Divine Angel said:

I was thinking more along the lines of conspiracy theorists.

Tau.Neutrino said:

The creativity code.

Edited extract from Marcus Du Sautoy’s new book, The Creativity Code, published on March 7 (HarperCollins)

Using your creativity, can you come up with a completely new conspiracy theory? Unrelated to any previous one. And without mentioning names of people.

I don’t seem to be able to.

mollwollfumble said:

Divine Angel said:

I was thinking more along the lines of conspiracy theorists.

Tau.Neutrino said:

The creativity code.

Edited extract from Marcus Du Sautoy’s new book, The Creativity Code, published on March 7 (HarperCollins)

Using your creativity, can you come up with a completely new conspiracy theory? Unrelated to any previous one. And without mentioning names of people.

I don’t seem to be able to.

Can I come up with scenarios that aren’t true? Of course.

Aliens are here but look like toupees and wigs and mind control bald people including world leaders and that’s why they can act irrational

Cymek said:

Aliens are here but look like toupees and wigs and mind control bald people including world leaders and that’s why they can act irrational

They must be losing their influence then because there are far fewer wig-wearing men than there used to be.

There’s a small group controlling the essential resources that will be needed for survival when the full impact of climate change destroys large sections of various countries.

kii said:

There’s a small group controlling the essential resources that will be needed for survival when the full impact of climate change destroys large sections of various countries.

this same group also does not believe in climate change and will relinquish said resources in tiny portions for large amounts of seed pod (post CC apocalypse currency) but only if you have children that have not been vaccinated

Cymek said:

Aliens are here but look like toupees and wigs and mind control bald people including world leaders and that’s why they can act irrational

What has the orange fuckwit got on his head?

kii said:

There’s a small group controlling the essential resources that will be needed for survival when the full impact of climate change destroys large sections of various countries.

That’s likely true

kii said:

Cymek said:

Aliens are here but look like toupees and wigs and mind control bald people including world leaders and that’s why they can act irrational

What has the orange fuckwit got on his head?

I was inferring him but we couldn’t mention names, he has some sort of retarded evil Sith Lord alien

Cymek said:

kii said:

There’s a small group controlling the essential resources that will be needed for survival when the full impact of climate change destroys large sections of various countries.

That’s likely true

See, there you go. Believing it already.

Cymek said:

Aliens are here but look like toupees and wigs and mind control bald people including world leaders and that’s why they can act irrational

Cymek said:

Aliens are here but look like toupees and wigs and mind control bald people including world leaders and that’s why they can act irrational

kii said:

There’s a small group controlling the essential resources that will be needed for survival when the full impact of climate change destroys large sections of various countries.

I like both of those. They’re valid conspiracy theories, and so far as I know new. And not specific to any one person or even small group.

I have seen aliens looking like masks – that’s a common one seen more than once on Dr Who and on Ben 10. I have seen a conspiracy theory where nanobot robots look like tattoos. But not aliens looking like wigs.

kii’s is good. Wish I’d thought of it. Nice subtlety that it doesn’t mention what those resources are, whether seeds or minerals for instance.

I’m still thinking about this.

Class 1.

• Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.
• During WWII, the Japanese bombed Darwin more than 300 times, the official Australian war archives say it was only bombed once.

Class 2.

• The thylacine has been found alive and well in a private indoor zoo on the island of Hong Kong.
• The Mohole project was cancelled due to pressure from De Beers when they realised that diamonds would be found in great numbers in the upper mantle.

Class 3.

• Most earthquakes are caused by water boiling underground when taken down by subducting plates. The Allies looked into this as a weapon against Japan.
• In Bhutan, you can hire a judge and jury from passers by on the street and the results are legally binding.

Class 4.

• The best place to attack an alien with a long neck is not the brain, but the join between the neck and shoulders.
• An attempt was made in 1980 to precisely measure the influence of gravity on a plumb bob and from that deduce the local geology.

Darwin was bombed more than once, not sure about 300 times. But it was a lot more serious and sustained than the government admitted.

mollwollfumble said:

I’m still thinking about this.

Class 1.

• Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.
• During WWII, the Japanese bombed Darwin more than 300 times, the official Australian war archives say it was only bombed once.

Class 2.

• The thylacine has been found alive and well in a private indoor zoo on the island of Hong Kong.
• The Mohole project was cancelled due to pressure from De Beers when they realised that diamonds would be found in great numbers in the upper mantle.

Class 3.

• Most earthquakes are caused by water boiling underground when taken down by subducting plates. The Allies looked into this as a weapon against Japan.
• In Bhutan, you can hire a judge and jury from passers by on the street and the results are legally binding.

Class 4.

• The best place to attack an alien with a long neck is not the brain, but the join between the neck and shoulders.
• An attempt was made in 1980 to precisely measure the influence of gravity on a plumb bob and from that deduce the local geology.
  

AwesomeO said:

Darwin was bombed more than once, not sure about 300 times. But it was a lot more serious and sustained than the government admitted.

Good. You’ve figured out what I mean by Class 1. Conspiracies I actually believe to be true. The other WWII one is that the Australian Government never acknowledged that they caught a Japanese spy just before they poisoned Perth’s water supply.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m still thinking about this.

Class 1.

• Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.
• During WWII, the Japanese bombed Darwin more than 300 times, the official Australian war archives say it was only bombed once.

Class 2.

• The thylacine has been found alive and well in a private indoor zoo on the island of Hong Kong.
• The Mohole project was cancelled due to pressure from De Beers when they realised that diamonds would be found in great numbers in the upper mantle.

Class 3.

• Most earthquakes are caused by water boiling underground when taken down by subducting plates. The Allies looked into this as a weapon against Japan.
• In Bhutan, you can hire a judge and jury from passers by on the street and the results are legally binding.

Class 4.

• The best place to attack an alien with a long neck is not the brain, but the join between the neck and shoulders.
• An attempt was made in 1980 to precisely measure the influence of gravity on a plumb bob and from that deduce the local geology.
  

AwesomeO said:

Darwin was bombed more than once, not sure about 300 times. But it was a lot more serious and sustained than the government admitted.

Good. You’ve figured out what I mean by Class 1. Conspiracies I actually believe to be true. The other WWII one is that the Australian Government never acknowledged that they caught a Japanese spy just before they poisoned Perth’s water supply.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs195.aspx

ChrispenEvan said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m still thinking about this.

Class 1.

• Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.
• During WWII, the Japanese bombed Darwin more than 300 times, the official Australian war archives say it was only bombed once.

Class 2.

• The thylacine has been found alive and well in a private indoor zoo on the island of Hong Kong.
• The Mohole project was cancelled due to pressure from De Beers when they realised that diamonds would be found in great numbers in the upper mantle.

Class 3.

• Most earthquakes are caused by water boiling underground when taken down by subducting plates. The Allies looked into this as a weapon against Japan.
• In Bhutan, you can hire a judge and jury from passers by on the street and the results are legally binding.

Class 4.

• The best place to attack an alien with a long neck is not the brain, but the join between the neck and shoulders.
• An attempt was made in 1980 to precisely measure the influence of gravity on a plumb bob and from that deduce the local geology.
  

AwesomeO said:

Darwin was bombed more than once, not sure about 300 times. But it was a lot more serious and sustained than the government admitted.

Good. You’ve figured out what I mean by Class 1. Conspiracies I actually believe to be true. The other WWII one is that the Australian Government never acknowledged that they caught a Japanese spy just before they poisoned Perth’s water supply.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs195.aspx

OK, first time I’ve clicked on this thread. I’d really love to see the official Australian war archives that say it was only bombed once.

ChrispenEvan said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m still thinking about this.

Class 1.

• Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.
• During WWII, the Japanese bombed Darwin more than 300 times, the official Australian war archives say it was only bombed once.

Class 2.

• The thylacine has been found alive and well in a private indoor zoo on the island of Hong Kong.
• The Mohole project was cancelled due to pressure from De Beers when they realised that diamonds would be found in great numbers in the upper mantle.

Class 3.

• Most earthquakes are caused by water boiling underground when taken down by subducting plates. The Allies looked into this as a weapon against Japan.
• In Bhutan, you can hire a judge and jury from passers by on the street and the results are legally binding.

Class 4.

• The best place to attack an alien with a long neck is not the brain, but the join between the neck and shoulders.
• An attempt was made in 1980 to precisely measure the influence of gravity on a plumb bob and from that deduce the local geology.
  

AwesomeO said:

Darwin was bombed more than once, not sure about 300 times. But it was a lot more serious and sustained than the government admitted.

Good. You’ve figured out what I mean by Class 1. Conspiracies I actually believe to be true. The other WWII one is that the Australian Government never acknowledged that they caught a Japanese spy just before they poisoned Perth’s water supply.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs195.aspx

there were more attacks on the Top End. Darwin was bombed 64 times according to this site

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-battles/ww2/darwin.htm

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

mollwollfumble said:

Good. You’ve figured out what I mean by Class 1. Conspiracies I actually believe to be true. The other WWII one is that the Australian Government never acknowledged that they caught a Japanese spy just before they poisoned Perth’s water supply.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs195.aspx

OK, first time I’ve clicked on this thread. I’d really love to see the official Australian war archives that say it was only bombed once.

Insert a ‘Darwin” into the above sentence at your leisure.

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs195.aspx

OK, first time I’ve clicked on this thread. I’d really love to see the official Australian war archives that say it was only bombed once.

Insert a ‘Darwin” into the above sentence at your leisure.

no. it doesn’t need one.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

sibeen said:

OK, first time I’ve clicked on this thread. I’d really love to see the official Australian war archives that say it was only bombed once.

Insert a ‘Darwin” into the above sentence at your leisure.

no. it doesn’t need one.

Well don’t fucking bother then, see if I give a rats.

give me time, I’ll come up with something.

ChrispenEvan said:

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m still thinking about this.

Class 1.

• Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.
• During WWII, the Japanese bombed Darwin more than 300 times, the official Australian war archives say it was only bombed once.

Class 2.

• The thylacine has been found alive and well in a private indoor zoo on the island of Hong Kong.
• The Mohole project was cancelled due to pressure from De Beers when they realised that diamonds would be found in great numbers in the upper mantle.

Class 3.

• Most earthquakes are caused by water boiling underground when taken down by subducting plates. The Allies looked into this as a weapon against Japan.
• In Bhutan, you can hire a judge and jury from passers by on the street and the results are legally binding.

Class 4.

• The best place to attack an alien with a long neck is not the brain, but the join between the neck and shoulders.
• An attempt was made in 1980 to precisely measure the influence of gravity on a plumb bob and from that deduce the local geology.
  

AwesomeO said:

Darwin was bombed more than once, not sure about 300 times. But it was a lot more serious and sustained than the government admitted.

Good. You’ve figured out what I mean by Class 1. Conspiracies I actually believe to be true. The other WWII one is that the Australian Government never acknowledged that they caught a Japanese spy just before they poisoned Perth’s water supply.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs195.aspx

> The air attacks across northern Australia, centring on the Territory, continued until November 1943, by which time the Japanese had raided the Top End over 200 times.

Over 300 on Darwin. My father in law was there at the time. There were daily Japanese bombing raids on Darwin for at least ten months, he left before they stopped.

> During the war other towns in northern Australia were also the target of Japanese air attack, with bombs dropped on Townsville, Katherine, Wyndham, Derby, Broome and Port Hedland.

I’d only heard of Broome.

Good link. So in addition to raids 1 and 2, there are records of raids 55, 58 and 62. Only two later reports, both by Justice Lowe, one in 1945 and one in 1949. These later reports were not registered until very much later, 1992.

Class 1 – ones I’ve heard from a reliable source.
Class 2 – existing fact or claim with an unbelievable explanation
Class 3 – suggested as a serious possibility by someone but with an unbelievable twist
Class 4 – an existing conspiracy theory, modified slightly

None of those I’ve come up with is a good conspiracy theory, or is completely novel. Cymek and kii did better.

mollwollfumble said:

ChrispenEvan said:

mollwollfumble said:

Good. You’ve figured out what I mean by Class 1. Conspiracies I actually believe to be true. The other WWII one is that the Australian Government never acknowledged that they caught a Japanese spy just before they poisoned Perth’s water supply.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs195.aspx

> The air attacks across northern Australia, centring on the Territory, continued until November 1943, by which time the Japanese had raided the Top End over 200 times.

Over 300 on Darwin. My father in law was there at the time. There were daily Japanese bombing raids on Darwin for at least ten months, he left before they stopped.

> During the war other towns in northern Australia were also the target of Japanese air attack, with bombs dropped on Townsville, Katherine, Wyndham, Derby, Broome and Port Hedland.

I’d only heard of Broome.

Good link. So in addition to raids 1 and 2, there are records of raids 55, 58 and 62. Only two later reports, both by Justice Lowe, one in 1945 and one in 1949. These later reports were not registered until very much later, 1992.

Class 1 – ones I’ve heard from a reliable source.
Class 2 – existing fact or claim with an unbelievable explanation
Class 3 – suggested as a serious possibility by someone but with an unbelievable twist
Class 4 – an existing conspiracy theory, modified slightly

None of those I’ve come up with is a good conspiracy theory, or is completely novel. Cymek and kii did better.

For your second Class 4 example; I don’t see why that wouldn’t work, at least in principle.

Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.

—-

According to “U. S. Spacesuits” By Kenneth S. Thomas, Scott did suffer pain during EVAs. He didn’t want to trim his nails out of concern for reducing touch feedback.

Ian said:

Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.

—-

According to “U. S. Spacesuits” By Kenneth S. Thomas, Scott did suffer pain during EVAs. He didn’t want to trim his nails out of concern for reducing touch feedback.

What did actually happen ?

Cymek said:

Ian said:

Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.

—-

According to “U. S. Spacesuits” By Kenneth S. Thomas, Scott did suffer pain during EVAs. He didn’t want to trim his nails out of concern for reducing touch feedback.

What did actually happen ?

Molly is making up shit I is assumin.

This is more exaggeration than conspiracy theory.

Ian said:

Cymek said:

Ian said:

Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.

—-

According to “U. S. Spacesuits” By Kenneth S. Thomas, Scott did suffer pain during EVAs. He didn’t want to trim his nails out of concern for reducing touch feedback.

What did actually happen ?

Molly is making up shit I is assumin.

This is more exaggeration than conspiracy theory.

Crudely I was thinking about going to the toilet in low gravity and long finger nails

Cymek said:

Ian said:

Cymek said:

What did actually happen ?

Molly is making up shit I is assumin.

This is more exaggeration than conspiracy theory.

Crudely I was thinking about going to the toilet in low gravity and long finger nails

He was in need of a manly-cure.

party_pants said:

give me time, I’ll come up with something.

Those airports in the desert with lots of parked up old aircraft. The airlines deliberately do not sell their old planes in order not to flood the second-hand market, and so discourage the growth of new low-fare start-up airlines.

Not a very good one, because there is probably an element of truth to it.

https://youtu.be/owootTAuxic

the christchurch shooter

they are already using australia as a dumping ground for nuclear waste without it being passed in parliament

wookiemeister said:

https://youtu.be/owootTAuxic

the christchurch shooter

Aha. “Derren Brown: The Assassin | Derren Brown’s The Experiment” a vindication of the Lee Harvey Oswald conspiracy.

wookiemeister said:

they are already using australia as a dumping ground for nuclear waste without it being passed in parliament

Now that’s a new conspiracy theory. I like it.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/there-s-a-volcanic-system-slumbering-beneath-melbourne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzkoTulqA1U

its possible to build a 1:1 spitfire

wookiemeister said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzkoTulqA1U

its possible to build a 1:1 spitfire

James May did that on his Toy Story. Not a flying one.

We made a 1:1 V-2 rocket in Victoria. A flying one.

Ian said:

Cymek said:

Ian said:

Astronaut David Scott was in excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon because he refused to trim his fingernails.

—-

According to “U. S. Spacesuits” By Kenneth S. Thomas, Scott did suffer pain during EVAs. He didn’t want to trim his nails out of concern for reducing touch feedback.

What did actually happen ?

Molly is making up shit I is assumin.
This is more exaggeration than conspiracy theory

Possibly not even an exaggeration.

My understanding is the following.

Between the time the space gloves had their final fit and their use on the Moon, during the flight to the Moon, the astronauts fingernails had grown. The space gloves no longer fitted and both James Irwin and David Scott sufferred excruciating pain on their first space walk. Jim Irwin cut his fingernails and never had any pain from the space gloves on subsequent walks on the Moon. David Scott refused to cut his and put up with the pain.

wookiemeister said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/there-s-a-volcanic-system-slumbering-beneath-melbourne

Well, that’s true.

I haven’t been able to decide whether the next volcano will be further west, off Robe in South Australia, or further south, off Port Phillip heads. There are indications pointing in both directions.

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/there-s-a-volcanic-system-slumbering-beneath-melbourne

Well, that’s true.

I haven’t been able to decide whether the next volcano will be further west, off Robe in South Australia, or further south, off Port Phillip heads. There are indications pointing in both directions.

Or Tasmania, maybe off the coast a bit?

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Cymek said:

What did actually happen ?

Molly is making up shit I is assumin.
This is more exaggeration than conspiracy theory

Possibly not even an exaggeration.

My understanding is the following.

Between the time the space gloves had their final fit and their use on the Moon, during the flight to the Moon, the astronauts fingernails had grown. The space gloves no longer fitted and both James Irwin and David Scott sufferred excruciating pain on their first space walk. Jim Irwin cut his fingernails and never had any pain from the space gloves on subsequent walks on the Moon. David Scott refused to cut his and put up with the pain.

Well, that’s close to the info I quoted.

Have you got a ref for the “excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon” part?

Ian said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Molly is making up shit I is assumin.
This is more exaggeration than conspiracy theory

Possibly not even an exaggeration.

My understanding is the following.

Between the time the space gloves had their final fit and their use on the Moon, during the flight to the Moon, the astronauts fingernails had grown. The space gloves no longer fitted and both James Irwin and David Scott sufferred excruciating pain on their first space walk. Jim Irwin cut his fingernails and never had any pain from the space gloves on subsequent walks on the Moon. David Scott refused to cut his and put up with the pain.

Well, that’s close to the info I quoted.

Have you got a ref for the “excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon” part?

Reference is Jim Irwin’s autobiography, “To rule the night”.

—-

The weirdest conspiracy theory I’ve come across, many years later still I don’t know how to handle it.

• In the British Census of 2001 (or 1991?) the numbers didn’t balance. Hundreds of thousands of people had gone missing. This could not be accounted for by deaths or emigration. Most of these missing people were young men. In the follow-up census, numbers were still low.

• Now the same thing has happened in the USA. A million children aged 5 to 10 are missing from the US 2010 census. What happened to them?

• In both of the above, the initial explanation was that people were not turning up to be counted in the census. But that isn’t correct. They’ve just vanished.

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Have you got a ref for the “excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon” part?

Reference is Jim Irwin’s autobiography, “To rule the night”.

—-

The weirdest conspiracy theory I’ve come across, many years later still I don’t know how to handle it.

• In the British Census of 2001 (or 1991?) the numbers didn’t balance. Hundreds of thousands of people had gone missing. This could not be accounted for by deaths or emigration. Most of these missing people were young men. In the follow-up census, numbers were still low.

• Now the same thing has happened in the USA. A million children aged 5 to 10 are missing from the US 2010 census. What happened to them?

• In both of the above, the initial explanation was that people were not turning up to be counted in the census. But that isn’t correct. They’ve just vanished.
  

I’m trying to track down the UK “One number census” from 2001. It was the missing people mystery that prompted its introduction.

So, what happened to the missing million people?

Option 1. They failed to fill in their census. This seems to be contradicted by data.
Option 2. They are claiming 1 million dependents on their tax who don’t exist. This seems most likely.
Option 3. The people emigrated illegally, for example to fight in an overseas war. Hmm.
Option 4. Mass murderer or alien abduction.

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Have you got a ref for the “excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon” part?

Reference is Jim Irwin’s autobiography, “To rule the night”.

—-

The weirdest conspiracy theory I’ve come across, many years later still I don’t know how to handle it.

• In the British Census of 2001 (or 1991?) the numbers didn’t balance. Hundreds of thousands of people had gone missing. This could not be accounted for by deaths or emigration. Most of these missing people were young men. In the follow-up census, numbers were still low.

• Now the same thing has happened in the USA. A million children aged 5 to 10 are missing from the US 2010 census. What happened to them?

• In both of the above, the initial explanation was that people were not turning up to be counted in the census. But that isn’t correct. They’ve just vanished.
  

I’m trying to track down the UK “One number census” from 2001. It was the missing people mystery that prompted its introduction.

So, what happened to the missing million people?

Option 1. They failed to fill in their census. This seems to be contradicted by data.
Option 2. They are claiming 1 million dependents on their tax who don’t exist. This seems most likely.
Option 3. The people emigrated illegally, for example to fight in an overseas war. Hmm.
Option 4. Mass murderer or alien abduction.

How did they arrive at the conclusion that 1 million people were “missing”? If it was based on the previous census and records of births deaths, and immigration then dependents claimed for tax purposes would have nothing to do with it.

People can emigrate without it being recorded, or they can spend most of the time outside the UK without having emigrated. How are these numbers assessed?

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

mollwollfumble said:

Possibly not even an exaggeration.

My understanding is the following.

Between the time the space gloves had their final fit and their use on the Moon, during the flight to the Moon, the astronauts fingernails had grown. The space gloves no longer fitted and both James Irwin and David Scott sufferred excruciating pain on their first space walk. Jim Irwin cut his fingernails and never had any pain from the space gloves on subsequent walks on the Moon. David Scott refused to cut his and put up with the pain.

Well, that’s close to the info I quoted.

Have you got a ref for the “excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon” part?

Reference is Jim Irwin’s autobiography, “To rule the night”.

—-

Ok, maybe.

I still dispute “all the time he was on the Moon”. It was only during EVAs with figernails against hard gloves.

Arts said:

dv said:

Kudos to Skeptic Pete for finding the not-thick blue book that Hanson referred to.

Joe Vialls (b. c. 1944 – 17 July 2005) was a conspiracy theorist and internet journalist based in Perth, Western Australia. His claims that major incidents such as the Port Arthur massacre, terror attacks in Bali and Jakarta and the 2004 Asian tsunami were the work of Israeli and American secret agents gained a measure of notoriety in Australia, America and Indonesia.

Such inventiveness.

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

mollwollfumble said:

Possibly not even an exaggeration.

My understanding is the following.

Between the time the space gloves had their final fit and their use on the Moon, during the flight to the Moon, the astronauts fingernails had grown. The space gloves no longer fitted and both James Irwin and David Scott sufferred excruciating pain on their first space walk. Jim Irwin cut his fingernails and never had any pain from the space gloves on subsequent walks on the Moon. David Scott refused to cut his and put up with the pain.

Well, that’s close to the info I quoted.

Have you got a ref for the “excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon” part?

Reference is Jim Irwin’s autobiography, “To rule the night”.

—-

The weirdest conspiracy theory I’ve come across, many years later still I don’t know how to handle it.

• In the British Census of 2001 (or 1991?) the numbers didn’t balance. Hundreds of thousands of people had gone missing. This could not be accounted for by deaths or emigration. Most of these missing people were young men. In the follow-up census, numbers were still low.

• Now the same thing has happened in the USA. A million children aged 5 to 10 are missing from the US 2010 census. What happened to them?

• In both of the above, the initial explanation was that people were not turning up to be counted in the census. But that isn’t correct. They’ve just vanished.
  

poll tax

i didn’t fill out a census form because once you were on the census / electoral roll it meant you had to pay ANOTHER tax

millions of people went missing after poll tax

wookiemeister said:

mollwollfumble said:

Ian said:

Well, that’s close to the info I quoted.

Have you got a ref for the “excruciating pain all the time he was on the Moon” part?

Reference is Jim Irwin’s autobiography, “To rule the night”.

—-

The weirdest conspiracy theory I’ve come across, many years later still I don’t know how to handle it.

• In the British Census of 2001 (or 1991?) the numbers didn’t balance. Hundreds of thousands of people had gone missing. This could not be accounted for by deaths or emigration. Most of these missing people were young men. In the follow-up census, numbers were still low.

• Now the same thing has happened in the USA. A million children aged 5 to 10 are missing from the US 2010 census. What happened to them?

• In both of the above, the initial explanation was that people were not turning up to be counted in the census. But that isn’t correct. They’ve just vanished.
  

poll tax

i didn’t fill out a census form because once you were on the census / electoral roll it meant you had to pay ANOTHER tax

millions of people went missing after poll tax

young men / men are the ones that pay all the taxes – hence you disappear to stop paying out more money to the gov

a census has one primary function – to discover who can pay tax

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

mollwollfumble said:

Reference is Jim Irwin’s autobiography, “To rule the night”.

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The weirdest conspiracy theory I’ve come across, many years later still I don’t know how to handle it.

• In the British Census of 2001 (or 1991?) the numbers didn’t balance. Hundreds of thousands of people had gone missing. This could not be accounted for by deaths or emigration. Most of these missing people were young men. In the follow-up census, numbers were still low.

• Now the same thing has happened in the USA. A million children aged 5 to 10 are missing from the US 2010 census. What happened to them?

• In both of the above, the initial explanation was that people were not turning up to be counted in the census. But that isn’t correct. They’ve just vanished.
  

poll tax

i didn’t fill out a census form because once you were on the census / electoral roll it meant you had to pay ANOTHER tax

millions of people went missing after poll tax

young men / men are the ones that pay all the taxes – hence you disappear to stop paying out more money to the gov

For real? “The Community Charge, commonly known as the poll tax, was a system of taxation introduced in replacement of domestic rates in Scotland from 1989, prior to its introduction in England and Wales from 1990. It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by Council Tax in 1993, two years after its abolition was announced.”

For real. It would have been the 1991 census then.

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

wookiemeister said:

poll tax

i didn’t fill out a census form because once you were on the census / electoral roll it meant you had to pay ANOTHER tax

millions of people went missing after poll tax

young men / men are the ones that pay all the taxes – hence you disappear to stop paying out more money to the gov

For real? “The Community Charge, commonly known as the poll tax, was a system of taxation introduced in replacement of domestic rates in Scotland from 1989, prior to its introduction in England and Wales from 1990. It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by Council Tax in 1993, two years after its abolition was announced.”

For real. It would have been the 1991 census then.

yep

i disappeared from the census to avoid the tax and so did many other men destined to be drained dry of every penny

wookiemeister said:

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

young men / men are the ones that pay all the taxes – hence you disappear to stop paying out more money to the gov

For real? “The Community Charge, commonly known as the poll tax, was a system of taxation introduced in replacement of domestic rates in Scotland from 1989, prior to its introduction in England and Wales from 1990. It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by Council Tax in 1993, two years after its abolition was announced.”

For real. It would have been the 1991 census then.

yep

i disappeared from the census to avoid the tax and so did many other men destined to be drained dry of every penny

Well, that settles the UK (except I don’t remember how many young men disappeared from the census, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, more?)

Not sure how why million youngsters disappeared from the US census, though.

mollwollfumble said:

wookiemeister said:

mollwollfumble said:

For real? “The Community Charge, commonly known as the poll tax, was a system of taxation introduced in replacement of domestic rates in Scotland from 1989, prior to its introduction in England and Wales from 1990. It provided for a single flat-rate per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. The charge was replaced by Council Tax in 1993, two years after its abolition was announced.”

For real. It would have been the 1991 census then.

yep

i disappeared from the census to avoid the tax and so did many other men destined to be drained dry of every penny

Well, that settles the UK (except I don’t remember how many young men disappeared from the census, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, more?)

Not sure how why million youngsters disappeared from the US census, though.

most likely for the same reason – taxes