If you were to test a baby using the standard tests for mental illness in adults, what would the diagnosis be?

Or to put it another way, if an adult was to behave exactly like a baby, what combination of mental illnesses would they have?

Severe mental retardation is a given. Not schizophrenia, paranoia, Freudian sex-related.

But what about more subtle? Would the diagnosis include autism, or bipolar, or borderline personality disorder or other empathy-deficit disorders?

I’m asking this because I’m starting to wonder if an attraction to babies could help to explain the poor choices that some people continually make as regards partners and pets. Such as Bonnie and Clyde syndrome.

certainly developmental trajectory, progression, what is typically expected contrasted with what happens (a range has to be used) to apply normal/abnormal.

What?

kii said:

What?

The secret is to place pieces of paper into a bag, each having one word written on it, then take some out and one by one, join them up until they resemble a sentence.

PermeateFree said:

kii said:

What?

The secret is to place pieces of paper into a bag, each having one word written on it, then take some out and one by one, join them up until they resemble a sentence.

It is more complex than that. I reckon random thoughts placed in a blender and then made into a buttercream cake with rabbits running on top.

kii said:

PermeateFree said:

kii said:

What?

The secret is to place pieces of paper into a bag, each having one word written on it, then take some out and one by one, join them up until they resemble a sentence.

It is more complex than that. I reckon random thoughts placed in a blender and then made into a buttercream cake with rabbits running on top.

Random thoughts placed in a blender was actually a recent thread about creativity, creativity type number 2. Here is a buttercream cake with rabbits running on top.

I was having trouble picking a title for this thread that was non-sexist.

I could have said – no I couldn’t. Anyway, I’m testing out a hypothesis about why a particular otherwise intelligent sane woman keeps picking partners who are very seriously mentally ill. There was a book about this. “Smart women – foolish choices”.

mollwollfumble said:

kii said:

PermeateFree said:

The secret is to place pieces of paper into a bag, each having one word written on it, then take some out and one by one, join them up until they resemble a sentence.

It is more complex than that. I reckon random thoughts placed in a blender and then made into a buttercream cake with rabbits running on top.

Random thoughts placed in a blender was actually a recent thread about creativity, creativity type number 2. Here is a buttercream cake with rabbits running on top.

I was having trouble picking a title for this thread that was non-sexist.

I could have said – no I couldn’t. Anyway, I’m testing out a hypothesis about why a particular otherwise intelligent sane woman keeps picking partners who are very seriously mentally ill. There was a book about this. “Smart women – foolish choices”.

It’s a bit more complex than I am able to explain.

Strangely, when we were in the hardware shop yesterday I came across a toddler having a tantrum on the floor in the aisle for hooks and fasteners. Her mum was just watching her, waiting. I commented to the bub…yeah, I feel like doing that right now :D Mum laughed and agreed, but we didn’t. The child looked at me and cried louder, then let her mum pick her up.

mollwollfumble said:

Anyway, I’m testing out a hypothesis about why a particular otherwise intelligent sane woman keeps picking partners who are very seriously mentally ill. There was a book about this. “Smart women – foolish choices”.

So it isn’t only men who think with their dick?

Now, is this question about a woman picking a partner for the purposes of getting the best possible baby or picking for the best possible life partner? You should really stop picking pieces of paper or blending the words.

I thought this was a response to last night’s interview with Octomom on telly.

Other than that, I don’t understand the question.

Morning pilgrims, cool and overcast.

mollwollfumble said:

If you were to test a baby using the standard tests for mental illness in adults, what would the diagnosis be?

Or to put it another way, if an adult was to behave exactly like a baby, what combination of mental illnesses would they have?

Severe mental retardation is a given. Not schizophrenia, paranoia, Freudian sex-related.

But what about more subtle? Would the diagnosis include autism, or bipolar, or borderline personality disorder or other empathy-deficit disorders?

I’m asking this because I’m starting to wonder if an attraction to babies could help to explain the poor choices that some people continually make as regards partners and pets. Such as Bonnie and Clyde syndrome.

I know of (roughly half of) the entire population of an entire CUNTry that did that.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Anyway, I’m testing out a hypothesis about why a particular otherwise intelligent sane woman keeps picking partners who are very seriously mentally ill. There was a book about this. “Smart women – foolish choices”.

So it isn’t only men who think with their dick?

Now, is this question about a woman picking a partner for the purposes of getting the best possible baby or picking for the best possible life partner? You should really stop picking pieces of paper or blending the words.

No, t’other way around. That women without babies pick partners and pets that are substitute babies, just as wayward and difficult to care for. For partners (of both sexes), that implies seeking out partners with mental illnesses.

Hypothesis in need of testing.

cognitive holes are not uncommon, you can fall into them or get sucked into them, thinking the unthought, sort of thing you want to observe from a distance, conjecture the details, softly. No point going front-on, looking the beast in the eye.

mollwollfumble said:

kii said:

PermeateFree said:

The secret is to place pieces of paper into a bag, each having one word written on it, then take some out and one by one, join them up until they resemble a sentence.

It is more complex than that. I reckon random thoughts placed in a blender and then made into a buttercream cake with rabbits running on top.

Random thoughts placed in a blender was actually a recent thread about creativity, creativity type number 2. Here is a buttercream cake with rabbits running on top.

I was having trouble picking a title for this thread that was non-sexist.

I could have said – no I couldn’t. Anyway, I’m testing out a hypothesis about why a particular otherwise intelligent sane woman keeps picking partners who are very seriously mentally ill. There was a book about this. “Smart women – foolish choices”.

Many reasons I imagine, wanting to fix them, the excitement of uncertainty, nurture, manipulative men that fool her.
Human interpersonal relationships are annoying most of the time, the constant drive to find a partner to me comes across as desperation and compromise, easier to get a pet for the company and a computer, tv and a hobby for entertainment

>If you were to test a baby using the standard tests for mental illness in adults, what would the diagnosis be?

it’s an interesting question, in ways.

say you’re a transplant backyarder, were short on baby bodies for a body transplant for a baby, instead inserted the brain in an adult body, then dropped the baby-brained-adult-sized-human (excuse the explosion of hyphens there) into the cognitive specialist and didn’t tell the specialist of the situation, left the specialist to figure it out. Ignore for a moment the creature is going to be physically examined and the brain transplant revealed, or speculated (eventually), followed by various inquiries directed at the caregiver, along with a search of medical records, followed by scans. That’s a lot to ignore, even for a crazy hypothetical.

making my head spin thinking about it. Reckon they’d be looking for serious stroke, for starters, try to resolve the anomaly that way.

transition said:

>If you were to test a baby using the standard tests for mental illness in adults, what would the diagnosis be?

it’s an interesting question, in ways.

say you’re a transplant backyarder, were short on baby bodies for a body transplant for a baby, instead inserted the brain in an adult body, then dropped the baby-brained-adult-sized-human (excuse the explosion of hyphens there) into the cognitive specialist and didn’t tell the specialist of the situation, left the specialist to figure it out. Ignore for a moment the creature is going to be physically examined and the brain transplant revealed, or speculated (eventually), followed by various inquiries directed at the caregiver, along with a search of medical records, followed by scans. That’s a lot to ignore, even for a crazy hypothetical.

making my head spin thinking about it. Reckon they’d be looking for serious stroke, for starters, try to resolve the anomaly that way.

Thanks, transition.

I’ve got through Chapter 1 of DSM-IV “Disorders usually first diagnosed in infancy, childhood or adolescence”.

This is as much a test of the logical rigour of DSM-IV as it is of anything else.

Because many evaluation criteria are related back to age or “appropriate developmental level”, we can rule them out for babies.

There is no consistent criteria in the book for evaluating Asperger’s – at any age. This is a massive failure of methodology.

There is no consistent criteria in the book for evaluating Mental Retardation, or Developmental Coordination Disorder for babies. One cannot use an IQ test on newborns, they would fail and, although this is recognised in DSM-IV, no substitute is offered.

Taking the strict letter of the evaluation criteria, all babies would be wrongly diagnosed with

• Early Onset Separation Anxiety Disorder
• Selective Mutism
  because no lower age limit is specified for these.

Babies only miss out on being diagnosed with Autism by a whisker. Probably someone has thought this through carefully in order to specifically exclude babies.

An adult behaving as a baby would get a diagnosis of

• Profound Mental Retardation
• Developmental Coordination Disorder
• Pervasive Development Disorder

Rule out Tourette’s.

So much for Chapter 1.

Aren’t there severely developmentally retarded individuals that are basically babies in adult bodies?

I can remember there being a question raised a few years ago about the ethics of giving children like this growth limiting hormones/drugs so that when they are adults, they are easier to care for.

Anyway, since these types of people exist, can’t we just look at what they are diagnosed with, rather than speculating?

As for your larger premise, about people who look for partners/pets that can simulate a baby, I think that’s a far more interesting thing to explore.