imagine abiogenesis can’t be understood because it’s a computational impossibility, an oblivion, the scales and probabilities can’t be reverse conceptualized, theorized or measured, it doesn’t yield to efforts of abstraction.

consider the past as a computational oblivion, part of what thermodynamics (of time) does. The incalculable accidents of past, of cause and effect, they sort of are like a non-reversible algorithm that generate a now.

take human consciousness as being in-part a device for looking backward, looking at the past.

to some point the number of conscious creatures variously communicating, the (potential of the) combined mental resources (with tools to aid that) results in an additive or combinatorial improvement in the capacity to look back usefully (understand the past).

now consider some threshold, at which point the combined net potential turns negative, that the totality of combined accidents contributing to cause and effect accelerates the rate at which information recedes into oblivion. The computational oblivion becomes nearer in a sense, because it expands or is denser, but the rate of loss of information to the oblivion accelerates. Say the exponential nature of the probabilities involved result in the past increasingly becoming conceptually irretrievable. Usefully accurate representations become less likely, or impossible.

there may be some limitations to self-ordering forces (negentropy) within certain spaces, or space geometries.

you might think human thought doesn’t take up much space, or same of collective thought, a joy of the electrified computation apparatus, the brain/mind. It’s a space saver apparently, like a CPU etc, and technology is constantly making them smaller. It’s still an exponentially growing mountain though, much of which is junked. I’m digressing a bit there.

I may be saying it’s possible to send the past into the past faster by making more to send into the past. The volume or amount is equivalent to speed in some sense. It could seem appealingly nearer or closer though (slower even, by expansion).

I wonder if time, the thermodynamics of time, that human consciousness, by numbers, the collective force, is a force to push the past into the past, to expand the computational oblivion right up to the doorstep, while the rate of irretrievable information loss to recession increases.

and, is there in any sense a possibility where the expansion rate increases to the point that information potentially (describing the past) appears not to recede. Put another way, man creates a now so busy and voluminous, so saturated, that the past becomes faint, and irrelevant, displaced, by the scale of the force of now.

or, did the expansion already happen, and the look back isn’t really a look back, we’re all riding a wave forward, the sensation of looking back is entirely illusion.

transition said:

imagine abiogenesis can’t be understood because it’s a computational impossibility, an oblivion, the scales and probabilities can’t be reverse conceptualized, theorized or measured, it doesn’t yield to efforts of abstraction.

consider the past as a computational oblivion, part of what thermodynamics (of time) does. The incalculable accidents of past, of cause and effect, they sort of are like a non-reversible algorithm that generate a now.

take human consciousness as being in-part a device for looking backward, looking at the past.

to some point the number of conscious creatures variously communicating, the (potential of the) combined mental resources (with tools to aid that) results in an additive or combinatorial improvement in the capacity to look back usefully (understand the past).

now consider some threshold, at which point the combined net potential turns negative, that the totality of combined accidents contributing to cause and effect accelerates the rate at which information recedes into oblivion. The computational oblivion becomes nearer in a sense, because it expands or is denser, but the rate of loss of information to the oblivion accelerates. Say the exponential nature of the probabilities involved result in the past increasingly becoming conceptually irretrievable. Usefully accurate representations become less likely, or impossible.

there may be some limitations to self-ordering forces (negentropy) within certain spaces, or space geometries.

you might think human thought doesn’t take up much space, or same of collective thought, a joy of the electrified computation apparatus, the brain/mind. It’s a space saver apparently, like a CPU etc, and technology is constantly making them smaller. It’s still an exponentially growing mountain though, much of which is junked. I’m digressing a bit there.

I may be saying it’s possible to send the past into the past faster by making more to send into the past. The volume or amount is equivalent to speed in some sense. It could seem appealingly nearer or closer though (slower even, by expansion).

I wonder if time, the thermodynamics of time, that human consciousness, by numbers, the collective force, is a force to push the past into the past, to expand the computational oblivion right up to the doorstep, while the rate of irretrievable information loss to recession increases.

and, is there in any sense a possibility where the expansion rate increases to the point that information potentially (describing the past) appears not to recede. Put another way, man creates a now so busy and voluminous, so saturated, that the past becomes faint, and irrelevant, displaced, by the scale of the force of now.

or, did the expansion already happen, and the look back isn’t really a look back, we’re all riding a wave forward, the sensation of looking back is entirely illusion.

> now consider some threshold, at which point the combined net potential turns negative, that the totality of combined accidents contributing to cause and effect accelerates the rate at which information recedes into oblivion. The computational oblivion becomes nearer in a sense, because it expands or is denser, but the rate of loss of information to the oblivion accelerates. Say the exponential nature of the probabilities involved result in the past increasingly becoming conceptually irretrievable. Usefully accurate representations become less likely, or impossible.

Reminds me of a SciFi story called “the entropy effect”, In which a single successful travel backwards in time kicks off an exponential increase in entropy.

transition said:

imagine abiogenesis can’t be understood because it’s a computational impossibility, an oblivion, the scales and probabilities can’t be reverse conceptualized, theorized or measured, it doesn’t yield to efforts of abstraction.

consider the past as a computational oblivion, part of what thermodynamics (of time) does. The incalculable accidents of past, of cause and effect, they sort of are like a non-reversible algorithm that generate a now.

take human consciousness as being in-part a device for looking backward, looking at the past.

to some point the number of conscious creatures variously communicating, the (potential of the) combined mental resources (with tools to aid that) results in an additive or combinatorial improvement in the capacity to look back usefully (understand the past).

now consider some threshold, at which point the combined net potential turns negative, that the totality of combined accidents contributing to cause and effect accelerates the rate at which information recedes into oblivion. The computational oblivion becomes nearer in a sense, because it expands or is denser, but the rate of loss of information to the oblivion accelerates. Say the exponential nature of the probabilities involved result in the past increasingly becoming conceptually irretrievable. Usefully accurate representations become less likely, or impossible.

there may be some limitations to self-ordering forces (negentropy) within certain spaces, or space geometries.

you might think human thought doesn’t take up much space, or same of collective thought, a joy of the electrified computation apparatus, the brain/mind. It’s a space saver apparently, like a CPU etc, and technology is constantly making them smaller. It’s still an exponentially growing mountain though, much of which is junked. I’m digressing a bit there.

I may be saying it’s possible to send the past into the past faster by making more to send into the past. The volume or amount is equivalent to speed in some sense. It could seem appealingly nearer or closer though (slower even, by expansion).

I wonder if time, the thermodynamics of time, that human consciousness, by numbers, the collective force, is a force to push the past into the past, to expand the computational oblivion right up to the doorstep, while the rate of irretrievable information loss to recession increases.

and, is there in any sense a possibility where the expansion rate increases to the point that information potentially (describing the past) appears not to recede. Put another way, man creates a now so busy and voluminous, so saturated, that the past becomes faint, and irrelevant, displaced, by the scale of the force of now.

or, did the expansion already happen, and the look back isn’t really a look back, we’re all riding a wave forward, the sensation of looking back is entirely illusion.

> consider the past as a computational oblivion, part of what thermodynamics (of time) does. The incalculable accidents of past, of cause and effect, they sort of are like a non-reversible algorithm that generate a now. Take human consciousness as being in-part a device for looking backward, looking at the past.

You’re right of course. But the very thought of it makes me cry.

Think of science as the way of making sense of the present by observing the past

> is there in any sense a possibility where the expansion rate increases to the point that information potentially (describing the past) appears not to recede.

Yes. In mathematics it’s called a “strange attractor”, which is part of chaos theory.

In reverse time, two adjacent points in the present initially diverge exponenentially going backwards in time, but eventually reach a steady state, known as the strange attractor where the average distance between the two points is unchanging.

A practical application of this is weather and climate. The butterfly effect is an exponential change in the weather resulting from a trivial cause. But over time this settles down to a near-steady state that we call climate.