It had never occurred to me that there might be more than one recognised industrial revolution, and yet here we are:
Anyone want to take a stab at what IR V will look like?
I am in disagreement with the proposed sequence.
Rule 303 said:
It had never occurred to me that there might be more than one recognised industrial revolution, and yet here we are:
Anyone want to take a stab at what IR V will look like?
Industrialisation and expansion of DNA technologies.
AwesomeO said:
Rule 303 said:
It had never occurred to me that there might be more than one recognised industrial revolution, and yet here we are:
Anyone want to take a stab at what IR V will look like?
Industrialisation and expansion of DNA technologies.
Transhuman type devices as well
party_pants said:
I am in disagreement with the proposed sequence.
Me too.
I’m OK with 1&2 but 3&4 are basically the same thing, and should be extended backwards to include mass communications (TV and Radio).
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
I am in disagreement with the proposed sequence.
Me too.
I’m OK with 1&2 but 3&4 are basically the same thing, and should be extended backwards to include mass communications (TV and Radio).
I don’t think that 3 has happened yet, except in a few niche applications. Mostly what has happened is that companies still use 2 but they shift their factories to countries with cheaper wages.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
I am in disagreement with the proposed sequence.
Me too.
I’m OK with 1&2 but 3&4 are basically the same thing, and should be extended backwards to include mass communications (TV and Radio).
I don’t think that 3 has happened yet, except in a few niche applications. Mostly what has happened is that companies still use 2 but they shift their factories to countries with cheaper wages.
3 is “computers and automation”, not “robots do everything”. That’s been happening for at least 50 years.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
party_pants said:
I am in disagreement with the proposed sequence.
Me too.
I’m OK with 1&2 but 3&4 are basically the same thing, and should be extended backwards to include mass communications (TV and Radio).
I don’t think that 3 has happened yet, except in a few niche applications. Mostly what has happened is that companies still use 2 but they shift their factories to countries with cheaper wages.
3 has happened in first world manufacturing nations like Germany and Japan. Less so in Australia where our comparitive advantage lies elsewhere.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Me too.
I’m OK with 1&2 but 3&4 are basically the same thing, and should be extended backwards to include mass communications (TV and Radio).
I don’t think that 3 has happened yet, except in a few niche applications. Mostly what has happened is that companies still use 2 but they shift their factories to countries with cheaper wages.
3 has happened in first world manufacturing nations like Germany and Japan. Less so in Australia where our comparitive advantage lies elsewhere.
It’s not all about vehicle production lines. Computerisation and automation have radically changed the way that almost everything is done over the last 50-60 years. It’s all such a normal part of day to day life that we don’t notice it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:I don’t think that 3 has happened yet, except in a few niche applications. Mostly what has happened is that companies still use 2 but they shift their factories to countries with cheaper wages.
3 has happened in first world manufacturing nations like Germany and Japan. Less so in Australia where our comparitive advantage lies elsewhere.
It’s not all about vehicle production lines. Computerisation and automation have radically changed the way that almost everything is done over the last 50-60 years. It’s all such a normal part of day to day life that we don’t notice it.
True. Food production for example.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Me too.
I’m OK with 1&2 but 3&4 are basically the same thing, and should be extended backwards to include mass communications (TV and Radio).
I don’t think that 3 has happened yet, except in a few niche applications. Mostly what has happened is that companies still use 2 but they shift their factories to countries with cheaper wages.
3 has happened in first world manufacturing nations like Germany and Japan. Less so in Australia where our comparitive advantage lies elsewhere.
Coal and Iron Ore.
PermeateFree said:
I can imagine non vaccination causes brain damage in people if they recover
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:3 has happened in first world manufacturing nations like Germany and Japan. Less so in Australia where our comparitive advantage lies elsewhere.
It’s not all about vehicle production lines. Computerisation and automation have radically changed the way that almost everything is done over the last 50-60 years. It’s all such a normal part of day to day life that we don’t notice it.
True. Food production for example.
Banking,
All branches of engineering design and detailing,
Supermarkets,
Concrete production,
Road paving
etc
etc
AwesomeO said:
Rule 303 said:
It had never occurred to me that there might be more than one recognised industrial revolution, and yet here we are:
Anyone want to take a stab at what IR V will look like?
Industrialisation and expansion of DNA technologies.
I agree. The next industrial revolution has to be genetic engineering. Not Drexler’s nanotechnology ‘engines of creation’.
As for past industrial revolutions. Hmm.
mollwollfumble said:
As for past industrial revolutions. Hmm.
- Wind mill and water power. Dykes, irrigation, stable food supply.
- Steam engine, mining, dewatering, train, revolution in weaving.
- Electricity, automobile, mass production, internal combusion, telephone.
- Plastics, miniaturisation, jet aircraft, radio, tv.
- Computer chip, automation, fly by wire, the internet, digital watches.
- GPS, mobile phone, consumer electronics, Google, ebay, the cloud.
I think the idea of Industrial Revolution is more focused on the means and methods of manufacture, than technology per se.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
The Rev Dodgson said:It’s not all about vehicle production lines. Computerisation and automation have radically changed the way that almost everything is done over the last 50-60 years. It’s all such a normal part of day to day life that we don’t notice it.
True. Food production for example.
Banking,
All branches of engineering design and detailing,
Supermarkets,
Concrete production,
Road paving
etc
etc
I suppose i was limiting myself to processes where only human supervision is now used.
Rule 303 said:
mollwollfumble said:
As for past industrial revolutions. Hmm.
- Wind mill and water power. Dykes, irrigation, stable food supply.
- Steam engine, mining, dewatering, train, revolution in weaving.
- Electricity, automobile, mass production, internal combusion, telephone.
- Plastics, miniaturisation, jet aircraft, radio, tv.
- Computer chip, automation, fly by wire, the internet, digital watches.
- GPS, mobile phone, consumer electronics, Google, ebay, the cloud.
I think the idea of Industrial Revolution is more focused on the means and methods of manufacture, than technology per se.
OK then, rewriting each of the above six steps as methods of production, keeping the sequence numbers in the OP.
IR 0 – advanced wind and water power.
IR 1 – steam power and mass production of fabrics
IR 2 – power from electricity and internal combustion, mass production of autos
IR 2.5 – mass production of plastics from refined oil, and of complex small items
IR 3 – mass production of computer chips using microscale lithography, and of devices that use them
IR 4 – globalisation of production where one product has components made in 20 or more countries.
IR 4 – globalisation of production where one product has components made in 20 or more countries
Is that good or bad, could leave you with the inability to make a product if they decide to refuse to make it.
Bad in war time if you can’t build complex weapons as you don’t have the means at home
mollwollfumble said:
Rule 303 said:
mollwollfumble said:
As for past industrial revolutions. Hmm.
- Wind mill and water power. Dykes, irrigation, stable food supply.
- Steam engine, mining, dewatering, train, revolution in weaving.
- Electricity, automobile, mass production, internal combusion, telephone.
- Plastics, miniaturisation, jet aircraft, radio, tv.
- Computer chip, automation, fly by wire, the internet, digital watches.
- GPS, mobile phone, consumer electronics, Google, ebay, the cloud.
I think the idea of Industrial Revolution is more focused on the means and methods of manufacture, than technology per se.
OK then, rewriting each of the above six steps as methods of production, keeping the sequence numbers in the OP.
IR 0 – advanced wind and water power.
IR 1 – steam power and mass production of fabrics
IR 2 – power from electricity and internal combustion, mass production of autos
IR 2.5 – mass production of plastics from refined oil, and of complex small items
IR 3 – mass production of computer chips using microscale lithography, and of devices that use them
IR 4 – globalisation of production where one product has components made in 20 or more countries.
Yeah, I think you’re still focusing on the technology, mate. While they were all very important in their own right, water, wind, steam, internal combustion, and electricity all contributed to mechanisation of the production process. It’s the mechanisation that was revolutionary.
Rule 303 said:
mollwollfumble said:
Rule 303 said:I think the idea of Industrial Revolution is more focused on the means and methods of manufacture, than technology per se.
OK then, rewriting each of the above six steps as methods of production, keeping the sequence numbers in the OP.
IR 0 – advanced wind and water power.
IR 1 – steam power and mass production of fabrics
IR 2 – power from electricity and internal combustion, mass production of autos
IR 2.5 – mass production of plastics from refined oil, and of complex small items
IR 3 – mass production of computer chips using microscale lithography, and of devices that use them
IR 4 – globalisation of production where one product has components made in 20 or more countries.
Yeah, I think you’re still focusing on the technology, mate. While they were all very important in their own right, water, wind, steam, internal combustion, and electricity all contributed to mechanisation of the production process. It’s the mechanisation that was revolutionary.
Revolutionised the family unit to your nuclear family instead of extended family
Cymek said:
Rule 303 said:
mollwollfumble said:OK then, rewriting each of the above six steps as methods of production, keeping the sequence numbers in the OP.
IR 0 – advanced wind and water power.
IR 1 – steam power and mass production of fabrics
IR 2 – power from electricity and internal combustion, mass production of autos
IR 2.5 – mass production of plastics from refined oil, and of complex small items
IR 3 – mass production of computer chips using microscale lithography, and of devices that use them
IR 4 – globalisation of production where one product has components made in 20 or more countries.
Yeah, I think you’re still focusing on the technology, mate. While they were all very important in their own right, water, wind, steam, internal combustion, and electricity all contributed to mechanisation of the production process. It’s the mechanisation that was revolutionary.
Revolutionised the family unit to your nuclear family instead of extended family
Well, yeah, the ‘original’ (British, steam, cloth) revolution led to centralisation of the work force from rural to city, rush to engage in the cash economy (rather than subsistence farming or serfdom) and gigantic social destruction.
Cymek said:
IR 4 – globalisation of production where one product has components made in 20 or more countriesIs that good or bad, could leave you with the inability to make a product if they decide to refuse to make it.
Bad in war time if you can’t build complex weapons as you don’t have the means at home
Good for civilians in wartime if nobody can build complex weapons.
Just saying.
Rule 303 said:
Well, yeah, the ‘original’ (British, steam, cloth) revolution led to centralisation of the work force from rural to city, rush to engage in the cash economy (rather than subsistence farming or serfdom) and gigantic social destruction.
Or at least, that’s the myth that Luddites would have us believe.
What makes you think it’s true?
mollwollfumble said:
Cymek said:
IR 4 – globalisation of production where one product has components made in 20 or more countriesIs that good or bad, could leave you with the inability to make a product if they decide to refuse to make it.
Bad in war time if you can’t build complex weapons as you don’t have the means at home
Good for civilians in wartime if nobody can build complex weapons.
Just saying.
Yes.
AI genetically changes humanity for its own purposes
