There’s a growing push to give nature legal rights, but what would that mean?
But while there’s evidence that anthropomorphism can help foster empathy and respect for the environment, there’s a movement of people arguing that metaphors don’t carry the legal clout needed to ward off what the UN has described as an impending “planetary catastrophe”.
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I don’t think it means anything.
dv said:
I don’t think it means anything.
How can it not mean anything? Presumably the legislation would be written in meaningful language.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I don’t think it means anything.
How can it not mean anything? Presumably the legislation would be written in meaningful language.
lawyer talk =/= meaningful language
;-)
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
I don’t think it means anything.
How can it not mean anything? Presumably the legislation would be written in meaningful language.
lawyer talk =/= meaningful language
;-)
A lot of people aren’t sure what nature is.
dv said:
I don’t think it means anything.
This is to declare nature terra nullius.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I don’t think it means anything.
This is to declare nature terra nullius.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
dv said:
I don’t think it means anything.
This is to declare nature terra nullius.
It will give the lawyers another rich field to mine.
Well it is certain that the lawyers will do all the talking on the account of nature.
didn’t read it all, the thought of creeping human (mental, and legal) constructions being expanded to nature doesn’t hearten me, people have problems with even the most simple constructions, the notions from, in fact many people are unable to differentiate between the projections of minds (representations) and the things themselves, the former seem to attain status higher than the latter, and that’s a long way from nature, unless you’re a twisted authoritarian of some description. But maybe that already got here, just on the numbers, the force.
certainly Act of God might have to be reconsidered, for insurers etc.
there are too many humans by the way. Try saying it.
transition said:
didn’t read it all, the thought of creeping human (mental, and legal) constructions being expanded to nature doesn’t hearten me, people have problems with even the most simple constructions, the notions from, in fact many people are unable to differentiate between the projections of minds (representations) and the things themselves, the former seem to attain status higher than the latter, and that’s a long way from nature, unless you’re a twisted authoritarian of some description. But maybe that already got here, just on the numbers, the force.certainly Act of God might have to be reconsidered, for insurers etc.
there are too many humans by the way. Try saying it.
:)
Well there was that chimp who had legal rights over his own selfie.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute
Similar copyright laws exist for animal art.
act of god is no longer used by insurers it is act of nature i thought.
ChrispenEvan said:
act of god is no longer used by insurers it is act of nature i thought.
A natural disaster.
Trevor at 8am
transition said:
didn’t read it all, the thought of creeping human (mental, and legal) constructions being expanded to nature doesn’t hearten me, people have problems with even the most simple constructions, the notions from, in fact many people are unable to differentiate between the projections of minds (representations) and the things themselves, the former seem to attain status higher than the latter, and that’s a long way from nature, unless you’re a twisted authoritarian of some description. But maybe that already got here, just on the numbers, the force.certainly Act of God might have to be reconsidered, for insurers etc.
there are too many humans by the way. Try saying it.
i’m seeing shades of environmental determinism in emerging social and political philosophy, it’s very wrong-headed.
the idiot in NZ was sprouting the nonsense leading up to his nasty works.
it’d be a strange turnout if media became your dominant environment (which for many it is), and the estrangement (distortions) and unacknowledged trauma of detachment from the natural environment (which ought be more mundane experience) had people lurch toward the paradox to maintain it.
consciousness (variously, of some) are attracted toward contradictions they can’t fathom (to fix them).
i’d caution against any shades of environmental determinism as a program, social or political.
ChrispenEvan said:
act of god is no longer used by insurers it is act of nature i thought.
same idea
Tamb said:
Trevor at 8am
Oops, sorry rong fred.
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
act of god is no longer used by insurers it is act of nature i thought.
same idea
Wonder could one sue for loss of head to the fanatical nature of a fundamentalist nutjob?
Tamb said:
Tamb said:
Trevor at 8am
Oops, sorry rong fred.
Dunno, it is all about nature.
roughbarked said:
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
act of god is no longer used by insurers it is act of nature i thought.
same idea
Wonder could one sue for loss of head to the fanatical nature of a fundamentalist nutjob?
Sue nature for storm damage?
transition said:
ChrispenEvan said:
act of god is no longer used by insurers it is act of nature i thought.
same idea
maybe but it is nice to use the right terminology where possible.
Tamb said:
Tamb said:
Trevor at 8am
Oops, sorry rong fred.
Not really. Trev is one of nature’s expressions.
we could give it economic value
oh wait we scrapped those carbon pricing ideas in our almost infinite wisdom long ago
Michael V said:
Tamb said:
Tamb said:
Trevor at 8am
Oops, sorry rong fred.
Not really. Trev is one of nature’s expressions.
tao
SCIENCE said:
we could give it economic valueoh wait we scrapped those carbon pricing ideas in our almost infinite wisdom long ago
We could think of leaving it all in a fit state for our descendants .
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:
Tamb said:Oops, sorry rong fred.
Not really. Trev is one of nature’s expressions.
tao
Him too.
Michael V said:
SCIENCE said:
Michael V said:Not really. Trev is one of nature’s expressions.
tao
Him too.
Baba Ram Das, Be here now.
probably going to get my internet turned off soon. they, the nbn, are doing upgrades to the towers apparently.
ChrispenEvan said:
probably going to get my internet turned off soon. they, the nbn, are doing upgrades to the towers apparently.
Gee, they’re nice people.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
probably going to get my internet turned off soon. they, the nbn, are doing upgrades to the towers apparently.
Gee, they’re nice people.
i knew that’d make your day. probably back around 6 or so.
roughbarked said:
The first wild eastern bettongs born on Australia’s mainland in a century have all been killed
What did these stupid, stupid people expect? If they had had a chance of survival, they would be there naturally and not need re-introduction. These feel good experiments get on my fking nerves. Such a waste!
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
The first wild eastern bettongs born on Australia’s mainland in a century have all been killed
What did these stupid, stupid people expect? If they had had a chance of survival, they would be there naturally and not need re-introduction. These feel good experiments get on my fking nerves. Such a waste!
My feelings as well.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
The first wild eastern bettongs born on Australia’s mainland in a century have all been killed
What did these stupid, stupid people expect? If they had had a chance of survival, they would be there naturally and not need re-introduction. These feel good experiments get on my fking nerves. Such a waste!
A phased rollout with supervision by humans or drones should have been used.
If they can do that with the next lot, it might lead to some success, once causes are identified like feral cats.
tag the animals using small solar powered / battery devices
Drones can follow the animals, kill feral cats etc.
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
The first wild eastern bettongs born on Australia’s mainland in a century have all been killed
What did these stupid, stupid people expect? If they had had a chance of survival, they would be there naturally and not need re-introduction. These feel good experiments get on my fking nerves. Such a waste!
>>Mr Iglesias said the next step was to analyse the trial’s findings to determine how best to turn that early success into a long-term strategy.
“One of the greatest questions for conservation in Australia is how can we reintroduce animals into an environment where there’s predators like foxes,” he said.<<
This bloke is a total idiot, it has been proven time and time again that these small animals need protection from cats and foxes. Simply if they didn’t they would still be around. How do these ignorant fuckwits get into the position to determine these things?
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
The first wild eastern bettongs born on Australia’s mainland in a century have all been killed
What did these stupid, stupid people expect? If they had had a chance of survival, they would be there naturally and not need re-introduction. These feel good experiments get on my fking nerves. Such a waste!
A phased rollout with supervision by humans or drones should have been used.
If they can do that with the next lot, it might lead to some success, once causes are identified like feral cats.
tag the animals using small solar powered / battery devices
Drones can follow the animals, kill feral cats etc.
No. Release them into a quarrantined enclosure known to be free of foxes and cats.
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
The first wild eastern bettongs born on Australia’s mainland in a century have all been killed
What did these stupid, stupid people expect? If they had had a chance of survival, they would be there naturally and not need re-introduction. These feel good experiments get on my fking nerves. Such a waste!
A phased rollout with supervision by humans or drones should have been used.
If they can do that with the next lot, it might lead to some success, once causes are identified like feral cats.
tag the animals using small solar powered / battery devices
Drones can follow the animals, kill feral cats etc.
Wish we could all live in your world Tau.
PermeateFree said:
PermeateFree said:
roughbarked said:
The first wild eastern bettongs born on Australia’s mainland in a century have all been killed
What did these stupid, stupid people expect? If they had had a chance of survival, they would be there naturally and not need re-introduction. These feel good experiments get on my fking nerves. Such a waste!
>>Mr Iglesias said the next step was to analyse the trial’s findings to determine how best to turn that early success into a long-term strategy.
“One of the greatest questions for conservation in Australia is how can we reintroduce animals into an environment where there’s predators like foxes,” he said.<<
This bloke is a total idiot, it has been proven time and time again that these small animals need protection from cats and foxes. Simply if they didn’t they would still be around. How do these ignorant fuckwits get into the position to determine these things?
Question impossible.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:What did these stupid, stupid people expect? If they had had a chance of survival, they would be there naturally and not need re-introduction. These feel good experiments get on my fking nerves. Such a waste!
A phased rollout with supervision by humans or drones should have been used.
If they can do that with the next lot, it might lead to some success, once causes are identified like feral cats.
tag the animals using small solar powered / battery devices
Drones can follow the animals, kill feral cats etc.
No. Release them into a quarrantined enclosure known to be free of foxes and cats.
No get rid of the cats and foxes first then release them with some supervision.
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:What did these stupid, stupid people expect? If they had had a chance of survival, they would be there naturally and not need re-introduction. These feel good experiments get on my fking nerves. Such a waste!
A phased rollout with supervision by humans or drones should have been used.
If they can do that with the next lot, it might lead to some success, once causes are identified like feral cats.
tag the animals using small solar powered / battery devices
Drones can follow the animals, kill feral cats etc.
Wish we could all live in your world Tau.
We need to get rid of the cats and foxes
I don’t see why we need another world to get rid of them.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A phased rollout with supervision by humans or drones should have been used.
If they can do that with the next lot, it might lead to some success, once causes are identified like feral cats.
tag the animals using small solar powered / battery devices
Drones can follow the animals, kill feral cats etc.
No. Release them into a quarrantined enclosure known to be free of foxes and cats.
No get rid of the cats and foxes first then release them with some supervision.
If the cats and foxes could have at least been reduced in severity as we did with rabbits, don’t you think it would have been done?
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A phased rollout with supervision by humans or drones should have been used.
If they can do that with the next lot, it might lead to some success, once causes are identified like feral cats.
tag the animals using small solar powered / battery devices
Drones can follow the animals, kill feral cats etc.
Wish we could all live in your world Tau.
We need to get rid of the cats and foxes
I don’t see why we need another world to get rid of them.
Their own. Put them back where they came from.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:No. Release them into a quarrantined enclosure known to be free of foxes and cats.
No get rid of the cats and foxes first then release them with some supervision.
If the cats and foxes could have at least been reduced in severity as we did with rabbits, don’t you think it would have been done?
It can be done and should be done.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:No get rid of the cats and foxes first then release them with some supervision.
If the cats and foxes could have at least been reduced in severity as we did with rabbits, don’t you think it would have been done?
It can be done and should be done.
and your solution is? and leave drones out of it unless they are a segment of a broader strategy.
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:A phased rollout with supervision by humans or drones should have been used.
If they can do that with the next lot, it might lead to some success, once causes are identified like feral cats.
tag the animals using small solar powered / battery devices
Drones can follow the animals, kill feral cats etc.
Wish we could all live in your world Tau.
We need to get rid of the cats and foxes
I don’t see why we need another world to get rid of them.
Tau, you have absolutely no idea of the extent of the problem. The ONLY way to get rid of these predators is by biological control, which will bring out all the raving loony cat lovers, which are a big political force. To simply say we should get rid of cats and foxes are just meaningless words unless you have the capability to do so, and we don’t!
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:If the cats and foxes could have at least been reduced in severity as we did with rabbits, don’t you think it would have been done?
It can be done and should be done.
and your solution is? and leave drones out of it unless they are a segment of a broader strategy.
eg; I taught my children that if they wanted pets they’d have to be something that was either wild in the garden or budgies or fish. They chose budgies over me importing a tiger.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It can be done and should be done.
and your solution is? and leave drones out of it unless they are a segment of a broader strategy.
eg; I taught my children that if they wanted pets they’d have to be something that was either wild in the garden or budgies or fish. They chose budgies over me importing a tiger.
and they still are in awe of the fact that our backyard has always been a haven for so many wild things. Build it and they will come or be there where they have always landed and offer them more food plants.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:If the cats and foxes could have at least been reduced in severity as we did with rabbits, don’t you think it would have been done?
It can be done and should be done.
and your solution is? and leave drones out of it unless they are a segment of a broader strategy.
Use rotating crews from work for the dole
they can learn to set up camp and pull down as well.
and they get rewarded for each cat or fox killed
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It can be done and should be done.
and your solution is? and leave drones out of it unless they are a segment of a broader strategy.
Use rotating crews from work for the dole
they can learn to set up camp and pull down as well.
and they get rewarded for each cat or fox killed
Better still. Have them under supervision of our otherwise stood down military personnel.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:It can be done and should be done.
and your solution is? and leave drones out of it unless they are a segment of a broader strategy.
Use rotating crews from work for the dole
they can learn to set up camp and pull down as well.
and they get rewarded for each cat or fox killed
or
inject a few cats and foxes with a virus that spreads through sexual contact and wipes them out
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:and your solution is? and leave drones out of it unless they are a segment of a broader strategy.
Use rotating crews from work for the dole
they can learn to set up camp and pull down as well.
and they get rewarded for each cat or fox killed
or
inject a few cats and foxes with a virus that spreads through sexual contact and wipes them out
Write up a broader strategy for us to peruse.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:and your solution is? and leave drones out of it unless they are a segment of a broader strategy.
Use rotating crews from work for the dole
they can learn to set up camp and pull down as well.
and they get rewarded for each cat or fox killed
Better still. Have them under supervision of our otherwise stood down military personnel.
and they work outwards from a planed center and work outwards from that circle in a few rotating groups that move camp once an area has been cleared.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Use rotating crews from work for the dole
they can learn to set up camp and pull down as well.
and they get rewarded for each cat or fox killed
or
inject a few cats and foxes with a virus that spreads through sexual contact and wipes them out
Write up a broader strategy for us to peruse.
I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:or
inject a few cats and foxes with a virus that spreads through sexual contact and wipes them out
Write up a broader strategy for us to peruse.
I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
from selected areas, which are fenced it can be done, and has been done. Australia wide is highly unlikely.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:or
inject a few cats and foxes with a virus that spreads through sexual contact and wipes them out
Write up a broader strategy for us to peruse.
I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
That’s the first imperative. To believe that a strategy can be found. The next step is to study the strategies that failed.
ChrispenEvan said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:Write up a broader strategy for us to peruse.
I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
from selected areas, which are fenced it can be done, and has been done. Australia wide is highly unlikely.
many generations of more predator free enclosures and maybe there can be enough to allow the starving foxes in to be slaughtered?
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:or
inject a few cats and foxes with a virus that spreads through sexual contact and wipes them out
Write up a broader strategy for us to peruse.
I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:Write up a broader strategy for us to peruse.
I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Are you kidding?
ChrispenEvan said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:Write up a broader strategy for us to peruse.
I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
from selected areas, which are fenced it can be done, and has been done. Australia wide is highly unlikely.
Use crews around built up cites and country towns, then drones can be rolled out for the outback
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Are you kidding?
why not? we aren’t unique.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Are you kidding?
It is feasible on certain small islands and though Australia is an island, it is a very big one.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Are you kidding?
why not? we aren’t unique.
We are unique in that we introduced these ferals wherever we went.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Are you kidding?
Ok, use fenced off areas as ChrispenEvan pointed out.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:Are you kidding?
why not? we aren’t unique.
We are unique in that we introduced these ferals wherever we went.
and we didn’t do that in other countries that have feral problems?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:Write up a broader strategy for us to peruse.
I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Are you kidding?
Ok, use fenced off areas as ChrispenEvan pointed out.
It is the only way and you still aren’t reading my posts in their fullsome context.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:why not? we aren’t unique.
We are unique in that we introduced these ferals wherever we went.
and we didn’t do that in other countries that have feral problems?
Of course we did but it is here where the problem is the most problematic. So we should really be looking mainly at our own successes.
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
posted this before. great idea but wont cure the problem alone. probably ok to clear out a fenced area though
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-18/feral-cat-management-in-the-apy-lands/9269240
Can we start a rumour that cat and fox bits are even more effective than donkey hides and rhino horn in Chinese medicine. I reckon that might just work.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
posted this before. great idea but wont cure the problem alone. probably ok to clear out a fenced area though
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-18/feral-cat-management-in-the-apy-lands/9269240
and I said, the more the merrier. That eventually we should have enough to open a couple here and there to entice the starving foxes in to their death. It is going to take many human generations but it is feasible. We’d lose a lot of revenue on iron ore we didn’t export though.
ruby said:
Can we start a rumour that cat and fox bits are even more effective than donkey hides and rhino horn in Chinese medicine. I reckon that might just work.
I love a great mind. :)
roughbarked said:
ruby said:
Can we start a rumour that cat and fox bits are even more effective than donkey hides and rhino horn in Chinese medicine. I reckon that might just work.
I love a great mind. :)
though getting rid of the feral donks here would be good too.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ruby said:
Can we start a rumour that cat and fox bits are even more effective than donkey hides and rhino horn in Chinese medicine. I reckon that might just work.
I love a great mind. :)
though getting rid of the feral donks here would be good too.
Nods.
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I’m a visual artist and creative thinker
not a strategist
but a strategy for removing these cats and foxes is not impossible
Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
Wingers and naysayers annoy me!!!
Rome was not built in a day!!
We have been here for 400 odd years with our cats and foxes etc
The only way it seems to get rid of the cats and foxes is to use people and drones and that may take a long time maybe fifty to two hundred+ years to get rid of them.
If smarter ways can be found, then that time is reduced and costs are also reduced
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:I love a great mind. :)
though getting rid of the feral donks here would be good too.
Nods.
Australia really should be aware thaht it is still largely a primary industry exporter and all the while we have had at hand enormous resources of feral animals, either whole and live shipped or in various delicacy or medicinal bits.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
posted this before. great idea but wont cure the problem alone. probably ok to clear out a fenced area though
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-18/feral-cat-management-in-the-apy-lands/9269240
You would need to select the area it could be used. I would imagine wombats, surviving native cats, wallabies and other animals would be in danger of a spray. This is one of the problems we have with our such diverse habitats and the animals surviving within them. Plus imagine the number of machines you would need and the people to maintain them. Biological control is the only way to get on top of the problem, anything else is tinkering around the edges, especially when these predators can replace themselves so quickly.
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
Wingers and naysayers annoy me!!!
Rome was not built in a day!!
We have been here for 400 odd years with our cats and foxes etc
The only way it seems to get rid of the cats and foxes is to use people and drones and that may take a long time maybe fifty to two hundred+ years to get rid of them.
If smarter ways can be found, then that time is reduced and costs are also reduced
did you miss the right number on the pad?
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
posted this before. great idea but wont cure the problem alone. probably ok to clear out a fenced area though
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-18/feral-cat-management-in-the-apy-lands/9269240
You would need to select the area it could be used. I would imagine wombats, surviving native cats, wallabies and other animals would be in danger of a spray. This is one of the problems we have with our such diverse habitats and the animals surviving within them. Plus imagine the number of machines you would need and the people to maintain them. Biological control is the only way to get on top of the problem, anything else is tinkering around the edges, especially when these predators can replace themselves so quickly.
You’d still have to fence them out of sensitive areas.
a funny, if somewhat rotten, story concerning donkeys. was up in the Kimberley a few years ago. driving off tracks or tracks that hadn’t been used for years. came across a jack having its way with a jenny. saw us and disengaged. both bolted through the spinifex. Poor male…
Maybe the next government can create a few working teams trained and moving camp as areas are fenced and cleared.
ChrispenEvan said:
a funny, if somewhat rotten, story concerning donkeys. was up in the Kimberley a few years ago. driving off tracks or tracks that hadn’t been used for years. came across a jack having its way with a jenny. saw us and disengaged. both bolted through the spinifex. Poor male…
ooh.. ouchies!
Tau.Neutrino said:
Maybe the next government can create a few working teams trained and moving camp as areas are fenced and cleared.
These things have been proposed so many times before.
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Other countries methods of getting rid of introduced ferals would be interesting to look at.
Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
Wingers and naysayers annoy me!!!
Rome was not built in a day!!
We have been here for 400 odd years with our cats and foxes etc
The only way it seems to get rid of the cats and foxes is to use people and drones and that may take a long time maybe fifty to two hundred+ years to get rid of them.
If smarter ways can be found, then that time is reduced and costs are also reduced
Considering they can replace their numbers within 1-2 years, you might need to be more imaginative than you indicate. A great deal of work has been done over the years and we have learnt that certain environmental conditions will assist in the survival of certain native animals, but sooner or later things change like bushfires and you are back to square one, but with a steady spiraling down of native populations.
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:
ruby said:
Can we start a rumour that cat and fox bits are even more effective than donkey hides and rhino horn in Chinese medicine. I reckon that might just work.
I love a great mind. :)
though getting rid of the feral donks here would be good too.
And pigs.
Tau.Neutrino said:
creative thinker
Show working:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
Wingers and naysayers annoy me!!!
Rome was not built in a day!!
We have been here for 400 odd years with our cats and foxes etc
The only way it seems to get rid of the cats and foxes is to use people and drones and that may take a long time maybe fifty to two hundred+ years to get rid of them.
If smarter ways can be found, then that time is reduced and costs are also reduced
Considering they can replace their numbers within 1-2 years, you might need to be more imaginative than you indicate. A great deal of work has been done over the years and we have learnt that certain environmental conditions will assist in the survival of certain native animals, but sooner or later things change like bushfires and you are back to square one, but with a steady spiraling down of native populations.
It is a very very hard road, the road back.
We are often met with many places where native plants find it difficult to eastablish a population.Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:I love a great mind. :)
though getting rid of the feral donks here would be good too.
And pigs.
Eric Rolls: They all ran Wild.
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
PermeateFree said:Jesus Tau, do you think there are not people who desperately want to get rid of these predators and have been doing their best for decades. The problem is absolutely huge with millions upon millions of predators that can double their population in 1-2 years. Have you ever been around this country, because it is huge and takes days to drive from one side to the other and you want to track down and kill every cat and fox?
Wingers and naysayers annoy me!!!
Rome was not built in a day!!
We have been here for 400 odd years with our cats and foxes etc
The only way it seems to get rid of the cats and foxes is to use people and drones and that may take a long time maybe fifty to two hundred+ years to get rid of them.
If smarter ways can be found, then that time is reduced and costs are also reduced
did you miss the right number on the pad?
I did
231 years
I reckon we could do it in fifty years
We do have the capability to do it
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Wingers and naysayers annoy me!!!
Rome was not built in a day!!
We have been here for 400 odd years with our cats and foxes etc
The only way it seems to get rid of the cats and foxes is to use people and drones and that may take a long time maybe fifty to two hundred+ years to get rid of them.
If smarter ways can be found, then that time is reduced and costs are also reduced
did you miss the right number on the pad?
I did
231 years
I reckon we could do it in fifty years
We do have the capability to do it
WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:did you miss the right number on the pad?
I did
231 years
I reckon we could do it in fifty years
We do have the capability to do it
WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
that’s why we need more migrants to come to australia!!!
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:did you miss the right number on the pad?
I did
231 years
I reckon we could do it in fifty years
We do have the capability to do it
WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/9561260
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I did
231 years
I reckon we could do it in fifty years
We do have the capability to do it
WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
that’s why we need more migrants to come to australia!!!
Doubt they could eat enough.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I did
231 years
I reckon we could do it in fifty years
We do have the capability to do it
WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
that’s why we need more migrants to come to australia!!!
They will need a source of food and water which by the way will end up being only blood.
Tau.Neutrino said:
roughbarked said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Wingers and naysayers annoy me!!!
Rome was not built in a day!!
We have been here for 400 odd years with our cats and foxes etc
The only way it seems to get rid of the cats and foxes is to use people and drones and that may take a long time maybe fifty to two hundred+ years to get rid of them.
If smarter ways can be found, then that time is reduced and costs are also reduced
did you miss the right number on the pad?
I did
231 years
I reckon we could do it in fifty years
We do have the capability to do it
50 years to fix the planet by diverting all military funding towards it and that doesn’t include the switch to cleaner energy and less polluting industry.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
roughbarked said:I love a great mind. :)
though getting rid of the feral donks here would be good too.
And pigs.
And camels.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
Tau.Neutrino said:I did
231 years
I reckon we could do it in fifty years
We do have the capability to do it
WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
that’s why we need more migrants to come to australia!!!
>>>WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
I’m calling bullshit on that one
We can do it, with a planned rollout.
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
that’s why we need more migrants to come to australia!!!
Doubt they could eat enough.
that was an old joke in melbourne in the 60’s, why don’t you see sparrows in coburg? the greeks/italians have eaten them all.
Tau.Neutrino said:
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
that’s why we need more migrants to come to australia!!!
>>>WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT!!!!
I’m calling bullshit on that one
We can do it, with a planned rollout.
Call what you like Tau, but before you go rabbiting on, at least get some understanding of what you are talking about.
“400 years”?
I wonder whether any animals were introduced by Europeans in the period prior to colonisation (ie via various Dutch, French, Portuguese, English explorers from 1606 to 1788).
Wouldn’t surprise me.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:that’s why we need more migrants to come to australia!!!
Doubt they could eat enough.
that was an old joke in melbourne in the 60’s, why don’t you see sparrows in coburg? the greeks/italians have eaten them all.
That was true here for bronzewing pigeons. Until a survey prompted serious fines in an education rollout or some people thought. It was more that they had shot all but the wary ones and had since turned to different food sources.
dv said:
“400 years”?I wonder whether any animals were introduced by Europeans in the period prior to colonisation (ie via various Dutch, French, Portuguese, English explorers from 1606 to 1788).
Wouldn’t surprise me.
‘Tis is fair also of any other visitors. The dingoes came from such an event.
dv said:
“400 years”?I wonder whether any animals were introduced by Europeans in the period prior to colonisation (ie via various Dutch, French, Portuguese, English explorers from 1606 to 1788).
Wouldn’t surprise me.
Some research into cat fur in the Top End, suggested that certain populations of cats might have been here for far longer than European settlement. Rats and mice I would be surprised if they had not, but very difficult to say. What must be borne in mind that in those days There were many native predators that might have kept them under control, or killed them off.
roughbarked said:
dv said:
“400 years”?I wonder whether any animals were introduced by Europeans in the period prior to colonisation (ie via various Dutch, French, Portuguese, English explorers from 1606 to 1788).
Wouldn’t surprise me.
‘Tis is fair also of any other visitors. The dingoes came from such an event.
What we suffer mostly from, here in Australia is from not having had sit down counsel with the original inhabitants rather than bully our way in. We’d be farr further down the track of comprehending both the history and the demographic dynamics.
PermeateFree said:
dv said:
“400 years”?I wonder whether any animals were introduced by Europeans in the period prior to colonisation (ie via various Dutch, French, Portuguese, English explorers from 1606 to 1788).
Wouldn’t surprise me.
Some research into cat fur in the Top End, suggested that certain populations of cats might have been here for far longer than European settlement. Rats and mice I would be surprised if they had not, but very difficult to say. What must be borne in mind that in those days There were many native predators that might have kept them under control, or killed them off.
Interesting. Cheers.
Test it to see how long it would take
train a few teams
then deploy them to fence off and hunt the cats in that area for a month
then upload data to a computer that keeps track of which areas have been cleared
then from that data work out how long it would take to do the rest of Australia’s built up areas around cites and country towns
then put it up for public discussion to hopefully go further
then look at using drones in the outback
Tau.Neutrino said:
Test it to see how long it would taketrain a few teams
then deploy them to fence off and hunt the cats in that area for a month
then upload data to a computer that keeps track of which areas have been cleared
then from that data work out how long it would take to do the rest of Australia’s built up areas around cites and country towns
then put it up for public discussion to hopefully go further
then look at using drones in the outback
Drones that dock and offload rubbish could clean up the oceans, build a few million of them and a couple dozen tanker sized ships and set it up as automatic as possible.
Different drones clean up various depths of the ocean, surface to the ocean floor.
If we can build 10’s of thousands of tanks a year back in WWII we could easily achieve millions of drones if our economies were set up that way
Tau.Neutrino said:
Test it to see how long it would taketrain a few teams
then deploy them to fence off and hunt the cats in that area for a month
then upload data to a computer that keeps track of which areas have been cleared
then from that data work out how long it would take to do the rest of Australia’s built up areas around cites and country towns
then put it up for public discussion to hopefully go further
then look at using drones in the outback
Make use of wifi cameras that can be positioned in cleared areas
make use of wifi cameras that can sweep given areas looking for cat shapes and cat eyes
upload that data
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Test it to see how long it would taketrain a few teams
then deploy them to fence off and hunt the cats in that area for a month
then upload data to a computer that keeps track of which areas have been cleared
then from that data work out how long it would take to do the rest of Australia’s built up areas around cites and country towns
then put it up for public discussion to hopefully go further
then look at using drones in the outback
Drones that dock and offload rubbish could clean up the oceans, build a few million of them and a couple dozen tanker sized ships and set it up as automatic as possible.
Different drones clean up various depths of the ocean, surface to the ocean floor.
If we can build 10’s of thousands of tanks a year back in WWII we could easily achieve millions of drones if our economies were set up that way
You don’t seem to see the dynamic image of millions of prospective bits of rubbish falling from the sky this creates for me.
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Test it to see how long it would taketrain a few teams
then deploy them to fence off and hunt the cats in that area for a month
then upload data to a computer that keeps track of which areas have been cleared
then from that data work out how long it would take to do the rest of Australia’s built up areas around cites and country towns
then put it up for public discussion to hopefully go further
then look at using drones in the outback
Drones that dock and offload rubbish could clean up the oceans, build a few million of them and a couple dozen tanker sized ships and set it up as automatic as possible.
Different drones clean up various depths of the ocean, surface to the ocean floor.
If we can build 10’s of thousands of tanks a year back in WWII we could easily achieve millions of drones if our economies were set up that way
Give lots of work to people to build the new drones.
Deploy them, maintain them, data retrial, data analysis, lots of new jobs
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Test it to see how long it would taketrain a few teams
then deploy them to fence off and hunt the cats in that area for a month
then upload data to a computer that keeps track of which areas have been cleared
then from that data work out how long it would take to do the rest of Australia’s built up areas around cites and country towns
then put it up for public discussion to hopefully go further
then look at using drones in the outback
Drones that dock and offload rubbish could clean up the oceans, build a few million of them and a couple dozen tanker sized ships and set it up as automatic as possible.
Different drones clean up various depths of the ocean, surface to the ocean floor.
If we can build 10’s of thousands of tanks a year back in WWII we could easily achieve millions of drones if our economies were set up that way
Give lots of work to people to build the new drones.
Deploy them, maintain them, data retrial, data analysis, lots of new jobs
All done by computers.
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:that’s why we need more migrants to come to australia!!!
Doubt they could eat enough.
that was an old joke in melbourne in the 60’s, why don’t you see sparrows in coburg? the greeks/italians have eaten them all.
Are they reasonable eating? They’re quite the pest in the centre of the village here.
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:
PermeateFree said:Doubt they could eat enough.
that was an old joke in melbourne in the 60’s, why don’t you see sparrows in coburg? the greeks/italians have eaten them all.
Are they reasonable eating? They’re quite the pest in the centre of the village here.
There is a mouthful of meat on them.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:that was an old joke in melbourne in the 60’s, why don’t you see sparrows in coburg? the greeks/italians have eaten them all.
Are they reasonable eating? They’re quite the pest in the centre of the village here.
There is a mouthful of meat on them.
A sparrow trap is built on the same principle as a drum net. Small entry, hard to relocate from the bottom of the trap. food in bottom. Easy as watching them fall in.
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Test it to see how long it would taketrain a few teams
then deploy them to fence off and hunt the cats in that area for a month
then upload data to a computer that keeps track of which areas have been cleared
then from that data work out how long it would take to do the rest of Australia’s built up areas around cites and country towns
then put it up for public discussion to hopefully go further
then look at using drones in the outback
Drones that dock and offload rubbish could clean up the oceans, build a few million of them and a couple dozen tanker sized ships and set it up as automatic as possible.
Different drones clean up various depths of the ocean, surface to the ocean floor.
If we can build 10’s of thousands of tanks a year back in WWII we could easily achieve millions of drones if our economies were set up that way
You don’t seem to see the dynamic image of millions of prospective bits of rubbish falling from the sky this creates for me.
They don’t fly they float
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Drones that dock and offload rubbish could clean up the oceans, build a few million of them and a couple dozen tanker sized ships and set it up as automatic as possible.
Different drones clean up various depths of the ocean, surface to the ocean floor.
If we can build 10’s of thousands of tanks a year back in WWII we could easily achieve millions of drones if our economies were set up that way
You don’t seem to see the dynamic image of millions of prospective bits of rubbish falling from the sky this creates for me.
They don’t fly they float
They can still fuck up in the drink.
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:
Cymek said:Drones that dock and offload rubbish could clean up the oceans, build a few million of them and a couple dozen tanker sized ships and set it up as automatic as possible.
Different drones clean up various depths of the ocean, surface to the ocean floor.
If we can build 10’s of thousands of tanks a year back in WWII we could easily achieve millions of drones if our economies were set up that way
You don’t seem to see the dynamic image of millions of prospective bits of rubbish falling from the sky this creates for me.
They don’t fly they float
Not sure how you could clean up our oceans unless you used millions of vessels to collect rubbish from surface to the bottom
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:that was an old joke in melbourne in the 60’s, why don’t you see sparrows in coburg? the greeks/italians have eaten them all.
Are they reasonable eating? They’re quite the pest in the centre of the village here.
There is a mouthful of meat on them.
I guess. But are they reasonable eating?
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Are they reasonable eating? They’re quite the pest in the centre of the village here.
There is a mouthful of meat on them.
A sparrow trap is built on the same principle as a drum net. Small entry, hard to relocate from the bottom of the trap. food in bottom. Easy as watching them fall in.
Ta.
Cymek said:
Cymek said:
roughbarked said:You don’t seem to see the dynamic image of millions of prospective bits of rubbish falling from the sky this creates for me.
They don’t fly they float
Not sure how you could clean up our oceans unless you used millions of vessels to collect rubbish from surface to the bottom
They same way they clean oil slicks is one part of the strategy. There is obviously many different levels of poolutioin to clean or decide not to clean, in our time of looking at it.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Are they reasonable eating? They’re quite the pest in the centre of the village here.
There is a mouthful of meat on them.
I guess. But are they reasonable eating?
The local Italians used to have sparrow traps specifically designed not to allow starlings in.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:There is a mouthful of meat on them.
I guess. But are they reasonable eating?
The local Italians used to have sparrow traps specifically designed not to allow starlings in.
So, reading between the lines, your local Italians found sparrows much better eating than starlings.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:There is a mouthful of meat on them.
I guess. But are they reasonable eating?
The local Italians used to have sparrow traps specifically designed not to allow starlings in.
From before sparrows ever got here, our interpretation is the word budgerigar but it actually comes from the local words for good eating. https://www.etymonline.com/word/budgerigar
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:I guess. But are they reasonable eating?
The local Italians used to have sparrow traps specifically designed not to allow starlings in.
So, reading between the lines, your local Italians found sparrows much better eating than starlings.
Absolutely. Starlings were nowhere near the menu.
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:Are they reasonable eating? They’re quite the pest in the centre of the village here.
There is a mouthful of meat on them.
I guess. But are they reasonable eating?
Desert Aborigines eat them and actively hunt them to do so.
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:
roughbarked said:The local Italians used to have sparrow traps specifically designed not to allow starlings in.
So, reading between the lines, your local Italians found sparrows much better eating than starlings.
Absolutely. Starlings were nowhere near the menu.
Sparrows were. Pigeons of any sort and the local pigeons of all types suffered, many to the brink of extinction until it became easier, because by then they had the money, to buy or invest in other food sources.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
Michael V said:So, reading between the lines, your local Italians found sparrows much better eating than starlings.
Absolutely. Starlings were nowhere near the menu.
Sparrows were. Pigeons of any sort and the local pigeons of all types suffered, many to the brink of extinction until it became easier, because by then they had the money, to buy or invest in other food sources.
Insert: and because the numbers of birds to eat had been so dramatically reduced as to make it unviable.
The Italians have a long hhistory of eating everything that attempts to fly past.
I can’t see the value in this.
dv said:
I can’t see the value in this.
Eating the invasive English House Sparrow? I can.
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:
roughbarked said:Absolutely. Starlings were nowhere near the menu.
Sparrows were. Pigeons of any sort and the local pigeons of all types suffered, many to the brink of extinction until it became easier, because by then they had the money, to buy or invest in other food sources.
Insert: and because the numbers of birds to eat had been so dramatically reduced as to make it unviable.
The Italians have a long hhistory of eating everything that attempts to fly past.
Not Bogong moths. ;-)
I’d be interested to see what the legal consequences of protecting the Bogong moth would have been, if this legislation had been around back then.
http://www.nespthreatenedspecies.edu.au/news/thirteen-mammal-extinctions-prevented-by-havens-study
Returning to the OP of giving nature legal rights, I consider it not only a good idea, but necessary to save important environmental sites from the economic mindless destruction of nature purely to make or save a few dollars.
>>For many such as Dr Chapron, giving nature human rights is the place to start.
“I think that conservationists have to get bolder. We have to consider that it’s self evident that the natural world has rights, and it’s a moral wrong to destroy it as we have been doing.”<<
ChrispenEvan said:
http://www.nespthreatenedspecies.edu.au/news/thirteen-mammal-extinctions-prevented-by-havens-study
This is the only way to go in the short term, without such protection we could lose all our small mammals. I donate to the Australian Wildlife Conservancy who have a number of cat and fox proof areas, some measuring thousands of hectares. Probably I shall never ever visit these sanctuaries, but I know the biota there is safe and not likely to go extinct.
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
http://www.nespthreatenedspecies.edu.au/news/thirteen-mammal-extinctions-prevented-by-havens-study
This is the only way to go in the short term, without such protection we could lose all our small mammals. I donate to the Australian Wildlife Conservancy who have a number of cat and fox proof areas, some measuring thousands of hectares. Probably I shall never ever visit these sanctuaries, but I know the biota there is safe and not likely to go extinct.
“We now have 101 island havens covering 2152 km2 and 17 fenced havens covering 346 km2. A key finding of our review was that while more than half of the mammal species in Australia that are vulnerable to cats and foxes have the protection of being in a haven”.
Very interesting. Any chance of more fenced havens?
By the way, i assume they mean terrestrial mammal species. Or do they? Australia has more marine mammal species than terrestrial mammal species.
Nice to see the Numbat and Bilby on that list. Though I wouldn’t actually call the common brushtail possum an endangered species.
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
ChrispenEvan said:
http://www.nespthreatenedspecies.edu.au/news/thirteen-mammal-extinctions-prevented-by-havens-study
This is the only way to go in the short term, without such protection we could lose all our small mammals. I donate to the Australian Wildlife Conservancy who have a number of cat and fox proof areas, some measuring thousands of hectares. Probably I shall never ever visit these sanctuaries, but I know the biota there is safe and not likely to go extinct.
“We now have 101 island havens covering 2152 km2 and 17 fenced havens covering 346 km2. A key finding of our review was that while more than half of the mammal species in Australia that are vulnerable to cats and foxes have the protection of being in a haven”.
Very interesting. Any chance of more fenced havens?
By the way, i assume they mean terrestrial mammal species. Or do they? Australia has more marine mammal species than terrestrial mammal species.
Nice to see the Numbat and Bilby on that list. Though I wouldn’t actually call the common brushtail possum an endangered species.
We have or had marine parks or marine reserves where no fish were allowed to be taken but the pressure from the shooters and fishers has seen some of these reduced in size.