Any clues please?

Hang about, Mum used to have one of those. And it was scrawny too. I’ll have to get out a book though, because I can’t remember what she called it.

buffy said:

Hang about, Mum used to have one of those. And it was scrawny too. I’ll have to get out a book though, because I can’t remember what she called it.

Sounds encouraging.

Hmm, can’t see it in that book. I can tell you where it was in here garden….but I doubt that helps.

:)

buffy said:

Hmm, can’t see it in that book. I can tell you where it was in here garden….but I doubt that helps.

:)

good intentions are usually helpful. :)

Jacobinia!

buffy said:

Jacobinia!

Well done.!

This is where books of pictures have got it all over the Internet. I flicked pages scanning pictures. I was despairing, but it came up.

:)

buffy said:

This is where books of pictures have got it all over the Internet. I flicked pages scanning pictures. I was despairing, but it came up.

:)

Agree. I couldn’t find the uv transmission of window glass on the internet, so looked it up in the handbook of chemistry and physics.

mollwollfumble said:

buffy said:

This is where books of pictures have got it all over the Internet. I flicked pages scanning pictures. I was despairing, but it came up.

:)

Agree. I couldn’t find the uv transmission of window glass on the internet, so looked it up in the handbook of chemistry and physics.

Thanks. My sister discovered the answer as well. I was trying to help her. :)

Here’s one I haven’t looked up yet. May even be another import that comes with sugarcane mulch from the Big B shop.

The seeds go black.

roughbarked said:

Here’s one I haven’t looked up yet. May even be another import that comes with sugarcane mulch from the Big B shop.

The seeds go black.

Going on the calyx it would be in the Malvaceae family.

Maybe Hibiscus tridactylites?

http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=7580

Go the “Weeds of the South East” book. PF says Malvaceae. So I think marshmallow. But look! The Hibiscus are there too!

Book says “possibly native to parts of Australia”

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Here’s one I haven’t looked up yet. May even be another import that comes with sugarcane mulch from the Big B shop.

The seeds go black.

Going on the calyx it would be in the Malvaceae family.

I’ll have to agree that’s where I was thinking.

buffy said:

Maybe Hibiscus tridactylites?

http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=7580

Go the “Weeds of the South East” book. PF says Malvaceae. So I think marshmallow. But look! The Hibiscus are there too!

Book says “possibly native to parts of Australia”

Maybe Hibiscus trionium?

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Maybe Hibiscus tridactylites?

http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=7580

Go the “Weeds of the South East” book. PF says Malvaceae. So I think marshmallow. But look! The Hibiscus are there too!

Book says “possibly native to parts of Australia”

Maybe Hibiscus trionium?

Apparently erroneously named H. trionium when cultivated:

http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=7580

buffy said:

Maybe Hibiscus tridactylites?

http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=7580

Go the “Weeds of the South East” book. PF says Malvaceae. So I think marshmallow. But look! The Hibiscus are there too!

Book says “possibly native to parts of Australia”

Description and photos in Craven, L.A., de Lange, P.J., Lally, T.R., Murray, B.G. & Johnson, S.B., (2011) A taxonomic re-evaluation of Hibiscus trionum (Malvaceae) in Australasia. New Zealand Journal of Botany 49(1): 34-35, Fig 1B (leaf, page 28), Fig 2C (flower, page 29), Fig 3 (map, page 32) http://keys.lucidcentral.org/keys/v3/scotia/key/Plants%20and%20Fungi%20of%20south%20western%20NSW/Media/Html/Hibiscus_tridactylites.htm

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Maybe Hibiscus tridactylites?

http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=7580

Go the “Weeds of the South East” book. PF says Malvaceae. So I think marshmallow. But look! The Hibiscus are there too!

Book says “possibly native to parts of Australia”

Maybe Hibiscus trionium?

Apparently erroneously named H. trionium when cultivated:

http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=7580

Yes, I saw that.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

roughbarked said:

Maybe Hibiscus trionium?

Apparently erroneously named H. trionium when cultivated:

http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=7580

Yes, I saw that.

Recently separated from H. trionium is H. verdcourtii, which closely resembles the photo of rb. Note the foliage details.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0028825×.2010.542762

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Apparently erroneously named H. trionium when cultivated:

http://www.nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=7580

Yes, I saw that.

Recently separated from H. trionium is H. verdcourtii, which closely resembles the photo of rb. Note the foliage details.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0028825×.2010.542762

I note the link supplied is unavailable unless you are subscribed. However, I have found a way around to reach the full manuscript of H. verdcourtii and similar species. Again note the foliage differences.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=2ahUKEwirkLqY_PbgAhWUaCsKHaagB-sQFjAHegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tandfonline.com%2Fdoi%2Ffull%2F10.1080%2F0028825×.2010.542762&usg=AOvVaw1nYX8DEtRQVNhCClhtrOdC

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

Yes, I saw that.

Recently separated from H. trionium is H. verdcourtii, which closely resembles the photo of rb. Note the foliage details.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0028825×.2010.542762

I note the link supplied is unavailable unless you are subscribed. However, I have found a way around to reach the full manuscript of H. verdcourtii and similar species. Again note the foliage differences.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=2ahUKEwirkLqY_PbgAhWUaCsKHaagB-sQFjAHegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tandfonline.com%2Fdoi%2Ffull%2F10.1080%2F0028825×.2010.542762&usg=AOvVaw1nYX8DEtRQVNhCClhtrOdC

I note that the last link will not connect either. If interested go to: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Hibiscus+trionium
The eighth link down titled: A taxonomic re-evaluation of Hibiscus trionum (Malvaceae) in …, which if you click on that, it should take you to the paper.

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

Recently separated from H. trionium is H. verdcourtii, which closely resembles the photo of rb. Note the foliage details.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0028825×.2010.542762

I note the link supplied is unavailable unless you are subscribed. However, I have found a way around to reach the full manuscript of H. verdcourtii and similar species. Again note the foliage differences.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=2ahUKEwirkLqY_PbgAhWUaCsKHaagB-sQFjAHegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tandfonline.com%2Fdoi%2Ffull%2F10.1080%2F0028825×.2010.542762&usg=AOvVaw1nYX8DEtRQVNhCClhtrOdC

I note that the last link will not connect either. If interested go to: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Hibiscus+trionium
The eighth link down titled: A taxonomic re-evaluation of Hibiscus trionum (Malvaceae) in …, which if you click on that, it should take you to the paper.

I had the .pdf, when Buffy and I waer talking earlier.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

I note the link supplied is unavailable unless you are subscribed. However, I have found a way around to reach the full manuscript of H. verdcourtii and similar species. Again note the foliage differences.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=2ahUKEwirkLqY_PbgAhWUaCsKHaagB-sQFjAHegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tandfonline.com%2Fdoi%2Ffull%2F10.1080%2F0028825×.2010.542762&usg=AOvVaw1nYX8DEtRQVNhCClhtrOdC

I note that the last link will not connect either. If interested go to: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Hibiscus+trionium
The eighth link down titled: A taxonomic re-evaluation of Hibiscus trionum (Malvaceae) in …, which if you click on that, it should take you to the paper.

I had the .pdf, when Buffy and I waer talking earlier.

Therefore you knew your plant was H. verdcourtii?

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

I note that the last link will not connect either. If interested go to: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Hibiscus+trionium
The eighth link down titled: A taxonomic re-evaluation of Hibiscus trionum (Malvaceae) in …, which if you click on that, it should take you to the paper.

I had the .pdf, when Buffy and I waer talking earlier.

Therefore you knew your plant was H. verdcourtii?

I had read it by then, yes.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I had the .pdf, when Buffy and I waer talking earlier.

Therefore you knew your plant was H. verdcourtii?

I had read it by then, yes.

Shame you didn’t say, would have saved me a lot of time messing around trying to highlight the differences.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Therefore you knew your plant was H. verdcourtii?

I had read it by then, yes.

Shame you didn’t say, would have saved me a lot of time messing around trying to highlight the differences.

I wasn’t at the computer the whole time. I do other things as well.

What mostly concerns me apart from identifying the interloper, is why it has reoccurred in exactly the same place three years running when I have carefully removed all seed formed before it is ripe?

roughbarked said:

What mostly concerns me apart from identifying the interloper, is why it has reoccurred in exactly the same place three years running when I have carefully removed all seed formed before it is ripe?

Someone is planting it there

roughbarked said:

What mostly concerns me apart from identifying the interloper, is why it has reoccurred in exactly the same place three years running when I have carefully removed all seed formed before it is ripe?

Yes. I have also removed the plant. There has only ever been the one. Perhaps I haven’t moved it carefully enough and if so why hasn’t it spread?

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

What mostly concerns me apart from identifying the interloper, is why it has reoccurred in exactly the same place three years running when I have carefully removed all seed formed before it is ripe?

Someone is planting it there

I never discount those animals otherwise known as birds.

roughbarked said:

Cymek said:

roughbarked said:

What mostly concerns me apart from identifying the interloper, is why it has reoccurred in exactly the same place three years running when I have carefully removed all seed formed before it is ripe?

Someone is planting it there

I never discount those animals otherwise known as birds.

I’m seemingly constant in walking out into my bit of plantation bushland with a mattock to get the African Boxthorn that the birds have planted.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

What mostly concerns me apart from identifying the interloper, is why it has reoccurred in exactly the same place three years running when I have carefully removed all seed formed before it is ripe?

Yes. I have also removed the plant. There has only ever been the one. Perhaps I haven’t moved it carefully enough and if so why hasn’t it spread?

Perhaps the issue relates to the radical tissue remnant?

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

What mostly concerns me apart from identifying the interloper, is why it has reoccurred in exactly the same place three years running when I have carefully removed all seed formed before it is ripe?

Yes. I have also removed the plant. There has only ever been the one. Perhaps I haven’t moved it carefully enough and if so why hasn’t it spread?

Perhaps the issue relates to the radical tissue remnant?

From reading, there doesn’t seem to have been any records.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. I have also removed the plant. There has only ever been the one. Perhaps I haven’t moved it carefully enough and if so why hasn’t it spread?

Perhaps the issue relates to the radical tissue remnant?

From reading, there doesn’t seem to have been any records.

Nothing at all like the Casuarina or Allocasuaraina cristata(male form). I was prone to suggest to people who wanted a hedge type winbreak of this tree that I’d love to be able to assure them that all my seedlings were male but that this could only be attained by cloning or usiing root suckers.
Well, I did keep three males from the old nursery and I have now got root suckers since the time when I cut down the tree and painted the cuts with glyphosate. planted tomatoes and now the tomatoes didn’t really survive the hot spell and there are root suckers everywhere.

Is this still the Hibiscus? Wasn’t it decided it might be native? I haven’t kept up with this thread.

buffy said:

Is this still the Hibiscus? Wasn’t it decided it might be native? I haven’t kept up with this thread.

might be native is still a controversy. Naturalised is the term I come up against mostly.
Yes.
Same Hibiscus.

roughbarked said:

buffy said:

Is this still the Hibiscus? Wasn’t it decided it might be native? I haven’t kept up with this thread.

might be native is still a controversy. Naturalised is the term I come up against mostly.
Yes.
Same Hibiscus.

It is a recognised native species, but a weedy one of disturbed soil.

I had a look at your link to ‘A taxonomic re-evaluation of Hibiscus trionum (Malvaceae) in Australasia’ gained via google link to Hibiscus tridactylites, which only has the “abstract” and not the details, so no wonder your replies to me did not match. If you want to read the paper which has a very good distribution map, you will need to follow what I stated in an earlier post.

“If interested go to: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Hibiscus+trionium The eighth link down titled: A taxonomic re-evaluation of Hibiscus trionum (Malvaceae) in …, which if you click on that, it should take you to the paper.”