…decided this election. Is that a fair summary?
It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.
Bubblecar said:
…decided this election. Is that a fair summary?It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.
Just like the US. Dummies voting against their own future.
kii said:
Bubblecar said:
…decided this election. Is that a fair summary?It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.
Just like the US. Dummies voting against their own future.
It seems they like to live in fear.
Yeah, just deplorables, aren’t they?
I do not agree with the sentiment of this thread. The top end of society is just as much to blame, if blame is what you are looking for.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Yeah, just deplorables, aren’t they?
Actually they are. The deplorables here in the poor US states who are so stupid that they lapped up all the Trump frothy spew and then voted for him!! Now he’s thrown them under bus after bus after bus and they still want him re-elected!!!
buffy said:
I do not agree with the sentiment of this thread. The top end of society is just as much to blame, if blame is what you are looking for.
Just in case my last post may have been ambiguous, I agree with buffy.
kii said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Yeah, just deplorables, aren’t they?
Actually they are. The deplorables here in the poor US states who are so stupid that they lapped up all the Trump frothy spew and then voted for him!! Now he’s thrown them under bus after bus after bus and they still want him re-elected!!!
I hope that attitude makes you happy, because it don’t do your health much good.
Meh, Flint Michigan also voted for Obama which suggests calling everyone stupid is pretty stupid.
Remember, I live in Wannon. Wannon has been Liberal since Malcolm Fraser won it in 1955. the rich and powerful drive the Liberals winning here. In my practice I see both ends of the scale. I have no idea why the poor vote Liberal.
buffy said:
I do not agree with the sentiment of this thread. The top end of society is just as much to blame, if blame is what you are looking for.
The top end strikes the fear of debt into the hearts of the dumbed down.
buffy said:
I do not agree with the sentiment of this thread. The top end of society is just as much to blame, if blame is what you are looking for.
Deplorables come from all areas of society. As seen by Trump, Abbott etc etc
buffy said:
I have no idea why the poor vote Liberal.
Ohhhh, I know the answer to that one, it’s cos they are fuckhead cretins.
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Yeah, just deplorables, aren’t they?
Actually they are. The deplorables here in the poor US states who are so stupid that they lapped up all the Trump frothy spew and then voted for him!! Now he’s thrown them under bus after bus after bus and they still want him re-elected!!!
I hope that attitude makes you happy, because it don’t do your health much good.
On reflection, that comment was a bit Duttonesque. Apologies.
FWIW, it was an Incredible String Band reference.
AwesomeO said:
buffy said:I have no idea why the poor vote Liberal.Ohhhh, I know the answer to that one, it’s cos they are fuckhead cretins.
Think you are being too kind?
The Rev Dodgson said:
kii said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Yeah, just deplorables, aren’t they?
Actually they are. The deplorables here in the poor US states who are so stupid that they lapped up all the Trump frothy spew and then voted for him!! Now he’s thrown them under bus after bus after bus and they still want him re-elected!!!
I hope that attitude makes you happy, because it don’t do your health much good.
I know you are concerned for my health, but I am beyond caring for anything outside my four walls right now. If people want to lie down and be run over, why should I care? I’ve been so angry about this election result, and I am now relieved that the true colours of our country are out in the open. I’ll put my energies into planting stuff in my garden and artwork. It’s officially me giving up on it all.
buffy said:
Remember, I live in Wannon. Wannon has been Liberal since Malcolm Fraser won it in 1955. the rich and powerful drive the Liberals winning here. In my practice I see both ends of the scale. I have no idea why the poor vote Liberal.
I do.
Poorly educated, poor nutrition = poor mental health = poor decision-making skills, brainwashed by reality tv, brainwashed by the Catholic church etc, brainwashed my commercialism….it is so fucking evident.
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
buffy said:I have no idea why the poor vote Liberal.Ohhhh, I know the answer to that one, it’s cos they are fuckhead cretins.
Think you are being too kind?
If i were you wouldn’t engage with Curve on this, rb.
And thinking some more about it, I think a large part of it is simple mass hysteria. It’s not new. I’m reading a book at the moment called Of Bridles and Burnings, the punishment of women. These days the Internet allows much greater dissemination of information, so it isn’t just the one village or town that turns into a raving mob. I don’t think I want to think about what this means for the future.
buffy said:
And thinking some more about it, I think a large part of it is simple mass hysteria. It’s not new. I’m reading a book at the moment called Of Bridles and Burnings, the punishment of women. These days the Internet allows much greater dissemination of information, so it isn’t just the one village or town that turns into a raving mob. I don’t think I want to think about what this means for the future.
An example here: Tamb was taken for a ride with the ‘inheritance tax’ fake news, I doubt he was an outlier in that age group.
buffy said:
And thinking some more about it, I think a large part of it is simple mass hysteria. It’s not new. I’m reading a book at the moment called Of Bridles and Burnings, the punishment of women. These days the Internet allows much greater dissemination of information, so it isn’t just the one village or town that turns into a raving mob. I don’t think I want to think about what this means for the future.
It is a bit scary.
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:And thinking some more about it, I think a large part of it is simple mass hysteria. It’s not new. I’m reading a book at the moment called Of Bridles and Burnings, the punishment of women. These days the Internet allows much greater dissemination of information, so it isn’t just the one village or town that turns into a raving mob. I don’t think I want to think about what this means for the future.
An example here: Tamb was taken for a ride with the ‘inheritance tax’ fake news, I doubt he was an outlier in that age group.
Actually I had my doubts as to it’s veracity. Some discussion here showed the truth.
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
buffy said:I have no idea why the poor vote Liberal.Ohhhh, I know the answer to that one, it’s cos they are fuckhead cretins.
Think you are being too kind?
Tamb said:
poikilotherm said:
buffy said:And thinking some more about it, I think a large part of it is simple mass hysteria. It’s not new. I’m reading a book at the moment called Of Bridles and Burnings, the punishment of women. These days the Internet allows much greater dissemination of information, so it isn’t just the one village or town that turns into a raving mob. I don’t think I want to think about what this means for the future.
An example here: Tamb was taken for a ride with the ‘inheritance tax’ fake news, I doubt he was an outlier in that age group.
Actually I had my doubts as to it’s veracity. Some discussion here showed the truth.
But at least you asked. Many people of any age simply take it for true if it’s on the Internet.
I think certainly the big hit seen very recently from the escalating trade war was a factor, that and depressed property values
transition said:
I think certainly the big hit seen very recently from the escalating trade war was a factor, that and depressed property values
What big hit from escalating trade war?
Property prices are still very high compared with long term trends.
buffy said:
I do not agree with the sentiment of this thread. The top end of society is just as much to blame, if blame is what you are looking for.
It’s not a matter of sentiment. In terms of voting, the “top end of society” tends to vote consistently, and so rarely decides elections.
Elections are normally decided in marginal seats by voters who can be manipulated by the campaigns (i.e. the party campaigns and Murdoch’s campaign).
The top end voted Liberal. All votes are equal. All are culpable for re-electing the government, if you are apportioning blame.
And yes, your premise is sentiment.
buffy said:
The top end voted Liberal. All votes are equal. All are culpable for re-electing the government, if you are apportioning blame.
And yes, your premise is sentiment.
Safe seats don’t normally decide elections.
I’m not sure what you mean by “sentiment”.
>>It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.<<
This is sentiment. There are educated swinging voters. There are intelligent swinging voters. Some of them probably even live in marginal electorates. Yes, it’s the swingers in the marginals who can change governments, but it is rude to pick on those of lower education and intellect.
buffy said:
>>It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.<<
This is sentiment. There are educated swinging voters. There are intelligent swinging voters. Some of them probably even live in marginal electorates. Yes, it’s the swingers in the marginals who can change governments, but it is rude to pick on those of lower education and intellect.
It’s not a matter of being rude, it’s a matter of trying to establish the truth.
People of low intelligence and poor education can be expected to be easily manipulated and often make unfortunate voting choices.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:>>It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.<<
This is sentiment. There are educated swinging voters. There are intelligent swinging voters. Some of them probably even live in marginal electorates. Yes, it’s the swingers in the marginals who can change governments, but it is rude to pick on those of lower education and intellect.
It’s not a matter of being rude, it’s a matter of trying to establish the truth.
People of low intelligence and poor education can be expected to be easily manipulated and often make unfortunate voting choices.
and yet you had all the upper classes in 1930s Britain thinking Hitler was the goods.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:I do not agree with the sentiment of this thread. The top end of society is just as much to blame, if blame is what you are looking for.
It’s not a matter of sentiment. In terms of voting, the “top end of society” tends to vote consistently, and so rarely decides elections.
Elections are normally decided in marginal seats by voters who can be manipulated by the campaigns (i.e. the party campaigns and Murdoch’s campaign).
Anyway, you can scarcely blame the very wealthy from voting in their own interests.
ChrispenEvan said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:>>It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.<<
This is sentiment. There are educated swinging voters. There are intelligent swinging voters. Some of them probably even live in marginal electorates. Yes, it’s the swingers in the marginals who can change governments, but it is rude to pick on those of lower education and intellect.
It’s not a matter of being rude, it’s a matter of trying to establish the truth.
People of low intelligence and poor education can be expected to be easily manipulated and often make unfortunate voting choices.
and yet you had all the upper classes in 1930s Britain thinking Hitler was the goods.
Not all of them, no. And the British upper classes are often stupid and poorly educated.
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Bubblecar said:It’s not a matter of being rude, it’s a matter of trying to establish the truth.
People of low intelligence and poor education can be expected to be easily manipulated and often make unfortunate voting choices.
and yet you had all the upper classes in 1930s Britain thinking Hitler was the goods.
Not all of them, no. And the British upper classes are often stupid and poorly educated.
So the stupid and poorly educated should not be allowed to vote? I think I’ve heard that sort of sentiment somewhere before, in the history books…
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:and yet you had all the upper classes in 1930s Britain thinking Hitler was the goods.
Not all of them, no. And the British upper classes are often stupid and poorly educated.
So the stupid and poorly educated should not be allowed to vote? I think I’ve heard that sort of sentiment somewhere before, in the history books…
I didn’t say they shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
But there’s a strong argument that they shouldn’t be compelled to vote, either.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:>>It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.<<
This is sentiment. There are educated swinging voters. There are intelligent swinging voters. Some of them probably even live in marginal electorates. Yes, it’s the swingers in the marginals who can change governments, but it is rude to pick on those of lower education and intellect.
It’s not a matter of being rude, it’s a matter of trying to establish the truth.
People of low intelligence and poor education can be expected to be easily manipulated and often make unfortunate voting choices.
This. The easy manipulation is so evident.
dv said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:I do not agree with the sentiment of this thread. The top end of society is just as much to blame, if blame is what you are looking for.
It’s not a matter of sentiment. In terms of voting, the “top end of society” tends to vote consistently, and so rarely decides elections.
Elections are normally decided in marginal seats by voters who can be manipulated by the campaigns (i.e. the party campaigns and Murdoch’s campaign).
Anyway, you can scarcely blame the very wealthy from voting in their own interests.
Yes I can.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:and yet you had all the upper classes in 1930s Britain thinking Hitler was the goods.
Not all of them, no. And the British upper classes are often stupid and poorly educated.
So the stupid and poorly educated should not be allowed to vote? I think I’ve heard that sort of sentiment somewhere before, in the history books…
Trouble with those ideas is where is the cut off line and will it ever be moved so that one day oneself is below it?
:-)
ChrispenEvan said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:>>It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.<<
This is sentiment. There are educated swinging voters. There are intelligent swinging voters. Some of them probably even live in marginal electorates. Yes, it’s the swingers in the marginals who can change governments, but it is rude to pick on those of lower education and intellect.
It’s not a matter of being rude, it’s a matter of trying to establish the truth.
People of low intelligence and poor education can be expected to be easily manipulated and often make unfortunate voting choices.
and yet you had all the upper classes in 1930s Britain thinking Hitler was the goods.
And quite a few Cambridge people were Communist spies.
Kim Philby: I got away with treachery ‘because I was upper class’
I hope Wong throws her hat in the ring
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
ChrispenEvan said:and yet you had all the upper classes in 1930s Britain thinking Hitler was the goods.
Not all of them, no. And the British upper classes are often stupid and poorly educated.
So the stupid and poorly educated should not be allowed to vote? I think I’ve heard that sort of sentiment somewhere before, in the history books…
No. You provide better opportunities for people to learn, think rationally and become involved in their communities.
dv said:
I hope Wong throws her hat in the ring
Wouldn’t she need to move to the lower house to do that?
dv said:
I hope Wong throws her hat in the ring
Me too.
Bubblecar said:
…decided this election. Is that a fair summary?It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.
That,
and a swing to alt right bought about by the media spreading Trump and One Nation hatred around the whole place.
failure of labor to see through the perceived disunity that the government was doing business as usual
labor criticising negative gearing and some other liberal polices that swinging voters would think would hurt their hip pockets
dv said:
I hope Wong throws her hat in the ring
Nah, her refusal to shake hands with an opponent was childish and arrogant.
Tanya would go alright and Albo jumped out of the gates early on election night and gave a leadership speech.
I think they will go with Albo.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I hope Wong throws her hat in the ring
Nah, her refusal to shake hands with an opponent was childish and arrogant.
Tanya would go alright and Albo jumped out of the gates early on election night and gave a leadership speech.
I think they will go with Albo.
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
I hope Wong throws her hat in the ring
Nah, her refusal to shake hands with an opponent was childish and arrogant.
Tanya would go alright and Albo jumped out of the gates early on election night and gave a leadership speech.
I think they will go with Albo.
I wasn’t all that impressed with Wong on TV last night.
Ah, the two old white men don’t approve of the woman.
kii said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:Nah, her refusal to shake hands with an opponent was childish and arrogant.
Tanya would go alright and Albo jumped out of the gates early on election night and gave a leadership speech.
I think they will go with Albo.
I wasn’t all that impressed with Wong on TV last night.Ah, the two old white men don’t approve of the woman.
Oh, FFS, you can be disapointed with someone no matter what their gender is.
kii said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:Nah, her refusal to shake hands with an opponent was childish and arrogant.
Tanya would go alright and Albo jumped out of the gates early on election night and gave a leadership speech.
I think they will go with Albo.
I wasn’t all that impressed with Wong on TV last night.Ah, the two old white men don’t approve of the woman.
kii said:
Tamb said:
Peak Warming Man said:Nah, her refusal to shake hands with an opponent was childish and arrogant.
Tanya would go alright and Albo jumped out of the gates early on election night and gave a leadership speech.
I think they will go with Albo.
I wasn’t all that impressed with Wong on TV last night.Ah, the two old white men don’t approve of the woman.
That’s a very ageist, sexist and raciest comment.
sibeen said:
kii said:
Tamb said:I wasn’t all that impressed with Wong on TV last night.
Ah, the two old white men don’t approve of the woman.
Oh, FFS, you can be disapointed with someone no matter what their gender is.
Yes. I’m often disappointed with you.
I didn’t want to emphasise Wong’s Asian married lesbian status.
Tamb said:
kii said:
Tamb said:I wasn’t all that impressed with Wong on TV last night.
Ah, the two old white men don’t approve of the woman.
Her gender has nothing to do with her shortcomings.
How do you think you are aware of her comings?
kii said:
sibeen said:
kii said:Ah, the two old white men don’t approve of the woman.
Oh, FFS, you can be disapointed with someone no matter what their gender is.
Yes. I’m often disappointed with you.
I didn’t want to emphasise Wong’s Asian married lesbian status.
ROFL
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
kii said:Ah, the two old white men don’t approve of the woman.
Her gender has nothing to do with her shortcomings.How do you think you are aware of her comings?
It was the same old combination of fear and greed, administered by lies and misinformation. What can be said is a dominant portion of Australia’s population is very gullible.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:>>It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.<<
This is sentiment. There are educated swinging voters. There are intelligent swinging voters. Some of them probably even live in marginal electorates. Yes, it’s the swingers in the marginals who can change governments, but it is rude to pick on those of lower education and intellect.
It’s not a matter of being rude, it’s a matter of trying to establish the truth.
People of low intelligence and poor education can be expected to be easily manipulated and often make unfortunate voting choices.
I would have assumed that the majority of swinging voters and well as the majority of voters in marginal seats would be middle income earners who neither fit the demographic of a hardline Labor nor a hardline Liberal, and are the main campaign targets of both parties.
i was gunna ask in chat how people feel about the election outcome and discovered there was much reading to do on the subject here. :)))
KJW said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:>>It’s the least educated and least intelligent “swinging” voters in the marginals that tend to decide elections, and I’m assuming this was no exception.<<
This is sentiment. There are educated swinging voters. There are intelligent swinging voters. Some of them probably even live in marginal electorates. Yes, it’s the swingers in the marginals who can change governments, but it is rude to pick on those of lower education and intellect.
It’s not a matter of being rude, it’s a matter of trying to establish the truth.
People of low intelligence and poor education can be expected to be easily manipulated and often make unfortunate voting choices.
I would have assumed that the majority of swinging voters and well as the majority of voters in marginal seats would be middle income earners who neither fit the demographic of a hardline Labor nor a hardline Liberal, and are the main campaign targets of both parties.
It always used to be the case that the majority of swingers were the least educated and most politically ignorant voters. There were studies done that showed this.
They certainly are traditionally the targets of the campaigns, which is why such campaigns are so often of low quality and focused on personalities and scare tactics.
Bubblecar said:
KJW said:
I would have assumed that the majority of swinging voters and well as the majority of voters in marginal seats would be middle income earners who neither fit the demographic of a hardline Labor nor a hardline Liberal, and are the main campaign targets of both parties.
It always used to be the case that the majority of swingers were the least educated and most politically ignorant voters. There were studies done that showed this.
They certainly are traditionally the targets of the campaigns, which is why such campaigns are so often of low quality and focused on personalities and scare tactics.
That raises the question of who the middle income earners vote for. I find it difficult to accept that these people would not be swinging voters.
buffy said:
Remember, I live in Wannon. Wannon has been Liberal since Malcolm Fraser won it in 1955. the rich and powerful drive the Liberals winning here. In my practice I see both ends of the scale. I have no idea why the poor vote Liberal.
Well, Gillard was a good reason to vote Liberal. So is Shorten.
On the other hand, Fraser, Howard, Abbott, were very good reasons to vote Labor.
Vote Democrats.
I was a Labor voter in my youth but, looking back on it now, Holt was a good prime minister. And in retrospect, Gorton and McMahon weren’t too bad.
I find myself in total agreement with kii about the USA.
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:Remember, I live in Wannon. Wannon has been Liberal since Malcolm Fraser won it in 1955. the rich and powerful drive the Liberals winning here. In my practice I see both ends of the scale. I have no idea why the poor vote Liberal.
Well, Gillard was a good reason to vote Liberal. So is Shorten.
On the other hand, Fraser, Howard, Abbott, were very good reasons to vote Labor.
Vote Democrats.
I was a Labor voter in my youth but, looking back on it now, Holt was a good prime minister. And in retrospect, Gorton and McMahon weren’t too bad.
I find myself in total agreement with kii about the USA.
History will be kind to Julia Gillard. She presided over a hung parliament, a minority government, and she got a hella lot of things done. But it will be some time before it is recognized properly.
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:
buffy said:Remember, I live in Wannon. Wannon has been Liberal since Malcolm Fraser won it in 1955. the rich and powerful drive the Liberals winning here. In my practice I see both ends of the scale. I have no idea why the poor vote Liberal.
Well, Gillard was a good reason to vote Liberal. So is Shorten.
On the other hand, Fraser, Howard, Abbott, were very good reasons to vote Labor.
Vote Democrats.
I was a Labor voter in my youth but, looking back on it now, Holt was a good prime minister. And in retrospect, Gorton and McMahon weren’t too bad.
I find myself in total agreement with kii about the USA.
History will be kind to Julia Gillard. She presided over a hung parliament, a minority government, and she got a hella lot of things done. But it will be some time before it is recognized properly.
I thought she did a good job under very trying conditions with strong opposition from just about everywhere.
PermeateFree said:
buffy said:
mollwollfumble said:Well, Gillard was a good reason to vote Liberal. So is Shorten.
On the other hand, Fraser, Howard, Abbott, were very good reasons to vote Labor.
Vote Democrats.
I was a Labor voter in my youth but, looking back on it now, Holt was a good prime minister. And in retrospect, Gorton and McMahon weren’t too bad.
I find myself in total agreement with kii about the USA.
History will be kind to Julia Gillard. She presided over a hung parliament, a minority government, and she got a hella lot of things done. But it will be some time before it is recognized properly.
I thought she did a good job under very trying conditions with strong opposition from just about everywhere.
She was the wrong person for the job, an ineffective communicator. Given that so much of the role of PM is PR, such a poor speaker was a burden rather than a boon for the government.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
buffy said:History will be kind to Julia Gillard. She presided over a hung parliament, a minority government, and she got a hella lot of things done. But it will be some time before it is recognized properly.
I thought she did a good job under very trying conditions with strong opposition from just about everywhere.
She was the wrong person for the job, an ineffective communicator. Given that so much of the role of PM is PR, such a poor speaker was a burden rather than a boon for the government.
I think you should actually look up what she achieved.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:I thought she did a good job under very trying conditions with strong opposition from just about everywhere.
She was the wrong person for the job, an ineffective communicator. Given that so much of the role of PM is PR, such a poor speaker was a burden rather than a boon for the government.
I think you should actually look up what she achieved.
She was very inconsistent. A supposed feminist who made life harder for single mothers. A supposed left-winger who opposed marriage equality.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:She was the wrong person for the job, an ineffective communicator. Given that so much of the role of PM is PR, such a poor speaker was a burden rather than a boon for the government.
I think you should actually look up what she achieved.
She was very inconsistent. A supposed feminist who made life harder for single mothers. A supposed left-winger who opposed marriage equality.
She was a very, very good negotiator. So to call her a poor communicator is just plain wrong.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:I think you should actually look up what she achieved.
She was very inconsistent. A supposed feminist who made life harder for single mothers. A supposed left-winger who opposed marriage equality.
She was a very, very good negotiator. So to call her a poor communicator is just plain wrong.
She was a poor public communicator. The leader is the public face of the party, and as PM, the public face of the government. You have to get that bit right, even if you get everything else wrong :)
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:She was the wrong person for the job, an ineffective communicator. Given that so much of the role of PM is PR, such a poor speaker was a burden rather than a boon for the government.
I think you should actually look up what she achieved.
She was very inconsistent. A supposed feminist who made life harder for single mothers. A supposed left-winger who opposed marriage equality.
Ahh the real reason behind your opposition.
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:She was very inconsistent. A supposed feminist who made life harder for single mothers. A supposed left-winger who opposed marriage equality.
She was a very, very good negotiator. So to call her a poor communicator is just plain wrong.
She was a poor public communicator. The leader is the public face of the party, and as PM, the public face of the government. You have to get that bit right, even if you get everything else wrong :)
Well, I’m happier with someone who gets things done than someone who is all decoration. This seems to be like a good outline. It’s actually more impressive than I had thought.
https://singletonauspol.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/gillard-governments-achievements-and-failures/
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:I think you should actually look up what she achieved.
She was very inconsistent. A supposed feminist who made life harder for single mothers. A supposed left-winger who opposed marriage equality.
Ahh the real reason behind your opposition.
Nah, just one to throw in the mix. I supported her at first, and was proud we had a female PM, but she really wasn’t up to the job.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
buffy said:She was a very, very good negotiator. So to call her a poor communicator is just plain wrong.
She was a poor public communicator. The leader is the public face of the party, and as PM, the public face of the government. You have to get that bit right, even if you get everything else wrong :)
Well, I’m happier with someone who gets things done than someone who is all decoration. This seems to be like a good outline. It’s actually more impressive than I had thought.
https://singletonauspol.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/gillard-governments-achievements-and-failures/
From the very quickest look some are debacles and some are Rudds ie the apology. Not trusting that list.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:She was very inconsistent. A supposed feminist who made life harder for single mothers. A supposed left-winger who opposed marriage equality.
Ahh the real reason behind your opposition.
Nah, just one to throw in the mix. I supported her at first, and was proud we had a female PM, but she really wasn’t up to the job.
B.Car, I have read your posts for some time and one thing that stands out like a sore thumb, is your fanatical bias towards the gay community and anyone who waves a little finger at it is going to attract your wrath and your forever disapproval.
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:Ahh the real reason behind your opposition.
Nah, just one to throw in the mix. I supported her at first, and was proud we had a female PM, but she really wasn’t up to the job.
B.Car, I have read your posts for some time and one thing that stands out like a sore thumb, is your fanatical bias towards the gay community and anyone who waves a little finger at it is going to attract your wrath and your forever disapproval.
Meh, Julia Gillard herself regards her former position on the marriage equality issue as a big mistake and has apologised for it.
AwesomeO said:
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:She was a poor public communicator. The leader is the public face of the party, and as PM, the public face of the government. You have to get that bit right, even if you get everything else wrong :)
Well, I’m happier with someone who gets things done than someone who is all decoration. This seems to be like a good outline. It’s actually more impressive than I had thought.
https://singletonauspol.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/gillard-governments-achievements-and-failures/
From the very quickest look some are debacles and some are Rudds ie the apology. Not trusting that list.
She also did an apology. You need to read the detail.
Bubblecar said:
PermeateFree said:
Bubblecar said:Nah, just one to throw in the mix. I supported her at first, and was proud we had a female PM, but she really wasn’t up to the job.
B.Car, I have read your posts for some time and one thing that stands out like a sore thumb, is your fanatical bias towards the gay community and anyone who waves a little finger at it is going to attract your wrath and your forever disapproval.
Meh, Julia Gillard herself regards her former position on the marriage equality issue as a big mistake and has apologised for it.
You used it not me, I liked her and think she got a raw deal as you just proved.
imagine there’s a powerful notion, an ideological lens, adopted by an imperfect consciousness to tidy up an impossible world.
market forces and capitalism are democracy
the aspirationals adopt this, like religion, and the two are commonly inseparable.
religion-proper has long delivered through thrift and industry, the will. And for any that weren’t happy with just worship of the Lord, there was wealth.
it evolved, and a person didn’t have to worship God at all, just capitalism, market forces, the acquisition of wealth, and it turns out money has superior conversion qualities exceeding even God.
God became a capitalist, divested his absolute powers, and capitalism became God.
by using the expression white trash, car, you’re playing their secret game, indulging their secret ways.
you’re projecting the flipside of the love that is the good work of aspirationals.
transition said:
imagine there’s a powerful notion, an ideological lens, adopted by an imperfect consciousness to tidy up an impossible world.market forces and capitalism are democracy
the aspirationals adopt this, like religion, and the two are commonly inseparable.
religion-proper has long delivered through thrift and industry, the will. And for any that weren’t happy with just worship of the Lord, there was wealth.
it evolved, and a person didn’t have to worship God at all, just capitalism, market forces, the acquisition of wealth, and it turns out money has superior conversion qualities exceeding even God.
God became a capitalist, divested his absolute powers, and capitalism became God.
by using the expression white trash, car, you’re playing their secret game, indulging their secret ways.
you’re projecting the flipside of the love that is the good work of aspirationals.
Well said sirrah.
roughbarked said:
transition said:
imagine there’s a powerful notion, an ideological lens, adopted by an imperfect consciousness to tidy up an impossible world.market forces and capitalism are democracy
the aspirationals adopt this, like religion, and the two are commonly inseparable.
religion-proper has long delivered through thrift and industry, the will. And for any that weren’t happy with just worship of the Lord, there was wealth.
it evolved, and a person didn’t have to worship God at all, just capitalism, market forces, the acquisition of wealth, and it turns out money has superior conversion qualities exceeding even God.
God became a capitalist, divested his absolute powers, and capitalism became God.
by using the expression white trash, car, you’re playing their secret game, indulging their secret ways.
you’re projecting the flipside of the love that is the good work of aspirationals.
Well said sirrah.
There’s something wrong with Transtion.
It could be his coffee.
Alan Jones eh. “The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is .04% The amount that people over all the world produce is 3% The amount Australians produce is 1.4%”
he went on to mention economic suicide.
roughbarked said:
Alan Jones eh. “The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is .04% The amount that people over all the world produce is 3% The amount Australians produce is 1.4%”
he went on to mention economic suicide.
certainly has an idea quoting percentages indicates understanding
he’s a kid that could keep his own kite up on a still day just from the power of his warm breath. He could talk the thing up.
transition said:
imagine there’s a powerful notion, an ideological lens, adopted by an imperfect consciousness to tidy up an impossible world.market forces and capitalism are democracy
the aspirationals adopt this, like religion, and the two are commonly inseparable.
religion-proper has long delivered through thrift and industry, the will. And for any that weren’t happy with just worship of the Lord, there was wealth.
it evolved, and a person didn’t have to worship God at all, just capitalism, market forces, the acquisition of wealth, and it turns out money has superior conversion qualities exceeding even God.
God became a capitalist, divested his absolute powers, and capitalism became God.
by using the expression white trash, car, you’re playing their secret game, indulging their secret ways.
you’re projecting the flipside of the love that is the good work of aspirationals.
I’d say that was transistionist nonsense.
Except for the last bit, which I agree with.
People who are anti-racism should not indulge in racist language.
The Rev Dodgson said:
People who are anti-racism should not indulge in racist language.
For a start we all have multicultural background.
>People who are anti-racism should not indulge in racist language.
do you think there’s any prejudice and discrimination toward people considered to have a lack of aspirations, from those that have plenty of aspiration, or believe they are adequate that way.
deserves a name really doesn’t it?
aspirational deficiency, maybe
transition said:
>People who are anti-racism should not indulge in racist language.do you think there’s any prejudice and discrimination toward people considered to have a lack of aspirations, from those that have plenty of aspiration, or believe they are adequate that way.
deserves a name really doesn’t it?
aspirational deficiency, maybe
I don’t know that lack of aspiration has anything to do with it. Clearly there is a good deal of prejudice and discrimination about people who are seen as belonging to a different group, regardless of ethnic origins.
The Rev Dodgson said:
transition said:
>People who are anti-racism should not indulge in racist language.do you think there’s any prejudice and discrimination toward people considered to have a lack of aspirations, from those that have plenty of aspiration, or believe they are adequate that way.
deserves a name really doesn’t it?
aspirational deficiency, maybe
I don’t know that lack of aspiration has anything to do with it. Clearly there is a good deal of prejudice and discrimination about people who are seen as belonging to a different group, regardless of ethnic origins.
typical middle-australia aren’t aspirational?
i’m thinking they’re class, a type, and that they exercise power, perhaps loosely, as a group.