Date: 18/06/2019 00:45:06
From: dv
ID: 1400961
Subject: Fresh crater on Mars

https://www.space.com/mars-fresh-crater-nasa-mro-photo-2019.html

Images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter show a fresh impact crater, some 15 metres across, that appeared some time between September 2016 and February 2019.

The colour images show the exposed basalt substrate, and a debris field some 2 km wide. The impactor is estimated to have been about 5 metres wide. Although it is not uncommon for the MRO to detect fresh craters, this is one of the largest it has found.

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Date: 18/06/2019 01:47:01
From: PermeateFree
ID: 1400964
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

dv said:


https://www.space.com/mars-fresh-crater-nasa-mro-photo-2019.html

Images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter show a fresh impact crater, some 15 metres across, that appeared some time between September 2016 and February 2019.

The colour images show the exposed basalt substrate, and a debris field some 2 km wide. The impactor is estimated to have been about 5 metres wide. Although it is not uncommon for the MRO to detect fresh craters, this is one of the largest it has found.

How do they know its not mallee fowl.

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Date: 18/06/2019 02:06:08
From: SCIENCE
ID: 1400965
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

Imagine if they could use modern technology to find MH370,

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Date: 18/06/2019 02:10:51
From: esselte
ID: 1400966
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

dv said:


https://www.space.com/mars-fresh-crater-nasa-mro-photo-2019.html

Images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter show a fresh impact crater, some 15 metres across, that appeared some time between September 2016 and February 2019.

The colour images show the exposed basalt substrate, and a debris field some 2 km wide. The impactor is estimated to have been about 5 metres wide. Although it is not uncommon for the MRO to detect fresh craters, this is one of the largest it has found.

Smashing!

heh

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Date: 18/06/2019 08:19:43
From: Michael V
ID: 1400998
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

Terrific. Thanks dv.

:)

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Date: 18/06/2019 08:58:25
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1401024
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

Interesting that the crater is only three times the estimated size of the impactor.

How wide a crater would a 5 metre object make on Earth, at usual impact speeds?

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Date: 18/06/2019 10:10:14
From: dv
ID: 1401030
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

Bubblecar said:


Interesting that the crater is only three times the estimated size of the impactor.

How wide a crater would a 5 metre object make on Earth, at usual impact speeds?

True story: a 5 metre meteoroid will not reach the Earth’s surface intact. There will be an airburst and small pieces will fall over a wide area. Even the Chelyabinsk object, some 20 m across, got shredded in the atmosphere.

For an impactor to reach the ground at high speed you’d need it to be at least 75 or so metres across: a rare event. The craters formed by Earth impactors are typically around 10 to 15 times the diameter of the objects that create them.

As to why this Martian one is only 3 times, I can think of 3 possible reasons. A) Even in the thin Martian atmosphere a small object such as this would be significantly slowed. B) This appears to have landed on a place with a shallow and hard bedrock (ancient basalt). C) Mars’s“gravity well” is shallower than Earth’s due to its lower mass (about 1/10 Earth’s) so, like for like, I’d expect the incoming speed of the object to be 3000 to 5000 metres per second slower than a similar object intercepted by the Earth.

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Date: 18/06/2019 10:10:53
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1401031
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

Bubblecar said:


Interesting that the crater is only three times the estimated size of the impactor.

How wide a crater would a 5 metre object make on Earth, at usual impact speeds?

That’s a very good question, and there are two parts to it.

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Date: 18/06/2019 10:45:45
From: Bubblecar
ID: 1401036
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

dv said:


Bubblecar said:

Interesting that the crater is only three times the estimated size of the impactor.

How wide a crater would a 5 metre object make on Earth, at usual impact speeds?

True story: a 5 metre meteoroid will not reach the Earth’s surface intact. There will be an airburst and small pieces will fall over a wide area. Even the Chelyabinsk object, some 20 m across, got shredded in the atmosphere.

For an impactor to reach the ground at high speed you’d need it to be at least 75 or so metres across: a rare event. The craters formed by Earth impactors are typically around 10 to 15 times the diameter of the objects that create them.

As to why this Martian one is only 3 times, I can think of 3 possible reasons. A) Even in the thin Martian atmosphere a small object such as this would be significantly slowed. B) This appears to have landed on a place with a shallow and hard bedrock (ancient basalt). C) Mars’s“gravity well” is shallower than Earth’s due to its lower mass (about 1/10 Earth’s) so, like for like, I’d expect the incoming speed of the object to be 3000 to 5000 metres per second slower than a similar object intercepted by the Earth.

OK ta.

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Date: 18/06/2019 11:56:45
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1401061
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Interesting that the crater is only three times the estimated size of the impactor.

How wide a crater would a 5 metre object make on Earth, at usual impact speeds?

True story: a 5 metre meteoroid will not reach the Earth’s surface intact. There will be an airburst and small pieces will fall over a wide area. Even the Chelyabinsk object, some 20 m across, got shredded in the atmosphere.

For an impactor to reach the ground at high speed you’d need it to be at least 75 or so metres across: a rare event. The craters formed by Earth impactors are typically around 10 to 15 times the diameter of the objects that create them.

As to why this Martian one is only 3 times, I can think of 3 possible reasons. A) Even in the thin Martian atmosphere a small object such as this would be significantly slowed. B) This appears to have landed on a place with a shallow and hard bedrock (ancient basalt). C) Mars’s“gravity well” is shallower than Earth’s due to its lower mass (about 1/10 Earth’s) so, like for like, I’d expect the incoming speed of the object to be 3000 to 5000 metres per second slower than a similar object intercepted by the Earth.

OK ta.

Not quite OK. For Earth.

A comet or rubble pile asteroid 5 metres across would not reach the ground.
An ordinary chondrite or carbonaceous chondrite would shatter in the atmosphere, but shards of it would reach the ground.
A lump of pure iron-nickel on the other hand, I’d have to look that up to find out if it would reach the ground. I’m pretty sure it would hit in one piece.

There’s also the issue of orbit. A comet would hit at about 30 km/s. An asteroid would hit at about half that, 15 km/s. A near-earth asteroid would hit at more like 6 km/s. Given that energy is proportional to the square of the velocity, that difference in speed makes a difference.

A comet would hit Mars at about 24 km/s, and an asteroid at about 5 km/s.

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Date: 18/06/2019 12:17:06
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 1401064
Subject: re: Fresh crater on Mars

Calculate the relationship between impactor size and crater size using the calculator on http://simulator.down2earth.eu/planet.html?lang=en-GB

You can do it for Mars, Earth and Moon. Give it a try.

Unfortunately, that doesn’t allow me to set a projectile diameter smaller than 100 metres.

For Earth, this is better.
https://www.purdue.edu/impactearth/

A 5 m diameter iron asteroid hitting Earth at 15 km/s would break up in the Earth’s atmosphere, but the fragments would hit the ground at 6 km/s creating a crater field.

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