Date: 18/01/2019 03:07:42
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1331851
Subject: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Compliments of Ken Hemmes from SSSF.
>>Once an ecosystem goes into steep decline – with key species dying out and crucial interactions no longer possible – there are important consequences.
Apart from their intrinsic worth, these areas can no longer supply fish, forest resources, or carbon storage. It may affect livestock and pasture quality, tourism, and water quality and supply.
Unfortunately, the sheer number of variables – between the species and terrain in each area, and the timing and severity of extreme weather events – makes predicting ecosystem collapses essentially impossible.
Targeted interventions, like the assisted recolonisation of plants and animals, reseeding an area that’s suffered forest loss, and actively protecting vulnerable ecosystems from destructive bushfires, may prevent a system from collapsing, but at considerable financial cost. And as the interval between extreme events shorten, the chance of a successful intervention falls.
Critically, intervention plans may need to be decided upon quickly, without full understanding of the ecological and evolutionary consequences.
How much are we willing to risk failure and any unintended consequences of active intervention? How much do we value “natural” and “pristine” ecosystems that will increasingly depend on protection from threats like invasive plants and more frequent fires?
We suspect the pervasive effects of the press and pulse of climate change means that, increasingly, the risks of doing nothing may outweigh the risks of acting.
The beginning of this century has seen an unprecedented number of widespread, catastrophic biological transformations in response to extreme weather events.
This constellation of unpredictable and sudden biological responses suggests that many seemingly healthy and undisturbed ecosystems are at a tipping point.<<
https://theconversation.com/amp/ecosystems-across-australia-are-collapsing-under-climate-change-99367?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitterbutton&__twitter_impression=true
Date: 18/01/2019 03:48:15
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1331863
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Just thought I’d let you know. Fingers crossed, from today I’ll have full access to the Fortran source code of the Australian Global Climate Model, called CABLE.
I have been having problems getting access (my fault) because they only accepted an email from a University (or similar) and I had missed the RMIT email changeover from Google to Microsoft.
Date: 18/01/2019 06:36:13
From: roughbarked
ID: 1331871
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
PermeateFree said:
Compliments of Ken Hemmes from SSSF.
>>Once an ecosystem goes into steep decline – with key species dying out and crucial interactions no longer possible – there are important consequences.
Apart from their intrinsic worth, these areas can no longer supply fish, forest resources, or carbon storage. It may affect livestock and pasture quality, tourism, and water quality and supply.
Unfortunately, the sheer number of variables – between the species and terrain in each area, and the timing and severity of extreme weather events – makes predicting ecosystem collapses essentially impossible.
Targeted interventions, like the assisted recolonisation of plants and animals, reseeding an area that’s suffered forest loss, and actively protecting vulnerable ecosystems from destructive bushfires, may prevent a system from collapsing, but at considerable financial cost. And as the interval between extreme events shorten, the chance of a successful intervention falls.
Critically, intervention plans may need to be decided upon quickly, without full understanding of the ecological and evolutionary consequences.
How much are we willing to risk failure and any unintended consequences of active intervention? How much do we value “natural” and “pristine” ecosystems that will increasingly depend on protection from threats like invasive plants and more frequent fires?
We suspect the pervasive effects of the press and pulse of climate change means that, increasingly, the risks of doing nothing may outweigh the risks of acting.
The beginning of this century has seen an unprecedented number of widespread, catastrophic biological transformations in response to extreme weather events.
This constellation of unpredictable and sudden biological responses suggests that many seemingly healthy and undisturbed ecosystems are at a tipping point.<<
https://theconversation.com/amp/ecosystems-across-australia-are-collapsing-under-climate-change-99367?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitterbutton&__twitter_impression=true
Jeez, this has been going on at least for the past 35 years at least where the signs abounded everywhere. Our common problem is that though we are all smart, we don’t bother to act until the fire reaches the ceiling.
Date: 18/01/2019 08:02:43
From: Kothos
ID: 1331886
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
LOL @ “although we are smart”.
Date: 18/01/2019 08:03:48
From: roughbarked
ID: 1331889
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Kothos said:
LOL @ “although we are smart”.
We think we are smart? ;)
Date: 18/01/2019 09:23:14
From: Kothos
ID: 1331906
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
roughbarked said:
Kothos said:
LOL @ “although we are smart”.
We think we are smart? ;)
Yeah I’d agree with that.
Date: 18/01/2019 09:29:13
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1331907
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Kothos said:
roughbarked said:
Kothos said:
LOL @ “although we are smart”.
We think we are smart? ;)
Yeah I’d agree with that.
we are.
Date: 18/01/2019 11:15:18
From: Cymek
ID: 1331917
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Compliments of Ken Hemmes from SSSF.
>>Once an ecosystem goes into steep decline – with key species dying out and crucial interactions no longer possible – there are important consequences.
Apart from their intrinsic worth, these areas can no longer supply fish, forest resources, or carbon storage. It may affect livestock and pasture quality, tourism, and water quality and supply.
Unfortunately, the sheer number of variables – between the species and terrain in each area, and the timing and severity of extreme weather events – makes predicting ecosystem collapses essentially impossible.
Targeted interventions, like the assisted recolonisation of plants and animals, reseeding an area that’s suffered forest loss, and actively protecting vulnerable ecosystems from destructive bushfires, may prevent a system from collapsing, but at considerable financial cost. And as the interval between extreme events shorten, the chance of a successful intervention falls.
Critically, intervention plans may need to be decided upon quickly, without full understanding of the ecological and evolutionary consequences.
How much are we willing to risk failure and any unintended consequences of active intervention? How much do we value “natural” and “pristine” ecosystems that will increasingly depend on protection from threats like invasive plants and more frequent fires?
We suspect the pervasive effects of the press and pulse of climate change means that, increasingly, the risks of doing nothing may outweigh the risks of acting.
The beginning of this century has seen an unprecedented number of widespread, catastrophic biological transformations in response to extreme weather events.
This constellation of unpredictable and sudden biological responses suggests that many seemingly healthy and undisturbed ecosystems are at a tipping point.<<
https://theconversation.com/amp/ecosystems-across-australia-are-collapsing-under-climate-change-99367?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitterbutton&__twitter_impression=true
Jeez, this has been going on at least for the past 35 years at least where the signs abounded everywhere. Our common problem is that though we are all smart, we don’t bother to act until the fire reaches the ceiling.
Do the smart people get much of a say or does profit rule the day until its too late.
What should be done will never get done
Date: 18/01/2019 11:26:14
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1331924
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
https://imb.uq.edu.au/canetoadchallenge
Date: 18/01/2019 11:26:59
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1331925
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
PermeateFree said:
Compliments of Ken Hemmes from SSSF.
>>Once an ecosystem goes into steep decline – with key species dying out and crucial interactions no longer possible – there are important consequences.
Apart from their intrinsic worth, these areas can no longer supply fish, forest resources, or carbon storage. It may affect livestock and pasture quality, tourism, and water quality and supply.
Unfortunately, the sheer number of variables – between the species and terrain in each area, and the timing and severity of extreme weather events – makes predicting ecosystem collapses essentially impossible.
Targeted interventions, like the assisted recolonisation of plants and animals, reseeding an area that’s suffered forest loss, and actively protecting vulnerable ecosystems from destructive bushfires, may prevent a system from collapsing, but at considerable financial cost. And as the interval between extreme events shorten, the chance of a successful intervention falls.
Critically, intervention plans may need to be decided upon quickly, without full understanding of the ecological and evolutionary consequences.
How much are we willing to risk failure and any unintended consequences of active intervention? How much do we value “natural” and “pristine” ecosystems that will increasingly depend on protection from threats like invasive plants and more frequent fires?
We suspect the pervasive effects of the press and pulse of climate change means that, increasingly, the risks of doing nothing may outweigh the risks of acting.
The beginning of this century has seen an unprecedented number of widespread, catastrophic biological transformations in response to extreme weather events.
This constellation of unpredictable and sudden biological responses suggests that many seemingly healthy and undisturbed ecosystems are at a tipping point.<<
https://theconversation.com/amp/ecosystems-across-australia-are-collapsing-under-climate-change-99367?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitterbutton&__twitter_impression=true
Jeez, this has been going on at least for the past 35 years at least where the signs abounded everywhere. Our common problem is that though we are all smart, we don’t bother to act until the fire reaches the ceiling.
Do the smart people get much of a say or does profit rule the day until its too late.
What should be done will never get done
The problem is that it is in politicians’ interests to hide costs, and future costs are easy to hide.
The solution is to have independent news and discussion media who are active in revealing hidden costs, especially future ones.
And the problem with the solution is that the media are concentrated in one company, controlled by one man, who chooses to aid the politicians in hiding costs, and most of the rest do next to nothing about it.
What the solution to that problem is, I don’t know.
Date: 18/01/2019 11:41:37
From: Ian
ID: 1331929
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
And the problem with the solution is that the media are concentrated in one company, controlled by one man,
—
Someone should blow Murdoch up!
Date: 18/01/2019 11:46:25
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1331930
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Ian said:
And the problem with the solution is that the media are concentrated in one company, controlled by one man,
—
Someone should blow Murdoch up!
Drone pilot > Oops
Date: 18/01/2019 11:52:15
From: Cymek
ID: 1331932
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
I imagine another problem is many solutions require sacrifices undertaken by generations of people most of whom are young or not even born and had nothing or very little to do with the causing the current situation. Those most to blame have had it pretty for most of their lives and will leave behind a world not better for the subsequent generations. I suppose you teach them from the onset what needs to be done and they will think of it as normal even if that are resentful
Date: 18/01/2019 11:56:22
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1331934
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Ian said:
And the problem with the solution is that the media are concentrated in one company, controlled by one man,
—
Someone should blow Murdoch up!
Murdoch’s OK. Someone should blow Packer up!
Date: 18/01/2019 11:58:56
From: Cymek
ID: 1331935
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
mollwollfumble said:
Ian said:
And the problem with the solution is that the media are concentrated in one company, controlled by one man,
—
Someone should blow Murdoch up!
Murdoch’s OK. Someone should blow Packer up!
He’s a bit of fucktard, gambling to make money may as well branch out into weapons
Date: 18/01/2019 12:05:02
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1331936
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
mollwollfumble said:
Ian said:
And the problem with the solution is that the media are concentrated in one company, controlled by one man,
—
Someone should blow Murdoch up!
Murdoch’s OK. Someone should blow Packer up!
Blow them both up at the same time with two synchronized explosions!
But if we’re going to that level, might as well add more to the list and have a few thousand synchronized explosions.
Then fireworks in celebration!
Date: 18/01/2019 12:11:39
From: Cymek
ID: 1331938
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Tau.Neutrino said:
mollwollfumble said:
Ian said:
And the problem with the solution is that the media are concentrated in one company, controlled by one man,
—
Someone should blow Murdoch up!
Murdoch’s OK. Someone should blow Packer up!
Blow them both up at the same time with two synchronized explosions!
But if we’re going to that level, might as well add more to the list and have a few thousand synchronized explosions.
Then fireworks in celebration!
Need a Death Note type book, would be interesting to see what would happen to the world if you could write a name in a book and they died.
Date: 18/01/2019 12:14:27
From: Ian
ID: 1331940
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
mollwollfumble said:
Ian said:
And the problem with the solution is that the media are concentrated in one company, controlled by one man,
—
Someone should blow Murdoch up!
Murdoch’s OK. Someone should blow Packer up!
Mudoch is a cancer on the Australian democracy.
.
Packer?
madness
Date: 18/01/2019 12:19:58
From: Dropbear
ID: 1331942
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
mollwollfumble said:
Murdoch’s OK.
ummm
Date: 18/01/2019 12:21:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1331944
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Ian said:
mollwollfumble said:
Ian said:
And the problem with the solution is that the media are concentrated in one company, controlled by one man,
—
Someone should blow Murdoch up!
Murdoch’s OK. Someone should blow Packer up!
Mudoch is a cancer on the Australian democracy.
.
Packer?
madness
Packer is an arsehole and so is Murdoch, Trump , Clive Palmer.. .Tony Abbott, Pauline Hanson, Fred Nile, any dictator and Putin, any corrupt government officials, environmental vandals, all arseholes.
With so many arseholes on the planet, there’s not enough toilet paper to clean up all their mess.
Date: 18/01/2019 12:24:56
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1331946
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Dropbear said:
mollwollfumble said:
Murdoch’s OK.
ummm
yeah, deluded.
Date: 18/01/2019 12:25:59
From: party_pants
ID: 1331947
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ian said:
mollwollfumble said:
Murdoch’s OK. Someone should blow Packer up!
Mudoch is a cancer on the Australian democracy.
.
Packer?
madness
Packer is an arsehole and so is Murdoch, Trump , Clive Palmer.. .Tony Abbott, Pauline Hanson, Fred Nile, any dictator and Putin, any corrupt government officials, environmental vandals, all arseholes.
With so many arseholes on the planet, there’s not enough toilet paper to clean up all their mess.
I’d have a beer with Putin.
Date: 18/01/2019 12:26:10
From: Cymek
ID: 1331948
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Bogsnorkler said:
Dropbear said:
mollwollfumble said:
Murdoch’s OK.
ummm
yeah, deluded.
The fact you’d want a media empire means you can’t be trusted, why else except to manipulate the population into doing what you want and not finding out the truth
Date: 18/01/2019 12:28:24
From: furious
ID: 1331949
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Bogsnorkler said:
Dropbear said:
mollwollfumble said:
Murdoch’s OK.
ummm
yeah, deluded.
Date: 18/01/2019 12:28:24
From: Cymek
ID: 1331950
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Ian said:
Mudoch is a cancer on the Australian democracy.
.
Packer?
madness
Packer is an arsehole and so is Murdoch, Trump , Clive Palmer.. .Tony Abbott, Pauline Hanson, Fred Nile, any dictator and Putin, any corrupt government officials, environmental vandals, all arseholes.
With so many arseholes on the planet, there’s not enough toilet paper to clean up all their mess.
I’d have a beer with Putin.
If you had ten he might take his shirt off and pose for you “You like big strong Russian president, I ride horse for you
Date: 18/01/2019 12:30:13
From: party_pants
ID: 1331951
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Cymek said:
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Packer is an arsehole and so is Murdoch, Trump , Clive Palmer.. .Tony Abbott, Pauline Hanson, Fred Nile, any dictator and Putin, any corrupt government officials, environmental vandals, all arseholes.
With so many arseholes on the planet, there’s not enough toilet paper to clean up all their mess.
I’d have a beer with Putin.
If you had ten he might take his shirt off and pose for you “You like big strong Russian president, I ride horse for you
“we drink in moderation
we never ever get rolling drunk”
Date: 18/01/2019 12:38:07
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1331954
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Hating Murdoch is a right of passage thing for leftist wingnuts.
“I swear to hate Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors with all my heart and all my soul so help me Gaia” standard entry fair for most socialists collectives.
Date: 18/01/2019 12:39:32
From: Cymek
ID: 1331956
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Peak Warming Man said:
Hating Murdoch is a right of passage thing for leftist wingnuts.
“I swear to hate Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors with all my heart and all my soul so help me Gaia” standard entry fair for most socialists collectives.
Do you like or even trust media moguls ?
Date: 18/01/2019 12:39:38
From: party_pants
ID: 1331957
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Peak Warming Man said:
Hating Murdoch is a right of passage thing for leftist wingnuts.
“I swear to hate Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors with all my heart and all my soul so help me Gaia” standard entry fair for most socialists collectives.
They’re the professionals. Lots of normal people hate him too just as a hobby.
Date: 18/01/2019 12:56:39
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1331966
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Peak Warming Man said:
Hating Murdoch is a right of passage thing for leftist wingnuts.
“I swear to hate Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors with all my heart and all my soul so help me Gaia” standard entry fair for most socialists collectives.
Loving Murdoch is a right of passage thing for rightist wingnuts.
“I swear to love Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors. And lick his arse with all my soul.” standard entry fair for most Fascists .
Date: 18/01/2019 12:59:31
From: furious
ID: 1331967
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Hating Murdoch is a right of passage thing for leftist wingnuts.
“I swear to hate Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors with all my heart and all my soul so help me Gaia” standard entry fair for most socialists collectives.
Loving Murdoch is a right of passage thing for rightist wingnuts.
“I swear to love Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors. And lick his arse with all my soul.” standard entry fair for most Fascists .
What if you were indifferent to Murdoch? Where does that put you along the fascist/socialist spectrum?
Date: 18/01/2019 13:02:03
From: Bogsnorkler
ID: 1331968
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
furious said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Hating Murdoch is a right of passage thing for leftist wingnuts.
“I swear to hate Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors with all my heart and all my soul so help me Gaia” standard entry fair for most socialists collectives.
Loving Murdoch is a right of passage thing for rightist wingnuts.
“I swear to love Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors. And lick his arse with all my soul.” standard entry fair for most Fascists .
What if you were indifferent to Murdoch? Where does that put you along the fascist/socialist spectrum?
you’re either with us or agin us, chose wisely. there’ll be a test later.
Date: 18/01/2019 13:06:58
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1331969
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Hating Murdoch is a right of passage thing for leftist wingnuts.
“I swear to hate Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors with all my heart and all my soul so help me Gaia” standard entry fair for most socialists collectives.
Do you like or even trust media moguls ?
Murdoch and the phone tapping
No way would you trust that.
Date: 18/01/2019 13:07:52
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1331970
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Hating Murdoch is a right of passage thing for leftist wingnuts.
“I swear to hate Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors with all my heart and all my soul so help me Gaia” standard entry fair for most socialists collectives.
Loving Murdoch is a right of passage thing for rightist wingnuts.
“I swear to love Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors. And lick his arse with all my soul.” standard entry fair for most Fascists .
How to get to be in government without kissing Rupert’s feet whether right or left.
Date: 18/01/2019 13:08:45
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1331971
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Peak Warming Man said:
Hating Murdoch is a right of passage thing for leftist wingnuts.
“I swear to hate Rupert Murdoch, his heirs and successors with all my heart and all my soul so help me Gaia” standard entry fair for most socialists collectives.
Do you like or even trust media moguls ?
Murdoch and the phone tapping
No way would you trust that.
Gillard has this problem.
Date: 18/01/2019 13:10:45
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1331972
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
Wonders if there is a way to track all the serial numbers of weapons Parker sells, see how many people those weapons kill.
Date: 18/01/2019 13:45:22
From: sarahs mum
ID: 1331981
Subject: re: Ecosystems across Australia are collapsing under climate change
sarahs mum said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Do you like or even trust media moguls ?
Murdoch and the phone tapping
No way would you trust that.
Gillard has this problem.
had.