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

Meh. They aren’t totally useless. To be honest I’d like to do IQ tests on anyone I hire, but that’s not practical. I think it is, roughly, a good way to determine whether someone can independently find solutions.

Not totally useless in pigeonholing the sort of character that likes to brag about high IQ scores.

You’re not inferring Mensa I hope?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Meh. They aren’t totally useless. To be honest I’d like to do IQ tests on anyone I hire, but that’s not practical. I think it is, roughly, a good way to determine whether someone can independently find solutions.

To be fair, he didn’t actually say they were totally useless (or if he did, clearly he didn’t really mean it, since he agrees there is a reasonable correlation for people below 100 IQ).

But I do think IQ scores for high IQ people are given far more significance than they deserve, because they test a small sub-set of the things that affect intelligence, and IQ scores can be improved with training.

Fair to say that they aren’t the only useful measure of intelligence, sure.

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

dv said:

Meh. They aren’t totally useless. To be honest I’d like to do IQ tests on anyone I hire, but that’s not practical. I think it is, roughly, a good way to determine whether someone can independently find solutions.

Not totally useless in pigeonholing the sort of character that likes to brag about high IQ scores.

You’re not inferring Mensa I hope?

Implying surely?

dv said:

“ he didn’t actually say they were totally useless “

The Subject line says precisely that.

But the I wrote the subject line.

The words at the head of his article are:

“IQ is largely a pseudoscientific swindle”

which is not the same as totally useless.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

Meh. They aren’t totally useless. To be honest I’d like to do IQ tests on anyone I hire, but that’s not practical. I think it is, roughly, a good way to determine whether someone can independently find solutions.

To be fair, he didn’t actually say they were totally useless (or if he did, clearly he didn’t really mean it, since he agrees there is a reasonable correlation for people below 100 IQ).

But I do think IQ scores for high IQ people are given far more significance than they deserve, because they test a small sub-set of the things that affect intelligence, and IQ scores can be improved with training.

Fair to say that they aren’t the only useful measure of intelligence, sure.

If I remember, you are a genius according to your IQ score, which I think is proof of the OP.

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

Not totally useless in pigeonholing the sort of character that likes to brag about high IQ scores.

You’re not inferring Mensa I hope?

Implying surely?

Thank god I never claimed to belong to Mensa, otherwise I would be blushing for the week.

The Rev Dodgson said:

But the I wrote the subject line.

then my comment was directed at you!

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But the I wrote the subject line.

then my comment was directed at you!

OK, if the subject line had been intended to be an accurate summary of the linked article, it was totally useless.

OTOH, if it was intended to be simultaneously thought provoking, amusing, and irritating, in the Style of Taleb himself, I think it can claim some success.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

But the I wrote the subject line.

then my comment was directed at you!

OK, if the subject line had been intended to be an accurate summary of the linked article, it was totally useless.

OTOH, if it was intended to be simultaneously thought provoking, amusing, and irritating, in the Style of Taleb himself, I think it can claim some success.

Well then high fives all around.

I took a verbal IQ test years ago. Question was “Who wrote Faust” My answer was Gounod, and the examiner replied, Yes the Italian composer. That had me thinking about his IQ.

bucolic3401 said:

I took a verbal IQ test years ago. Question was “Who wrote Faust” My answer was Gounod, and the examiner replied, Yes the Italian composer. That had me thinking about his IQ.

There was an Irishman who applied for a job on a building site. The foreman didn’t like Irish so he gave a really hard question as a test, “What’s the difference between a girder and a joist?”
“Well,” said the Irishman, “Girder wrote Faust and Joist wrote Ulysses “.

dv said:

bucolic3401 said:

I took a verbal IQ test years ago. Question was “Who wrote Faust” My answer was Gounod, and the examiner replied, Yes the Italian composer. That had me thinking about his IQ.

There was an Irishman who applied for a job on a building site. The foreman didn’t like Irish so he gave a really hard question as a test, “What’s the difference between a girder and a joist?”
“Well,” said the Irishman, “Girder wrote Faust and Joist wrote Ulysses “.

OK mr smaty-pants, what’s a purlin then?

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

bucolic3401 said:

I took a verbal IQ test years ago. Question was “Who wrote Faust” My answer was Gounod, and the examiner replied, Yes the Italian composer. That had me thinking about his IQ.

There was an Irishman who applied for a job on a building site. The foreman didn’t like Irish so he gave a really hard question as a test, “What’s the difference between a girder and a joist?”
“Well,” said the Irishman, “Girder wrote Faust and Joist wrote Ulysses “.

OK mr smaty-pants, what’s a purlin then?

He wrote Volkswagen Blues

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

There was an Irishman who applied for a job on a building site. The foreman didn’t like Irish so he gave a really hard question as a test, “What’s the difference between a girder and a joist?”
“Well,” said the Irishman, “Girder wrote Faust and Joist wrote Ulysses “.

OK mr smaty-pants, what’s a purlin then?

He wrote Volkswagen Blues

Wrong!

He wrote Alexander’s Rag-time band.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

bucolic3401 said:

I took a verbal IQ test years ago. Question was “Who wrote Faust” My answer was Gounod, and the examiner replied, Yes the Italian composer. That had me thinking about his IQ.

There was an Irishman who applied for a job on a building site. The foreman didn’t like Irish so he gave a really hard question as a test, “What’s the difference between a girder and a joist?”
“Well,” said the Irishman, “Girder wrote Faust and Joist wrote Ulysses “.

OK mr smaty-pants, what’s a purlin then?

A purlin? That’s when you go out in a boat, and dive for oysters, and open them up and find something valuable in them.

Thats a-purlin’.

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

bucolic3401 said:

I took a verbal IQ test years ago. Question was “Who wrote Faust” My answer was Gounod, and the examiner replied, Yes the Italian composer. That had me thinking about his IQ.

There was an Irishman who applied for a job on a building site. The foreman didn’t like Irish so he gave a really hard question as a test, “What’s the difference between a girder and a joist?”
“Well,” said the Irishman, “Girder wrote Faust and Joist wrote Ulysses “.

OK mr smaty-pants, what’s a purlin then?

Don’t purloin his beam.

captain_spalding said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

dv said:

There was an Irishman who applied for a job on a building site. The foreman didn’t like Irish so he gave a really hard question as a test, “What’s the difference between a girder and a joist?”
“Well,” said the Irishman, “Girder wrote Faust and Joist wrote Ulysses “.

OK mr smaty-pants, what’s a purlin then?

A purlin? That’s when you go out in a boat, and dive for oysters, and open them up and find something valuable in them.

Thats a-purlin’.

and that’s a pearler or it would be if you said the boat was a lugger.

i laugh when i see IQ tests now

employers that make you do one are only going for the diversity tick box now so there’s no point

wookiemeister said:

i laugh when i see IQ tests now

employers that make you do one are only going for the diversity tick box now so there’s no point

I think that IQ tests are still used to decide who gets onto the managment fast-track.

I just wish they’d start taking candidates from the higher-scoring end.

wookiemeister said:

i laugh when i see IQ tests now

employers that make you do one are only going for the diversity tick box now so there’s no point

The only employer I’ve struck who asked for an IQ test, made up their own one that was closely aligned to their business, and included both general knowledge and mathematics-geometry, very different to the “pattern recognition” type most commonly seen.

No-one actually uses unmodified IQ tests for employment do they?

Certainly a lot of businesses don’t discriminate on the basis of intelligence.

captain_spalding said:

wookiemeister said:

i laugh when i see IQ tests now

employers that make you do one are only going for the diversity tick box now so there’s no point

I think that IQ tests are still used to decide who gets onto the managment fast-track.

I just wish they’d start taking candidates from the higher-scoring end.

senior management positions in gov are often political appointments

management in this country has ended

the other thing about IQ is that you can have someone that might be quite intelligent in one direction but hopelessly naive in another direction , intelligence to answer set questions on a piece of paper doesn’t always translate into real life.

i was watching something from jordan peterson mentioning that 65 percent of management is known to give zero improvement to negative consequences to the workplaces they control.

and the other thing is this, whats the point of passing all these IQ tests and doing training and study if your boss / upper management refuses to listen to any advice you have based on facts?

my present boss is telling me to break every rule in the book when it comes to testing electrically

you give up

Here’s a detailed criticism of Taleb’s piece:

http://www.unz.com/jthompson/swanning-about-fooled-by-algebra/

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

i laugh when i see IQ tests now

employers that make you do one are only going for the diversity tick box now so there’s no point

The only employer I’ve struck who asked for an IQ test, made up their own one that was closely aligned to their business, and included both general knowledge and mathematics-geometry, very different to the “pattern recognition” type most commonly seen.

No-one actually uses unmodified IQ tests for employment do they?

Certainly a lot of businesses don’t discriminate on the basis of intelligence.

when i did my test for the power authority about 1500-1600 people sat essentially a year 10 test

those under than 95% were scrapped

200 people who got higher than 95 percent were invited to an interview

of those people i think 10 or so were given the apprenticeship based on further questioning

when they were asking me about the ratio for a ladder on a wall (how far out from the wall compared to height) i didn’t have the forggiest so i asked them for a pen and drew about the angle i reckoned a ladder should sit and then told them (was right)

the real reason for the test was the tafe teachers weren’t much cop so they needed people that would be able to PASS any test regardless of the tuition.

very unright think of me, perhaps, incorrect, can I flip the idea of intelligence and say derrr, and suggest some jobs may need a lot of derrr, or specific derrrs

derrr’s not an entirely bad thing really, everyone’s got some cognitive derrr.

intelligence sounds attractive, something worth having, culture elevates it.

imagine the power of derrr though, what you don’t want to know.

larger companies are after the diversity tick now. if you were an intelligent man here you would leave for somewhere else as soon as you could.

Bubblecar said:

Here’s a detailed criticism of Taleb’s piece:

http://www.unz.com/jthompson/swanning-about-fooled-by-algebra/

I’d say the rebuttal was even less impressive than the work being rebutted.

He seems to have missed the main thrust of Taleb’s arguments.

wookiemeister said:

i laugh when i see IQ tests now

employers that make you do one are only going for the diversity tick box now so there’s no point

Until you meet a prospective employer who asks you what you think of Peter’s principle.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

i laugh when i see IQ tests now

employers that make you do one are only going for the diversity tick box now so there’s no point

Until you meet a prospective employer who asks you what you think of Peter’s principle.

you won’t get to that point anymore so it becomes irrelevant, anyone of any use aren’t in management so most companies are barely functional unless they are run by the south koreans

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

i laugh when i see IQ tests now

employers that make you do one are only going for the diversity tick box now so there’s no point

Until you meet a prospective employer who asks you what you think of Peter’s principle.

you won’t get to that point anymore so it becomes irrelevant, anyone of any use aren’t in management so most companies are barely functional unless they are run by the south koreans

I obviously was not on your planet.

I did meet a prospective employer who did actually throw that question at me.

What you are trying to tell me is that the South Koreans aren’t aware of Peter’s Principle. To which I can only call BS.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

Until you meet a prospective employer who asks you what you think of Peter’s principle.

you won’t get to that point anymore so it becomes irrelevant, anyone of any use aren’t in management so most companies are barely functional unless they are run by the south koreans

I obviously was not on your planet.

I did meet a prospective employer who did actually throw that question at me.

What you are trying to tell me is that the South Koreans aren’t aware of Peter’s Principle. To which I can only call BS.

any employer that throws you that question is trying to start an argument with you.

when i was kid i turned up this place i had seen advertised, it was some god awful printing press place.

i looked around and sat down infront of the boss, we spoke for a short time went around the workplace for me to look things over. when he sat down back in the office we spoke for a short time – then he said “you don;‘t really want this job do you?”

i said “no” and then we sat there for about an hour or so shooting the breeze over various stuff and then i left with a cheery smile. at least we were being honest with each other.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

you won’t get to that point anymore so it becomes irrelevant, anyone of any use aren’t in management so most companies are barely functional unless they are run by the south koreans

I obviously was not on your planet.

I did meet a prospective employer who did actually throw that question at me.

What you are trying to tell me is that the South Koreans aren’t aware of Peter’s Principle. To which I can only call BS.

any employer that throws you that question is trying to start an argument with you.

If you say so. His next question was, “See this lathe? How would you get it into this building to sit it there?”

wookiemeister said:

when i was kid i turned up this place i had seen advertised, it was some god awful printing press place.

i looked around and sat down infront of the boss, we spoke for a short time went around the workplace for me to look things over. when he sat down back in the office we spoke for a short time – then he said “you don;‘t really want this job do you?”

i said “no” and then we sat there for about an hour or so shooting the breeze over various stuff and then i left with a cheery smile. at least we were being honest with each other.

That actually happens more often that you would have us think.

in another place as a kid i twigged that they were secretly shipping stuff out to libya from britain, parts for tanks etc when there was an official embargo. i had been told a few years before by someone in the know that malta was a common transit point to send stuff to libya. there were to my knowledge at least two people that were “former” intelligence officers that worked at the place. i was sat between two big wigs being part of the conversation when i made a double entre that very, very, very subtly and obliquely pointed to them being up to no good as a small joke. they fell silent , turned to me , looked at each other and then retreated back to the office (where most people were not allowed). i was out in two weeks (i hated working there anyway – in those days many homosexuals were in the closet and this obviously gay man was telling people about his bonafide “wedding”, he was a handful to work with).

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

I obviously was not on your planet.

I did meet a prospective employer who did actually throw that question at me.

What you are trying to tell me is that the South Koreans aren’t aware of Peter’s Principle. To which I can only call BS.

any employer that throws you that question is trying to start an argument with you.

If you say so. His next question was, “See this lathe? How would you get it into this building to sit it there?”

thew peter principle has nothing to do with the job unless you are trying to start an argument with someone i’m afraid. next question.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

when i was kid i turned up this place i had seen advertised, it was some god awful printing press place.

i looked around and sat down infront of the boss, we spoke for a short time went around the workplace for me to look things over. when he sat down back in the office we spoke for a short time – then he said “you don;‘t really want this job do you?”

i said “no” and then we sat there for about an hour or so shooting the breeze over various stuff and then i left with a cheery smile. at least we were being honest with each other.

That actually happens more often that you would have us think.

i never said it didn’t

it was something i hadn’t even thought about for 20 years or so

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

any employer that throws you that question is trying to start an argument with you.

If you say so. His next question was, “See this lathe? How would you get it into this building to sit it there?”

thew peter principle has nothing to do with the job unless you are trying to start an argument with someone i’m afraid. next question.

Clearly you don’t believe that you could be promoted above your level of competence then?

question for rev.

would you prefer I thought of you as human, or as a learning machine, if you’d indulge me for a moment with a preference.

transition said:

question for rev.

would you prefer I thought of you as human, or as a learning machine, if you’d indulge me for a moment with a preference.

I can’t speak for the Rev but I do get your question. and that is saying something.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

If you say so. His next question was, “See this lathe? How would you get it into this building to sit it there?”

thew peter principle has nothing to do with the job unless you are trying to start an argument with someone i’m afraid. next question.

Clearly you don’t believe that you could be promoted above your level of competence then?

i don’t care anymore roughbarked everything is fucked and we have the worst management

management is a friends and family network i’m afraid

in my present position i’m basically running a small department doing various shit with no real boss over me. i fix various crap, have a chat, maybe have a sleep , eat something etc. when i first arrived the place was a frenzied basketcase with timebombs being left around by people that should have known better. actually i’ve fixed stuff that was deemed unfixable (couldn’t be bothered). now i’ve fixed the place up i’ve turned it from chaos to essentially i nice place for me to have a rest and have a nice time. i’ll park my arse here for as long as i can until the lunatics overturn the applecart again.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

thew peter principle has nothing to do with the job unless you are trying to start an argument with someone i’m afraid. next question.

Clearly you don’t believe that you could be promoted above your level of competence then?

i don’t care anymore roughbarked everything is fucked and we have the worst management

management is a friends and family network i’m afraid

in my present position i’m basically running a small department doing various shit with no real boss over me. i fix various crap, have a chat, maybe have a sleep , eat something etc. when i first arrived the place was a frenzied basketcase with timebombs being left around by people that should have known better. actually i’ve fixed stuff that was deemed unfixable (couldn’t be bothered). now i’ve fixed the place up i’ve turned it from chaos to essentially i nice place for me to have a rest and have a nice time. i’ll park my arse here for as long as i can until the lunatics overturn the applecart again.

In other words, you simply don’t want to go there?

actually talking about lathes, i’ve read you need to make sure they are installed so they are totally flat using metal shims or the lathe gets twisted out of shape over time.

wookiemeister said:

actually talking about lathes, i’ve read you need to make sure they are installed so they are totally flat using metal shims or the lathe gets twisted out of shape over time.

Cheesus wept.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

Clearly you don’t believe that you could be promoted above your level of competence then?

i don’t care anymore roughbarked everything is fucked and we have the worst management

management is a friends and family network i’m afraid

in my present position i’m basically running a small department doing various shit with no real boss over me. i fix various crap, have a chat, maybe have a sleep , eat something etc. when i first arrived the place was a frenzied basketcase with timebombs being left around by people that should have known better. actually i’ve fixed stuff that was deemed unfixable (couldn’t be bothered). now i’ve fixed the place up i’ve turned it from chaos to essentially i nice place for me to have a rest and have a nice time. i’ll park my arse here for as long as i can until the lunatics overturn the applecart again.

In other words, you simply don’t want to go there?

shrugs shoulders, no point, i know how things work

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

actually talking about lathes, i’ve read you need to make sure they are installed so they are totally flat using metal shims or the lathe gets twisted out of shape over time.

Cheesus wept.

give my regards to jebus

i’m off to read more about the film american graffiti

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

i don’t care anymore roughbarked everything is fucked and we have the worst management

management is a friends and family network i’m afraid

in my present position i’m basically running a small department doing various shit with no real boss over me. i fix various crap, have a chat, maybe have a sleep , eat something etc. when i first arrived the place was a frenzied basketcase with timebombs being left around by people that should have known better. actually i’ve fixed stuff that was deemed unfixable (couldn’t be bothered). now i’ve fixed the place up i’ve turned it from chaos to essentially i nice place for me to have a rest and have a nice time. i’ll park my arse here for as long as i can until the lunatics overturn the applecart again.

In other words, you simply don’t want to go there?

shrugs shoulders, no point, i know how things work

Boris, give wookie his handle back.

In 1995, the United States Library of Congress deemed the film “culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant” and selected it for preservation in the National Film Registry

wookiemeister said:

In 1995, the United States Library of Congress deemed the film “culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant” and selected it for preservation in the National Film Registry

Yeah but things have changed.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

In 1995, the United States Library of Congress deemed the film “culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant” and selected it for preservation in the National Film Registry

Yeah but things have changed.

bruce jenner doesn’t have a dick now ?

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

In 1995, the United States Library of Congress deemed the film “culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant” and selected it for preservation in the National Film Registry

Yeah but things have changed.

bruce jenner doesn’t have a dick now ?

I would have said, you could say that but the fact remains that you already did.

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

In 1995, the United States Library of Congress deemed the film “culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant” and selected it for preservation in the National Film Registry

Yeah but things have changed.

bruce jenner doesn’t have a dick now ?

Taake to chat. Don’t destroy the thread,, please.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-07/history-of-the-myers-briggs-personality-test-and-why-we-trust-it/10593550

transition said:

question for rev.

would you prefer I thought of you as human, or as a learning machine, if you’d indulge me for a moment with a preference.

Perhaps I should ask Roughbarked to explain the question, but my initial response is “human”, if you don’t mind.

This might interest the Rev. Lots of links to explore in the article.

>Intelligence is, to quote a largely accepted definition, “a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience.” Far from being a mere academic skill – as Nassim Taleb claimed recently – IQ is positively correlated with many important traits and life outcomes, including altruism, creativity, job performance, longevity, sense of humour, socioeconomic success, and even semen quality (see James Thompson‘s rebuttal of Taleb); it is also negatively correlated with many outcomes that most people would regard as undesirable, including accident proneness, crime and delinquency, impulsivity, infant mortality, political extremism, and prejudice towards racial minorities. (For more correlates, see A. Jensen, The g factor, Praeger, 1998, p.300 and E. Dutton & M. A. Woodley of Menie, At Our Wits’ End, Imprint Academia, 2018, p.11).

Should We Use Genetic Technology to Boost Human Intelligence?

Bubblecar said:

This might interest the Rev. Lots of links to explore in the article.

>Intelligence is, to quote a largely accepted definition, “a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience.” Far from being a mere academic skill – as Nassim Taleb claimed recently – IQ is positively correlated with many important traits and life outcomes, including altruism, creativity, job performance, longevity, sense of humour, socioeconomic success, and even semen quality (see James Thompson‘s rebuttal of Taleb); it is also negatively correlated with many outcomes that most people would regard as undesirable, including accident proneness, crime and delinquency, impulsivity, infant mortality, political extremism, and prejudice towards racial minorities. (For more correlates, see A. Jensen, The g factor, Praeger, 1998, p.300 and E. Dutton & M. A. Woodley of Menie, At Our Wits’ End, Imprint Academia, 2018, p.11).

Should We Use Genetic Technology to Boost Human Intelligence?

Thanks for that.

My instant comment:
Started off well, but went downhill rapidly. I only got half way.

TRD
(Initialed with loving care)

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

This might interest the Rev. Lots of links to explore in the article.

>Intelligence is, to quote a largely accepted definition, “a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience.” Far from being a mere academic skill – as Nassim Taleb claimed recently – IQ is positively correlated with many important traits and life outcomes, including altruism, creativity, job performance, longevity, sense of humour, socioeconomic success, and even semen quality (see James Thompson‘s rebuttal of Taleb); it is also negatively correlated with many outcomes that most people would regard as undesirable, including accident proneness, crime and delinquency, impulsivity, infant mortality, political extremism, and prejudice towards racial minorities. (For more correlates, see A. Jensen, The g factor, Praeger, 1998, p.300 and E. Dutton & M. A. Woodley of Menie, At Our Wits’ End, Imprint Academia, 2018, p.11).

Should We Use Genetic Technology to Boost Human Intelligence?

Thanks for that.

My instant comment:
Started off well, but went downhill rapidly. I only got half way.

TRD
(Initialed with loving care)

I thought it was a sensible article.

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

This might interest the Rev. Lots of links to explore in the article.

>Intelligence is, to quote a largely accepted definition, “a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience.” Far from being a mere academic skill – as Nassim Taleb claimed recently – IQ is positively correlated with many important traits and life outcomes, including altruism, creativity, job performance, longevity, sense of humour, socioeconomic success, and even semen quality (see James Thompson‘s rebuttal of Taleb); it is also negatively correlated with many outcomes that most people would regard as undesirable, including accident proneness, crime and delinquency, impulsivity, infant mortality, political extremism, and prejudice towards racial minorities. (For more correlates, see A. Jensen, The g factor, Praeger, 1998, p.300 and E. Dutton & M. A. Woodley of Menie, At Our Wits’ End, Imprint Academia, 2018, p.11).

Should We Use Genetic Technology to Boost Human Intelligence?

Thanks for that.

My instant comment:
Started off well, but went downhill rapidly. I only got half way.

TRD
(Initialed with loving care)

I thought it was a sensible article.

In some ways, but treating cherry-picked research papers as containing absolute simplistic truths puts me off.

The Rev Dodgson said:

transition said:

question for rev.

would you prefer I thought of you as human, or as a learning machine, if you’d indulge me for a moment with a preference.

Perhaps I should ask Roughbarked to explain the question, but my initial response is “human”, if you don’t mind.

I’m barlish.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Thanks for that.

My instant comment:
Started off well, but went downhill rapidly. I only got half way.

TRD
(Initialed with loving care)

I thought it was a sensible article.

In some ways, but treating cherry-picked research papers as containing absolute simplistic truths puts me off.

I wonder whether my semen is of good quality.

I remember being pressured into doing an IQ test, got my best friends ex girlfriend to do it as she claimed she was smart, snuck it out the window, she spilt coffee on it and I had to make up some lie how I went out the window to get a coffee instead of using the door like a normal person, she didn’t even do well, we tried it again but got caught, better the second time around

Bubblecar said:

This might interest the Rev. Lots of links to explore in the article.

>Intelligence is, to quote a largely accepted definition, “a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience.” Far from being a mere academic skill – as Nassim Taleb claimed recently – IQ is positively correlated with many important traits and life outcomes, including altruism, creativity, job performance, longevity, sense of humour, socioeconomic success, and even semen quality (see James Thompson‘s rebuttal of Taleb); it is also negatively correlated with many outcomes that most people would regard as undesirable, including accident proneness, crime and delinquency, impulsivity, infant mortality, political extremism, and prejudice towards racial minorities. (For more correlates, see A. Jensen, The g factor, Praeger, 1998, p.300 and E. Dutton & M. A. Woodley of Menie, At Our Wits’ End, Imprint Academia, 2018, p.11).

Should We Use Genetic Technology to Boost Human Intelligence?

Interesting.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

So you people with experience of IQ tests, tell me this. When I was in my puzzle period (early teens) I think I stopped doing them because after you’ve done a lot of them they all become rather same same. If you do a lot of IQ tests, do you get better at them? I imagine you do, as they are simply a particular way of thinking. And it can be learned. They are very culturally biassed.

Yes, those trained in IQ tests do better than those who are not.

But only to limit of about 5 points.

The cutest thing I’ve ever heard relating IQ tests was a person who got every answer wrong.

Let that sink in. Even a completely random guess gets 20 to 25% right. But this chap didn’t get a single question correct. The expression on the face of the person marking the answers must have been priceless.

He was allocated a very high IQ.

IQ is a relatively crude measure but it still has useful correlative strengths. While it’s usefulness is overhyped, that’s only in society. In a setting when an actual test was being used as an entry requirement to something, IME, it’s never been the sole arbiter of entry.

Other arbiters have included personality tests, learned knowledge, directly relevant experience, psychological assessment, and performance on simulated real-world problems.

In what way is that, “a swindle”?

Most IQ tests are 3-5 answer multiple choice.

Given only one answer on each question is the correct one, you have a much higher chance of success if you’re trying to get every answer wrong than if you’re trying to get every answer right.

Kothos said:

Most IQ tests are 3-5 answer multiple choice.

Given only one answer on each question is the correct one, you have a much higher chance of success if you’re trying to get every answer wrong than if you’re trying to get every answer right.

Yes

I did an IQ test once. Like a proper one in a university psychology lab. Scored 126, with all areas very high except for my vocabulary (I speak english apparently not so good). According to google, this is top 5th percentile, actually closer to about 4.2.

Despite that tho, I still have difficulty with rather simple things. I used to be absolutely fantastic with logic, but this week it took me 3 days to do a programming assignment in python, whereas once upon a time it would’ve taken me just a few hours back when I was using VB5, or even PHP. And I’m not sure age has much to do with it, I turn 39 next week so I’m not that old….

JTQ said:

I did an IQ test once. Like a proper one in a university psychology lab. Scored 126, with all areas very high except for my vocabulary (I speak english apparently not so good). According to google, this is top 5th percentile, actually closer to about 4.2.

Despite that tho, I still have difficulty with rather simple things. I used to be absolutely fantastic with logic, but this week it took me 3 days to do a programming assignment in python, whereas once upon a time it would’ve taken me just a few hours back when I was using VB5, or even PHP. And I’m not sure age has much to do with it, I turn 39 next week so I’m not that old….

Life situation might be a better predictor of cognitive health than age.

When I was 39 I kept wondering what this age thing was all about. I felt exactly the same as when I was 25. That same year we had kids and 2 months later I felt like I was 102. Still haven’t fully recovered.

Also where, why and how are you learning Python? I need to learn it in the next few weeks.

Kothos said:

Also where, why and how are you learning Python? I need to learn it in the next few weeks.

I’m doing a B.CompSci at UNE. But most of what they seem to be teaching can be found on youtube. Channel “Derek Banas” has some great tutorials, a lot of which “learn in 1 video” which might go for an hour or so each, but he covers everything pretty quickly with good examples. Normally I wouldn’t bother with “learn in 1 video” stuff but I ended up downloading many videos from his channel because I find them very useful, informative and well done. For finer details, check out the python girl on the Socratica channel – not only are the videos useful but she’s pretty funny too.

If only I could get a decent job with just knowledge and without a degree, I could just watch YouTube videos and get a heap of programming languages under my belt and not have to fork out thousands of dollars and 6 or so years for a degree.

Derek Banas on YouTube

Socratica on YouTube

mollwollfumble said:

The cutest thing I’ve ever heard relating IQ tests was a person who got every answer wrong.

Let that sink in. Even a completely random guess gets 20 to 25% right. But this chap didn’t get a single question correct. The expression on the face of the person marking the answers must have been priceless.

He was allocated a very high IQ.

What was I was watching the other day were they did a true/false test and got zero and the teacher said even at random you’d get 50% and gave them a 100

Ian said:

And the answer is?

Michael V said:

Ian said:

And the answer is?

I’m going for none of them.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Michael V said:

Ian said:

And the answer is?

I’m going for none of them.

That’d be a nasty twist.

Ian said:

Well, every example the top has three circles, three crosses and three triangles. LOL.

Consider.
123
456
789
Or magic square
Or rotations, reflections and wrapped translations

One of those should give a clue. If not, try mathematical operations in base 3.

That sort of stuff is easy to teach.

In the top left one the 3 symbols that touch each other (all 3) is A and O the next one in that row is X the next one in that row is XO.
On the next row it goes XO XA O
Next it’s O XA and therefor it follows that the next one is XO.

Peak Warming Man said:

In the top left one the 3 symbols that touch each other (all 3) is A and O the next one in that row is X the next one in that row is XO.
On the next row it goes XO XA O
Next it’s O XA and therefor it follows that the next one is XO.

So altogether it spells A OXO CUBE which really should be AN OXO CUBE.

Peak Warming Man said:

In the top left one the 3 symbols that touch each other (all 3) is A and O the next one in that row is X the next one in that row is XO.
On the next row it goes XO XA O
Next it’s O XA and therefor it follows that the next one is XO.

I obviously have the brain the size of a pea as I cannot make heads or tails of that explanation.

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

In the top left one the 3 symbols that touch each other (all 3) is A and O the next one in that row is X the next one in that row is XO.
On the next row it goes XO XA O
Next it’s O XA and therefor it follows that the next one is XO.

I obviously have the brain the size of a pea as I cannot make heads or tails of that explanation.

Maybe instead of touching I say draw a line through like symbols without lifting the pen.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

In the top left one the 3 symbols that touch each other (all 3) is A and O the next one in that row is X the next one in that row is XO.
On the next row it goes XO XA O
Next it’s O XA and therefor it follows that the next one is XO.

I obviously have the brain the size of a pea as I cannot make heads or tails of that explanation.

Maybe instead of touching I say draw a line through like symbols without lifting the pen.

So in the top right one you can do it with O and A but you cant do it with X……..and so on.

Peak Warming Man said:

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

I obviously have the brain the size of a pea as I cannot make heads or tails of that explanation.

Maybe instead of touching I say draw a line through like symbols without lifting the pen.

So in the top right one you can do it with O and A but you cant do it with X……..and so on.

Errr top left I mean.

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Peak Warming Man said:

In the top left one the 3 symbols that touch each other (all 3) is A and O the next one in that row is X the next one in that row is XO.
On the next row it goes XO XA O
Next it’s O XA and therefor it follows that the next one is XO.

I obviously have the brain the size of a pea as I cannot make heads or tails of that explanation.

Maybe instead of touching I say draw a line through like symbols without lifting the pen.

Yes, that is helpful :)

Bugger that doesn’t work, I’ve found a flaw.

JTQ said:

Derek Banas on YouTube

Socratica on YouTube

Thank you!!! :-) Do you think it could be learned in a few weeks? I’ll be doing my first prac for my teaching degree and it turns out I’ll be the only teacher there with computing qualifications, so they want me to develop a new programming course for the Year 7s !!!

Kothos said:

JTQ said:

Derek Banas on YouTube

Socratica on YouTube

Thank you!!! :-) Do you think it could be learned in a few weeks? I’ll be doing my first prac for my teaching degree and it turns out I’ll be the only teacher there with computing qualifications, so they want me to develop a new programming course for the Year 7s !!!

You can certainly learn the basics in a few weeks.

Especially if you already know a computer language or two.

And you read books instead of wasting time on youtube videos:)

The Rev Dodgson said:

Kothos said:

JTQ said:

Derek Banas on YouTube

Socratica on YouTube

Thank you!!! :-) Do you think it could be learned in a few weeks? I’ll be doing my first prac for my teaching degree and it turns out I’ll be the only teacher there with computing qualifications, so they want me to develop a new programming course for the Year 7s !!!

You can certainly learn the basics in a few weeks.

Especially if you already know a computer language or two.

And you read books instead of wasting time on youtube videos:)

Good to know, thanks!

I’ve formally studied/used 8 programming languages but I’m pretty rusty as I haven’t actually coded anything in years, possibly decades.

Kothos said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Kothos said:

Thank you!!! :-) Do you think it could be learned in a few weeks? I’ll be doing my first prac for my teaching degree and it turns out I’ll be the only teacher there with computing qualifications, so they want me to develop a new programming course for the Year 7s !!!

You can certainly learn the basics in a few weeks.

Especially if you already know a computer language or two.

And you read books instead of wasting time on youtube videos:)

Good to know, thanks!

I’ve formally studied/used 8 programming languages but I’m pretty rusty as I haven’t actually coded anything in years, possibly decades.

Something to watch out for:
In Python everything is an object so for instance :

a = # set up a short array (or list as they like to call it), and call it ‘a’
b = a # This doesn’t mean b has the same values as a, it means b is another name for a
a = 2 # Change a
b # also changes b

b = 4 # and changing b
a # also changes a

If you want to make a copy of an object, as a separate object, you need to use the copy function, or sometimes deepcopy.

That didn’t work very well.

Click on the Quote button if you want to see what I actually wrote.

The Rev Dodgson said:

That didn’t work very well.

Click on the Quote button if you want to see what I actually wrote.

We need to exercise our IQ rather than our clickiing finger so I’m not clicking. ;)

The Rev Dodgson said:

That didn’t work very well.

Click on the Quote button if you want to see what I actually wrote.

Cheers!

Kothos said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That didn’t work very well.

Click on the Quote button if you want to see what I actually wrote.

Cheers!

Also if you are interested in linking Python to Excel, or vice-versa, you might like to look at this jolly-interesting blog:

newtonexcelbach

The Rev Dodgson said:

Kothos said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

That didn’t work very well.

Click on the Quote button if you want to see what I actually wrote.

Cheers!

Also if you are interested in linking Python to Excel, or vice-versa, you might like to look at this jolly-interesting blog:

newtonexcelbach

Bloody Microsoft shills!

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Kothos said:

Cheers!

Also if you are interested in linking Python to Excel, or vice-versa, you might like to look at this jolly-interesting blog:

newtonexcelbach

Bloody Microsoft shills!

Only because IBM gave up on Lotus 123 though.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Also if you are interested in linking Python to Excel, or vice-versa, you might like to look at this jolly-interesting blog:

newtonexcelbach

Bloody Microsoft shills!

Only because IBM gave up on Lotus 123 though.

Oh yes. Lotus 123. Really loved it back in the day.

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bloody Microsoft shills!

Only because IBM gave up on Lotus 123 though.

Oh yes. Lotus 123. Really loved it back in the day.

it did have a certain elan…

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Only because IBM gave up on Lotus 123 though.

Oh yes. Lotus 123. Really loved it back in the day.

it did have a certain elan…

None of this juggling between Word & Excel.

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Only because IBM gave up on Lotus 123 though.

Oh yes. Lotus 123. Really loved it back in the day.

it did have a certain elan…

Elise is better.

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Only because IBM gave up on Lotus 123 though.

Oh yes. Lotus 123. Really loved it back in the day.

it did have a certain elan…

It was no dart though.

Michael V said:

Bogsnorkler said:

Tamb said:

Oh yes. Lotus 123. Really loved it back in the day.

it did have a certain elan…

Elise is better.

But not the 311