I had an infected toe, it didn’t get better at all until I went to the doctor and got antibiotics.
If we didn’t have antibiotics would most infected wounds not get better at all or would it just take a long time assuming we still did wound care, without it I imagine it would never heal.
Before antibiotics, a lot of people died from infections. I guess it depends on what the bacteria is and the state of your immune system, as to whether you’d recover or not. Was amputation a big thing back before ABs were discovered?
In the old days they used all sorts of things on wounds to prevent infection, honey, eggwhite, sulphur, salt etc.
But if an infection set in your body had a hell of a battle on it’s hands and I guess many didn’t make it.
Peak Warming Man said:
In the old days they used all sorts of things on wounds to prevent infection, honey, eggwhite, sulphur, salt etc.
But if an infection set in your body had a hell of a battle on it’s hands and I guess many didn’t make it.
That’s what I was thinking our bodies probably haven’t naturally evolved to keep up with whatever is causing an infection or even developed an immunity to old diseases. We still have bubonic plague and I wonder if we didn’t treat it with medicine would it be as deadly as it was in the past, I’m thinking yes.
Cymek said:
We still have bubonic plague and I wonder if we didn’t treat it with medicine would it be as deadly as it was in the past, I’m thinking yes.
Yes.
Divine Angel said:
Cymek said:
We still have bubonic plague and I wonder if we didn’t treat it with medicine would it be as deadly as it was in the past, I’m thinking yes.
Yes.
It proves for all our intelligence and technology that we can still be bought down by the tiniest of life forms.
Even more so than in the past as we have forced them to evolve to counter our medicine but we ourselves haven’t developed a more robust immune system
We still can: there are many strain of AB resistant bacteria that can still take us down.
And, there are many diseases which lower our immunity, allowing bacteria to take hold which kill us. for example, With full-blown AIDS, pneumonia is often the thing that kills you rather than AIDS itself. Cancers often do the same, it’s an opportunistic infection which kills us rather than the disease.
Drug companies are apparently not interested in discovering new antibiotics due to the high expense and time required to get registration, after which the bugs are likely to become resistant and consequently the new drug only having a limited life for them to recoup their expenses and to make a profit. There are much more profitable directions for these companies to take.
PermeateFree said:
Drug companies are apparently not interested in discovering new antibiotics due to the high expense and time required to get registration, after which the bugs are likely to become resistant and consequently the new drug only having a limited life for them to recoup their expenses and to make a profit. There are much more profitable directions for these companies to take.
Yes I’ve seen that mentioned and how phages might make a comeback
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Drug companies are apparently not interested in discovering new antibiotics due to the high expense and time required to get registration, after which the bugs are likely to become resistant and consequently the new drug only having a limited life for them to recoup their expenses and to make a profit. There are much more profitable directions for these companies to take.
Yes I’ve seen that mentioned and how phages might make a comeback
There is a lot more money in making people look younger and prettier than that stuff.
PermeateFree said:
Cymek said:
PermeateFree said:
Drug companies are apparently not interested in discovering new antibiotics due to the high expense and time required to get registration, after which the bugs are likely to become resistant and consequently the new drug only having a limited life for them to recoup their expenses and to make a profit. There are much more profitable directions for these companies to take.
Yes I’ve seen that mentioned and how phages might make a comeback
There is a lot more money in making people look younger and prettier than that stuff.
That’s true as well, it’s funny as I personally think it looks horrible, humans wiped out by our own hubris
PermeateFree said:
Drug companies are apparently not interested in discovering new antibiotics due to the high expense and time required to get registration, after which the bugs are likely to become resistant and consequently the new drug only having a limited life for them to recoup their expenses and to make a profit. There are much more profitable directions for these companies to take.
Yes. Got to fix that. Eg. By fast-tracking.
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
Drug companies are apparently not interested in discovering new antibiotics due to the high expense and time required to get registration, after which the bugs are likely to become resistant and consequently the new drug only having a limited life for them to recoup their expenses and to make a profit. There are much more profitable directions for these companies to take.
Yes. Got to fix that. Eg. By fast-tracking.
https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/news-and-analysis/features/why-are-there-so-few-antibiotics-in-the-research-and-development-pipeline/11130209.article?firstPass=false
https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/antibiotics/hunt-new-antibiotics-grows-harder/96/i49
try mercury
SCIENCE said:
try mercury
No good. It’s not toxic.
Which makes me think, which chemical elements are usefully toxic?
Fluorine, Chlorine, Bromine, Iodine, Astatine make good antibiotics.
Elements to cure by burning out the infection. Painful but effective.
Sodium, Potassium, Rubidium, Caesium.
Nitrogen (as a liquid).
mollwollfumble said:
PermeateFree said:
Drug companies are apparently not interested in discovering new antibiotics due to the high expense and time required to get registration, after which the bugs are likely to become resistant and consequently the new drug only having a limited life for them to recoup their expenses and to make a profit. There are much more profitable directions for these companies to take.
Yes. Got to fix that. Eg. By fast-tracking.
The old fashioned way to prevent the bacteria from developing resistance is to burn the evidence.
Tea tree oil and its variants