https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/school-mobile-phone-ban-is-short-sighted-opinion/11251768

The heavy-handedness of legislating a singular device ban is straight out of the alarmist’s book of bandaid solutions.

Prohibition will get us nowhere

Where there is prohibition there will be bootleggers, which gives rise to a whole new set of problems.

Prohibition puts the blame back on children and is a counterproductive denial of the reality of modern life. It is a displacement of our collective responsibility to prepare students for life beyond school.

Students are literally organising en masse to strike for radical climate action while the government fails to understand how burning fossils is causing a catastrophic climate crisis.

Photo: Banning phones is condescending when students have proven they are highly organised, as evidenced by mass demonstrations for climate action.

The blanket phone ban is to blame students by proxy as once again we ask children to pick up the pieces of a mess we adults created.

We have created the conditions in which students feel compelled to be constantly tethered to their devices.

Students would feel less compelled to use their phones if the technology provided to them by government funding was up to scratch.

Photo: In many schools mobile phones fill a gap when technology is not up to scratch.

Interestingly, it is public school students who will suffer the ban while their independent and private school counterparts enjoy a spoil of technological treasures and funding – bureaucracy free.

Photo: Phones don’t bully people, people bully people.

Like any absolutist measure, it is a policy that fails to understand the nuances and complexities of the issues it is supposed to remedy.

What policymakers need to learn is that phones don’t bully people, people bully people.

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LOL indeed

Banning is the easy not solution to problems instead of addressing real issues.
I can hardly blame my children for being pissed off with the world as they will inherit a broken one

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/school-mobile-phone-ban-is-short-sighted-opinion/11251768

The heavy-handedness of legislating a singular device ban is straight out of the alarmist’s book of bandaid solutions.

Prohibition will get us nowhere

Where there is prohibition there will be bootleggers, which gives rise to a whole new set of problems.

Prohibition puts the blame back on children and is a counterproductive denial of the reality of modern life. It is a displacement of our collective responsibility to prepare students for life beyond school.

Students are literally organising en masse to strike for radical climate action while the government fails to understand how burning fossils is causing a catastrophic climate crisis.

Photo: Banning phones is condescending when students have proven they are highly organised, as evidenced by mass demonstrations for climate action.

The blanket phone ban is to blame students by proxy as once again we ask children to pick up the pieces of a mess we adults created.

We have created the conditions in which students feel compelled to be constantly tethered to their devices.

Students would feel less compelled to use their phones if the technology provided to them by government funding was up to scratch.

Photo: In many schools mobile phones fill a gap when technology is not up to scratch.

Interestingly, it is public school students who will suffer the ban while their independent and private school counterparts enjoy a spoil of technological treasures and funding – bureaucracy free.

Photo: Phones don’t bully people, people bully people.

Like any absolutist measure, it is a policy that fails to understand the nuances and complexities of the issues it is supposed to remedy.

What policymakers need to learn is that phones don’t bully people, people bully people.

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L
O
L

LOL indeed

It looks like he first wrote down ten points that he thought may get his message across. Whether the points were any good doesn’t seem to have entered the equation. He then shoehorned the ten points into the article in a higgledy-piggledy manner in teh vague hope that something would stick.

2/10

My son and I saw the news story and how most young people use their phone to organise events, talk to friends and look up information and don’t actually waste the time people thing they do.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/school-mobile-phone-ban-is-short-sighted-opinion/11251768

The heavy-handedness of legislating a singular device ban is straight out of the alarmist’s book of bandaid solutions.

Prohibition will get us nowhere

Where there is prohibition there will be bootleggers, which gives rise to a whole new set of problems.

Prohibition puts the blame back on children and is a counterproductive denial of the reality of modern life. It is a displacement of our collective responsibility to prepare students for life beyond school.

Students are literally organising en masse to strike for radical climate action while the government fails to understand how burning fossils is causing a catastrophic climate crisis.

Photo: Banning phones is condescending when students have proven they are highly organised, as evidenced by mass demonstrations for climate action.

The blanket phone ban is to blame students by proxy as once again we ask children to pick up the pieces of a mess we adults created.

We have created the conditions in which students feel compelled to be constantly tethered to their devices.

Students would feel less compelled to use their phones if the technology provided to them by government funding was up to scratch.

Photo: In many schools mobile phones fill a gap when technology is not up to scratch.

Interestingly, it is public school students who will suffer the ban while their independent and private school counterparts enjoy a spoil of technological treasures and funding – bureaucracy free.

Photo: Phones don’t bully people, people bully people.

Like any absolutist measure, it is a policy that fails to understand the nuances and complexities of the issues it is supposed to remedy.

What policymakers need to learn is that phones don’t bully people, people bully people.

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L
O
L

LOL indeed

It looks like he first wrote down ten points that he thought may get his message across. Whether the points were any good doesn’t seem to have entered the equation. He then shoehorned the ten points into the article in a higgledy-piggledy manner in teh vague hope that something would stick.

2/10

fair assessment.

Cymek said:

My son and I saw the news story and how most young people use their phone to organise events, talk to friends and look up information and don’t actually waste the time people thing they do.

Even though mostly, these events are a waste of their valuable time.

Cymek said:

Banning is the easy not solution to problems instead of addressing real issues.
I can hardly blame my children for being pissed off with the world as they will inherit a broken one

These are clearly differing issues.

Cymek said:

My son and I saw the news story and how most young people use their phone to organise events, talk to friends and look up information and don’t actually waste the time people thing they do.

If ‘most’ kids are like my two then the vast majority of the time spent on their phones is messaging their friends who are sitting 15 metres away and watching some crappy youtube video.

sibeen said:

SCIENCE said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/school-mobile-phone-ban-is-short-sighted-opinion/11251768

The heavy-handedness of legislating a singular device ban is straight out of the alarmist’s book of bandaid solutions.

Prohibition will get us nowhere

Where there is prohibition there will be bootleggers, which gives rise to a whole new set of problems.

Prohibition puts the blame back on children and is a counterproductive denial of the reality of modern life. It is a displacement of our collective responsibility to prepare students for life beyond school.

Students are literally organising en masse to strike for radical climate action while the government fails to understand how burning fossils is causing a catastrophic climate crisis.

Photo: Banning phones is condescending when students have proven they are highly organised, as evidenced by mass demonstrations for climate action.

The blanket phone ban is to blame students by proxy as once again we ask children to pick up the pieces of a mess we adults created.

We have created the conditions in which students feel compelled to be constantly tethered to their devices.

Students would feel less compelled to use their phones if the technology provided to them by government funding was up to scratch.

Photo: In many schools mobile phones fill a gap when technology is not up to scratch.

Interestingly, it is public school students who will suffer the ban while their independent and private school counterparts enjoy a spoil of technological treasures and funding – bureaucracy free.

Photo: Phones don’t bully people, people bully people.

Like any absolutist measure, it is a policy that fails to understand the nuances and complexities of the issues it is supposed to remedy.

What policymakers need to learn is that phones don’t bully people, people bully people.

— — — —

L
O
L

LOL indeed

It looks like he first wrote down ten points that he thought may get his message across. Whether the points were any good doesn’t seem to have entered the equation. He then shoehorned the ten points into the article in a higgledy-piggledy manner in teh vague hope that something would stick.

2/10

But.. but. He’s a teacher!

Cymek said:

My son and I saw the news story and how most young people use their phone to organise events, talk to friends and look up information and don’t actually waste the time people thing they do.

Miss 14 and I had a discussion about it. The first thing she said was “you don’t get bullied while we are at school! They wait until we are at home to do that stuff.”

Arts said:

Cymek said:

My son and I saw the news story and how most young people use their phone to organise events, talk to friends and look up information and don’t actually waste the time people thing they do.

Miss 14 and I had a discussion about it. The first thing she said was “you don’t get bullied while we are at school! They wait until we are at home to do that stuff.”

Which is also an argument for what happens in the home, stays in the home.

I tend to agree with the article, though the argument was a bit lacking, and completely off the rails in places.

quite simply phones/computers make for a handy self-education tool, for individuated interests one would hope, a handy distraction even to that end.

the hyper-connectivity bullshit needs taming, the hyper-social aspects, rhetoric or whatever encouraging that.

so i’m saying unshared (or minimally shared) environments need promoting.

Mobile phones are good information tools, can alleviate the boredom of family obligations if you have one

>absolutist measure

You mean they’re actually banning irrelevant and distracting devices?

Madness! Next stop, Auschwitz.

Bubblecar said:

>absolutist measure

You mean they’re actually banning irrelevant and distracting devices?

Madness! Next stop, Auschwitz.

thing is it’s going to require quite possibly more resources to enforce it than accepting (students managing) them (through an educational school policy). The ban is harder to normalize, way harder, because it’s a distortion, seriously distorting.

apologies, i had comments about the included photographs as well but they were formatted out because they were enclosed by brackets

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Photo: Banning phones is condescending when students have proven they are highly organised, as evidenced by mass demonstrations for climate action.

this image shows students holding hand-painted signs with no clearly-visible mobile telephones or laptops

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Photo: In many schools mobile phones fill a gap when technology is not up to scratch.

this image shows student using laptop with graphical programming interface that is not well-optimised for mobile telephone use

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Photo: Phones don’t bully people, people bully people.

this image shows several backsides in jeans / other garb

How about a Faraday cage around classrooms to stop the mobile phone signal? Or, cheaper and more effective, a scrambler like a spark gap.

Children use mobile phones primarily to play addictive games. Not good for inside class.

mollwollfumble said:

How about a Faraday cage around classrooms to stop the mobile phone signal? Or, cheaper and more effective, a scrambler like a spark gap.

Children use mobile phones primarily to play addictive games. Not good for inside class.

Lots of ideas on how to generate electromagmetic interference (to stop mobile phone communication during class time) on this website.

https://www.electronicspoint.com/forums/threads/emi-rfi-generator.71908/

A 1.8 gigawatt emp pulse is overkill, but it will shut down a mobile phone. Here’s how to buy or build one.

https://www.amazing1.com/emp.html

mollwollfumble said:

mollwollfumble said:

How about a Faraday cage around classrooms to stop the mobile phone signal? Or, cheaper and more effective, a scrambler like a spark gap.

Children use mobile phones primarily to play addictive games. Not good for inside class.

Lots of ideas on how to generate electromagmetic interference (to stop mobile phone communication during class time) on this website.

https://www.electronicspoint.com/forums/threads/emi-rfi-generator.71908/

A 1.8 gigawatt emp pulse is overkill, but it will shut down a mobile phone. Here’s how to buy or build one.

https://www.amazing1.com/emp.html

but then the teachers can’t use thier mobile phones.. ad what does it do to computers? and ipads (which are used as educational tools these days)

what’s “interesting” is that it comes in an environment where we also have stuff like this

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/style/digital-divide-screens-schools.html

“America’s public schools are still promoting devices with screens — even offering digital-only preschools. The rich are banning screens from class altogether.”

“the worry was that rich students would have access to the internet earlier, gaining tech skills and creating a digital divide”

“Throwback play-based preschools are trending in affluent neighborhoods”

“the private Waldorf School of the Peninsula, popular with Silicon Valley executives, eschews most screens, the nearby public Hillview Middle School advertises its 1:1 iPad program”

“Dr. Freed and 200 other psychologists petitioned the American Psychological Association in August to formally condemn the work psychologists are doing with persuasive design for tech platforms that are designed for children. “