Due to my changing work requirements, I might need to use some macOS only software. Specifically Final Cut, and I’m expecting this to be the only non PC software I’ll need for now.
Suffice to say, I can’t justify work spending a few grand on a macbook.

My desktop PC is an adequate video editing machine and using it would save desk real estate that would be lost to extra keyboards and mice. My laptop would be ok and I might need to use it for working in the field.

Obviously, Apple isn’t happy about the macOS on PC thing, but the kids at uni all have windows installed on their school (mac) laptops and it makes sense that there are good options for going the other way.

I’ve read some guides, but no one I know has actually done this.

My questions are:
- are my computers going to take a performance hit dual booting?
- can I atleast run legal/legit software on the macOS side of things?
- is this more hassle than it’s worth and should I return to beet farming?

Lary said:

My questions are:
- are my computers going to take a performance hit dual booting?
- can I atleast run legal/legit software on the macOS side of things?
- is this more hassle than it’s worth and should I return to beet farming?

- no
- probably
- probably

From the Hackintosh archives it can be quite hardware dependent, so you’d need to check compatibility of every bit of your PC to see if the Hackintosh option will work or not.

Final Cut Pro is available for PC.

actualy, no, no it is not. soz.

Lary said:

Due to my changing work requirements, I might need to use some macOS only software. Specifically Final Cut, and I’m expecting this to be the only non PC software I’ll need for now.
Suffice to say, I can’t justify work spending a few grand on a macbook.

My desktop PC is an adequate video editing machine and using it would save desk real estate that would be lost to extra keyboards and mice. My laptop would be ok and I might need to use it for working in the field.

Obviously, Apple isn’t happy about the macOS on PC thing, but the kids at uni all have windows installed on their school (mac) laptops and it makes sense that there are good options for going the other way.

I’ve read some guides, but no one I know has actually done this.

My questions are:
- are my computers going to take a performance hit dual booting?
- can I atleast run legal/legit software on the macOS side of things?
- is this more hassle than it’s worth and should I return to beet farming?

I know less than zero about macOS. But many years ago i did look into dual booting with Linux and Windows. Some of my friends had done this, but i decided not to because:

• I had to partition the hard disk up front so was more likely to run out of storage.
• Changing from one OS to the other required a complete shut-down and restart.

So I ended up running a Linux emulator under windows. This made file transfer between the two OS easy and allowed me to keep both open at once. I didn’t get full Linux capability but enough.

IIWY I’d look for a mac OS emulator on windows.

poikilotherm said:

actualy, no, no it is not. soz.

I got excited there. I had looked for it, but thought maybe you knew something I didn’t.

mollwollfumble said:

I know less than zero about macOS. But many years ago i did look into dual booting with Linux and Windows. Some of my friends had done this, but i decided not to because:

• I had to partition the hard disk up front so was more likely to run out of storage.
• Changing from one OS to the other required a complete shut-down and restart.

So I ended up running a Linux emulator under windows. This made file transfer between the two OS easy and allowed me to keep both open at once. I didn’t get full Linux capability but enough.

IIWY I’d look for a mac OS emulator on windows.

My understanding is that I will take a substantial performance hit running an emulator under a VM?

Question: Why must you use this “Final Cut”? I don’t know much about it but it seems to be video editing software. Surely any of the plethora of alternatives that work on Windows, or Linux, would do the same job…

Also, another alternative to dual booting is, if your hardware allows, install macOS on an external drive and boot from that when you need to use it…

furious said:

Question: Why must you use this “Final Cut”? I don’t know much about it but it seems to be video editing software. Surely any of the plethora of alternatives that work on Windows, or Linux, would do the same job…

It is the software my employer uses. We provide a product that has been traditionally produced using Final Cut. All of the templates and assets used are either made for Final Cut, or optimised for Final Cut. All the training and support I can receive inhouse will be Final Cut only.

Lary said:

furious said:

Question: Why must you use this “Final Cut”? I don’t know much about it but it seems to be video editing software. Surely any of the plethora of alternatives that work on Windows, or Linux, would do the same job…

It is the software my employer uses. We provide a product that has been traditionally produced using Final Cut. All of the templates and assets used are either made for Final Cut, or optimised for Final Cut. All the training and support I can receive inhouse will be Final Cut only.

Can’t you use one of your employer’s computers?

There will be a performance hit via VM.

• It is the software my employer uses. We provide a product that has been traditionally produced using Final Cut. All of the templates and assets used are either made for Final Cut, or optimised for Final Cut. All the training and support I can receive inhouse will be Final Cut only.

Fair response. If an employer compels you to use a certain software that is usable only on a certain hardware then aren’t they obligated to provide the hardware?

furious said:

• It is the software my employer uses. We provide a product that has been traditionally produced using Final Cut. All of the templates and assets used are either made for Final Cut, or optimised for Final Cut. All the training and support I can receive inhouse will be Final Cut only.

Fair response. If an employer compels you to use a certain software that is usable only on a certain hardware then aren’t they obligated to provide the hardware?

That would be my guess. Unless of course he is being employed as a contractor. In which case he shouuld bring his own equipment.

furious said:

• It is the software my employer uses. We provide a product that has been traditionally produced using Final Cut. All of the templates and assets used are either made for Final Cut, or optimised for Final Cut. All the training and support I can receive inhouse will be Final Cut only.

Fair response. If an employer compels you to use a certain software that is usable only on a certain hardware then aren’t they obligated to provide the hardware?

They will provide hardware, but my hardware list is already long, and my laptop and PC will be better suited to video editing.

• They will provide hardware, but my hardware list is already long, and my laptop and PC will be better suited to video editing.

Did you see my suggestion regarding dual booting from an external drive?

furious said:

• They will provide hardware, but my hardware list is already long, and my laptop and PC will be better suited to video editing.

Did you see my suggestion regarding dual booting from an external drive?

Yup.
II’ll investigate that option shortly.

Lary said:

Due to my changing work requirements, I might need to use some macOS only software. Specifically Final Cut, and I’m expecting this to be the only non PC software I’ll need for now.
Suffice to say, I can’t justify work spending a few grand on a macbook.

My desktop PC is an adequate video editing machine and using it would save desk real estate that would be lost to extra keyboards and mice. My laptop would be ok and I might need to use it for working in the field.

Obviously, Apple isn’t happy about the macOS on PC thing, but the kids at uni all have windows installed on their school (mac) laptops and it makes sense that there are good options for going the other way.

I’ve read some guides, but no one I know has actually done this.

My questions are:
- are my computers going to take a performance hit dual booting?
- can I atleast run legal/legit software on the macOS side of things?
- is this more hassle than it’s worth and should I return to beet farming?

I’ve dual booted several version of MacOS (High Sierra, Yosemite, and at least one other, but not macOS.) I’ve also run each of them in VMs. The VMs are OK, but too low-performance to be useful in enterprise applications. I had to do some trickery to get them to run dual-boot, but I can’t remember offhand what it was (and the computers I put them on are in another city ATM.) Once I got them running, though, they were fine, although I think Apple considers it piracy. As mollwololfumble says, you have to reboot the machine to switch from one to the other, though you can hibernate the inactive one. I haven’t tried furious’s suggestion of putting them on external devices.

Don’t bother with VMs. Performance hit is too great. I used VirtualBox; VMWare has never matched VB’s performance in my tests, but I didn’t test it in this case.

To answer your questions,
No. You can’t run both at once, though.
Qualified yes, in that I haven’t run macOS, only MacOS.
When it’s working, it’s fine, but it can also be a lot of stuffing around to get it working.

Another possible solution is to use a software kvm, like synergy. You’ll have two computers, but only need a single mouse and keyboard.

roughbarked said:

Lary said:

furious said:

Question: Why must you use this “Final Cut”? I don’t know much about it but it seems to be video editing software. Surely any of the plethora of alternatives that work on Windows, or Linux, would do the same job…

It is the software my employer uses. We provide a product that has been traditionally produced using Final Cut. All of the templates and assets used are either made for Final Cut, or optimised for Final Cut. All the training and support I can receive inhouse will be Final Cut only.

Can’t you use one of your employer’s computers?

There will be a performance hit via VM.

Yes, probably a performance hit using VM, but then there’s a performance hit in practically every piece of software I run. Like many others I have a quad core machine, but none (or extremely little) of my software is allowed access to more than one core equivalent at a time. So when I want fast Linux I always run 4 programs at once.

Is Final Cut optimised to use all of your computer’s cores? If then, and only then, it’s time to worry about the performance hit of an emulator.

Lary said:

furious said:

• They will provide hardware, but my hardware list is already long, and my laptop and PC will be better suited to video editing.

Did you see my suggestion regarding dual booting from an external drive?

Yup.
II’ll investigate that option shortly.

For video editing, good luck with that (unless it’s on a fast SD card or similar).

There’s also a work-around to the MacOS Thing…

E-Bay

An Apple Computer needn’t cost over a $1000+
Search E-Bay for A USED MacMINI for a few Hundred Dollars.

The reason for the preference for Editing Software running on a more stable/reliable computer is
that you will no longer have The Sword of Damocles of those inevitable freeze/crash/virus BS
hanging over your head.

There’s a valid reason Creative Professionals (Musicians/Artists/Scientists) rely on Apple.

Ogmog said:

There’s also a work-around to the MacOS Thing…

E-Bay

An Apple Computer needn’t cost over a $1000+
Search E-Bay for A USED MacMINI for a few Hundred Dollars.

This will be about the same spec as what I will be provided with.

Lary said:

Ogmog said:

There’s also a work-around to the MacOS Thing…

E-Bay

An Apple Computer needn’t cost over a $1000+
Search E-Bay for A USED MacMINI for a few Hundred Dollars.

This will be about the same spec as what I will be provided with.

THIS
is the lil’ sucker I’m using even as we speak,
I bought it for $300 5 years ago (along with a few adapters to hook it into my existing equipment) and I’m still happy as a clam…
…just saying…
there are workarounds.

While PC users deride Apple users for “Not Recycling”
I snigger and turn away laughing;
“We have our own form of “Recycling”…We call it “E-BAY”! ;-)
Since Apple Computers are notoriously robust, about the only reason
to “Get rid of one” is the human quest for THE NEWEST Bells & Whistles.

Gotta’ LOVE Folk with Great Wads O Cash burning holes in their pocketeses

Every time Apple announces some previously never seen thig-a-ma-bob sensible folk get out
the nets and run to the orchard to catch the falling fruit from on high before it even hits the ground.

Oy, Mate
if you need help finding the specs you might require
to run programs necessary to run extra heavy applications
and don’t have anyone around to help, check out EveryMac.com