Date: 22/05/2019 12:51:51
From: Cymek
ID: 1390327
Subject: Chernobyl Steam Explosion

In the second episode of the mini tv series Chernobyl it was said that a steam explosion because of the below would generate a 3 to 4 megaton explosion plus spread fallout all over Europe. The fallout part is plausible but would the energy generated be that great.

The 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster in the Soviet Union was feared to cause major steam explosion (and resulting Europe-wide nuclear fallout) upon melting the lava-like nuclear fuel through the reactor’s basement towards contact with residue fire-fighting water and groundwater. The threat was averted by frantic tunneling underneath the reactor in order to pump out water and reinforce underlying soil with concrete.

Two floors of bubbler pools beneath the reactor served as a large water reservoir for the emergency cooling pumps and as a pressure suppression system capable of condensing steam in case of a small broken steam pipe; the third floor above them, below the reactor, served as a steam tunnel. The steam released by a broken pipe was supposed to enter the steam tunnel and be led into the pools to bubble through a layer of water. After the disaster, the pools and the basement were flooded because of ruptured cooling water pipes and accumulated firefighting water, and constituted a serious steam explosion risk.

The smoldering graphite, fuel and other material above, at more than 1200 °C, started to burn through the reactor floor and mixed with molten concrete from the reactor lining, creating corium, a radioactive semi-liquid material comparable to lava. If this mixture had melted through the floor into the pool of water, it was feared it could have created a serious steam explosion that would have ejected more radioactive material from the reactor. It became necessary to drain the pool.

Once the bubbler pool gates were opened by the Ananenko team, fire brigade pumps were then used to drain the basement. The operation was not completed until 8 May, after 20,000 metric tons of highly radioactive water were pumped out.

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Date: 23/05/2019 00:01:08
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1390511
Subject: re: Chernobyl Steam Explosion

Cymek said:


In the second episode of the mini tv series Chernobyl it was said that a steam explosion because of the below would generate a 3 to 4 megaton explosion plus spread fallout all over Europe. The fallout part is plausible but would the energy generated be that great.

The 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster in the Soviet Union was feared to cause major steam explosion (and resulting Europe-wide nuclear fallout) upon melting the lava-like nuclear fuel through the reactor’s basement towards contact with residue fire-fighting water and groundwater. The threat was averted by frantic tunneling underneath the reactor in order to pump out water and reinforce underlying soil with concrete.

Two floors of bubbler pools beneath the reactor served as a large water reservoir for the emergency cooling pumps and as a pressure suppression system capable of condensing steam in case of a small broken steam pipe; the third floor above them, below the reactor, served as a steam tunnel. The steam released by a broken pipe was supposed to enter the steam tunnel and be led into the pools to bubble through a layer of water. After the disaster, the pools and the basement were flooded because of ruptured cooling water pipes and accumulated firefighting water, and constituted a serious steam explosion risk.

The smoldering graphite, fuel and other material above, at more than 1200 °C, started to burn through the reactor floor and mixed with molten concrete from the reactor lining, creating corium, a radioactive semi-liquid material comparable to lava. If this mixture had melted through the floor into the pool of water, it was feared it could have created a serious steam explosion that would have ejected more radioactive material from the reactor. It became necessary to drain the pool.

Once the bubbler pool gates were opened by the Ananenko team, fire brigade pumps were then used to drain the basement. The operation was not completed until 8 May, after 20,000 metric tons of highly radioactive water were pumped out.

> 3 to 4 megaton explosion

Out by a factor of about a million would be my guess. 3 to 4 tons of TNT from a steam explosion would perhaps be plausible, just, but not more than that.

If they meant 3 to 4 megajoule explosion, then that’s equivalent to only about 1 kilogram of TNT.

> 20,000 metric tons of highly radioactive water were pumped out.

I didn’t know that. How did they safely transport and dispose of that much radioactive water?

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Date: 23/05/2019 22:32:39
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1390770
Subject: re: Chernobyl Steam Explosion

>> 20,000 metric tons of highly radioactive water were pumped out.

> I didn’t know that. How did they safely transport and dispose of that much radioactive water?

Bump.

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Date: 24/05/2019 08:59:49
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1390797
Subject: re: Chernobyl Steam Explosion

mollwollfumble said:


>> 20,000 metric tons of highly radioactive water were pumped out.

> I didn’t know that. How did they safely transport and dispose of that much radioactive water?

Bump.

I have no idea, but why do you assume that the water was safely transported and disposed of?

My guess would be that it was either pumped directly into the nearest river, or perhaps into a holding pond. 20 000 m3 is that huge a volume.

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Date: 24/05/2019 09:10:18
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 1390802
Subject: re: Chernobyl Steam Explosion

Water flashing to steam is a very dangerous thing, I think it immediately demands something like 1600 times it’s volume from memory.
Plays havoc in a refinery.

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Date: 24/05/2019 23:01:35
From: wookiemeister
ID: 1391184
Subject: re: Chernobyl Steam Explosion

there were voices on this forum (or the sssf) telling everyone that nuclear was safe even as fukishima was blowing up

current nuclear will never be safe because humans by nature are fairly stupid – you just can’t anyone responsible to operate or maintain these places safely (yes – they will cover up the balls ups and the public will never know)

the only safe nuclear option is one thats inherently safe no matter what human in the loop does (whatever option that might be – thorium ?)

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Date: 25/05/2019 08:55:51
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1391220
Subject: re: Chernobyl Steam Explosion

wookiemeister said:


there were voices on this forum (or the sssf) telling everyone that nuclear was safe even as fukishima was blowing up

current nuclear will never be safe because humans by nature are fairly stupid – you just can’t anyone responsible to operate or maintain these places safely (yes – they will cover up the balls ups and the public will never know)

the only safe nuclear option is one thats inherently safe no matter what human in the loop does (whatever option that might be – thorium ?)

I agree.

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Date: 25/05/2019 08:58:14
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 1391222
Subject: re: Chernobyl Steam Explosion

The Rev Dodgson said:


wookiemeister said:

there were voices on this forum (or the sssf) telling everyone that nuclear was safe even as fukishima was blowing up

current nuclear will never be safe because humans by nature are fairly stupid – you just can’t anyone responsible to operate or maintain these places safely (yes – they will cover up the balls ups and the public will never know)

the only safe nuclear option is one thats inherently safe no matter what human in the loop does (whatever option that might be – thorium ?)

I agree.

I would rather agree with the statement that nuclear is one of the power supplies that is the safest.

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Date: 25/05/2019 09:19:19
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 1391229
Subject: re: Chernobyl Steam Explosion

ChrispenEvan said:


The Rev Dodgson said:

wookiemeister said:

there were voices on this forum (or the sssf) telling everyone that nuclear was safe even as fukishima was blowing up

current nuclear will never be safe because humans by nature are fairly stupid – you just can’t anyone responsible to operate or maintain these places safely (yes – they will cover up the balls ups and the public will never know)

the only safe nuclear option is one thats inherently safe no matter what human in the loop does (whatever option that might be – thorium ?)

I agree.

I would rather agree with the statement that nuclear is one of the power supplies that is the safest.

Most of the time, yes.

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