Here’s How We’ll Know an AI Is Conscious

The Australian philosopher David Chalmers famously asked whether “philosophical zombies” are conceivable—people who behave like you and me yet lack subjective experience. It’s an idea that has gotten many scholars interested in consciousness, including myself. The reasoning is that, if such zombies, or sophisticated unfeeling robots, are conceivable, then physical properties alone—about the brain or a brain-like mechanism—cannot explain the experience of consciousness. Instead, some additional mental properties must account for the what-it-is-like feeling of being conscious. Figuring out how these mental properties arise has become known as the “hard problem” of consciousness.

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you’ll know conscious AI, if ever, it’ll sleep, know what sleep is.

no genius required

transition said:

you’ll know conscious AI, if ever, it’ll sleep, know what sleep is.

no genius required

Not avgood enough test. In humans, slerp serves the purpose of selective forgetting.

While selective forgetting is a necessary condition for AI longevity, it’s not a sufficient condition for consciousness.

In “the moon is a harsh mistress”, the way to tell if an AI is conscious is to look for a sense of humour.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

you’ll know conscious AI, if ever, it’ll sleep, know what sleep is.

no genius required

Not avgood enough test. In humans, slerp serves the purpose of selective forgetting.

While selective forgetting is a necessary condition for AI longevity, it’s not a sufficient condition for consciousness.

In “the moon is a harsh mistress”, the way to tell if an AI is conscious is to look for a sense of humour.

was more getting at consciousness being product of graduated, cyclic awareness (sleep/wake cycles, and that between importantly, experiencing it), but too a consciousness thing knows (feels of) earlier versions (the child you developed from). Those two things together.

as a conceptual starting point, consider data and b4.

transition said:

was more getting at consciousness being product of graduated, cyclic awareness (sleep/wake cycles….

Some aquatic mammals (eg dolphins) and some birds have unihemispheric sleep cycles, ie one half of their brain sleeps whilst the other half stays awake, then vice versa. Do you think dolphins have two separate consciousnesses?

Humanity has yet to fully understand consciousness, we we getting a good start on it I think.

Building a robot with consciousness is one way to understand consciousness.

What if different ways were discovered to create consciousness in robots?

What if robots had better understandings of multidimensional geometric spaces?

What if robots had more emotions than humans?

What if these emotions were born out of better understandings of concepts within an environment?

What if robots had chemicals that were tied to specific emotions programmed to react to stimuli when robots perceive their environment?

esselte said:

transition said:

was more getting at consciousness being product of graduated, cyclic awareness (sleep/wake cycles….

Some aquatic mammals (eg dolphins) and some birds have unihemispheric sleep cycles, ie one half of their brain sleeps whilst the other half stays awake, then vice versa. Do you think dolphins have two separate consciousnesses?

Some people have multiple personalities.

Robots could also have multiple personalities.

It would be also possible to have cyborgs/ robots with multi conscious states.

Tau.Neutrino said:

esselte said:

transition said:

was more getting at consciousness being product of graduated, cyclic awareness (sleep/wake cycles….

Some aquatic mammals (eg dolphins) and some birds have unihemispheric sleep cycles, ie one half of their brain sleeps whilst the other half stays awake, then vice versa. Do you think dolphins have two separate consciousnesses?

Some people have multiple personalities.

Robots could also have multiple personalities.

It would be also possible to have cyborgs/ robots with multi conscious states.

The juxtaposition between dreaming and reality is intriguing, a chemical flips the brain from awake to sleep and then during sleep dreams occur in conceptual space which is a reflection of real space, I wonder if this could be made possible with robots, to get robots to dream would be a challenge.

>Do you think dolphins have two separate consciousnesses?

dunno

I would say of adult humans they ‘regress’ to communicate with babies/young offspring.

seems to me consciousness is the product of cyclic regressions/elevations.

you could say lots of creatures have such cycles, and they do, but few things regress as far as a consequence of the level of the elevation.

consider a condensative mechanism that generates self-awareness

mollwollfumble said:

In “the moon is a harsh mistress”, the way to tell if an AI is conscious is to look for a sense of humour.

You must be joking.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

esselte said:

Some aquatic mammals (eg dolphins) and some birds have unihemispheric sleep cycles, ie one half of their brain sleeps whilst the other half stays awake, then vice versa. Do you think dolphins have two separate consciousnesses?

Some people have multiple personalities.

Robots could also have multiple personalities.

It would be also possible to have cyborgs/ robots with multi conscious states.

The juxtaposition between dreaming and reality is intriguing, a chemical flips the brain from awake to sleep and then during sleep dreams occur in conceptual space which is a reflection of real space, I wonder if this could be made possible with robots, to get robots to dream would be a challenge.

ultimately I guess the purpose of the wetware is to make experience and internal representations useful to the wetware and body-vehicle, the organic replicator, so you know it’s transforming information into something wetware-friendly, personalized to your wetware.

hopefully it works, it’s unlikely to always be friendly, but trying, the efforts can be interesting too, perhaps even pleasing.

i’m not sure chemicals flip the brain, as you say, that sounds like a light switch, graduated sounds better, less like a length of 4 × 2 across the head, but in some circumstances they might be said to flip, preferably not when waking though. I like an extended twilight.

I’d be interested to see when an AI becomes conscious if it’s exponentially faster at thinking than humans as its “thoughts?” can be transmitted quicker than ours. This is assuming its hardware/software/ is a match for ours. It might also become conscious but decide not to share this with us

Cymek said:

I’d be interested to see when an AI becomes conscious if it’s exponentially faster at thinking than humans as its “thoughts?” can be transmitted quicker than ours. This is assuming its hardware/software/ is a match for ours. It might also become conscious but decide not to share this with us

you’re conscious, and intentionally slow some thinking down, perhaps even stop some thinking, I bet.

on your last point, differentiated or individuated thinking, necessary to identity and self-awareness, requires a personal space, a retreat of sorts

still can’t see AI consciousness as being some explosion of awareness, fully awake non-stop, maximizing or operating with continuous awareness. It’d have no centre I reckon.

just a hunch, I await AI wide-eyed 24/7. Could see it in my lifetime.

transition said:

dv said:

transition said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Here’s a brain teaser: Will AI ever reach consciousness?

Paul Davies
Physicist, writer
July 20, 2024 — 5.00am

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https://www.theage.com.au/technology/here-s-a-brain-teaser-will-ai-ever-reach-consciousness-20240718-p5jutz.html

what happens if your starting point conceptualization of self-aware consciousness is to consider it as shelter

On the face of it, AI developing consciousness seems an easier proposition than organic molecules developing consciousness.

dunno, who knows exactly how much of the experience of internal environment is maybe blood supplying glucose and oxygen, certainly starts to fade away promptly when the blood pressure drops off

wait until they found out that conscious 爱 were developed by conscious organic molecules were developed by wait