Constitutional Reform
Should any constitutional reform include all the rights as in the United Nations charter on Human Rights?
Should a constitution reform allow for politicians / public servants to be sacked if they abuse human rights ?
Any other points of reform?
Abolish the state governments
dv said:
Abolish the state governments
Abolish the federal government, and have each state join the European Union.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Abolish the state governments
Abolish the federal government, and have each state join the European Union.
Well we’re in Eurovision, should be a good case.
dv said:
Abolish the state governments
Can’t we just offload QLD to the Indonesians or something?
Sack politicians in like in Alabama when they bring forward any law to abuse the rights of women etc
I think constitutional reform needs to happen in a lot of countries.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Abolish the state governments
Can’t we just offload QLD to the Indonesians or something?
I’d imagine many of them would be happy to become the 51st state of Trumpistan.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Abolish the state governments
Abolish the federal government, and have each state join the European Union.
Well we’re in Eurovision, should be a good case.
My thoughts exactly :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Abolish the federal government, and have each state join the European Union.
Well we’re in Eurovision, should be a good case.
My thoughts exactly :)
What if the whole world joined the European Union?
Tau.Neutrino said:
Constitutional ReformShould any constitutional reform include all the rights as in the United Nations charter on Human Rights?
Should a constitution reform allow for politicians / public servants to be sacked if they abuse human rights ?
Any other points of reform?
How about the same constitution for every country in the world?
Some countries have really excellent constitutions, and in others the constitutions are rubbish. Every country has something it can learn from the constitutions of other countries. Perhaps a common high standard throughout the world. Or at least the western world.
I’ve been told that Russia has a better constitution than Australia.
The Japanese constitution might be worth looking into.
PS. The Australian constitution will be invalid as soon as Queen Elizabeth dies, because it contains references to “the queen” so, if there’s a king instead …
PPS. I’ve never been convinced that there are or have ever been such things as “human rights”. It seems to me that a “right” is just a privilege that has become overly familiar.
PPPS. Why do we need a constitution anyway? Why not just have laws?
PPPPS. (Warning, devil’s advocate mode) Would an Australian Aboriginal constitution include the clause “You have the right to kill a condemned criminal and eat his liver and kidney fat?”
We should form a free trade area which includes all of Indonesia, the Philippines, New Guinea and the western half of the Southern Pacific Ocean (except for the French bits). Australia and its states and territories will be trifling by comparison.
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Abolish the state governments
Can’t we just offload QLD to the Indonesians or something?
I’d imagine many of them would be happy to become the 51st state of Trumpistan.
Definitely not me, that’s for sure.
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:
Witty Rejoinder said:Can’t we just offload QLD to the Indonesians or something?
I’d imagine many of them would be happy to become the 51st state of Trumpistan.
Definitely not me, that’s for sure.
Could be worse, could be the next province of the CCP.
Witty Rejoinder said:
dv said:
Abolish the state governments
Can’t we just offload QLD to the Indonesians or something?
I’m beginning to agree about state governments. Things like water, education, main roads, railways, road rules etc. would be better if handled exactly the same way throughout Australia. And that just leaves state things like fishing catch limits, that could be easily legislated for region by region.
Qld. God no. How then would we annex PNG and New Zealand? If we want to offload anything, it should be Canberra.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
Bubblecar said:I’d imagine many of them would be happy to become the 51st state of Trumpistan.
Definitely not me, that’s for sure.
Could be worse, could be the next province of the CCP.
I hope not.
Michael V said:
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:Definitely not me, that’s for sure.
Could be worse, could be the next province of the CCP.
I hope not.
Don’t fancy some re-education?
mollwollfumble said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Constitutional ReformShould any constitutional reform include all the rights as in the United Nations charter on Human Rights?
Should a constitution reform allow for politicians / public servants to be sacked if they abuse human rights ?
Any other points of reform?
How about the same constitution for every country in the world?
Some countries have really excellent constitutions, and in others the constitutions are rubbish. Every country has something it can learn from the constitutions of other countries. Perhaps a common high standard throughout the world. Or at least the western world.
I’ve been told that Russia has a better constitution than Australia.
The Japanese constitution might be worth looking into.
PS. The Australian constitution will be invalid as soon as Queen Elizabeth dies, because it contains references to “the queen” so, if there’s a king instead …
PPS. I’ve never been convinced that there are or have ever been such things as “human rights”. It seems to me that a “right” is just a privilege that has become overly familiar.
PPPS. Why do we need a constitution anyway? Why not just have laws?
PPPPS. (Warning, devil’s advocate mode) Would an Australian Aboriginal constitution include the clause “You have the right to kill a condemned criminal and eat his liver and kidney fat?”
Interesting points.
Having just laws would modernize things a bit, the constitution does get a bit vague on some matters and leaves other matters out altogether. ie human rights etc
mollwollfumble said:
PS. The Australian constitution will be invalid as soon as Queen Elizabeth dies, because it contains references to “the queen” so, if there’s a king instead …
The Australian Constitution was written at a time when there was a King. In fact there was a king for the first 51 years of its operation.
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:PS. The Australian constitution will be invalid as soon as Queen Elizabeth dies, because it contains references to “the queen” so, if there’s a king instead …
The Australian Constitution was written at a time when there was a King. In fact there was a king for the first 51 years of its operation.
Will there be a referendum after the queen dies to recognize the new king or is that done by parliament
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:PS. The Australian constitution will be invalid as soon as Queen Elizabeth dies, because it contains references to “the queen” so, if there’s a king instead …
The Australian Constitution was written at a time when there was a King. In fact there was a king for the first 51 years of its operation.
Will there be a referendum after the queen dies to recognize the new king or is that done by parliament
Would be a good time to do away with the monarchy
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:PS. The Australian constitution will be invalid as soon as Queen Elizabeth dies, because it contains references to “the queen” so, if there’s a king instead …
The Australian Constitution was written at a time when there was a King. In fact there was a king for the first 51 years of its operation.
Will there be a referendum after the queen dies to recognize the new king or is that done by parliament
Not sure. I think it just happens automatically that when a monarch dies the successor takes over. I don’t think it needs any special act of parliament or a vote to confirm it.
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
poikilotherm said:Could be worse, could be the next province of the CCP.
I hope not.
Don’t fancy some re-education?
Chinese experiment taking “1984” literally.
Tau.Neutrino said:
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:I hope not.
Don’t fancy some re-education?
Chinese experiment taking “1984” literally.
I cant see China doing any reform in the near see able future.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
poikilotherm said:Don’t fancy some re-education?
Chinese experiment taking “1984” literally.
I cant see China doing any reform in the near see able future.
Maybe even get advice from North Korea about these camps
Where’s the bit in the constitution about “double dissolution”?
Ditch that.
OK, let’s look into the Australian Constitution, to see if there’s anything in there worth salvaging at all.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Constitution
> It shall be lawful for the Queen, with the advice of the Privy Council, to declare by proclamation that, on and after a day therein appointed, not being later than one year after the passing of this Act, the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, and also, if Her Majesty is satisfied that the people of Western Australia have agreed thereto, of Western Australia, shall be united in a Federal Commonwealth under the name of the Commonwealth of Australia. But the Queen may, at any time after the proclamation, appoint a Governor-General for the Commonwealth.
Ditch that.
> The legislative power of the Commonwealth shall be vested in a Federal Parliament, which shall consist of the Queen, a Senate, and a House of Representatives.
Hmm.
> Where a vacancy has at any time occurred in the place of a senator chosen by the people of a State and, at the time when he was so chosen, he was publicly recognized by a particular political party as being an endorsed candidate of that party and publicly represented himself to be such a candidate, a person chosen or appointed under this section in consequence of that vacancy, or in consequence of that vacancy and a subsequent vacancy or vacancies, shall, unless there is no member of that party available to be chosen or appointed, be a member of that party.
Definitely get rid of that one. The replacement must be the person last eliminated in the previous election.
> For the purposes of the last section, if by the law of any State all persons of any race are disqualified from voting at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of the State, then, in reckoning the number of the people of the State or of the Commonwealth, persons of that race resident in that State shall not be counted.
Talk about denial of basic human rights! Ditch that one.
> the qualifications of a member of the House of Representatives shall be as follows: he must be of the full age of twenty-one years … he must be a subject of the Queen, either natural-born or for at least five years naturalized under a law of the United Kingdom or …
No woman may become a member of the house of Reps. Any male UK citizen may become a member of the House of Reps. Ditch that one.
> Any person who: holds any pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the Commonwealth … Public Service … shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives. (Serving army personnel are allowed).
ie. no government employee, pensioner, war veteran, unemployed person, outside contractor for government work, etc. may become a parliamentarian. Ditch that one.
> The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power … postal, telegraphic, telephonic, and other like services;
It does?
poikilotherm said:
Michael V said:
poikilotherm said:Could be worse, could be the next province of the CCP.
I hope not.
Don’t fancy some re-education?
Nope.
party_pants said:
mollwollfumble said:PS. The Australian constitution will be invalid as soon as Queen Elizabeth dies, because it contains references to “the queen” so, if there’s a king instead …
The Australian Constitution was written at a time when there was a King. In fact there was a king for the first 51 years of its operation.
I was joking. Queen Victoria, it includes her successors. Just the wording continually ‘queen’ rather than ‘monarch’ is annoying.
I don’t think it is useful to go through the first bit of the constitution line by line, especially the bits that were only about the setting up.
I do think that upon the end of QEII’s reign we should become either a republic or adopt a local monarchy, with the person in the office having the exact same citizenship requirements as what applies to MHRs and Senators.
party_pants said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
party_pants said:The Australian Constitution was written at a time when there was a King. In fact there was a king for the first 51 years of its operation.
Will there be a referendum after the queen dies to recognize the new king or is that done by parliament
Not sure. I think it just happens automatically that when a monarch dies the successor takes over. I don’t think it needs any special act of parliament or a vote to confirm it.
“The Constitution itself is contained in clause 9 of the British Act. The first eight clauses of the British Act are commonly
referred to as the ‘covering clauses’. They contain mainly introductory, explanatory and consequential provisions. For
example, covering clause 2 provides that references to ‘the Queen’ (meaning Queen Victoria, who was British sovereign
at the time the British Act was enacted) shall include references to Queen Victoria’s heirs and successors.”
Constitution with preceding notes, downloaded from:
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Constitution
The first paragraph of the Russian constitution is:
> We, the multinational people of the Russian Federation,
united by a common fate on our land,
establishing human rights and freedoms, civil peace and accord,
preserving the historically established State unity,
proceeding from universally acknowledged principles of equality and self-determination of peoples,
revering the memory of ancestors who have passed on to us their love for the Fatherland and faith in good and justice,
reviving the sovereign statehood of Russia and asserting the firmness of its democratic basis,
striving to ensure the well-being and prosperity of Russia,
proceeding from the responsibility for our Fatherland before present and future generations,
recognizing ourselves to be a part of the world community,
do hereby adopt THE CONSTITUTION
mollwollfumble said:
The first paragraph of the Russian constitution is:> We, the multinational people of the Russian Federation,
united by a common fate on our land,
establishing human rights and freedoms, civil peace and accord,
preserving the historically established State unity,
proceeding from universally acknowledged principles of equality and self-determination of peoples,
revering the memory of ancestors who have passed on to us their love for the Fatherland and faith in good and justice,
reviving the sovereign statehood of Russia and asserting the firmness of its democratic basis,
striving to ensure the well-being and prosperity of Russia,
proceeding from the responsibility for our Fatherland before present and future generations,
recognizing ourselves to be a part of the world community,
do hereby adopt THE CONSTITUTION
they ended up with Vlad Putin.
words don’t count for much.
More from the Russian constitution. Better than Australia’s
http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/official_documents/-/asset_publisher/CptICkB6BZ29/content/id/571508
1. Citizenship of the Russian Federation shall be acquired and terminated in accordance with federal law, and shall be one and equal, irrespective of the grounds on which it is acquired.
2. Every citizen of the Russian Federation shall enjoy all rights and freedoms on its territory and shall bear equal responsibilities as envisaged in the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
3. A citizen of the Russian Federation may not be deprived of his (her) citizenship or of the right to change it.
Article 7
1. The Russian Federation shall be a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions ensuring a worthy life and a free development of Man.
2. In the Russian Federation the labour and health of people shall be protected, a guaranteed minimum wage shall be established, State support shall be provided for the family, maternity, fatherhood and childhood, to the disabled and to elderly citizens, the system of social services shall be developed and State pensions, allowances and other social security guarantees shall be established.
Article 8
1. In the Russian Federation the integrity of economic space, free flow of goods, services and financial resources, support of competition, and the freedom of economic activity shall be guaranteed.
2. In the Russian Federation private, State, municipal and other forms of property shall be recognized and shall be protected on an equal basis.
Article 9
1. Land and other natural resources shall be utilized and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activity of the peoples living on the territories concerned.
Not sure Russia is a good example of a nation that cares for it’s citizens
Cymek said:
Not sure Russia is a good example of a nation that cares for it’s citizens
It must be. Its constitution says it is.
Cymek said:
Not sure Russia is a good example of a nation that cares for it’s citizens
yeah, don’t see many people who tout how good it is moving there.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
poikilotherm said:Don’t fancy some re-education?
Chinese experiment taking “1984” literally.
I cant see China doing any reform in the near see able future.
Is it.. getting newspeak ready.
mollwollfumble said:
Cymek said:
Not sure Russia is a good example of a nation that cares for it’s citizens
It must be. Its constitution says it is.
I just finished watching the new series on the Chernobyl disaster… a very interesting view into soviet values.
diddly-squat said:
mollwollfumble said:
Cymek said:
Not sure Russia is a good example of a nation that cares for it’s citizens
It must be. Its constitution says it is.
I just finished watching the new series on the Chernobyl disaster… a very interesting view into soviet values.
I’ve watched some of it, plan on finishing it off on Friday.
The Rev Dodgson said:
dv said:
Abolish the state governments
Abolish the federal government, and have each state join the European Union.
Well they do have a vacancy…
Japanese constitution post WWII.
https://japan.kantei.go.jp/constitution_and_government_of_japan/constitution_e.html
“We, the Japanese people, acting through our duly elected representatives in the National Diet, determined that we shall secure for ourselves and our posterity the fruits of peaceful cooperation with all nations and the blessings of liberty throughout this land, and resolved that never again shall we be visited with the horrors of war through the action of government, do proclaim that sovereign power resides with the people and do firmly establish this Constitution. Government is a sacred trust of the people, the authority for which is derived from the people, the powers of which are exercised by the representatives of the people, and the benefits of which are enjoyed by the people. This is a universal principle of mankind upon which this Constitution is founded. We reject and revoke all constitutions, laws, ordinances, and rescripts in conflict herewith.
“We, the Japanese people, desire peace for all time and are deeply conscious of the high ideals controlling human relationship, and we have determined to preserve our security and existence, trusting in the justice and faith of the peace-loving peoples of the world. We desire to occupy an honored place in an international society striving for the preservation of peace, and the banishment of tyranny and slavery, oppression and intolerance for all time from the earth. We recognize that all peoples of the world have the right to live in peace, free from fear and want.
“We believe that no nation is responsible to itself alone, but that laws of political morality are universal; and that obedience to such laws is incumbent upon all nations who would sustain their own sovereignty and justify their sovereign relationship with other nations.
“We, the Japanese people, pledge our national honor to accomplish these high ideals and purposes with all our resources.”
More from Japan.
Article 11. The people shall not be prevented from enjoying any of the fundamental human rights. These fundamental human rights guaranteed to the people by this Constitution shall be conferred upon the people of this and future generations as eternal and inviolate rights.
Article 12. The freedoms and rights guaranteed to the people by this Constitution shall be maintained by the constant endeavor of the people, who shall refrain from any abuse of these freedoms and rights and shall always be responsible for utilizing them for the public welfare.
Article 13. All of the people shall be respected as individuals. Their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness shall, to the extent that it does not interfere with the public welfare, be the supreme consideration in legislation and in other governmental affairs.
Article 14. All of the people are equal under the law and there shall be no discrimination in political, economic or social relations because of race, creed, sex, social status or family origin.
Peers and peerage shall not be recognized.
No privilege shall accompany any award of honor, decoration or any distinction, nor shall any such award be valid beyond the lifetime of the individual who now holds or hereafter may receive it.
Article 15. The people have the inalienable right to choose their public officials and to dismiss them.
All public officials are servants of the whole community and not of any group thereof.
Universal adult suffrage is guaranteed with regard to the election of public officials.
In all elections, secrecy of the ballot shall not be violated. A voter shall not be answerable, publicly or privately, for the choice he has made.
Article 16. Every person shall have the right of peaceful petition for the redress of damage, for the removal of public officials, for the enactment, repeal or amendment of laws, ordinances or regulations and for other matters; nor shall any person be in any way discriminated against for sponsoring such a petition.
Article 17. Every person may sue for redress as provided by law from the State or a public entity, in case he has suffered damage through illegal act of any public official.
Article 18. No person shall be held in bondage of any kind. Involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime, is prohibited.
Article 19. Freedom of thought and conscience shall not be violated.
Article 20. Freedom of religion is guaranteed to all.
diddly-squat said:
mollwollfumble said:
Cymek said:
Not sure Russia is a good example of a nation that cares for it’s citizens
It must be. Its constitution says it is.
I just finished watching the new series on the Chernobyl disaster… a very interesting view into soviet values.
The Chernobyl Exclusion Zone would be an interesting place to visit
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:
mollwollfumble said:It must be. Its constitution says it is.
I just finished watching the new series on the Chernobyl disaster… a very interesting view into soviet values.
The Chernobyl Exclusion Zone would be an interesting place to visit
yeah… no thanks.. not sure I really like the idea of being bathed in high levels of radiation
diddly-squat said:
Cymek said:
diddly-squat said:I just finished watching the new series on the Chernobyl disaster… a very interesting view into soviet values.
The Chernobyl Exclusion Zone would be an interesting place to visit
yeah… no thanks.. not sure I really like the idea of being bathed in high levels of radiation
They had a good documentary were they visited some of it and found a pile of clothing worn by the containment workers was still highly radioactive.
General radiation levels in Chernobyl city are not all that high now: about five times “normal”. Just hanging around there for a few hours should be fine.
The thing is, you want to make sure you don’t get any on ya. Soil, plants, water: don’t ingest and scrub up well when you leave. Radionuclides in your bones and organs are a treasure that will stay with you.
dv said:
General radiation levels in Chernobyl city are not all that high now: about five times “normal”. Just hanging around there for a few hours should be fine.The thing is, you want to make sure you don’t get any on ya. Soil, plants, water: don’t ingest and scrub up well when you leave. Radionuclides in your bones and organs are a treasure that will stay with you.
You could suit up to minimise it
Cymek said:
dv said:
General radiation levels in Chernobyl city are not all that high now: about five times “normal”. Just hanging around there for a few hours should be fine.The thing is, you want to make sure you don’t get any on ya. Soil, plants, water: don’t ingest and scrub up well when you leave. Radionuclides in your bones and organs are a treasure that will stay with you.
You could suit up to minimise it
Constitution of China.
http://www.npc.gov.cn/englishnpc/Constitution/node_2825.htm
Socialist relations of equality, unity and mutual assistance have been established among the nationalities and will continue to be strengthened. In the struggle to safeguard the unity of the nationalities, it is necessary to combat big-nation chauvinism, mainly Han chauvinism, and to combat local national chauvinism.
All citizens of the People’s Republic of China are equal before the law.
The State respects and preserves human rights.
Every citizen is entitled to the rights and at the same time must perform the duties prescribed by the Constitution and other laws.
Article 34 All citizens of the People’s Republic of China who have reached the age of 18 have the right to vote and stand for election, regardless of ethnic status, race, sex, occupation, family background, religious belief, education, property status or length of residence, except persons deprived of political rights according to law.
Article 35 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.
Article 36 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief.All citizens of the People’s Republic of China are equal before the law.
The State respects and preserves human rights.
Every citizen is entitled to the rights and at the same time must perform the duties prescribed by the Constitution and other laws.
Article 34 All citizens of the People’s Republic of China who have reached the age of 18 have the right to vote and stand for election, regardless of ethnic status, race, sex, occupation, family background, religious belief, education, property status or length of residence, except persons deprived of political rights according to law.
Article 35 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.
Article 36 Citizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief.
Article 55 It is the sacred duty of every citizen of the People’s Republic of China to defend the motherland and resist aggression. It is the honourable duty of citizens of the People’s Republic of China to perform military service and join the militia in accordance with law.
Article 58 The National People’s Congress and its Standing Committee exercise the legislative power of the State.
Article 59 The National People’s Congress is composed of deputies elected from the provinces, autonomous regions, municipalities directly under the Central Government, and special administrative regions, and of deputies elected from the armed forces. All the minority nationalities are entitled to appropriate representation.
Article 85 The State Council, that is, the Central People’s Government, of the People’s Republic of China is the executive body of the highest organ of state power; it is the highest organ of State administration.
Article 86 The State Council is composed of the following:
the Premier;
the Vice-Premiers;
the State Councillors;
the Ministers in charge of ministries;
the Ministers in charge of commissions;
the Auditor-General; and
the Secretary-General.
(5) to draw up and implement the plan for national economic and social development and the State budget;
(6) to direct and administer economic affairs and urban and rural development;
(7) to direct and administer the affairs of education, science, culture, public health, physical culture and family planning;
(8) to direct and administer civil affairs, public security, judicial administration, supervision and other related matters;
(9) to conduct foreign affairs and conclude treaties and agreements with foreign States;
(10) to direct and administer the building of national defence;
Tamb said:
Cymek said:
dv said:
General radiation levels in Chernobyl city are not all that high now: about five times “normal”. Just hanging around there for a few hours should be fine.The thing is, you want to make sure you don’t get any on ya. Soil, plants, water: don’t ingest and scrub up well when you leave. Radionuclides in your bones and organs are a treasure that will stay with you.
You could suit up to minimise it
Wasn’t there a doco about a woman who used to ride around the zone on a motorbike?
They get a few tourist groups through old Chernobyl town now.
There are still about 100 old people living within the exclusion zone who don’t want to leave. It’s a pretty big area, 3000 sq km or something, so I suppose some areas are safer than others.
Tamb said:
Wasn’t there a doco about a woman who used to ride around the zone on a motorbike?
Probably doesn’t do that any more. Probably doesn’t do much of anything any more.
I’ve been sort of nibbling away at the concept of ideal government.
Suppose we have a governing council with these positions:
The vision
The voice
The executive
The villain
The people
The budget
Is that enough? Six people at the top level of government?
One more perhaps:
The pedant
Fixed terms
at the moment the incumbents can just pick a time when most of their ducks are in a row
dv said:
Fixed termsat the moment the incumbents can just pick a time when most of their ducks are in a row
And 4 year terms, 3 years is too short.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Fixed termsat the moment the incumbents can just pick a time when most of their ducks are in a row
And 4 year terms, 3 years is too short.
Or too long, depending.
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Fixed termsat the moment the incumbents can just pick a time when most of their ducks are in a row
And 4 year terms, 3 years is too short.
Compromise: 5 year terms for Labor governments, 2 years for Coalition.
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
dv said:
Fixed termsat the moment the incumbents can just pick a time when most of their ducks are in a row
And 4 year terms, 3 years is too short.
Compromise: 5 year terms for Labor governments, 2 years for Coalition.
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Yes, I open my bowels every day, so my constitution is holding up very well thank you, and probably not in need of reform..
Also some form of limited direct democracy, such as citizen-initiated referenda