there are things, they don’t go out of fashion, they dubiously may be subject to fashions, or culture broadly, influences so, they may be old but don’t really get old.

so, there are enthusiasms for the contemporary, the new, the now.

I introduce the idea of negative antiquation

are you subject to social and cultural forces that incline you to see things as old, old ways also, of things that maybe don’t really age that way at all.

Give us some examples.

Food, Shelter and Clothing…

transition said:

there are things, they don’t go out of fashion, they dubiously may be subject to fashions, or culture broadly, influences so, they may be old but don’t really get old.

so, there are enthusiasms for the contemporary, the new, the now.

I introduce the idea of negative antiquation

are you subject to social and cultural forces that incline you to see things as old, old ways also, of things that maybe don’t really age that way at all.

> Give us some examples.

The one that immediately springs to mind is Taoism. Written in the 6th century BC it is almost as fresh and relevent today as it was back then.

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/100074-d-o-d-j-ng

For example:

A leader is best when people barely know he exists. Of a good leader, who talks little, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say, “We did this ourselves.”

That’s a quote from 6th century BC but it’s never really aged.

As for negative antiquation, “subject to forces”, yes. But yield to such forces, also yes.

mollwollfumble said:

transition said:

there are things, they don’t go out of fashion, they dubiously may be subject to fashions, or culture broadly, influences so, they may be old but don’t really get old.

so, there are enthusiasms for the contemporary, the new, the now.

I introduce the idea of negative antiquation

are you subject to social and cultural forces that incline you to see things as old, old ways also, of things that maybe don’t really age that way at all.

> Give us some examples.

The one that immediately springs to mind is Taoism. Written in the 6th century BC it is almost as fresh and relevent today as it was back then.

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/100074-d-o-d-j-ng

For example:

A leader is best when people barely know he exists. Of a good leader, who talks little, when his work is done, his aim fulfilled, they will say, “We did this ourselves.”

That’s a quote from 6th century BC but it’s never really aged.

As for negative antiquation, “subject to forces”, yes. But yield to such forces, also yes.

Why are the people starving?
Because the rulers use up the money in taxes.
Therefore the people are starving.

Why are the people rebellious?
Because the rulers interfere too much.
Therefore they are rebellious.

Why do the people think so little of death?
Because the rulers demand too much of life.
Therefore the people take death lightly.

Having little to live on, one knows better than to value life too much.

Bubblecar said:

Give us some examples.

I was wrong. I didn’t think Taoism was what he was talking about.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Give us some examples.

I was wrong. I didn’t think Taoism was what he was talking about.

I don’t either, but it fits the OP. I was brainstorming outside the box. Transition will come in later and set us right.

sarahs mum said:

Bubblecar said:

Give us some examples.

I was wrong. I didn’t think Taoism was what he was talking about.

Makes as much sense as the rest of it.

furious said:

Food, Shelter and Clothing…

they are a good starting point, and clothing’s related shelter

things of your environment too, fire for example, or combustion more broadly it could be said. You got electric heaters now and ACs for heating. Ignore the big fire back at the power station.

the weather never gets old, though maybe it’s seen different these days with forward projections, and regular reports regard.

of transport, being propelled by your legs might be seen as old fashioned. The body-vehicle, superseded by motorized vehicles, not often referred to as vehicle, yet your body is a vehicle, your first vehicle, always your nearest vehicle.

what i’m getting to, later, of the social field, is manners. Courtesies.

understated elegance is never out of fashion, or so they say

transition said:

there are things, they don’t go out of fashion, they dubiously may be subject to fashions, or culture broadly, influences so, they may be old but don’t really get old.

so, there are enthusiasms for the contemporary, the new, the now.

I introduce the idea of negative antiquation

are you subject to social and cultural forces that incline you to see things as old, old ways also, of things that maybe don’t really age that way at all.

Bog fire, pair of legs, etc.

Ah well, in those cases, and perhaps in Taoism, too, the “social and cultural forces of negative antiquation” has a name. It’s “The need for speed”.

Even for the weather, the desire to know it in advance.

negative antiquation, as one might say negative entropy

transition said:

negative antiquation, as one might say negative entropy

Antiquation is a reduction in entropy because decay (eg. of food, clothing, relevance) sets in. Negative antiquation is reduction of entropy locally by drawing entropy from elsewhere.