Date: 30/03/2019 21:27:30
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1368596
Subject: SIDS and pets?

Has there ever been a scientific study to see whether pets can cause SIDS?

SIDS has been linked to respiratory distress.

When was bedridden, our cat had been outside covering its fur in pollen. Rested beside me, then at an appropriate peaceful time shook itself near my face, causing my throat to clamp shut. Luckily, i was well enough to hobble to the bathroom, wash the poolen off my hace and out of my eyes, and wash it down my throat and out of my nose.

But a child constrained in a cot would have been dead.

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Date: 30/03/2019 21:31:11
From: transition
ID: 1368598
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

on the other end, there is loneliness-induced premature death syndrome in the elderly

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Date: 30/03/2019 21:31:29
From: furious
ID: 1368599
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

If it was up to me, cats wouldn’t be anywhere near babies. Then again i wouldn’t have cats anywhere near people of any age and size…

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Date: 30/03/2019 21:31:48
From: transition
ID: 1368600
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

transition said:


on the other end, there is loneliness-induced premature death syndrome in the elderly

caused by petlessness

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Date: 30/03/2019 21:39:28
From: sibeen
ID: 1368601
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

I suspect that it would be safe to state that a link between pet ownership and SIDS would have been investigated.

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Date: 30/03/2019 21:50:28
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1368603
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

sibeen said:


I suspect that it would be safe to state that a link between pet ownership and SIDS would have been investigated.

Having an adverse allergic reaction from a pet resulting in a fatality would be an allergy related death though yeah?

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Date: 30/03/2019 22:09:35
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1368611
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

sibeen said:


I suspect that it would be safe to state that a link between pet ownership and SIDS would have been investigated.

Can you find an article?

All i’ve found so far are a couple of SIDS related articles advising parents not to let pets sleep with their children.

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Date: 30/03/2019 22:13:39
From: monkey skipper
ID: 1368613
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

mollwollfumble said:


sibeen said:

I suspect that it would be safe to state that a link between pet ownership and SIDS would have been investigated.

Can you find an article?

All i’ve found so far are a couple of SIDS related articles advising parents not to let pets sleep with their children.

The smother risk is well understood with regards to cats and overheating babies is also understood as a risk to be managed pet or no pet.

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Date: 30/03/2019 22:19:44
From: buffy
ID: 1368614
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

mollwollfumble said:


sibeen said:

I suspect that it would be safe to state that a link between pet ownership and SIDS would have been investigated.

Can you find an article?

All i’ve found so far are a couple of SIDS related articles advising parents not to let pets sleep with their children.

It’s an old paper, but…

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9532970

And another, but no mention of cats at all, or allergy, in this one.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2246416/

And allergy

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8735871

Not much recent stuff showing up on a quick Health on the Net search.

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Date: 31/03/2019 06:57:04
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1368677
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

Despite declines in prevalence during the past two decades, sudden infant death syndrome
(SIDS) continues to be the leading cause of death for infants aged between 1 month and 1
year in developed countries.

How long has SIDS been recognised?

From 1972, Little is known of the final physiologic mechanism(s) resulting in SIDS. Five infants participated in this study, three of whom were referred at about 1 month of age because of cyanotic episodes of undetermined etiology. laboratory sleep studies revealed frequent periods of apnea (≥ 2 seconds) which (1) decreased in amount after a certain age and (2) were most frequent during REM sleep. All infants had a number of prolonged apneic and cyanotic episodes during sleep, some requiring vigorous resuscitative efforts. Prolonged apnea most often occurred in conjunction with an upper-respiratory tract infection or when frequent apnea was noted in the laboratory. Two of the infants subsequently died of SIDS.

The follow up article to that was in 1992. two children in a family plagued with the affliction had died within hours of their release from his Syracuse research project. the paper indicated a more sinister possibility to Dr. John F. Hick of Minnesota. In a letter to the journal, he wrote that the case offered “circumstantial evidence suggesting a critical role for the mother in the death of her children.” Of five children, four died in early infancy and the other died without explanation at age 28 months. Woman Confeses in Deaths of Children.

Waneta E. Hoyte said her five children died because they cried. In a signed confesion, she said she smothered her children, Erik, James, Julie, Moly and Noah. The statement, one of two provided to investigators by Mrs. Hoyt, transformed what had been a textbok case of so-caled crib death of her five children more than 20 years ago into another kind of family cataclysm: an unthinkable crime.

From 1966, the Lancet, The idea that “ cot deaths “ might be due to anaphylactic shock.

From 1965, “ON CATS AND CRIB DEATH”. An inquiry was recently held at Battersea into the circumstances of the death of a 1-month-old infant. A relative of the deceased stated that the infant was put to bed at mid-day, and half an hour later, when she went into the room, she found the cat curled up on the child’s face.

SIDS was known about 100 years ago. But the number of articles about it increased from 68 for all years up to 1968, a further 74 in 1969-1970, and a further 100 in 1971-1972, up a further 219 articles in 1973-1974.

From 1973, A total of 942 deaths from SIDS were studied over a four-year period in Chicago. The only consistent finding was an inverse relationship between SIDS and temperature in three of the four years of the study.

From 1974. For hospital deaths among whites, the only significant regression coefficient was that for birth weight. It was estimated that in 1958 the rate of SIDSp, in the United States was 2.2 per 1000; by extrapolation it was estimated that by 1969 this had fallen to 1.5 per 1000. Various interpretations were offered to account for the positive association between SIDSp and longitude among white infants, and the absence of any such association among black infants. From a set of Vital Statistics of the United States published only for the year 1958 …

Specially designed surveys have so far reported the incidence of sudden infant death syndrome as varying from .31 per 1000 live births in the Ashkelon District of Israel to 5.93 per 1000 live births among American Indians in California. US average SIDS rates for 1958 per 1000 live births are 1.5 for whites and 6.0 for blacks, an enormous difference. Low birth weight was the dominant correlation for whites, but blacks had an inverse correlation with low birth weight.

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Date: 31/03/2019 08:34:13
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1368686
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

mollwollfumble said:


Has there ever been a scientific study to see whether pets can cause SIDS?

SIDS has been linked to respiratory distress.

When was bedridden, our cat had been outside covering its fur in pollen. Rested beside me, then at an appropriate peaceful time shook itself near my face, causing my throat to clamp shut. Luckily, i was well enough to hobble to the bathroom, wash the pollen off my hace and out of my eyes, and wash it down my throat and out of my nose.

But a child constrained in a cot would have been dead.


Treat this as a hypothesis. How could it be tested?

Studies of epidemiology of SIDS remind me of the “streetlight effect” https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/04/11/better-light/

A police officer sees a drunken man intently searching the ground near a lamppost and asks him the goal of his quest. The inebriate replies that he is looking for his car keys, and the officer helps for a few minutes without success then he asks whether the man is certain that he dropped the keys near the lamppost. “No,” is the reply, “I lost the keys somewhere across the street.” “Why look here?” asks the surprised and irritated officer. “The light is much better here,”

There is no easily available database of pet incidence, so researchers look for correlations with latitude and temperature, which are easy to find.

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Date: 31/03/2019 09:31:39
From: roughbarked
ID: 1368704
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

mollwollfumble said:


mollwollfumble said:

Has there ever been a scientific study to see whether pets can cause SIDS?

SIDS has been linked to respiratory distress.

When was bedridden, our cat had been outside covering its fur in pollen. Rested beside me, then at an appropriate peaceful time shook itself near my face, causing my throat to clamp shut. Luckily, i was well enough to hobble to the bathroom, wash the pollen off my hace and out of my eyes, and wash it down my throat and out of my nose.

But a child constrained in a cot would have been dead.


Treat this as a hypothesis. How could it be tested?

Studies of epidemiology of SIDS remind me of the “streetlight effect” https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/04/11/better-light/

A police officer sees a drunken man intently searching the ground near a lamppost and asks him the goal of his quest. The inebriate replies that he is looking for his car keys, and the officer helps for a few minutes without success then he asks whether the man is certain that he dropped the keys near the lamppost. “No,” is the reply, “I lost the keys somewhere across the street.” “Why look here?” asks the surprised and irritated officer. “The light is much better here,”

There is no easily available database of pet incidence, so researchers look for correlations with latitude and temperature, which are easy to find.

We set up the bassinet for the expected baby and promptly Mrs rb’s cat got in it curled up and went to sleep. I said the cat goes or the baby gets adopted out first thing.
The cat ent back to her mum’s where it lived out its natural term.

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Date: 31/03/2019 16:07:57
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1368848
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

Has there ever been a scientific study to see whether pets can cause SIDS?

SIDS has been linked to respiratory distress.

When was bedridden, our cat had been outside covering its fur in pollen. Rested beside me, then at an appropriate peaceful time shook itself near my face, causing my throat to clamp shut. Luckily, i was well enough to hobble to the bathroom, wash the pollen off my hace and out of my eyes, and wash it down my throat and out of my nose.

But a child constrained in a cot would have been dead.


Treat this as a hypothesis. How could it be tested?

Studies of epidemiology of SIDS remind me of the “streetlight effect” https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/04/11/better-light/

A police officer sees a drunken man intently searching the ground near a lamppost and asks him the goal of his quest. The inebriate replies that he is looking for his car keys, and the officer helps for a few minutes without success then he asks whether the man is certain that he dropped the keys near the lamppost. “No,” is the reply, “I lost the keys somewhere across the street.” “Why look here?” asks the surprised and irritated officer. “The light is much better here,”

There is no easily available database of pet incidence, so researchers look for correlations with latitude and temperature, which are easy to find.

We set up the bassinet for the expected baby and promptly Mrs rb’s cat got in it curled up and went to sleep. I said the cat goes or the baby gets adopted out first thing.
The cat ent back to her mum’s where it lived out its natural term.

> Treat this as a hypothesis. How could it be tested?

Method 1. Swab face of dead SIDS victim for pollen and dust mites.
Method 2. Pet questionnaire for family of SIDS victims – cat, dog, rabbit. Indoor or indoor/outdoor or outdoor pet. Access to baby near time of death. Owned or not.
Method 3. On a council by council basis correlate pet ownership to SIDS incidence. Ditto for stray cats and dogs.
Method 4. Correlate time of SIDS deaths (date of year) to time of deaths from asthma on a city by city basis.
Method 5. Correlate time of SIDS deaths (date of year) to times of greatest pollen production on a city by city basis.
Method 6. As method 3 but based on city by city, state by state, country by country or by country and race.

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Date: 31/03/2019 16:11:40
From: Arts
ID: 1368858
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

mollwollfumble said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Treat this as a hypothesis. How could it be tested?

Studies of epidemiology of SIDS remind me of the “streetlight effect” https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/04/11/better-light/

A police officer sees a drunken man intently searching the ground near a lamppost and asks him the goal of his quest. The inebriate replies that he is looking for his car keys, and the officer helps for a few minutes without success then he asks whether the man is certain that he dropped the keys near the lamppost. “No,” is the reply, “I lost the keys somewhere across the street.” “Why look here?” asks the surprised and irritated officer. “The light is much better here,”

There is no easily available database of pet incidence, so researchers look for correlations with latitude and temperature, which are easy to find.

We set up the bassinet for the expected baby and promptly Mrs rb’s cat got in it curled up and went to sleep. I said the cat goes or the baby gets adopted out first thing.
The cat ent back to her mum’s where it lived out its natural term.

> Treat this as a hypothesis. How could it be tested?

Method 1. Swab face of dead SIDS victim for pollen and dust mites.
Method 2. Pet questionnaire for family of SIDS victims – cat, dog, rabbit. Indoor or indoor/outdoor or outdoor pet. Access to baby near time of death. Owned or not.
Method 3. On a council by council basis correlate pet ownership to SIDS incidence. Ditto for stray cats and dogs.
Method 4. Correlate time of SIDS deaths (date of year) to time of deaths from asthma on a city by city basis.
Method 5. Correlate time of SIDS deaths (date of year) to times of greatest pollen production on a city by city basis.
Method 6. As method 3 but based on city by city, state by state, country by country or by country and race.

we had cats and babies.. all survived

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Date: 31/03/2019 18:41:16
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1368913
Subject: re: SIDS and pets?

Arts said:


roughbarked said:

We set up the bassinet for the expected baby and promptly Mrs rb’s cat got in it curled up and went to sleep. I said the cat goes or the baby gets adopted out first thing.
The cat ent back to her mum’s where it lived out its natural term.

we had cats and babies.. all survived

Good for roughbarked. SIDS is becoming rarer.

Not all cats hunt bigger prey.

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