This one is a very interesting plant.

Tastes like a mintbush.

roughbarked said:

This one is a very interesting plant.

Tastes like a mintbush.

You need to photo it so that we can get some idea of it’s proportions.
The best way is to photograph it with a Readhead Matchbox on Sydney Harbour.

roughbarked said:

This one is a very interesting plant.

Tastes like a mintbush.

Looks like a dry climate plant, but I’m no expert

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

This one is a very interesting plant.

Tastes like a mintbush.

You need to photo it so that we can get some idea of it’s proportions.
The best way is to photograph it with a Readhead Matchbox on Sydney Harbour.

Or next to a can of VB

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

This one is a very interesting plant.

Tastes like a mintbush.

You need to photo it so that we can get some idea of it’s proportions.
The best way is to photograph it with a Readhead Matchbox on Sydney Harbour.

Morphologically the biggest bush was 1×1×1m.

Zeppelin said:

roughbarked said:

This one is a very interesting plant.

Tastes like a mintbush.

Looks like a dry climate plant, but I’m no expert

heh.

Zeppelin said:

Peak Warming Man said:

roughbarked said:

This one is a very interesting plant.

Tastes like a mintbush.

You need to photo it so that we can get some idea of it’s proportions.
The best way is to photograph it with a Readhead Matchbox on Sydney Harbour.

Or next to a can of VB

Those leaves are 2 to 3mm long.

roughbarked said:

Zeppelin said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You need to photo it so that we can get some idea of it’s proportions.
The best way is to photograph it with a Readhead Matchbox on Sydney Harbour.

Or next to a can of VB

Those leaves are 2 to 3mm long.

mm or cm ?

Zeppelin said:

roughbarked said:

Zeppelin said:

Or next to a can of VB

Those leaves are 2 to 3mm long.

mm or cm ?

can’t you read?

roughbarked said:

Zeppelin said:

roughbarked said:

Those leaves are 2 to 3mm long.

mm or cm ?

can’t you read?

No.

Zeppelin said:

roughbarked said:

Zeppelin said:

mm or cm ?

can’t you read?

No.

OK, well the could be up to 4 or 5 millimetres at best. Most are about 3mm.

roughbarked said:

Zeppelin said:

roughbarked said:

can’t you read?

No.

OK, well the could be up to 4 or 5 millimetres at best. Most are about 3mm.

roughbarked said:

Zeppelin said:

roughbarked said:

can’t you read?

No.

OK, well the could be up to 4 or 5 millimetres at best. Most are about 3mm.

Wow, smaller than I thought going by the photo. Thats where the VB would come in handy.
What’s the plants name, they use in the nursery?

Great photography by the way.

Zeppelin said:

roughbarked said:

Zeppelin said:

No.

OK, well the could be up to 4 or 5 millimetres at best. Most are about 3mm.

Wow, smaller than I thought going by the photo. Thats where the VB would come in handy.
What’s the plants name, they use in the nursery?

Great photography by the way.

Thanks. I believe that it is most likely Laminaceae ~ Prostanthera but I’m yet to find a description.

Hang on. name=Prostanthera~serpyllifolia~subsp.+microphylla

roughbarked said:

Zeppelin said:

roughbarked said:

OK, well the could be up to 4 or 5 millimetres at best. Most are about 3mm.

Wow, smaller than I thought going by the photo. Thats where the VB would come in handy.
What’s the plants name, they use in the nursery?

Great photography by the way.

Thanks. I believe that it is most likely Laminaceae ~ Prostanthera but I’m yet to find a description.

Hang on. name=Prostanthera~serpyllifolia~subsp.+microphylla

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Zeppelin said:

Wow, smaller than I thought going by the photo. Thats where the VB would come in handy.
What’s the plants name, they use in the nursery?

Great photography by the way.

Thanks. I believe that it is most likely Laminaceae ~ Prostanthera but I’m yet to find a description.

Hang on. name=Prostanthera~serpyllifolia~subsp.+microphylla

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Thanks. I believe that it is most likely Laminaceae ~ Prostanthera but I’m yet to find a description.

Hang on. name=Prostanthera~serpyllifolia~subsp.+microphylla

In effect, Prostanthera serpyllifolia has leaves up to 10mm. Prostanthera serpyllifolia subsp microphylla leaves are 3mm.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

In effect, Prostanthera serpyllifolia has leaves up to 10mm. Prostanthera serpyllifolia subsp microphylla leaves are 3mm.

Scratch that. They are probably both 3mm.

From PF’s page.

http://esperancewildflowers.blogspot.com/2011/03/prostanthera-serpyllifolia-subsp_26.html

Leaves look different.

buffy said:

From PF’s page.

http://esperancewildflowers.blogspot.com/2011/03/prostanthera-serpyllifolia-subsp_26.html

Leaves look different.

Yep. Subsp. microphylla does not grow in SA or WA.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

From PF’s page.

http://esperancewildflowers.blogspot.com/2011/03/prostanthera-serpyllifolia-subsp_26.html

Leaves look different.

Yep. Subsp. microphylla does not grow occur in SA or WA.

:)

The species name means with leaves similar to Thymus serpyllum hence the common name of Thyme- leaved mintbush. Although the accepted common name is small leaf mintbush.. Though it is not shown as such on the rbgsyd map I linked. I recall now also having found this plant in the White Cliffs region.

That picture is microphylla. And it’s from Esperence.

?

buffy said:

That picture is microphylla. And it’s from Esperence.

?

hmm.
I’ll have to wait until the end of winter to get photos of flowers.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

That picture is microphylla. And it’s from Esperence.

?

hmm.
I’ll have to wait until the end of winter to get photos of flowers.

From WIKI: Two varieties are recognised:

P. serpyllifolia subsp. microphylla (R.Br.) B.J.Conn – New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia. P. serpyllifolia (R.Br.) Briq. subsp. serpyllifolia – South Australia and Western Australia

So yeah.. but G.M Cunningham, W.E Mullham, P.L. Milthorpe,, J.H. Leigh of Plants of Western NSW, list the grey flowered form and call it Prostanthera microphylla..

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

That picture is microphylla. And it’s from Esperence.

?

hmm.
I’ll have to wait until the end of winter to get photos of flowers.

From WIKI: Two varieties are recognised:

P. serpyllifolia subsp. microphylla (R.Br.) B.J.Conn – New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia. P. serpyllifolia (R.Br.) Briq. subsp. serpyllifolia – South Australia and Western Australia

So yeah.. but G.M Cunningham, W.E Mullham, P.L. Milthorpe,, J.H. Leigh of Plants of Western NSW, list the grey flowered form and call it Prostanthera microphylla..

It looks like Rutaceae to me and likely Philotheca difformis subsp. difformis. The leaves of this species are highly variable, but to give you a better idea, it was previously known as Philotheca rhomboidea, which has now been reclassified to represent an endemic WA species, but was initially thought to be very similar. Fortunately I have detailed this species in Esperance Wildflowers with a good photo of its foliage, which is shown below.

http://esperancewildflowers.blogspot.com/2012/07/philotheca-rhomboidea-rutaceae.html

> Tastes like a mintbush.

That’s what I like to see, identifying plants by taste.
We should do it more often.

mollwollfumble said:

> Tastes like a mintbush.

That’s what I like to see, identifying plants by taste.
We should do it more often.

I eated the berries. It tastes like… burning.

btm said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Tastes like a mintbush.

That’s what I like to see, identifying plants by taste.
We should do it more often.

I eated the berries. It tastes like… burning.

Mmmmm. Peppers.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

hmm.
I’ll have to wait until the end of winter to get photos of flowers.

From WIKI: Two varieties are recognised:

P. serpyllifolia subsp. microphylla (R.Br.) B.J.Conn – New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia. P. serpyllifolia (R.Br.) Briq. subsp. serpyllifolia – South Australia and Western Australia

So yeah.. but G.M Cunningham, W.E Mullham, P.L. Milthorpe,, J.H. Leigh of Plants of Western NSW, list the grey flowered form and call it Prostanthera microphylla..

It looks like Rutaceae to me and likely Philotheca difformis subsp. difformis. The leaves of this species are highly variable, but to give you a better idea, it was previously known as Philotheca rhomboidea, which has now been reclassified to represent an endemic WA species, but was initially thought to be very similar. Fortunately I have detailed this species in Esperance Wildflowers with a good photo of its foliage, which is shown below.

http://esperancewildflowers.blogspot.com/2012/07/philotheca-rhomboidea-rutaceae.html

OK but if it is going to be Rutaceae, then it cannot be Philotheca but instead Phebalium.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

From WIKI: Two varieties are recognised:

P. serpyllifolia subsp. microphylla (R.Br.) B.J.Conn – New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia. P. serpyllifolia (R.Br.) Briq. subsp. serpyllifolia – South Australia and Western Australia

So yeah.. but G.M Cunningham, W.E Mullham, P.L. Milthorpe,, J.H. Leigh of Plants of Western NSW, list the grey flowered form and call it Prostanthera microphylla..

It looks like Rutaceae to me and likely Philotheca difformis subsp. difformis. The leaves of this species are highly variable, but to give you a better idea, it was previously known as Philotheca rhomboidea, which has now been reclassified to represent an endemic WA species, but was initially thought to be very similar. Fortunately I have detailed this species in Esperance Wildflowers with a good photo of its foliage, which is shown below.

http://esperancewildflowers.blogspot.com/2012/07/philotheca-rhomboidea-rutaceae.html

OK but if it is going to be Rutaceae, then it cannot be Philotheca but instead Phebalium.

What makes you say that?

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

It looks like Rutaceae to me and likely Philotheca difformis subsp. difformis. The leaves of this species are highly variable, but to give you a better idea, it was previously known as Philotheca rhomboidea, which has now been reclassified to represent an endemic WA species, but was initially thought to be very similar. Fortunately I have detailed this species in Esperance Wildflowers with a good photo of its foliage, which is shown below.

http://esperancewildflowers.blogspot.com/2012/07/philotheca-rhomboidea-rutaceae.html

OK but if it is going to be Rutaceae, then it cannot be Philotheca but instead Phebalium.

What makes you say that?

I might be barking up the wrong tree but to my knowledge there are no Philotheca in the area where this was found. Unless of course you want to go to Eriostemon brevifolus.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

OK but if it is going to be Rutaceae, then it cannot be Philotheca but instead Phebalium.

What makes you say that?

I might be barking up the wrong tree but to my knowledge there are no Philotheca in the area where this was found. Unless of course you want to go to Eriostemon brevifolius.

Philotheca salsolifolia isn’t here and has larger leaves. Eriostemon species do occur here though E.brevifolius and E. diffromis and may be closest in leaf size but are usually not found here. Eriostemon myoporoides can be found here but the leaves are way too big.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

What makes you say that?

I might be barking up the wrong tree but to my knowledge there are no Philotheca in the area where this was found. Unless of course you want to go to Eriostemon brevifolius.

Philotheca salsolifolia isn’t here and has larger leaves. Eriostemon species do occur here though E.brevifolius and E. diffromis and may be closest in leaf size but are usually not found here. Eriostemon myoporoides can be found here but the leaves are way too big.

Eriostomen brevifolius appears to have a name change to Philotheca some time after 1992?

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

I might be barking up the wrong tree but to my knowledge there are no Philotheca in the area where this was found. Unless of course you want to go to Eriostemon brevifolius.

Philotheca salsolifolia isn’t here and has larger leaves. Eriostemon species do occur here though E.brevifolius and E. diffromis and may be closest in leaf size but are usually not found here. Eriostemon myoporoides can be found here but the leaves are way too big.

Eriostomen brevifolius appears to have a name change to Philotheca some time after 1992?

and could possibly be the plant in question though would be the furthest west in NSW that it has been found in that case, According to ALA.

niging

Fine. To 32C
NE breezes for the 267th day straight

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

What makes you say that?

I might be barking up the wrong tree but to my knowledge there are no Philotheca in the area where this was found. Unless of course you want to go to Eriostemon brevifolius.

Philotheca salsolifolia isn’t here and has larger leaves. Eriostemon species do occur here though E.brevifolius and E. diffromis and may be closest in leaf size but are usually not found here. Eriostemon myoporoides can be found here but the leaves are way too big.

Not in the areas shown here?

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=in&name=Philotheca~difformis~subsp.+difformis

Flora of Victoria has a very detailed site on this species.

https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/e4d5286f-efae-4e50-8289-bdb9c0d76b12

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

I might be barking up the wrong tree but to my knowledge there are no Philotheca in the area where this was found. Unless of course you want to go to Eriostemon brevifolius.

Philotheca salsolifolia isn’t here and has larger leaves. Eriostemon species do occur here though E.brevifolius and E. diffromis and may be closest in leaf size but are usually not found here. Eriostemon myoporoides can be found here but the leaves are way too big.

Not in the areas shown here?

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=in&name=Philotheca~difformis~subsp.+difformis

Flora of Victoria has a very detailed site on this species.

https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/e4d5286f-efae-4e50-8289-bdb9c0d76b12

No I’m not in Victoria.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Philotheca salsolifolia isn’t here and has larger leaves. Eriostemon species do occur here though E.brevifolius and E. diffromis and may be closest in leaf size but are usually not found here. Eriostemon myoporoides can be found here but the leaves are way too big.

Not in the areas shown here?

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=in&name=Philotheca~difformis~subsp.+difformis

Flora of Victoria has a very detailed site on this species.

https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/e4d5286f-efae-4e50-8289-bdb9c0d76b12

No I’m not in Victoria.

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=in&name=Philotheca~difformis~subsp.+difformis
PlantNet only does NSW flora

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Not in the areas shown here?

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=in&name=Philotheca~difformis~subsp.+difformis

Flora of Victoria has a very detailed site on this species.

https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/e4d5286f-efae-4e50-8289-bdb9c0d76b12

No I’m not in Victoria.

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=in&name=Philotheca~difformis~subsp.+difformis
PlantNet only does NSW flora

Yes but P. difformis doesn’t live here.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

No I’m not in Victoria.

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=in&name=Philotheca~difformis~subsp.+difformis
PlantNet only does NSW flora

Yes but P. difformis doesn’t live here.

Whereabouts are you then?

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=in&name=Philotheca~difformis~subsp.+difformis
PlantNet only does NSW flora

Yes but P. difformis doesn’t live here.

Whereabouts are you then?

Neither RBGSYD nor ALA have any Philotheca species listed for the site in question.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Yes but P. difformis doesn’t live here.

Whereabouts are you then?

Neither RBGSYD nor ALA have any Philotheca species listed for the site in question.

But where are you, or the site in question?

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Yes but P. difformis doesn’t live here.

Whereabouts are you then?

Neither RBGSYD nor ALA have any Philotheca species listed for the site in question.

I do believe that it is likelt P. brevifolia because not only does the description seem apt but that ALA and rbgsyd do say thta it can be in this region.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Whereabouts are you then?

Neither RBGSYD nor ALA have any Philotheca species listed for the site in question.

But where are you, or the site in question?

This is in the riverina region of NSW.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Whereabouts are you then?

Neither RBGSYD nor ALA have any Philotheca species listed for the site in question.

I do believe that it is likelt P. brevifolia because not only does the description seem apt but that ALA and rbgsyd do say thta it can be in this region.

Leaf shape differs though, plus Philotheca difformis occurs in much the same areas and more so than P. brevifolia. However shall leave it with you.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Neither RBGSYD nor ALA have any Philotheca species listed for the site in question.

I do believe that it is likelt P. brevifolia because not only does the description seem apt but that ALA and rbgsyd do say thta it can be in this region.

Leaf shape differs though, plus Philotheca difformis occurs in much the same areas and more so than P. brevifolia. However shall leave it with you.

Well I could always be incorrect in any assumptions.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I do believe that it is likelt P. brevifolia because not only does the description seem apt but that ALA and rbgsyd do say thta it can be in this region.

Leaf shape differs though, plus Philotheca difformis occurs in much the same areas and more so than P. brevifolia. However shall leave it with you.

Well I could always be incorrect in any assumptions.

Last comment:

Philotheca brevifolia leaves are terete, sessile, stipules usually absent.
Philotheca difformis leaves variable, from ± ovate to rhomboid, petiole short, stipules small.

The leaves on your specimen have a petiole, plus stipules.

Not Drowning Waving – Teteko

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Leaf shape differs though, plus Philotheca difformis occurs in much the same areas and more so than P. brevifolia. However shall leave it with you.

Well I could always be incorrect in any assumptions.

Last comment:

Philotheca brevifolia leaves are terete, sessile, stipules usually absent.
Philotheca difformis leaves variable, from ± ovate to rhomboid, petiole short, stipules small.

The leaves on your specimen have a petiole, plus stipules.

OK. Thanks. I’ll look more closely at it all. Because indeed if so it may add to the existing maps.

Anyway, Took some cuttings that day and they actually look better now than when taken from the parent.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Neither RBGSYD nor ALA have any Philotheca species listed for the site in question.

I do believe that it is likelt P. brevifolia because not only does the description seem apt but that ALA and rbgsyd do say thta it can be in this region.

Leaf shape differs though, plus Philotheca difformis occurs in much the same areas and more so than P. brevifolia. However shall leave it with you.

The harshness of the site may mean the reason why the leaves are generally smaller but I’d say this is it. https://data.rbg.vic.gov.au/cip/preview/image/library/38828?maxsize=1024
Though P. difformis is also listed for the Murrumbidgee Irrigation area.

www.environment.gov.au/system/files/pages/e4cb9265-8ba1-44d6-8251-330b4a060c11/files/species-nsw-murrumbidgee.pdf

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I do believe that it is likelt P. brevifolia because not only does the description seem apt but that ALA and rbgsyd do say thta it can be in this region.

Leaf shape differs though, plus Philotheca difformis occurs in much the same areas and more so than P. brevifolia. However shall leave it with you.

The harshness of the site may mean the reason why the leaves are generally smaller but I’d say this is it. https://data.rbg.vic.gov.au/cip/preview/image/library/38828?maxsize=1024
Though P. difformis is also listed for the Murrumbidgee Irrigation area.

www.environment.gov.au/system/files/pages/e4cb9265-8ba1-44d6-8251-330b4a060c11/files/species-nsw-murrumbidgee.pdf

Looks pretty good.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Leaf shape differs though, plus Philotheca difformis occurs in much the same areas and more so than P. brevifolia. However shall leave it with you.

The harshness of the site may mean the reason why the leaves are generally smaller but I’d say this is it. https://data.rbg.vic.gov.au/cip/preview/image/library/38828?maxsize=1024
Though P. difformis is also listed for the Murrumbidgee Irrigation area.

www.environment.gov.au/system/files/pages/e4cb9265-8ba1-44d6-8251-330b4a060c11/files/species-nsw-murrumbidgee.pdf

Looks pretty good.

Anyway, it is very rare for the site it is on. In fact, if there weren’t still a couple of rocks left on this tiny bump on what most around here see as a very flat earth. It could not have been there at all.

See Verandah Rock.

roughbarked said:

See Verandah Rock.

Tastes like a mintbush.

Seven months after taking a cutting from a dry plant, there is still life in the cutting.