Date: 29/01/2019 18:27:22
From: Cymek
ID: 1337535
Subject: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

The central idea is that the visible, three-dimensional universe is restricted to a brane inside a higher-dimensional space, called the “bulk” (also known as “hyperspace”). If the additional dimensions are compact, then the observed universe contains the extra dimension, and then no reference to the bulk is appropriate. In the bulk model, at least some of the extra dimensions are extensive (possibly infinite), and other branes may be moving through this bulk. Interactions with the bulk, and possibly with other branes, can influence our brane and thus introduce effects not seen in more standard cosmological models.

Some versions of brane cosmology, based on the large extra dimension idea, can explain the weakness of gravity relative to the other fundamental forces of nature, thus solving the hierarchy problem. In the brane picture, the electromagnetic, weak and strong nuclear force are localized on the brane, but gravity has no such constraint and propagates on the full spacetime, called bulk. Much of the gravitational attractive power “leaks” into the bulk.

Could black holes lead and/or leak into the bulk mentioned in brane cosmology ?

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Date: 29/01/2019 19:50:37
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1337572
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

“In string theory and related theories such as supergravity theories, a brane is a physical object that generalizes the notion of a point particle to higher dimensions. Branes are dynamical objects which can propagate through spacetime according to the rules of quantum mechanics.”

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Date: 29/01/2019 19:51:15
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1337573
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

Cymek said:


The central idea is that the visible, three-dimensional universe is restricted to a brane inside a higher-dimensional space, called the “bulk” (also known as “hyperspace”). If the additional dimensions are compact, then the observed universe contains the extra dimension, and then no reference to the bulk is appropriate. In the bulk model, at least some of the extra dimensions are extensive (possibly infinite), and other branes may be moving through this bulk. Interactions with the bulk, and possibly with other branes, can influence our brane and thus introduce effects not seen in more standard cosmological models.

Some versions of brane cosmology, based on the large extra dimension idea, can explain the weakness of gravity relative to the other fundamental forces of nature, thus solving the hierarchy problem. In the brane picture, the electromagnetic, weak and strong nuclear force are localized on the brane, but gravity has no such constraint and propagates on the full spacetime, called bulk. Much of the gravitational attractive power “leaks” into the bulk.

Could black holes lead and/or leak into the bulk mentioned in brane cosmology ?

Several ideas here. The first paragraph is a bit difficult to sort out, so I’ll skip it.

> Some versions of brane cosmology, based on the large extra dimension idea, can explain the weakness of gravity relative to the other fundamental forces of nature, thus solving the hierarchy problem. Much of the gravitational attractive power “leaks” into the bulk.

You don’t need large extra dimension(s) to explain the weakness of gravity. If all extra dimensions are compact then that works just as well.

What large extra dimensions do is reduce the minimum energy needed to produce a black hole, and at the same time increase the size of the smallest black holes. That’s why the LHC was looking for black holes. Not because they were expected, but because not finding them would help to rule out the “large extra dimensions” idea.

> Could black holes lead and/or leak into the bulk mentioned in brane cosmology ?

Leak into, definitely.

Lead to … I hadn’t thought about that. That’s not such a trivial question to answer.

Even though an electron is “point like” it is still way too big, physically, to fit into a small black hole.

As a black hole becomes bigger, it becomes more and more confined to conventional 3-D space because it simply becomes bigger than the extra curled-up dimensions.

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Date: 30/01/2019 10:38:07
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1337793
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

If black holes do lead from one brane to another, then that’s a really bad sign. It probably means that the universe is about to end by the collision of branes.

However, my gut feeling is that that isn’t possible, because black holes form collapsing matter, and that collapsing matter is wholly within our current brane.

But to go further, have a closer look at the Penrose diagrams for black holes.

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Date: 30/01/2019 10:59:18
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1337810
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

I like the new cosmology, it hints to an active eternity and regeneration. The older model of a universe captive to entropy to end up silent and still for eternity was always a bit depressing due to the pointlessness of it all.

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Date: 30/01/2019 11:00:56
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1337811
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

Though I don’t for the life of me get the time slices which suppose an existing future becaus that to me hints at determinism.

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Date: 30/01/2019 11:23:48
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1337821
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

AwesomeO said:


I like the new cosmology, it hints to an active eternity and regeneration. The older model of a universe captive to entropy to end up silent and still for eternity was always a bit depressing due to the pointlessness of it all.

why does pointlessness matter? the universe doesn’t care.

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Date: 30/01/2019 11:25:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 1337824
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

ChrispenEvan said:


AwesomeO said:

I like the new cosmology, it hints to an active eternity and regeneration. The older model of a universe captive to entropy to end up silent and still for eternity was always a bit depressing due to the pointlessness of it all.

why does pointlessness matter? the universe doesn’t care.

It sends me flowers every day.

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Date: 30/01/2019 11:29:49
From: AwesomeO
ID: 1337825
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

ChrispenEvan said:


AwesomeO said:

I like the new cosmology, it hints to an active eternity and regeneration. The older model of a universe captive to entropy to end up silent and still for eternity was always a bit depressing due to the pointlessness of it all.

why does pointlessness matter? the universe doesn’t care.

I know the universe doesn’t care, pointlessness offends me personally. You don’t have to agree and I couldn’t be arsed arguing with you about it.

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Date: 30/01/2019 11:31:15
From: roughbarked
ID: 1337827
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

AwesomeO said:


ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

I like the new cosmology, it hints to an active eternity and regeneration. The older model of a universe captive to entropy to end up silent and still for eternity was always a bit depressing due to the pointlessness of it all.

why does pointlessness matter? the universe doesn’t care.

I know the universe doesn’t care, pointlessness offends me personally. You don’t have to agree and I couldn’t be arsed arguing with you about it.

Well, that would be pointless wouldn’t it?

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Date: 30/01/2019 11:31:23
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1337828
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

AwesomeO said:


ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

I like the new cosmology, it hints to an active eternity and regeneration. The older model of a universe captive to entropy to end up silent and still for eternity was always a bit depressing due to the pointlessness of it all.

why does pointlessness matter? the universe doesn’t care.

I know the universe doesn’t care, pointlessness offends me personally. You don’t have to agree and I couldn’t be arsed arguing with you about it.

LOL. Good.

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Date: 30/01/2019 11:33:12
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1337829
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

funny thing is this universe still ends.

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Date: 30/01/2019 11:56:28
From: sibeen
ID: 1337842
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

ChrispenEvan said:


AwesomeO said:

I like the new cosmology, it hints to an active eternity and regeneration. The older model of a universe captive to entropy to end up silent and still for eternity was always a bit depressing due to the pointlessness of it all.

why does pointlessness matter? the universe doesn’t care.

I care, Boris, I really do.

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Date: 30/01/2019 12:00:09
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1337847
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

AwesomeO said:

I like the new cosmology, it hints to an active eternity and regeneration. The older model of a universe captive to entropy to end up silent and still for eternity was always a bit depressing due to the pointlessness of it all.

why does pointlessness matter? the universe doesn’t care.

I care, Boris, I really do.

i hate you!

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Date: 30/01/2019 12:01:57
From: sibeen
ID: 1337849
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

why does pointlessness matter? the universe doesn’t care.

I care, Boris, I really do.

i hate you!

Forum, I promise you this, “I will persevere, love will conquer all”.

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Date: 30/01/2019 12:05:05
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1337850
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

sibeen said:


ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

I care, Boris, I really do.

i hate you!

Forum, I promise you this, “I will persevere, love will conquer all”.

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Date: 30/01/2019 12:07:56
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1337851
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

ChrispenEvan said:


sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

i hate you!

Forum, I promise you this, “I will persevere, love will conquer all”.


not literally of course. just thought i better mention that.

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Date: 30/01/2019 12:21:57
From: Zarkov
ID: 1337865
Subject: re: Could black holes lead to the bulk in brane cosmology

I investigate this years ago using my anti gravity machine to create a blackhole it led to a scary place like that place in Event Horizon

gibber

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