Date: 20/01/2019 23:29:48
From: dv
ID: 1333042
Subject: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

The space agencies of the United States and China are in touch and coordinating efforts on Moon exploration, NASA said Friday as it navigates a strict legal framework aimed at preventing technology transfer to China.

“With the required approval from Congress, NASA has been in discussions with China to explore the possibility of observing a signature of the landing plume of their lunar lander, Chang’e 4, using our @NASAMoon spacecraft’s instrument,” NASA’s associate administrator for the science mission directorate, Thomas Zurbuchen, said on Twitter.

Zurbuchen’s tweet confirmed a similar statement made Monday by the deputy chief commander of China Lunar Exploration Program, Wu Yanhua.

NASA shared information from a US satellite while China told the Americans about the latitude, longitude and time of the landing “in a timely manner,” he said.

The hope was that NASA’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) could observe the historic touchdown of the Chinese lander on January 3.

NASA provided the planned orbit path of LRO to China, but it turned out the spacecraft was not in the right place at the right time.

“For a number of reasons, NASA was not able to phase LRO’s orbit to be at the optimal location during the landing, however NASA was still interested in possibly detecting the plume well after the landing,” the agency said in a statement.

“Science gathered about how lunar dust is ejected upwards during a spacecraft’s landing could inform future missions and how they arrive on the lunar surface.”

Such observations could help astronauts prepare for future missions to the Moon.

NASA’s lunar orbiter will pass over the Chang’e 4 landing site on January 31 and will snap pictures, as it did for the Chang’e 3 in 2013.

The agency said significant findings resulting from the cooperation would be shared with the global research community in February at a United Nations space gathering in Austria.

Since 2011, the US Congress has barred NASA or the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy from using federal funds “to develop, design, plan, promulgate, implement or execute a bilateral policy, program, order, or contract of any kind to participate, collaborate, or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China or any Chinese-owned company.”

Exceptions are possible, but NASA must convince Congress and the FBI that the activity would “pose no risk of resulting in the transfer of technology, data, or other information with national security or economic security implications to China or a Chinese-owned company.”

NASA said in its Friday statement that “all NASA data associated with this activity are publicly available” and “NASA’s cooperation with China is transparent, reciprocal and mutually beneficial.”

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/nasa-china-collaborate-moon-mission-172852767.html

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Date: 20/01/2019 23:31:56
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1333046
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

NASA could ask them nicely to stop adding too much yellow in their pictures of the lunar surface.

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Date: 20/01/2019 23:41:16
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1333054
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

in fairness NASA seem to cover plenty of probes and helmets in yellow stuff themselves

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Date: 21/01/2019 05:31:29
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1333125
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

It figures.

USA legislation prevents NASA from cooperating with CNSA in creating spacecraft or doing anything to help the mission succeed.

But of course, the USA is happy to grab everything it can from a successful operation.

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Date: 21/01/2019 09:05:22
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1333160
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

Negotiations as to where they put the border, and who pays for the wall, should be interesting.

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Date: 21/01/2019 11:37:45
From: Cymek
ID: 1333223
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

Bubblecar said:


NASA could ask them nicely to stop adding too much yellow in their pictures of the lunar surface.

I agree it could be a bit of a peril

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Date: 21/01/2019 16:13:37
From: dv
ID: 1333343
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

Cymek said:


Bubblecar said:

NASA could ask them nicely to stop adding too much yellow in their pictures of the lunar surface.

I agree it could be a bit of a peril

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Date: 21/01/2019 16:25:06
From: Tamb
ID: 1333346
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

dv said:


Cymek said:

Bubblecar said:

NASA could ask them nicely to stop adding too much yellow in their pictures of the lunar surface.

I agree it could be a bit of a peril

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Clever: For we older Aussies.

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Date: 21/01/2019 16:43:41
From: roughbarked
ID: 1333351
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

The wall coould come crashing down around their ears

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:25:34
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1333369
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

roughbarked said:


The wall coould come crashing down around their ears

If China has a great Wall of debt, and the USA is heavily in debt to China, all South America and Africa is in debt, ditto all Europe and all the former USSR has a huge amount of debt …

Then where’s all this money coming from? Canada?

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:31:30
From: Cymek
ID: 1333376
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

The wall coould come crashing down around their ears

If China has a great Wall of debt, and the USA is heavily in debt to China, all South America and Africa is in debt, ditto all Europe and all the former USSR has a huge amount of debt …

Then where’s all this money coming from? Canada?

You do wonder who holds all the debt and what happens if its called in.
Seems a rather stupid way to run a nation but everyone is doing it

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:32:55
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1333378
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

The wall coould come crashing down around their ears

If China has a great Wall of debt, and the USA is heavily in debt to China, all South America and Africa is in debt, ditto all Europe and all the former USSR has a huge amount of debt …

Then where’s all this money coming from? Canada?

Funded by Aliens from the Central Galaxy Bank

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:35:14
From: dv
ID: 1333380
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

The wall coould come crashing down around their ears

If China has a great Wall of debt, and the USA is heavily in debt to China, all South America and Africa is in debt, ditto all Europe and all the former USSR has a huge amount of debt …

Then where’s all this money coming from? Canada?

Financial institutions

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:36:00
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1333381
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

Cymek said:


mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

The wall coould come crashing down around their ears

If China has a great Wall of debt, and the USA is heavily in debt to China, all South America and Africa is in debt, ditto all Europe and all the former USSR has a huge amount of debt …

Then where’s all this money coming from? Canada?

You do wonder who holds all the debt and what happens if its called in.
Seems a rather stupid way to run a nation but everyone is doing it

It’s a double edged sword though, China can’t call it in, and moreover has a vested interest in maintaining relations to a degree that it will be paid.

One of the American financial crisis under Obama was the possibility that Bonds due would not be paid on time, if that happened it would cripple countries and rock financial assumptions.

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:37:20
From: dv
ID: 1333384
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

It might be enough to make China flirt with communism

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:38:15
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 1333387
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

Chinese debt is owed to Chinese citizens themselves and is funded by their high rate of savings.

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:45:35
From: Cymek
ID: 1333388
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

If all this money is owed to various financial institutes and it must be tens of trillions then it makes you wonder who is pulling the strings.
It seems ludicrous for entire nations to be in so much debt and they get deeper and deeper in debt each year and this is how the world works.
Could you actually threaten these financial institutes to erase that debt or face military action

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:55:05
From: poikilotherm
ID: 1333389
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

Witty Rejoinder said:


Chinese debt is owed to Chinese citizens themselves and is funded by their high rate of savings.

Sure, but they (citizen savers) don’t exist apparently.

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Date: 21/01/2019 17:59:01
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1333394
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

poikilotherm said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Chinese debt is owed to Chinese citizens themselves and is funded by their high rate of savings.

Sure, but they (citizen savers) don’t exist apparently.

They probably exist, they are the ones buying property in Australia as a security against the Chinese govt seizing assets.

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Date: 21/01/2019 18:01:06
From: Cymek
ID: 1333395
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

AwesomeO said:


poikilotherm said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Chinese debt is owed to Chinese citizens themselves and is funded by their high rate of savings.

Sure, but they (citizen savers) don’t exist apparently.

They probably exist, they are the ones buying property in Australia as a security against the Chinese govt seizing assets.

If you own property in another country does that mean you are allowed to stay long term

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Date: 24/01/2019 21:24:42
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1335205
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

More on the plants and fruit flies on the Moon.

Everything grew very well for the duration of the experiment – 200 hours.

After that time, the experiment has finished so the heating was switched off, with obvious consequences.

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Date: 24/01/2019 21:27:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1335206
Subject: re: NASA, Chinese space agency to cooperate on lunar exploration

mollwollfumble said:


More on the plants and fruit flies on the Moon.

Everything grew very well for the duration of the experiment – 200 hours.

After that time, the experiment has finished so the heating was switched off, with obvious consequences.

Yes, the lighting wouldn’t be anywhere near the problem the heating would be.

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