Date: 2/02/2019 23:37:39
From: dv
ID: 1339850
Subject: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

The last IPCC report was in 2014, mostly based on reports compiled in 2013. This was AR5, (Assessment report 5). In Figure 2.1 and elsewhere, it is indicated that the “business as usual case” (A2), which refers to a continued increase in GHGe, the predicted rate of increase in temperature is 0.04 deg C per annum, with the graph indicating that it was expected to take 10 years for global average temperature to increase from the 2014 level (0.6 deg C above pre-industrial levels) to the 1 deg C mark. The increase in temperature above pre-industrial levels is referred to as the temperature anomaly.

Per the most recent NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies estimates of global average temperature, you can see that we are basically already knocking on the door of 1 deg C, slightly less than five years after the report was issued.

In other news, the incorporation of previously overlooked data has resulted in an estimate of the increase in the rate of ocean temperature warming.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/oceans-are-warming-faster-than-predicted/
January 11, 2019

Oceans Are Warming Faster Than Predicted
Earth’s seas are absorbing excess heat 40 percent faster than previous estimates
Up to 90 percent of the warming caused by human carbon emissions is absorbed by the world’s oceans, scientists estimate. And researchers increasingly agree that the oceans are warming faster than previously thought.
Multiple studies in the past few years have found that previous estimates from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change may be too low. A new review of the research, published yesterday in Science, concludes that “multiple lines of evidence from four independent groups thus now suggest a stronger observed warming.”

Another activity that had previously largely been overlooked was the loss of ice from the mainly non-glacial SW coast of Greenland
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/21/greenland-ice-melting-faster-than-scientists-previously-thought-study
22 Jan 2019

Greenland’s ice melting faster than scientists previously thought – study
The pace of ice loss has increased four-fold since 2003 as enormous glaciers are depositing ever larger chunks of ice into the Atlantic ocean, where it melts, causing sea levels to rise
Greenland’s ice is melting faster than scientists previously thought, with the pace of ice loss increasing fourfold since 2003, new research has found.
Enormous glaciers in Greenland are depositing ever larger chunks of ice into the Atlantic Ocean, where it melts. But scientists have found that the largest ice loss in the decade from 2003 actually occurred in the south-west region of the island, which is largely glacier-free.
This suggests surface ice is simply melting as global temperatures rise, causing gushing rivers of meltwater to flow into the ocean and push up sea levels. South-west Greenland, not previously thought of as a source of woe for coastal cities, is set to “become a major future contributor to sea level rise”, the research states.

The Sixth Assessment report of the IPCC is not due until 2022 but it’s working groups have already commenced their research phases and we can expect there will be much to update.

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Date: 3/02/2019 04:12:31
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1339874
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Very well put. How some can argue against such information must reflect their education, if not their sanity. We are getting all these weather extremes now with just 1 degree C warming. Makes you wonder what 2 degrees will bring, which isn’t that far away.

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Date: 3/02/2019 06:23:03
From: buffy
ID: 1339876
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

I always forget…that mean is some sort of average for all readings in the world. Or something?

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Date: 3/02/2019 08:42:30
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1339883
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

buffy said:

I always forget…that mean is some sort of average for all readings in the world. Or something?

Yes, global.

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Date: 3/02/2019 10:35:14
From: buffy
ID: 1339948
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Tau.Neutrino said:


buffy said:

I always forget…that mean is some sort of average for all readings in the world. Or something?

Yes, global.

Well, yes, global, but global what? Satellite, land, where the happens to be a thermometer, ocean? Or everything thrown in the bucket and averaged?

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Date: 3/02/2019 10:41:53
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1339953
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

dv said:


The last IPCC report was in 2014, mostly based on reports compiled in 2013. This was AR5, (Assessment report 5). In Figure 2.1 and elsewhere, it is indicated that the “business as usual case” (A2), which refers to a continued increase in GHGe, the predicted rate of increase in temperature is 0.04 deg C per annum, with the graph indicating that it was expected to take 10 years for global average temperature to increase from the 2014 level (0.6 deg C above pre-industrial levels) to the 1 deg C mark. The increase in temperature above pre-industrial levels is referred to as the temperature anomaly.

Per the most recent NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies estimates of global average temperature, you can see that we are basically already knocking on the door of 1 deg C, slightly less than five years after the report was issued.

In other news, the incorporation of previously overlooked data has resulted in an estimate of the increase in the rate of ocean temperature warming.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/oceans-are-warming-faster-than-predicted/
January 11, 2019

Oceans Are Warming Faster Than Predicted
Earth’s seas are absorbing excess heat 40 percent faster than previous estimates
Up to 90 percent of the warming caused by human carbon emissions is absorbed by the world’s oceans, scientists estimate. And researchers increasingly agree that the oceans are warming faster than previously thought.
Multiple studies in the past few years have found that previous estimates from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change may be too low. A new review of the research, published yesterday in Science, concludes that “multiple lines of evidence from four independent groups thus now suggest a stronger observed warming.”

Another activity that had previously largely been overlooked was the loss of ice from the mainly non-glacial SW coast of Greenland
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/21/greenland-ice-melting-faster-than-scientists-previously-thought-study
22 Jan 2019

Greenland’s ice melting faster than scientists previously thought – study
The pace of ice loss has increased four-fold since 2003 as enormous glaciers are depositing ever larger chunks of ice into the Atlantic ocean, where it melts, causing sea levels to rise
Greenland’s ice is melting faster than scientists previously thought, with the pace of ice loss increasing fourfold since 2003, new research has found.
Enormous glaciers in Greenland are depositing ever larger chunks of ice into the Atlantic Ocean, where it melts. But scientists have found that the largest ice loss in the decade from 2003 actually occurred in the south-west region of the island, which is largely glacier-free.
This suggests surface ice is simply melting as global temperatures rise, causing gushing rivers of meltwater to flow into the ocean and push up sea levels. South-west Greenland, not previously thought of as a source of woe for coastal cities, is set to “become a major future contributor to sea level rise”, the research states.

The Sixth Assessment report of the IPCC is not due until 2022 but it’s working groups have already commenced their research phases and we can expect there will be much to update.

That has to be the worst hocky stick global warming graph I’ve ever seen, the founder of Global Warming and inventor of the Internet, Alby Gore, had a proper hockey stick graph as did other giants of the movement.
That’s a shit hockey stick.

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Date: 3/02/2019 10:44:13
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1339958
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

buffy said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

I always forget…that mean is some sort of average for all readings in the world. Or something?

Yes, global.

Well, yes, global, but global what? Satellite, land, where the happens to be a thermometer, ocean? Or everything thrown in the bucket and averaged?

the ocean globally has warmed up by 0.4
the atmosphere globally by 1.5

and averaged yes

with local extremes being pushed further

that is my understanding.

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Date: 3/02/2019 10:50:49
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1339966
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

dv said:

The graph is wrong. Between 1999 and 2009 there was substantial cooling.

For realistic trends you’ve got to ignore all variations shorter than 20 to 30 years.

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Date: 3/02/2019 10:58:12
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1339978
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

The graph is wrong. Between 1999 and 2009 there was substantial cooling.

I suppose you have got a source for that, and that source is for the same temperature record as shown on dv’s erroneous graph, and you have a good reason to reject one and accept the other?

mollwollfumble said:


For realistic trends you’ve got to ignore all variations shorter than 20 to 30 years.

That I agree with.

Wait a minute, no I don’t agree we should “ignore” short term variations.

We should recognise that it may be a short term variation, but we should also consider the possibility that it may be an indicator that the long termtrend is changing.

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Date: 3/02/2019 11:05:44
From: buffy
ID: 1339989
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Tau.Neutrino said:


buffy said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Yes, global.

Well, yes, global, but global what? Satellite, land, where the happens to be a thermometer, ocean? Or everything thrown in the bucket and averaged?

the ocean globally has warmed up by 0.4
the atmosphere globally by 1.5

and averaged yes

with local extremes being pushed further

that is my understanding.

So atmosphere temps and ocean temps. Atmosphere means the BoM sites and such like around the world?

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Date: 3/02/2019 11:09:54
From: roughbarked
ID: 1339995
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

buffy said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

buffy said:

Well, yes, global, but global what? Satellite, land, where the happens to be a thermometer, ocean? Or everything thrown in the bucket and averaged?

the ocean globally has warmed up by 0.4
the atmosphere globally by 1.5

and averaged yes

with local extremes being pushed further

that is my understanding.

So atmosphere temps and ocean temps. Atmosphere means the BoM sites and such like around the world?

Glabally averaged. Says so on the top of the first graph.

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Date: 3/02/2019 16:37:21
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340213
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Nothing in the OP proves the warming is anything but natural.

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Date: 3/02/2019 16:58:27
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340225
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

dv said:


In other news, the incorporation of previously overlooked data has resulted in an estimate of the increase in the rate of ocean temperature warming.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/oceans-are-warming-faster-than-predicted/
January 11, 2019
Oceans Are Warming Faster Than Predicted
Earth’s seas are absorbing excess heat 40 percent faster than previous estimates

more garbage to create alarmism

Media Reports of +40% Adjustment in Ocean Warming Were Greatly Exaggerated
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/01/media-reports-of-40-adjustment-in-ocean-warming-were-greatly-exaggerated/

Ocean Warming in Climate Models Varies Far More than Recent Study Suggests
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/01/ocean-warming-in-climate-models-varies-far-more-than-recent-study-suggests/

Is ocean warming accelerating faster than thought?
by Nic Lewis

There are a number of statements in Cheng et al. (2019) ‘How fast are the oceans warming’, (‘the paper’) that appear to be mistaken and/or potentially misleading. My analysis of these issues is followed by a reply from the paper’s authors.

Contrary to what the paper indicates:

Contemporary estimates of the trend in 0–2000 m depth ocean heat content over 1971–2010 are closely in line with that assessed in the IPCC AR5 report five years ago

Contemporary estimates of the trend in 0–2000 m depth ocean heat content over 2005–2017 are significantly (> 95% probability) smaller than the mean CMIP5 model simulation trend.
https://judithcurry.com/2019/01/21/is-ocean-warming-accelerating-faster-than-thought/

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Date: 3/02/2019 17:05:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 1340230
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

If you are not alarmed you should definitely be alert.
and if you are alert then you’d see that it is you who is talking garbage.

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Date: 3/02/2019 17:14:06
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340237
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

roughbarked said:


If you are not alarmed you should definitely be alert.
and if you are alert then you’d see that it is you who is talking garbage.

if you could comprehend the links I provided you would realise their not

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Date: 3/02/2019 17:17:07
From: roughbarked
ID: 1340238
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Zeppelin said:


roughbarked said:

If you are not alarmed you should definitely be alert.
and if you are alert then you’d see that it is you who is talking garbage.

if you could comprehend the links I provided you would realise their not

If you comprehended any other than those you do post, then you may realise that either you have been conned into wearing blinkers or you simply aren’t capable of looking at the bigger picture.

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Date: 3/02/2019 17:19:58
From: Ian
ID: 1340239
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

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Date: 3/02/2019 17:21:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1340240
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Ian said:



Was only informing the troll-like that nobody is listening.

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Date: 3/02/2019 17:23:54
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340242
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

roughbarked said:


Zeppelin said:

roughbarked said:

If you are not alarmed you should definitely be alert.
and if you are alert then you’d see that it is you who is talking garbage.

if you could comprehend the links I provided you would realise their not

If you comprehended any other than those you do post, then you may realise that either you have been conned into wearing blinkers or you simply aren’t capable of looking at the bigger picture.

there was no proof, rough, from VDs post to attribute any of the warming to greenhouse gasses. It faith, it a political ideology.

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Date: 3/02/2019 17:24:33
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340243
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Ian said:



name calling is always used when one cannot argue against a point made.

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Date: 3/02/2019 17:27:38
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1340246
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

mollwollfumble said:


dv said:

The graph is wrong. Between 1999 and 2009 there was substantial cooling.

For realistic trends you’ve got to ignore all variations shorter than 20 to 30 years.

It was not a downward trend, only the high initial figures were due to an abnormally high La Nina effect, which on a few subsequent years did not exceed the initial temperature at that time. However, the trend (ignoring the La Nina year were still trending up)

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Date: 3/02/2019 17:27:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 1340247
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Zeppelin said:


Ian said:


name calling is always used when one cannot argue against a point made.

Last comment. You are wasting your time here. Your points have no validity base.

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Date: 4/02/2019 10:01:25
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340486
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Lets take a different view of the GISS LOTI data

Looks quite different. Note the last 30 year period

This version of the GISS data shows a “Running 30-Year (360-Month) Linear Trends (Trailing)”. The units are Deg C/Decade, not simply Deg C. This is to illustrate trends in the graph: how quickly or how slowly global surfaces warmed or cooled over those 30-year periods.

The period 1916 – 1945 shows clear warming that cannot be caused by CO2. Having tuned their UN IPCC climate models to the late 20th Century warming period (with the assumption that CO2 is a driving force), the modellers cannot replicate the 1916 – 1945 period warmth. That, and the models cannot replicate any other metric of our dynamic and chaotic climate system.

https://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2019/01/31/global-mean-surface-temperature-early-20th-century-warming-period-models-versus-models-models-versus-data/

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Date: 4/02/2019 10:09:34
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340491
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Zeppelin said:


dv’s graph also seems to leave out the fact that the “unexpectedly fast warming was caused by the 2015/2016 record el nino,

& that the temp has since fallen

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Date: 4/02/2019 10:11:13
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340494
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

here’s a larger, clearer pic of that GISS LOTI graph, so you can all see it more clearly.

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Date: 4/02/2019 10:19:07
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1340500
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Here’s another chart

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Date: 4/02/2019 10:26:22
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340507
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Tau.Neutrino said:


Here’s another chart


That’s a lovely chart Tau, but it doesn’t prove causation, unlike my lovely charts that do.

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Date: 4/02/2019 16:40:37
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1340697
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Zeppelin said:


Tau.Neutrino said:

Here’s another chart


That’s a lovely chart Tau, but it doesn’t prove causation, unlike my lovely charts that do.

Anyone have a large hessian sack?

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Date: 4/02/2019 16:44:25
From: roughbarked
ID: 1340700
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

PermeateFree said:


Zeppelin said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Here’s another chart


That’s a lovely chart Tau, but it doesn’t prove causation, unlike my lovely charts that do.

Anyone have a large hessian sack?

Wool bale -> wool press.

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Date: 4/02/2019 16:48:01
From: Tau.Neutrino
ID: 1340702
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

PermeateFree said:


Zeppelin said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Here’s another chart


That’s a lovely chart Tau, but it doesn’t prove causation, unlike my lovely charts that do.

Anyone have a large hessian sack?

Z doesn’t realize that to get the overall picture many charts and graphs are needed.

Not one graph which looks at one aspect but many graphs which altogether give a much a more accurate picture.

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Date: 4/02/2019 16:51:45
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340703
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Tau.Neutrino said:


PermeateFree said:

Zeppelin said:

That’s a lovely chart Tau, but it doesn’t prove causation, unlike my lovely charts that do.

Anyone have a large hessian sack?

Z doesn’t realize that to get the overall picture many charts and graphs are needed.

Tau, I added two charts, compared to dv’s misleading one

I think I do realise, realise with an s

I love you, by the way

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Date: 4/02/2019 16:56:58
From: roughbarked
ID: 1340706
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Tau.Neutrino said:


PermeateFree said:

Zeppelin said:

That’s a lovely chart Tau, but it doesn’t prove causation, unlike my lovely charts that do.

Anyone have a large hessian sack?

Z doesn’t realize that to get the overall picture many charts and graphs are needed.

Not one graph which looks at one aspect but many graphs which altogether give a much a more accurate picture.

There are way too many people out there who have the wrong end of the stick. Here we are in the fourth consecutive hottest year on record and there are those who think the greenies have caused it, there are those who don’t belive that climate change as such actually exists, there are those who know the climate is changing but believe it is simply cyclical and nothing to do with anthropogenic causation at all and now we have someone who thinks it has nothing to do with gases when Lucinda Foote who unfortunately happened to be a woman spoke of the differences in gases in heat absorption a long time ago.

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Date: 4/02/2019 17:04:55
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340708
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

roughbarked said:

Here we are in the fourth consecutive hottest year on record and there are those who think the greenies have caused it,

2018 6th Warmest Year Globally of Last 40

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/12/2018-6th-warmest-year-globally-of-last-40/

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Date: 4/02/2019 17:05:50
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340709
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

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Date: 4/02/2019 17:06:56
From: roughbarked
ID: 1340710
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

Zeppelin said:


roughbarked said:

Here we are in the fourth consecutive hottest year on record and there are those who think the greenies have caused it,

2018 6th Warmest Year Globally of Last 40

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/12/2018-6th-warmest-year-globally-of-last-40/


It isn’t the University of Australia, that’s for sure.

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Date: 4/02/2019 17:13:13
From: Zeppelin
ID: 1340712
Subject: re: Unexpectedly fast warming since 2014

roughbarked said:

There are way too many people out there who have the wrong end of the stick. Here we are in the fourth consecutive hottest year on record and there are those who think the greenies have caused it, there are those who don’t belive that climate change as such actually exists, there are those who know the climate is changing but believe it is simply cyclical and nothing to do with anthropogenic causation at all and now we have someone who thinks it has nothing to do with gases when Lucinda Foote who unfortunately happened to be a woman spoke of the differences in gases in heat absorption a long time ago.

https://tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/topics/10736/

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