I am extremely skeptical about whether an airbag could withstand the forces involved, but for what it’s worth:

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Rule 303 said:

I am extremely skeptical about whether an airbag could withstand the forces involved, but for what it’s worth:

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Wah…. drive round with that on the side of the car? Could just retro-fit old matresses.

Side question… does the Volvo airbag on the bonnet for pedestrians cover the windscreen also? Cause heads tend to hit there.

I presume sensors would deploy the airbag just before a collision.

Woodie said:

Rule 303 said:

I am extremely skeptical about whether an airbag could withstand the forces involved, but for what it’s worth:

Article

Wah…. drive round with that on the side of the car? Could just retro-fit old matresses.

The bag is stored deflated in a compartment until sensors detect a collision, when an explosive is triggered and rapidly inflates it. This whole process can be achieved in just a few milliseconds.

Rule 303 said:

I am extremely skeptical about whether an airbag could withstand the forces involved, but for what it’s worth:

Article

> Volvo’s V40 had bonnet-mounted airbags to create a soft place for pedestrians to land

Now that i like.

> ZF’s concept airbags aim to explode just prior to impact

Yep, there’s no point in waiting.

Compressed air doesn’t provide anywhere near enough deceleration in a high speed accident, but for low speed accidents … Better to put it on vehicle corners because they are the parts most often damaged in a low speed collision.

Rule 303 said:

Woodie said:

Rule 303 said:

I am extremely skeptical about whether an airbag could withstand the forces involved, but for what it’s worth:

Article

Wah…. drive round with that on the side of the car? Could just retro-fit old matresses.

The bag is stored deflated in a compartment until sensors detect a collision, when an explosive is triggered and rapidly inflates it. This whole process can be achieved in just a few milliseconds.

Kid in car parked next to you open door took fast and gets slammed and wedged between his door and car as your airbag deploys.

Arts said:

Side question… does the Volvo airbag on the bonnet for pedestrians cover the windscreen also? Cause heads tend to hit there.

One would hope not. I think the collision-avoidance technology would slow the car to the point where the head would be very unlikely to strike that high.

(the faster the vehicle is moving, the higher the head strikes the windscreen)

mollwollfumble said:

Rule 303 said:

I am extremely skeptical about whether an airbag could withstand the forces involved, but for what it’s worth:

Article

> Volvo’s V40 had bonnet-mounted airbags to create a soft place for pedestrians to land

Now that i like.

> ZF’s concept airbags aim to explode just prior to impact

Yep, there’s no point in waiting.

Compressed air doesn’t provide anywhere near enough deceleration in a high speed accident, but for low speed accidents … Better to put it on vehicle corners because they are the parts most often damaged in a low speed collision.

T-bone crashes are particularly dangerous because the distance between the side vehicle and the occupants is very small, which gives only a tiny opportunity to absorb or deflect the impact.

This is even more true in the current fleet in Australia, because SUVs and large four-wheel-drives have a much higher strike pattern. Right at head-height, in many cases, which is mechanically indefensible (window) other than by curtain airbag. Curtain airbags do not protect the head from a Landcruiser moving at 90km/hr.

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

Rule 303 said:

I am extremely skeptical about whether an airbag could withstand the forces involved, but for what it’s worth:

Article

> Volvo’s V40 had bonnet-mounted airbags to create a soft place for pedestrians to land

Now that i like.

> ZF’s concept airbags aim to explode just prior to impact

Yep, there’s no point in waiting.

Compressed air doesn’t provide anywhere near enough deceleration in a high speed accident, but for low speed accidents … Better to put it on vehicle corners because they are the parts most often damaged in a low speed collision.

T-bone crashes are particularly dangerous because the distance between the side vehicle and the occupants is very small, which gives only a tiny opportunity to absorb or deflect the impact.

This is even more true in the current fleet in Australia, because SUVs and large four-wheel-drives have a much higher strike pattern. Right at head-height, in many cases, which is mechanically indefensible (window) other than by curtain airbag. Curtain airbags do not protect the head from a Landcruiser moving at 90km/hr.

We should all just drive landcruisers then.

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Woodie said:

Wah…. drive round with that on the side of the car? Could just retro-fit old matresses.

The bag is stored deflated in a compartment until sensors detect a collision, when an explosive is triggered and rapidly inflates it. This whole process can be achieved in just a few milliseconds.

Kid in car parked next to you open door took fast and gets slammed and wedged between his door and car as your airbag deploys.

Airbags systems use an algorithm to make the deployment decision. For the bag to go bang, the keys need to be in the ignition, car running, vehicle moving, person in the seat, G forces above a set range, and so on.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Side question… does the Volvo airbag on the bonnet for pedestrians cover the windscreen also? Cause heads tend to hit there.

One would hope not. I think the collision-avoidance technology would slow the car to the point where the head would be very unlikely to strike that high.

(the faster the vehicle is moving, the higher the head strikes the windscreen)

And the strike force on the neck? Look I’m not saying it’s a fine idea, just .. I dunno… seems like we could incorporate a more effective auto emergency stopping system to prevent strike in the first place would be a better use of tech.

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Volvo’s V40 had bonnet-mounted airbags to create a soft place for pedestrians to land

Now that i like.

> ZF’s concept airbags aim to explode just prior to impact

Yep, there’s no point in waiting.

Compressed air doesn’t provide anywhere near enough deceleration in a high speed accident, but for low speed accidents … Better to put it on vehicle corners because they are the parts most often damaged in a low speed collision.

T-bone crashes are particularly dangerous because the distance between the side vehicle and the occupants is very small, which gives only a tiny opportunity to absorb or deflect the impact.

This is even more true in the current fleet in Australia, because SUVs and large four-wheel-drives have a much higher strike pattern. Right at head-height, in many cases, which is mechanically indefensible (window) other than by curtain airbag. Curtain airbags do not protect the head from a Landcruiser moving at 90km/hr.

We should all just drive landcruisers then.

That does seem to be the direction we’ve taken.

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

The bag is stored deflated in a compartment until sensors detect a collision, when an explosive is triggered and rapidly inflates it. This whole process can be achieved in just a few milliseconds.

Kid in car parked next to you open door took fast and gets slammed and wedged between his door and car as your airbag deploys.

Airbags systems use an algorithm to make the deployment decision. For the bag to go bang, the keys need to be in the ignition, car running, vehicle moving, person in the seat, G forces above a set range, and so on.

They are also not supposed to deploy unless there is a collision, yet people have died from the faulty ones because they sat in the seat.. I mean mistakes happen right?

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Volvo’s V40 had bonnet-mounted airbags to create a soft place for pedestrians to land

Now that i like.

> ZF’s concept airbags aim to explode just prior to impact

Yep, there’s no point in waiting.

Compressed air doesn’t provide anywhere near enough deceleration in a high speed accident, but for low speed accidents … Better to put it on vehicle corners because they are the parts most often damaged in a low speed collision.

T-bone crashes are particularly dangerous because the distance between the side vehicle and the occupants is very small, which gives only a tiny opportunity to absorb or deflect the impact.

This is even more true in the current fleet in Australia, because SUVs and large four-wheel-drives have a much higher strike pattern. Right at head-height, in many cases, which is mechanically indefensible (window) other than by curtain airbag. Curtain airbags do not protect the head from a Landcruiser moving at 90km/hr.

We should all just drive landcruisers then.

I think it should be a requirement that you are over a certain height before you are allowed to drive big 4WD.

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Kid in car parked next to you open door took fast and gets slammed and wedged between his door and car as your airbag deploys.

Airbags systems use an algorithm to make the deployment decision. For the bag to go bang, the keys need to be in the ignition, car running, vehicle moving, person in the seat, G forces above a set range, and so on.

They are also not supposed to deploy unless there is a collision, yet people have died from the faulty ones because they sat in the seat.. I mean mistakes happen right?

I have not heard of any injuries just from sitting in the seat. Got a linky? But yeah, of course mistakes happen. That’s how cars hit each other…

ChrispenEvan said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

T-bone crashes are particularly dangerous because the distance between the side vehicle and the occupants is very small, which gives only a tiny opportunity to absorb or deflect the impact.

This is even more true in the current fleet in Australia, because SUVs and large four-wheel-drives have a much higher strike pattern. Right at head-height, in many cases, which is mechanically indefensible (window) other than by curtain airbag. Curtain airbags do not protect the head from a Landcruiser moving at 90km/hr.

We should all just drive landcruisers then.

I think it should be a requirement that you are over a certain height before you are allowed to drive big 4WD.

LOL. That would take out most of the bloke who buy them.

nyuk nyuk nyuk….

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Airbags systems use an algorithm to make the deployment decision. For the bag to go bang, the keys need to be in the ignition, car running, vehicle moving, person in the seat, G forces above a set range, and so on.

They are also not supposed to deploy unless there is a collision, yet people have died from the faulty ones because they sat in the seat.. I mean mistakes happen right?

I have not heard of any injuries just from sitting in the seat. Got a linky? But yeah, of course mistakes happen. That’s how cars hit each other…

children have been injured by the airbags as the sudden push back of their chin has resulted in brainstem injury coming from their height relative the airbags deployed in front seats – I am coming into the conversation midpoint though. that is why children should be in rear seats until the age of 13 / 14 years as a recommendation to negate this risk where practicable (I thought)

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Airbags systems use an algorithm to make the deployment decision. For the bag to go bang, the keys need to be in the ignition, car running, vehicle moving, person in the seat, G forces above a set range, and so on.

They are also not supposed to deploy unless there is a collision, yet people have died from the faulty ones because they sat in the seat.. I mean mistakes happen right?

I have not heard of any injuries just from sitting in the seat. Got a linky? But yeah, of course mistakes happen. That’s how cars hit each other…

Don’t you remember the recall thing that happened because air bags were deploying and killing and injuring people? Wasn’t that long ago… I can’t link on the iPad because it’s stupid.

Rule 303 said:

Airbags systems use an algorithm to make the deployment decision. For the bag to go bang, the keys need to be in the ignition, car running, vehicle moving, person in the seat, G forces above a set range, and so on.

Not like ejection seats. Once those seven pins are removed from the seat and stowed in their little rack, that rocket is armed and ready, set to go off with a yank of the handle, even if altitude and velocity are zero and the canopy is closed.

There’s been rare incidents where, somehow, the it-should-never-happen scenario of seven pins out on an unoccupied seat on a parked aircraft have led to a rather spectacular accidental firing of a seat, when something like a jolt in the electrical supply from ground power has occurred.

We should go further to protect kiddies, the elderly and infirm from nasty hard stairs and the landing at the bottom.. footpaths.. all must be bagged..

.. things can maim and kill!

Arts said:

Rule 303 said:

Arts said:

They are also not supposed to deploy unless there is a collision, yet people have died from the faulty ones because they sat in the seat.. I mean mistakes happen right?

I have not heard of any injuries just from sitting in the seat. Got a linky? But yeah, of course mistakes happen. That’s how cars hit each other…

Don’t you remember the recall thing that happened because air bags were deploying and killing and injuring people? Wasn’t that long ago… I can’t link on the iPad because it’s stupid.

that was due to a faulty installation of a part that needed replacement – but there has been an ongoing risk to manage for children and airbags prior to the recall.

Ian said:

We should go further to protect kiddies, the elderly and infirm .. all must be bagged..

Ian said:

We should go further to protect kiddies, the elderly and infirm from nasty hard stairs and the landing at the bottom.. footpaths.. all must be bagged..

.. things can maim and kill!

ChrispenEvan said:

Ian said:

We should go further to protect kiddies, the elderly and infirm .. all must be bagged..

That’s the idea..

Force = Mass * Acceleration

Mass = 1000 kg small car
Force = Pressure * Area
Pressure = several atmospheres airbag on inflation, say 300 kPa.
Area = several square decimetres for off-centre impact, say 0.03 m^2.
Force = 9 kN
Acceleration = 9 m/s^2.

Velocity = sqrt( 2 * acceleration * distance )
Distance = thickness of airbag say 0.2 m

Velocity = 2 m/s or a bit under.

So, not to put too fine a point on it, this airbag will stop a collision if the cars are colliding at a speed of 2 m/s = 7 km/hr.

That’s not a very fast collision.

Ian said:

We should go further to protect kiddies, the elderly and infirm .. all must be bagged..

That’s the idea..

Dogs.

Don’t forget the dogs. Unless they are buckled up tight in their specially designed doggie seatbelt, they need airbag protection.

Cats are OK. Provided the cat carrier is properly held in with a seatbelt, all you have to worry about is the cat being strained through the holes of the cat carrier.

I’m pretty sure airbags are created and tested for the average adult human… so anything outside of that: children and pets, massively obese or hugely underweight, are going to not be afforded as much protection as the average testing standard. The bags are designed to deploy at a certain point calculated for the movement at a speed of a body of certain weight. They don’t stay inflated, but deflate almost immediately after impact of the body so as to not suffocate. Unless the body reaches the point at the calculated deployment time, the airbag could actually be damaging.

All of this information is from my brain of about ten years ago training so there have probably;y been massive improvements, but to mine, if you have doggies and other important stuff int he car, restraints are probably your best bet for max protection.

On the other hand – to address the matter of children.. when I had a van and only one forward facing seat in the back, I was advised to put the older child (2years) in the front seat in the child seat since the seats had not been tested for rear facing collisions… despite the passenger airbag.

I was also surprised to find out at the time that car seats for children were not actually a legal constraint, more of a recommendation… so technically you could hold you baby on your lap… anyone know if this has changed?

Teach people how to drive properly, watch the accident rate drop by a good 80%. Sounds more productive to me.

PS, I take it you all know that there is no correlation between the number of accidents and the number of road deaths.

Spiny Norman said:

Teach people how to drive properly, watch the accident rate drop by a good 80%. Sounds more productive to me.

I’d like to know more about this. Missy went on an advanced driving course and I didn’t, and she’s a better driver than I am.

But what the heck do they teach on such courses, that can’t be learnt from 20 years of on-road driving?

I don’t think they teach:

• The limits of the student’s vehicle both physically (exactly where the corners are relative to the driver) and mechanically (maximum acceleration rate, safe turning circle vs speed, minimum braking distance)
• How the above limits vary with vehicle age, truck, bus, manufacturer etc.
• How to drive in an emergency situation (racetrack, ambulance, police car etc.)
• The correct way to hold the steering wheel (Missy doesn’t know)
• To avoid rolling backwards at traffic lights.
• Keeping in the left lane on highways.
• How to pull over safely when you have an attack of blindness, sudden vomiting or a cramp in the leg.

Clearly, each time you drive a different car (hire car, friends car or test drive) you need a one week driving course before driving it. But that’s not included.

So, how do you teach people to drive properly in such a way that the accident rate could drop by even as much as 10%?

mollwollfumble said:

PS, I take it you all know that there is no correlation between the number of accidents and the number of road deaths.

Spiny Norman said:

Teach people how to drive properly, watch the accident rate drop by a good 80%. Sounds more productive to me.

I’d like to know more about this. Missy went on an advanced driving course and I didn’t, and she’s a better driver than I am.

But what the heck do they teach on such courses, that can’t be learnt from 20 years of on-road driving?

I don’t think they teach:

• The limits of the student’s vehicle both physically (exactly where the corners are relative to the driver) and mechanically (maximum acceleration rate, safe turning circle vs speed, minimum braking distance)
• How the above limits vary with vehicle age, truck, bus, manufacturer etc.
• How to drive in an emergency situation (racetrack, ambulance, police car etc.)
• The correct way to hold the steering wheel (Missy doesn’t know)
• To avoid rolling backwards at traffic lights.
• Keeping in the left lane on highways.
• How to pull over safely when you have an attack of blindness, sudden vomiting or a cramp in the leg.

Clearly, each time you drive a different car (hire car, friends car or test drive) you need a one week driving course before driving it. But that’s not included.

So, how do you teach people to drive properly in such a way that the accident rate could drop by even as much as 10%?

I work with a driving school here on the Gold Coast that has a young driver programme that has proven to reduce accidents by 75%. They teach people how to look, what to look for, and how to avoid potential accidents.
I’ve done the same thing with Spocky and she says she’s managed to avoid several accidents because of what I’ve taught her.

Spiny Norman said:

mollwollfumble said:

PS, I take it you all know that there is no correlation between the number of accidents and the number of road deaths.

Spiny Norman said:

Teach people how to drive properly, watch the accident rate drop by a good 80%. Sounds more productive to me.

I’d like to know more about this. Missy went on an advanced driving course and I didn’t, and she’s a better driver than I am.

But what the heck do they teach on such courses, that can’t be learnt from 20 years of on-road driving?

I don’t think they teach:

• The limits of the student’s vehicle both physically (exactly where the corners are relative to the driver) and mechanically (maximum acceleration rate, safe turning circle vs speed, minimum braking distance)
• How the above limits vary with vehicle age, truck, bus, manufacturer etc.
• How to drive in an emergency situation (racetrack, ambulance, police car etc.)
• The correct way to hold the steering wheel (Missy doesn’t know)
• To avoid rolling backwards at traffic lights.
• Keeping in the left lane on highways.
• How to pull over safely when you have an attack of blindness, sudden vomiting or a cramp in the leg.

Clearly, each time you drive a different car (hire car, friends car or test drive) you need a one week driving course before driving it. But that’s not included.

So, how do you teach people to drive properly in such a way that the accident rate could drop by even as much as 10%?

I work with a driving school here on the Gold Coast that has a young driver programme that has proven to reduce accidents by 75%. They teach people how to look, what to look for, and how to avoid potential accidents.
I’ve done the same thing with Spocky and she says she’s managed to avoid several accidents because of what I’ve taught her.

So you showed her the brake?

Don’t forget the dogs.. cats..

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Spiny Norman said:

I’d like to know more about this. Missy went on an advanced driving course and I didn’t, and she’s a better driver than I am.

But what the heck do they teach on such courses, that can’t be learnt from 20 years of on-road driving?

I don’t think they teach:

• The limits of the student’s vehicle both physically (exactly where the corners are relative to the driver) and mechanically (maximum acceleration rate, safe turning circle vs speed, minimum braking distance)
• How the above limits vary with vehicle age, truck, bus, manufacturer etc.
• How to drive in an emergency situation (racetrack, ambulance, police car etc.)
• The correct way to hold the steering wheel (Missy doesn’t know)
• To avoid rolling backwards at traffic lights.
• Keeping in the left lane on highways.
• How to pull over safely when you have an attack of blindness, sudden vomiting or a cramp in the leg.

Clearly, each time you drive a different car (hire car, friends car or test drive) you need a one week driving course before driving it. But that’s not included.

So, how do you teach people to drive properly in such a way that the accident rate could drop by even as much as 10%?

I work with a driving school here on the Gold Coast that has a young driver programme that has proven to reduce accidents by 75%. They teach people how to look, what to look for, and how to avoid potential accidents.
I’ve done the same thing with Spocky and she says she’s managed to avoid several accidents because of what I’ve taught her.

This is an apples-and-oranges comparison. An advanced vehicle control course will teach brake-and-evade, skid control, cornering strategies, regain control of the out-of-control vehicle, and maybe some tricks like handbrake spins and j-turns. A young driver program will be training a driving system, hazard detection, space cushion, and defensive strategies for crash avoidance.

Looking at the longer-term results post-course, the first has an increased risk of crash involvement, the second a markedly decreased.

Sorry, left a tag off:

Mollwollfumble said:

I’d like to know more about this. Missy went on an advanced driving course and I didn’t, and she’s a better driver than I am.

But what the heck do they teach on such courses, that can’t be learnt from 20 years of on-road driving?

I don’t think they teach:

• The limits of the student’s vehicle both physically (exactly where the corners are relative to the driver) and mechanically (maximum acceleration rate, safe turning circle vs speed, minimum braking distance)
• How the above limits vary with vehicle age, truck, bus, manufacturer etc.
• How to drive in an emergency situation (racetrack, ambulance, police car etc.)
• The correct way to hold the steering wheel (Missy doesn’t know)
• To avoid rolling backwards at traffic lights.
• Keeping in the left lane on highways.
• How to pull over safely when you have an attack of blindness, sudden vomiting or a cramp in the leg.

Clearly, each time you drive a different car (hire car, friends car or test drive) you need a one week driving course before driving it. But that’s not included.

So, how do you teach people to drive properly in such a way that the accident rate could drop by even as much as 10%?

Spiny Norman said:

I work with a driving school here on the Gold Coast that has a young driver programme that has proven to reduce accidents by 75%. They teach people how to look, what to look for, and how to avoid potential accidents.
I’ve done the same thing with Spocky and she says she’s managed to avoid several accidents because of what I’ve taught her.

This is an apples-and-oranges comparison. An advanced vehicle control course will teach brake-and-evade, skid control, cornering strategies, regain control of the out-of-control vehicle, and maybe some tricks like handbrake spins and j-turns. A young driver program will be training a driving system, hazard detection, space cushion, and defensive strategies for crash avoidance.

Looking at the longer-term results post-course, the first has an increased risk of crash involvement, the second a markedly decreased.

Spiny Norman said:

I work with a driving school here on the Gold Coast that has a young driver programme that has proven to reduce accidents by 75%. They teach people how to look, what to look for, and how to avoid potential accidents.
I’ve done the same thing with Spocky and she says she’s managed to avoid several accidents because of what I’ve taught her.

Any course notes you can post?

“failure to see” is the cause of most of my accidents and near misses. So yes, what should I be looking for?

mollwollfumble said:

Spiny Norman said:

I work with a driving school here on the Gold Coast that has a young driver programme that has proven to reduce accidents by 75%. They teach people how to look, what to look for, and how to avoid potential accidents.
I’ve done the same thing with Spocky and she says she’s managed to avoid several accidents because of what I’ve taught her.

Any course notes you can post?

“failure to see” is the cause of most of my accidents and near misses. So yes, what should I be looking for?

Anything in front of you.

“Most of my accidents..”

Jeeze Louise.

I have been in exactly two. one I was a passenger, the other I was stopped at red lights and Dino Pizzino ran into the back of my Datsun 120y coupe with his 4wd…

Arts said:

“Most of my accidents..”

Jeeze Louise.

I have been in exactly two. one I was a passenger, the other I was stopped at red lights and Dino Pizzino ran into the back of my Datsun 120y coupe with his 4wd…

Sorry baby, but I had to crash that Datsun…

:-)

Arts said:

“Most of my accidents..”

Jeeze Louise.

I have been in exactly two. one I was a passenger, the other I was stopped at red lights and Dino Pizzino ran into the back of my Datsun 120y coupe with his 4wd…

I actually believe you. You posted about this a few weeks ago and I’m certain you used the same name for the driver of the other vehicle.

sibeen said:

Arts said:

“Most of my accidents..”

Jeeze Louise.

I have been in exactly two. one I was a passenger, the other I was stopped at red lights and Dino Pizzino ran into the back of my Datsun 120y coupe with his 4wd…

I actually believe you. You posted about this a few weeks ago and I’m certain you used the same name for the driver of the other vehicle.

I will never forget that name.. Dino fucking Pizzino.

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

“Most of my accidents..”

Jeeze Louise.

I have been in exactly two. one I was a passenger, the other I was stopped at red lights and Dino Pizzino ran into the back of my Datsun 120y coupe with his 4wd…

I actually believe you. You posted about this a few weeks ago and I’m certain you used the same name for the driver of the other vehicle.

I will never forget that name.. Dino fucking Pizzino.

I can only hope his name never appears on your ballot paper in some future election :)

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

“Most of my accidents..”

Jeeze Louise.

I have been in exactly two. one I was a passenger, the other I was stopped at red lights and Dino Pizzino ran into the back of my Datsun 120y coupe with his 4wd…

I actually believe you. You posted about this a few weeks ago and I’m certain you used the same name for the driver of the other vehicle.

I will never forget that name.. Dino fucking Pizzino.

i have external airbags fitted.

Arts said:

sibeen said:

Arts said:

“Most of my accidents..”

Jeeze Louise.

I have been in exactly two. one I was a passenger, the other I was stopped at red lights and Dino Pizzino ran into the back of my Datsun 120y coupe with his 4wd…

I actually believe you. You posted about this a few weeks ago and I’m certain you used the same name for the driver of the other vehicle.

I will never forget that name.. Dino fucking Pizzino.

I sustained some mild whiplash in that accident and since then I have experienced migraines that start in my neck… every time I have a migraine and in between vomiting I curse Dino fucking Pizzino.

Arts said:

“Most of my accidents..”

Jeeze Louise.

I have been in exactly two. one I was a passenger, the other I was stopped at red lights and Dino Pizzino ran into the back of my Datsun 120y coupe with his 4wd…

I’ve been in two accidents. Both times, I was stopped at lights and a car ran up the back of me.

I want to know why Spocky was almost involved in several accidents. What was she not doing before Bill taught her?

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

“Most of my accidents..”

Jeeze Louise.

I have been in exactly two. one I was a passenger, the other I was stopped at red lights and Dino Pizzino ran into the back of my Datsun 120y coupe with his 4wd…

I’ve been in two accidents. Both times, I was stopped at lights and a car ran up the back of me.

I want to know why Spocky was almost involved in several accidents. What was she not doing before Bill taught her?

I’m just glad her crash rate has dropped by 75%.

I’ve been in a stopped-at-lights crashed-into-back pile-up, but also a much more serious open road speeding-maniac-crashed-into-back accident which wrote off Mum’s car (we were the victims, not the maniac).

Zero tolerance is going to take most of the maniacs off the road.

roughbarked said:

Zero tolerance is going to take most of the maniacs off the road.

Not unless you also put them in gaol. Merely taking away a license or a vehicle seems to have little to no influence on the worst offenders.