What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
Rule 303 said:
What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
Velvets and mutants.
Socialists and socialites.
I don’t think we could agree on anything even amongst ourselves.
party_pants said:
I don’t think we could agree on anything even amongst ourselves.
Why not?
It’s already known as the Signal to Noise Party
party_pants said:
I don’t think we could agree on anything even amongst ourselves.
incorrect
Rule 303 said:
What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
I’ve been thinking about this lately.
I settled on “QoL” for the name.
Policies:
Improving quality of life for people and animals
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Revamping of the hospital system to eliminate hospital-acquired-illnesses
Promotion of pure science
Elimination of corruption
etc.
half the reason I hang out here is because it’s quite easy on the apolitical
mollwollfumble said:
Rule 303 said:What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
I’ve been thinking about this lately.
I settled on “QoL” for the name.
Policies:
Improving quality of life for people and animals
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Revamping of the hospital system to eliminate hospital-acquired-illnesses
Promotion of pure science
Elimination of corruption
etc.
Sounds like socialism.
mollwollfumble said:
Rule 303 said:What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
I’ve been thinking about this lately.
I settled on “QoL” for the name.
Policies:
Improving quality of life for people and animals
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Revamping of the hospital system to eliminate hospital-acquired-illnesses
Promotion of pure science
Elimination of corruption
etc.
Is it okay to make other peoples’ lives worse, as long as it makes yours better, then?
Whoops, ‘quoted’ buffy’s post when i meant to only ‘quote’ the ‘good scientist’ strip.
Apologies, buffy
Nah, you didn’t quote mine.
buffy said:
Nah, you didn’t quote mine.
It’s early, i’m easily confused. Apologies to whoever’s it was.
buffy said:
Revamping of the hospital system to eliminate hospital-acquired-illnesses
Having spent the best part of two decades working in hospitals, i’ve thought about this too.
Suggestions:
1. Remove all carpet from hospitals, including administrative offices. It gets dirty, and stays dirty, no matter what they do to it. It’s a wildlife park for bugs.
2. Treat visitors like the dirty bacterial zoos with bad habits that they are. Severely restrict their hours and their access to wards. Make the buggers wash their hands on entry to the premises.
3. Get over squeamishness about ‘chemicals’. There’s only three things that kill all germs on contact – alcohol, phenyle, and chlorine. Go back to using them in cleaning, and use them everywhere.
4. Give doctors a kick in the arse about sanitary practices. Some of them clearly believe that doctors don’t have germs. I’ve shared toilet facilities with a lot of them, and i’ve had cause to wonder about the upbringing of some of them, let alone their medical training.
The Australian Holiday Christian Democrats.
Small government, abolish at least one tier.
A sunlit upland where everybody has the opportunity to achieve their aspirations no matter how grand or humble they may be.
A safety net for those less fortunate.
The rights of the individual to be put in front of the rights of the collective where ever possible.
Freedom of religion tempered with the right to criticise all religions without being branded with a phobia.
Nationalise the aged care sector to stop profit gouging and more importantly allow those fit enough to Holiday in other care centres.
Revisit Section 44 of the Constitution so that Sibeen can be Mayor of Carlton if he wants.
Abolish the Senate or at least reform it so that some one trick pony with only 12 votes cant get elected.
And of course Holidays, more Holidays.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
Nah, you didn’t quote mine.It’s early, i’m easily confused. Apologies to whoever’s it was.
no worries.
Peak Warming Man said:
And of course Holidays, more Holidays.
Yes, that’s another promise from our childhoods that they reneged on, along with the flying cars.
Remember how they told us that, when we were adults, modern technology would provide us with so much leisure time we woudn’t know what to do with ourselves?
(Actually, i think that no flying cars in a good thing. Two-dimensional road traffic is lethal enough as it is, but at least it’s mostly confined to prescribed paths. Flying cars present the prospect of a ‘car’ plunging through your roof or into e.g. a crowded stadium at any moment.
>>Yes, that’s another promise from our childhoods that they reneged on, along with the flying cars.
Work is freedom, apparently.
captain_spalding said:
… Flying cars present the prospect of a ‘car’ plunging through your roof or into e.g. a crowded stadium at any moment.
be better than most half time entertainment.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Yes, that’s another promise from our childhoods that they reneged on, along with the flying cars.Work is freedom, apparently.
albert mack fryer.
Peak Warming Man said:
>>Yes, that’s another promise from our childhoods that they reneged on, along with the flying cars.Work is freedom, apparently.
I read a lot of Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines from decades past
https://books.google.ie/books/about/Popular_Mechanics.html?id=RdMDAAAAMBAJ&redir_esc=y
https://books.google.ie/books/about/Popular_Science.html?id=MC0DAAAAMBAJ&redir_esc=y
A theme that pops up in them now and then is how, ‘in the near future’, everyone will go out to the garage in the morning, push their little helicopter out, and tootle off in the sky to work.
Can you imagine the chaos?
To say nothing of the noise. Some articles mention rotors driven by little pulse jets at the rotor tips. There’s never been a pulse jet made that wasn’t appallingly loud. When they Ryan company (it think t was them) made a little P-J-rotor helicopter in the late ’50s, people who were nearly seven kilometres away complained about the noise when they flew it.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:Revamping of the hospital system to eliminate hospital-acquired-illnesses
Having spent the best part of two decades working in hospitals, i’ve thought about this too.
Suggestions:
1. Remove all carpet from hospitals, including administrative offices. It gets dirty, and stays dirty, no matter what they do to it. It’s a wildlife park for bugs.
2. Treat visitors like the dirty bacterial zoos with bad habits that they are. Severely restrict their hours and their access to wards. Make the buggers wash their hands on entry to the premises.
3. Get over squeamishness about ‘chemicals’. There’s only three things that kill all germs on contact – alcohol, phenyle, and chlorine. Go back to using them in cleaning, and use them everywhere.
4. Give doctors a kick in the arse about sanitary practices. Some of them clearly believe that doctors don’t have germs. I’ve shared toilet facilities with a lot of them, and i’ve had cause to wonder about the upbringing of some of them, let alone their medical training.
100% agree with this. I’d go a bit further.
5. Demolish and rebuild whichever hospital has the worst record for hospital-aquired-illness.
6. Remove all uncleanable crevices, and remove all plastics on which bacteria and mould can grow.
captain_spalding said:
Is it okay to make other peoples’ lives worse, as long as it makes yours better, then?
It is ok to make the lives of some individuals worse, that’s why we have prisons for instance.
> Sounds like socialism.
Not like Russian socialism.
mollwollfumble said:
captain_spalding said:
Is it okay to make other peoples’ lives worse, as long as it makes yours better, then?
It is ok to make the lives of some individuals worse, that’s why we have prisons for instance.
> Sounds like socialism.
Not like Russian socialism.
I was going to say, if it’s okay to make other peoples’ lives worse, as long as it makes yours better, well, that’s why we have the Liberal Party.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:Revamping of the hospital system to eliminate hospital-acquired-illnesses
Having spent the best part of two decades working in hospitals, i’ve thought about this too.
Suggestions:
1. Remove all carpet from hospitals, including administrative offices. It gets dirty, and stays dirty, no matter what they do to it. It’s a wildlife park for bugs.
2. Treat visitors like the dirty bacterial zoos with bad habits that they are. Severely restrict their hours and their access to wards. Make the buggers wash their hands on entry to the premises.
3. Get over squeamishness about ‘chemicals’. There’s only three things that kill all germs on contact – alcohol, phenyle, and chlorine. Go back to using them in cleaning, and use them everywhere.
4. Give doctors a kick in the arse about sanitary practices. Some of them clearly believe that doctors don’t have germs. I’ve shared toilet facilities with a lot of them, and i’ve had cause to wonder about the upbringing of some of them, let alone their medical training.
Being married to a woman who worked as a nurse in the UK in her younger years, I’d say that’s just how it used to be.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:Revamping of the hospital system to eliminate hospital-acquired-illnesses
Having spent the best part of two decades working in hospitals, i’ve thought about this too.
Suggestions:
1. Remove all carpet from hospitals, including administrative offices. It gets dirty, and stays dirty, no matter what they do to it. It’s a wildlife park for bugs.
2. Treat visitors like the dirty bacterial zoos with bad habits that they are. Severely restrict their hours and their access to wards. Make the buggers wash their hands on entry to the premises.
3. Get over squeamishness about ‘chemicals’. There’s only three things that kill all germs on contact – alcohol, phenyle, and chlorine. Go back to using them in cleaning, and use them everywhere.
4. Give doctors a kick in the arse about sanitary practices. Some of them clearly believe that doctors don’t have germs. I’ve shared toilet facilities with a lot of them, and i’ve had cause to wonder about the upbringing of some of them, let alone their medical training.
Being married to a woman who worked as a nurse in the UK in her younger years, I’d say that’s just how it used to be.
Except for the visitors washing hands bit.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Being married to a woman who worked as a nurse in the UK in her younger years, I’d say that’s just how it used to be.
That’s how it was. Mrs S, a Reg. Nurse for forty years, tells me that the furnishings, practices, and some of the methods used in today’s hospitals would have amounted to crimes back when she started.
Then it all got to be about trying to make hospitals like hotels, and about making things comfy for the execs and the docs, and being ‘welcoming’ to the visitors, and making hospitals into ‘communal spaces’.
I read about salt mines being converted to hospitals in I think Russia during world smack down the second and it was noted that despite primitive conditions infections were low which was attributed to the salty environment. So maybe all the walls and ceilings in hospitals painted or coated with a salt substance that kills by osmosis.
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
Rule 303 said:What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
I’ve been thinking about this lately.
I settled on “QoL” for the name.
Policies:
Improving quality of life for people and animals
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
Revamping of the hospital system to eliminate hospital-acquired-illnesses
Promotion of pure science
Elimination of corruption
etc.
Sounds like socialism.
Could also be controlled open marketism, if we could just find the politicians to sell it.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:Having spent the best part of two decades working in hospitals, i’ve thought about this too.
Suggestions:
1. Remove all carpet from hospitals, including administrative offices. It gets dirty, and stays dirty, no matter what they do to it. It’s a wildlife park for bugs.
2. Treat visitors like the dirty bacterial zoos with bad habits that they are. Severely restrict their hours and their access to wards. Make the buggers wash their hands on entry to the premises.
3. Get over squeamishness about ‘chemicals’. There’s only three things that kill all germs on contact – alcohol, phenyle, and chlorine. Go back to using them in cleaning, and use them everywhere.
4. Give doctors a kick in the arse about sanitary practices. Some of them clearly believe that doctors don’t have germs. I’ve shared toilet facilities with a lot of them, and i’ve had cause to wonder about the upbringing of some of them, let alone their medical training.
Being married to a woman who worked as a nurse in the UK in her younger years, I’d say that’s just how it used to be.
Except for the visitors washing hands bit.
Strip ‘em naked, i say. Hose ‘em down with carbolic, i say. Issue ‘em with disposable overalls to wear during their visit.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Australian Holiday Christian Democrats.Small government, abolish at least one tier.
A sunlit upland where everybody has the opportunity to achieve their aspirations no matter how grand or humble they may be.
A safety net for those less fortunate.
The rights of the individual to be put in front of the rights of the collective where ever possible.
Freedom of religion tempered with the right to criticise all religions without being branded with a phobia.
Nationalise the aged care sector to stop profit gouging and more importantly allow those fit enough to Holiday in other care centres.
Revisit Section 44 of the Constitution so that Sibeen can be Mayor of Carlton if he wants.
Abolish the Senate or at least reform it so that some one trick pony with only 12 votes cant get elected.
And of course Holidays, more Holidays.
Agree with most of that.
> Nationalise the aged care sector to stop profit gouging and more importantly allow those fit enough to Holiday in other care centres.
Having recently experienced the nationalised part of the aged care sector, am not impressed by it at all. My 98 year old f.i.l would be better off without his house being treated as rush hour central by nurses, most of whom are either superfluous or toxic.
> Revisit Section 44 of the Constitution so that Sibeen can be Mayor of Carlton if he wants.
That’s already in there. Called “private members bill”, we see it happening far too often.
I’d like to see a national quality of life survey.
Probably needs at least 50 questions, including ones like:
mollwollfumble said:
I’d like to see a national quality of life survey.Probably needs at least 50 questions, including ones like:
- On a scale of 0 to 10, how would you rate your quality of life?
- What most strongly hurts your quality of life?
- Are you, at this moment, in pain?
- Would you like a better job?
- Why?
- What is your biggest time-waster?
- What laws would you most like to see repealed?
- Is traffic a problem?
- What part(s) of government need a total overhaul?
- What is the best thing in your life?
Oh gawd. I’d fail miserably on those questions.
Asparagus seedlings.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Australian Holiday Christian Democrats.
On the basis that the names of small parties are almost always the exact opposite of what they really think, I suggest:
The un-Australian Slave-Work Christian Fascists
Peak Warming Man said:
Small government, abolish at least one tier.
Peak Warming Man said:
A sunlit upland where everybody has the opportunity to achieve their aspirations no matter how grand or humble they may be.
Peak Warming Man said:
A safety net for those less fortunate.
Peak Warming Man said:
The rights of the individual to be put in front of the rights of the collective where ever possible.
Peak Warming Man said:
Freedom of religion tempered with the right to criticise all religions without being branded with a phobia.
Peak Warming Man said:
Nationalise the aged care sector to stop profit gouging and more importantly allow those fit enough to Holiday in other care centres.
Peak Warming Man said:
Revisit Section 44 of the Constitution so that Sibeen can be Mayor of Carlton if he wants.
Peak Warming Man said:
Abolish the Senate or at least reform it so that some one trick pony with only 12 votes cant get elected.
Peak Warming Man said:
And of course Holidays, more Holidays.
Good to see that PWM and I agree on so many of the basics.
>* On a scale of 0 to 10, how would you rate your quality of life?
very good, on my good days
>* What most strongly hurts your quality of life?
comparisons, potentially, if I let it, which I don’t, mostly
>* Are you, at this moment, in pain?
psychic pain, most of which I enjoy, find ways of
>* Would you like a better job?
i’m already doing a really good job
>* What is your biggest time-waster?
I love wasting time, it’s a civilized thing to enjoy the value of just that
>* What laws would you most like to see repealed?
can’t think of any
>* Is traffic a problem?
no
>* What part(s) of government need a total overhaul?
can’t think of any, that need a total overhaul
>* What is the best thing in your life?
sleep. Punctuating wakefulness.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The rights of the individual to be put in front of the rights of the collective where ever possible.
Not even sure what that means. I suggest we drop that one, too open to abuse.
I wanted to quibble over this one too. My thoughts on the matter is that complex societies rely upon the power of the cooperative action over the individual in some respects. Too much individualism is bad for society. There needs to be a middle path.
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Peak Warming Man said:
The rights of the individual to be put in front of the rights of the collective where ever possible.
Not even sure what that means. I suggest we drop that one, too open to abuse.
I wanted to quibble over this one too. My thoughts on the matter is that complex societies rely upon the power of the cooperative action over the individual in some respects. Too much individualism is bad for society. There needs to be a middle path.
Too true. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Not even sure what that means. I suggest we drop that one, too open to abuse.
I wanted to quibble over this one too. My thoughts on the matter is that complex societies rely upon the power of the cooperative action over the individual in some respects. Too much individualism is bad for society. There needs to be a middle path.
Too true. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
commie.
>The rights of the individual to be put in front of the rights of the collective where ever possible.
i’d expect at least some of what PWM was pointing toward there is ideas of subsidiary function, that culture ought be left to be self-organizing to great extent, save building a labyrinthine construction that needs be constantly maintained.
I think the state should have the powers to decide on issues like land use and zoning and that sort of stuff, and have the power to resume land to build critical infrastructure.
party_pants said:
I think the state should have the powers to decide on issues like land use and zoning and that sort of stuff, and have the power to resume land to build critical infrastructure.
Alright when your state covers all of the river systems but on the eastern side we have four states fighting for water regulatory systems.
transition said:
>* On a scale of 0 to 10, how would you rate your quality of life?
very good, on my good days>* What most strongly hurts your quality of life?
comparisons, potentially, if I let it, which I don’t, mostly>* Are you, at this moment, in pain?
psychic pain, most of which I enjoy, find ways of>* Would you like a better job?
i’m already doing a really good job>* What is your biggest time-waster?
I love wasting time, it’s a civilized thing to enjoy the value of just that>* What laws would you most like to see repealed?
can’t think of any>* Is traffic a problem?
no>* What part(s) of government need a total overhaul?
can’t think of any, that need a total overhaul>* What is the best thing in your life?
sleep. Punctuating wakefulness.
You bloody glass half-full person.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Not even sure what that means. I suggest we drop that one, too open to abuse.
I wanted to quibble over this one too. My thoughts on the matter is that complex societies rely upon the power of the cooperative action over the individual in some respects. Too much individualism is bad for society. There needs to be a middle path.
Too true. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Nice one.
I bet all the satirical comedy teams out there wish they’d come up with that one.
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I think the state should have the powers to decide on issues like land use and zoning and that sort of stuff, and have the power to resume land to build critical infrastructure.
Alright when your state covers all of the river systems but on the eastern side we have four states fighting for water regulatory systems.
I think the Durray-Marling basin is a separate issue.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
>* On a scale of 0 to 10, how would you rate your quality of life?
very good, on my good days>* What most strongly hurts your quality of life?
comparisons, potentially, if I let it, which I don’t, mostly>* Are you, at this moment, in pain?
psychic pain, most of which I enjoy, find ways of>* Would you like a better job?
i’m already doing a really good job>* What is your biggest time-waster?
I love wasting time, it’s a civilized thing to enjoy the value of just that>* What laws would you most like to see repealed?
can’t think of any>* Is traffic a problem?
no>* What part(s) of government need a total overhaul?
can’t think of any, that need a total overhaul>* What is the best thing in your life?
sleep. Punctuating wakefulness.You bloody glass half-full person.
>* What most strongly hurts your quality of life?
Cancer
>* Are you, at this moment, in pain? Yes
>* Would you like a better job?
Retired
>* What is your biggest time-waster?
Cairns 10 days per month
>* What laws would you most like to see repealed?
Keep the present laws but enforce them
>* Is traffic a problem?
no
>* What part(s) of government need a total overhaul?
Total overhaul of all parts of all 3 tiers of government
>* What is the best thing in your life?
Being home
party_pants said:
roughbarked said:
party_pants said:
I think the state should have the powers to decide on issues like land use and zoning and that sort of stuff, and have the power to resume land to build critical infrastructure.
Alright when your state covers all of the river systems but on the eastern side we have four states fighting for water regulatory systems.
I think the Durray-Marling basin is a separate issue.
It is a national issue.
> >* Would you like a better job?
> Retired
Am retired but would like a better job.
Asked missy wyat her ideal job would be. Her answer:
“Something challenging but enjoyable”
I couldn’t have put it better myself.
mollwollfumble said:
captain_spalding said:
Is it okay to make other peoples’ lives worse, as long as it makes yours better, then?
It is ok to make the lives of some individuals worse, that’s why we have prisons for instance.
> Sounds like socialism.
Not like Russian socialism.
we don’t have prisons to make some people’s lives worse, we have to them protect the community (in the first instance) and as a punishment (that does not necessarily equate to ‘making their life worse’ though it certainly restricts some nonimprisonment activities), to deter and to rehabilitate.
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:
captain_spalding said:
Is it okay to make other peoples’ lives worse, as long as it makes yours better, then?
It is ok to make the lives of some individuals worse, that’s why we have prisons for instance.
> Sounds like socialism.
Not like Russian socialism.
we don’t have prisons to make some people’s lives worse, we have to them protect the community (in the first instance) and as a punishment (that does not necessarily equate to ‘making their life worse’ though it certainly restricts some nonimprisonment activities), to deter and to rehabilitate.
Whether intended or not, it does serve that purpose.
party_pants said:
Arts said:
mollwollfumble said:It is ok to make the lives of some individuals worse, that’s why we have prisons for instance.
> Sounds like socialism.
Not like Russian socialism.
we don’t have prisons to make some people’s lives worse, we have to them protect the community (in the first instance) and as a punishment (that does not necessarily equate to ‘making their life worse’ though it certainly restricts some nonimprisonment activities), to deter and to rehabilitate.
Whether intended or not, it does serve that purpose.
actually, prisons have programs to make people’s life better… because we know punishment doesn’t work, what does work is treating the reasons for the antisocial behaviour in the first place, which reduces recidivism.
Arts said:
party_pants said:
Arts said:we don’t have prisons to make some people’s lives worse, we have to them protect the community (in the first instance) and as a punishment (that does not necessarily equate to ‘making their life worse’ though it certainly restricts some nonimprisonment activities), to deter and to rehabilitate.
Whether intended or not, it does serve that purpose.
actually, prisons have programs to make people’s life better… because we know punishment doesn’t work, what does work is treating the reasons for the antisocial behaviour in the first place, which reduces recidivism.
pfft…soft.
sibeen said:
Arts said:
party_pants said:Whether intended or not, it does serve that purpose.
actually, prisons have programs to make people’s life better… because we know punishment doesn’t work, what does work is treating the reasons for the antisocial behaviour in the first place, which reduces recidivism.
pfft…soft.
nah… clever
> actually, prisons have programs to make people’s life better… because we know punishment doesn’t work, what does work is treating the reasons for the antisocial behaviour in the first place, which reduces recidivism.
Um, that’s the official line, anyway.
I say that prison is all about protection. Protecting those outside from those inside. Protecting those in minimum security from those in maximum security.
Freakonomics has an interesting take on it as well. The drop in crime rate in the USA is a direct consequence of Roe v Wade, the legalisation of abortion.
I was reading something interesting about Henry Hopwood last week. Apparently he was a policeman and a prisoner at the same time. After 2 years of good behaviour in prison he was made a policeman. He served 14 years in prison.
Rule 303 said:
What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
I’d like to add. Government-sponsored science projects directly related to quality of life of people and animals.
1. Hospital design to minimise the transmission of infective disease
2. Migration by moonlight and minimisation of the effects of outside lighting on extinction
3. Minimising noise pollution
4. Roads that don’t need maintenance
5. Minimising commuting time
6. Rewilding
7. New jobs
8. Red tape removal, how much and where
9. Bringing the science curriculum in schools up to date (and English, too)
10. Ideal strategy for reducing pain
11.
mollwollfumble said:
> actually, prisons have programs to make people’s life better… because we know punishment doesn’t work, what does work is treating the reasons for the antisocial behaviour in the first place, which reduces recidivism.Um, that’s the official line, anyway.
well, that’s what actually happens for the most part.. it’s based on research and review. It’s not perfect but it’s becoming more obvious that therapeutic jurisprudence has a more positive effect on recidivism that punishment alone.
mollwollfumble said:
I say that prison is all about protection. Protecting those outside from those inside. Protecting those in minimum security from those in maximum security.
it is some what about protection… though maximum and minimum security prisons are often separate anyway.. but its less about protection than peer inference.
mollwollfumble said:
Freakonomics has an interesting take on it as well. The drop in crime rate in the USA is a direct consequence of Roe v Wade, the legalisation of abortion.
I haven’t seen Freakanomics, but I have doubts that direct is the message they wanted to portray.. nothing is that precise in criminology … also trends are rarely the result of one thing… but I’ll try to find the episode.
I would also like to point out that the Aust. system is very different to the US system….
Rule 303 said:
What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
There is not enough political commonality here to make forming a party sensible.
dv said:
Rule 303 said:What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
There is not enough political commonality here to make forming a party sensible.
we could model ourselves on the Liberals’ broad church model.
Hahahahahahahahaha
sorry.
you always wonder where this lie that punishment doesn’t work comes from, probably the same place as the lie that rewards work
dv said:
Rule 303 said:What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
There is not enough political commonality here to make forming a party sensible.
‘sif, apparently everyone lives in the southwest
SCIENCE said:
dv said:
Rule 303 said:What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
There is not enough political commonality here to make forming a party sensible.
‘sif, apparently everyone lives in the southwest
Except perhaps rhose who refuse to participate. I’m glad i did refuse, because the abc is now marketting this as a representative poll of all australians. I call that illegal.
SCIENCE said:
you always wonder where this lie that punishment doesn’t work comes from, probably the same place as the lie that rewards work
I haven’t wondered about that very often.
I was reading a Beatrix Potter yesterday where Benjamin Bunny gets whipper by his father for bad behaviour. So if punishment doesn’t work why advertise it in a childrens book?
I wonder if it is possible to track dowh the origins of “punishment doesn’t work” through either newspaper articles or psychology papers.
ChrispenEvan said:
dv said:
Rule 303 said:What would the Science Forum political party be called? And what would our policies be?
There is not enough political commonality here to make forming a party sensible.
we could model ourselves on the Liberals’ broad church model.
Hahahahahahahahaha
sorry.
Heh.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
you always wonder where this lie that punishment doesn’t work comes from, probably the same place as the lie that rewards work
I haven’t wondered about that very often.
I was reading a Beatrix Potter yesterday where Benjamin Bunny gets whipper by his father for bad behaviour. So if punishment doesn’t work why advertise it in a childrens book?
I wonder if it is possible to track dowh the origins of “punishment doesn’t work” through either newspaper articles or psychology papers.
related perhaps, skinner’s work on rewards/positive reinforcements sort of got hijacked/inverted.
of times past, a black box view of minds may have been fashionable too, then, later, through some magic of materialism, everyone had a mind. The idea’s out there now, everyone’s got a mind, and they’re all equal.
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
dv said:There is not enough political commonality here to make forming a party sensible.
‘sif, apparently everyone lives in the southwest
Except perhaps rhose who refuse to participate. I’m glad i did refuse, because the abc is now marketting this as a representative poll of all australians. I call that illegal.
Show working.
Witty Rejoinder said:
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:‘sif, apparently everyone lives in the southwest
Except perhaps those who refuse to participate. I’m glad i did refuse, because the abc is now marketing this as a representative poll of all australians. I call that illegal.
Show working.
If it isn’t illegal, the Science Forum Party promises to make sales of results from non-representative election polls illegal.
SCIENCE said:
you always wonder where this lie that punishment doesn’t work comes from, probably the same place as the lie that rewards work
well, if it did work there’d be no recidivism.. but we know that’s not true
mollwollfumble said:
SCIENCE said:
you always wonder where this lie that punishment doesn’t work comes from, probably the same place as the lie that rewards work
I haven’t wondered about that very often.
I was reading a Beatrix Potter yesterday where Benjamin Bunny gets whipper by his father for bad behaviour. So if punishment doesn’t work why advertise it in a childrens book?
I wonder if it is possible to track dowh the origins of “punishment doesn’t work” through either newspaper articles or psychology papers.
yes, it’s what’s a lot of criminology is based on…
More thoughts for Science Forum Party policies.
(PS, don’t forget Science Party in senate)
Better set of policies for hypothetical “Quality of Life” party.
mollwollfumble said:
More thoughts for Science Forum Party policies.(PS, don’t forget Science Party in senate)
Better set of policies for hypothetical “Quality of Life” party.
- Better jobs for everyone
- Quicker and cheaper transport
- More free off-street parking
- Scientific assessment of risk
- No unnecessary paperwork
- Humanist morality
- Immediate resolution of disputes
- More sanctuaries for wildlife and people
- Respect the elderly
- Less waiting time for approvals, medical help, and court cases
- Elimination of matrix management
- Pollution reduction
- Diversification of energy supply
- Better handling of mental illness
- Elimination of hospital-acquired illness
- Housing reform
- Enthusiasm + Experience + Intelligence
- Open government to minimise corruption
- Manufacturing
- Free websites for all small businesses
- Elimination of phone and email scams
- Reduction in advertising repeats and obnoxiousness
- Truth doesn’t need sugar-coating or hyping
- Defence does not mean attack
- Innocent until proven guilty
- Global networking
- Pure science
Looks like we should rename it the Engineering Party.
Other than the last point, obviously.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
More thoughts for Science Forum Party policies.(PS, don’t forget Science Party in senate)
Better set of policies for hypothetical “Quality of Life” party.
- Better jobs for everyone
- Quicker and cheaper transport
- More free off-street parking
- Scientific assessment of risk
- No unnecessary paperwork
- Humanist morality
- Immediate resolution of disputes
- More sanctuaries for wildlife and people
- Respect the elderly
- Less waiting time for approvals, medical help, and court cases
- Elimination of matrix management
- Pollution reduction
- Diversification of energy supply
- Better handling of mental illness
- Elimination of hospital-acquired illness
- Housing reform
- Enthusiasm + Experience + Intelligence
- Open government to minimise corruption
- Manufacturing
- Free websites for all small businesses
- Elimination of phone and email scams
- Reduction in advertising repeats and obnoxiousness
- Truth doesn’t need sugar-coating or hyping
- Defence does not mean attack
- Innocent until proven guilty
- Global networking
- Pure science
Looks like we should rename it the Engineering Party.
Other than the last point, obviously.
i think a lot of those would hella expensive with little gain.
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
More thoughts for Science Forum Party policies.(PS, don’t forget Science Party in senate)
Better set of policies for hypothetical “Quality of Life” party.
- Better jobs for everyone
- Quicker and cheaper transport
- More free off-street parking
- Scientific assessment of risk
- No unnecessary paperwork
- Humanist morality
- Immediate resolution of disputes
- More sanctuaries for wildlife and people
- Respect the elderly
- Less waiting time for approvals, medical help, and court cases
- Elimination of matrix management
- Pollution reduction
- Diversification of energy supply
- Better handling of mental illness
- Elimination of hospital-acquired illness
- Housing reform
- Enthusiasm + Experience + Intelligence
- Open government to minimise corruption
- Manufacturing
- Free websites for all small businesses
- Elimination of phone and email scams
- Reduction in advertising repeats and obnoxiousness
- Truth doesn’t need sugar-coating or hyping
- Defence does not mean attack
- Innocent until proven guilty
- Global networking
- Pure science
Looks like we should rename it the Engineering Party.
Other than the last point, obviously.
WTF is humanist morality?
ChrispenEvan said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
More thoughts for Science Forum Party policies.(PS, don’t forget Science Party in senate)
Better set of policies for hypothetical “Quality of Life” party.
- Better jobs for everyone
- Quicker and cheaper transport
- More free off-street parking
- Scientific assessment of risk
- No unnecessary paperwork
- Humanist morality
- Immediate resolution of disputes
- More sanctuaries for wildlife and people
- Respect the elderly
- Less waiting time for approvals, medical help, and court cases
- Elimination of matrix management
- Pollution reduction
- Diversification of energy supply
- Better handling of mental illness
- Elimination of hospital-acquired illness
- Housing reform
- Enthusiasm + Experience + Intelligence
- Open government to minimise corruption
- Manufacturing
- Free websites for all small businesses
- Elimination of phone and email scams
- Reduction in advertising repeats and obnoxiousness
- Truth doesn’t need sugar-coating or hyping
- Defence does not mean attack
- Innocent until proven guilty
- Global networking
- Pure science
Looks like we should rename it the Engineering Party.
Other than the last point, obviously.
i think a lot of those would hella expensive with little gain.
That’s why you need an engineering approach, not a scientific one.
Recognise all the costs, including estimated future costs, then maximise the benefit/cost ratio.
ChrispenEvan said:
i think a lot of those would hella expensive with little gain.
What we’re getting right now is hella expensive with little gain.
