New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

I don’t care about rodents.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

I don’t care about rodents.

Smelly bastids. There probably wouldn’t be so many to kill if we didn’t provide the environment for mass production.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

I don’t care about rodents.

Smelly bastids. There probably wouldn’t be so many to kill if we didn’t provide the environment for mass production.

I kill rats & mice but relocate melomys & dunnarts. I suppose that makes me speciesist.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

I don’t care about rodents.

Smelly bastids. There probably wouldn’t be so many to kill if we didn’t provide the environment for mass production.

I kill rats & mice but relocate melomys & dunnarts. I suppose that makes me speciesist.

:) yeah.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

I don’t care about rodents.

I do! Not rattus rattus and mus mucsulus so much.

But the other 2,275 species.

In particular to old endemic and new endemic rodents of Australia. 53 or so species.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rodents_of_Australia

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

I don’t care about rodents.

I do! Not rattus rattus and mus mucsulus so much.

But the other 2,275 species.

In particular to old endemic and new endemic rodents of Australia. 53 or so species.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rodents_of_Australia

Yes. There is a lot to think about.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

I don’t care about rodents.

I do! Not rattus rattus and mus mucsulus so much.

But the other 2,275 species.

In particular to old endemic and new endemic rodents of Australia. 53 or so species.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rodents_of_Australia

Yes. There is a lot to think about.

Possibly I should have been a bit more specific about rodents.

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

Can we get a link as to wth you’re on about?

other than that:
Mice are pretty much the all-but universal base of the mammalian food chain/web.

Not caring about their fate is like saying you don’t give a rodent’s rectum about plankton
since we don’t eat them, can barely see them, and some of them breed out of control due to pollution

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

Can you at least provide the title of the book?

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

Can we get a link as to wth you’re on about?

other than that:
Mice are pretty much the all-but universal base of the mammalian food chain/web.

Not caring about their fate is like saying you don’t give a rodent’s rectum about plankton
since we don’t eat them, can barely see them, and some of them breed out of control due to pollution

maybe we should start eating plankton

dv said:

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

Can you at least provide the title of the book?

To tell the truth I’m not quite sure which book. It was something that was being chatted about on ABC news breakfast. Maybe it is this? https://www.cockburnlibraries.com.au/events-list/matthew-evans-on-eating-meat/

I’ve no idea of the source for the stat in the Subject line but to put this in perspective: there are 20 to 50 billion mice in the world. Their lifespan in the wild is less than a year. Conservatively then there are 20 to 50 billion mice deaths per year, so 2 to 5% of mice deaths are related to human agriculture, if the headline stat is right.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

New book delivers manifesto on ethics of meat eating.

Do we care about the mice?

and other thoughts.

Can you at least provide the title of the book?

To tell the truth I’m not quite sure which book. It was something that was being chatted about on ABC news breakfast. Maybe it is this? https://www.cockburnlibraries.com.au/events-list/matthew-evans-on-eating-meat/

I love you like a brother man but this is just terrible foruming.

dv said:

I’ve no idea of the source for the stat in the Subject line but to put this in perspective: there are 20 to 50 billion mice in the world. Their lifespan in the wild is less than a year. Conservatively then there are 20 to 50 billion mice deaths per year, so 2 to 5% of mice deaths are related to human agriculture, if the headline stat is right.

The research was only done in WA according to what I heard.

dv said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

Can you at least provide the title of the book?

To tell the truth I’m not quite sure which book. It was something that was being chatted about on ABC news breakfast. Maybe it is this? https://www.cockburnlibraries.com.au/events-list/matthew-evans-on-eating-meat/

I love you like a brother man but this is just terrible foruming.

It only sounds that way. Don’t worry, it confused me as well.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

To tell the truth I’m not quite sure which book. It was something that was being chatted about on ABC news breakfast. Maybe it is this? https://www.cockburnlibraries.com.au/events-list/matthew-evans-on-eating-meat/

I love you like a brother man but this is just terrible foruming.

It only sounds that way. Don’t worry, it confused me as well.

The conversation was about mice in agriculture and the footer mentioned a new book about eating meat.

dv said:

… there are 20 to 50 billion mice in the world.
…

Are you only counting Mus musculus?

roughbarked said:

dv said:

roughbarked said:

To tell the truth I’m not quite sure which book. It was something that was being chatted about on ABC news breakfast. Maybe it is this? https://www.cockburnlibraries.com.au/events-list/matthew-evans-on-eating-meat/

I love you like a brother man but this is just terrible foruming.

It only sounds that way. Don’t worry, it confused me as well.

I hadn’t even considered that you were suggesting eating the lil barstewards!
which brought to mind a book I’d read as a kid (Those About To Die) wherein
they described various delicacies served at an orgy/banquet, one of which was
Skewered Fried Mice…which inevitably brought to mind the Monty Python skit

Ogmog said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I love you like a brother man but this is just terrible foruming.

It only sounds that way. Don’t worry, it confused me as well.

I hadn’t even considered that you were suggesting eating the lil barstewards!
which brought to mind a book I’d read as a kid (Those About To Die) wherein
they described various delicacies served at an orgy/banquet, one of which was
Skewered Fried Mice…which inevitably brought to mind the Monty Python skit

I didn’t remember the raw frog sketch.

I thought it was going the be The Wolf’s Nipple Chips Sketch

Reminded me of..

Blackadder: What’s on the menu?
Baldrick: Rat. Saute or fricassee.
Blackadder: Oh, the agony of choice. Saute involves…?
Baldrick: Well, you take the freshly shaved rat, and you marinade it in a puddle for a while.
Blackadder: Hmm, for how long?
Baldrick: Until it’s drowned. Then you stretch it out under a hot light bulb, then you get within dashing distance of the latrine, and then you scoff it right down.
Blackadder: So that’s sauteing. And fricasseeing?
Baldrick: Exactly the same, just a slightly bigger rat.

Of course the Chinese have made a meal of fried mice…

Aside from a simple mouse filet, fans can also order specially cured mouse bacon made into tiny rashers by delicate carving. The meat doesn’t have to be fried, either. (Though doesn’t everything taste better deep-fried?) You can prepare it much like you would any other type of meat, just in smaller, mouse-sized portions.

“I’ve been eating mice for 10 years with no ill effects. You can fry them, roast them or boil them. They’re very sweet and tasty,” said customer Mo Lin.

Mice might be among the most abundant of rodents, but carefully slicing out only the finest of cuts from such a tiny animal does take a special skill. As a result, the delicacy isn’t as cheap as you would think. Pound for pound it’s more expensive than chicken or pork.

There are thousands of meals in a minki whale and only one animal needs to die.

Ian said:

Of course the Chinese have made a meal of fried mice…

Aside from a simple mouse filet, fans can also order specially cured mouse bacon made into tiny rashers by delicate carving. The meat doesn’t have to be fried, either. (Though doesn’t everything taste better deep-fried?) You can prepare it much like you would any other type of meat, just in smaller, mouse-sized portions.

“I’ve been eating mice for 10 years with no ill effects. You can fry them, roast them or boil them. They’re very sweet and tasty,” said customer Mo Lin.

Mice might be among the most abundant of rodents, but carefully slicing out only the finest of cuts from such a tiny animal does take a special skill. As a result, the delicacy isn’t as cheap as you would think. Pound for pound it’s more expensive than chicken or pork.

I love those meeces in pieces. bit size pieces.

ChrispenEvan said:

Ian said:

Of course the Chinese have made a meal of fried mice…

Aside from a simple mouse filet, fans can also order specially cured mouse bacon made into tiny rashers by delicate carving. The meat doesn’t have to be fried, either. (Though doesn’t everything taste better deep-fried?) You can prepare it much like you would any other type of meat, just in smaller, mouse-sized portions.

“I’ve been eating mice for 10 years with no ill effects. You can fry them, roast them or boil them. They’re very sweet and tasty,” said customer Mo Lin.

Mice might be among the most abundant of rodents, but carefully slicing out only the finest of cuts from such a tiny animal does take a special skill. As a result, the delicacy isn’t as cheap as you would think. Pound for pound it’s more expensive than chicken or pork.

I love those meeces in pieces. bit size pieces.

You could have Meece’s Pieces instead of Reece’s Pieces

ChrispenEvan said:

Ian said:

Of course the Chinese have made a meal of fried mice…

Aside from a simple mouse filet, fans can also order specially cured mouse bacon made into tiny rashers by delicate carving. The meat doesn’t have to be fried, either. (Though doesn’t everything taste better deep-fried?) You can prepare it much like you would any other type of meat, just in smaller, mouse-sized portions.

“I’ve been eating mice for 10 years with no ill effects. You can fry them, roast them or boil them. They’re very sweet and tasty,” said customer Mo Lin.

Mice might be among the most abundant of rodents, but carefully slicing out only the finest of cuts from such a tiny animal does take a special skill. As a result, the delicacy isn’t as cheap as you would think. Pound for pound it’s more expensive than chicken or pork.

I love those meeces in pieces. bit size pieces.

I’m surprised no-one mentioned Heston.

He made a meal from dormouse. Apparently a delicacy in some eastern european country.

Look up “heston blumenthal dormouse lollipop”

We could breed mice and rats as an alternative to other meat sources, supplement them with insects as well.
Could eat feral pests as well I suppose.
Would need a good marketing campaign in places they aren’t traditionally eaten.

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

We could breed zooplankton to feed whales with…then eat the whales as a meat and fat source.

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

If we could mimic meat, appearance, taste, texture, etc with vegetable protein it would be beneficial

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

We could breed zooplankton to feed whales with…then feed the whales to japanese then eat them as a meat and fat source.

fixed.

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

We could breed zooplankton to feed whales with…then eat the whales as a meat and fat source.

Each step you go up the food chain you get a diminishing return on inputs. This is because the whale would use up a large chunk of the food energy intake in breathing, regulating body temperature, swimming about and just exhibiting normal whale-like behaviour, You would always be better off just eating the zooplankton directly rather than feeding it to some other higher animal.

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

…. and what flavours does zooplankton come in?

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

PETA have got to PP….

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

…. and what flavours does zooplankton come in?

tastes a bit like chicken, or so I’m told.

Witty Rejoinder said:

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

PETA have got to PP….

Zooplankton are animals too, and they would have to die in the hundreds of billions to feed the world.

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

We could breed zooplankton to feed whales with…then eat the whales as a meat and fat source.

Each step you go up the food chain you get a diminishing return on inputs. This is because the whale would use up a large chunk of the food energy intake in breathing, regulating body temperature, swimming about and just exhibiting normal whale-like behaviour, You would always be better off just eating the zooplankton directly rather than feeding it to some other higher animal.

> Each step you go up the food chain you get a diminishing return on inputs.

Yes. By a factor of 10 or more.

But something said recently on a kiddies zoo program made me rethink that just a bit.

Feeding the vegetarians in the zoo is an awful task because they are always eating so go through an enormous amount of food. Feeding the carnivores on the other hand is much easier because they only need to eat twice a week.

Add into that a Todd Sampson quote from his time with an African tribe, how surprised he was that people only really need to eat very little food.

So if we eat from higher up the food chain, but only twice a week. It’s a thought.

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

…. and what flavours does zooplankton come in?

Quite a lot of flavours, i should think. More flavours than “seafood”. There’s a huge variety of species. And perhaps add to that different food preparation methods.

I wonder what we couldn’t eat.
Could we for example eat most insects from our garden

mollwollfumble said:

party_pants said:

poikilotherm said:

We could breed zooplankton to feed whales with…then eat the whales as a meat and fat source.

Each step you go up the food chain you get a diminishing return on inputs. This is because the whale would use up a large chunk of the food energy intake in breathing, regulating body temperature, swimming about and just exhibiting normal whale-like behaviour, You would always be better off just eating the zooplankton directly rather than feeding it to some other higher animal.

> Each step you go up the food chain you get a diminishing return on inputs.

Yes. By a factor of 10 or more.

But something said recently on a kiddies zoo program made me rethink that just a bit.

Feeding the vegetarians in the zoo is an awful task because they are always eating so go through an enormous amount of food. Feeding the carnivores on the other hand is much easier because they only need to eat twice a week.

Add into that a Todd Sampson quote from his time with an African tribe, how surprised he was that people only really need to eat very little food.

So if we eat from higher up the food chain, but only twice a week. It’s a thought.

And vegavours are thick as two short planks while carnivores are smart and cunning

Peak Warming Man said:

mollwollfumble said:

party_pants said:

Each step you go up the food chain you get a diminishing return on inputs. This is because the whale would use up a large chunk of the food energy intake in breathing, regulating body temperature, swimming about and just exhibiting normal whale-like behaviour, You would always be better off just eating the zooplankton directly rather than feeding it to some other higher animal.

> Each step you go up the food chain you get a diminishing return on inputs.

Yes. By a factor of 10 or more.

But something said recently on a kiddies zoo program made me rethink that just a bit.

Feeding the vegetarians in the zoo is an awful task because they are always eating so go through an enormous amount of food. Feeding the carnivores on the other hand is much easier because they only need to eat twice a week.

Add into that a Todd Sampson quote from his time with an African tribe, how surprised he was that people only really need to eat very little food.

So if we eat from higher up the food chain, but only twice a week. It’s a thought.

And vegavours are thick as two short planks while carnivores are smart and cunning

If vegetable and plants ran away and fought back they’d be smarter

Cymek said:

I wonder what we couldn’t eat.
Could we for example eat most insects from our garden

I’d reckon, bogon moths were a staple for aborigines at certain times of the year and they are rich in protein apparently.

roughbarked said:

https://www.cockburnlibraries.com.au/events-list/matthew-evans-on-eating-meat/

ahhh this guy. lost all cred when he paid $90 for a litre of olive oil from a couple of old Italians. They saw him coming.

party_pants said:

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

…. and what flavours does zooplankton come in?

tastes a bit like chicken, or so I’m told.

Wah……. no gravy?

Cymek said:

I wonder what we couldn’t eat.

Brussell sprouts.

Woodie said:

Cymek said:

I wonder what we couldn’t eat.

Brussell sprouts.

LOL

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.cockburnlibraries.com.au/events-list/matthew-evans-on-eating-meat/

ahhh this guy. lost all cred when he paid $90 for a litre of olive oil from a couple of old Italians. They saw him coming.

Yowzers, it would possible cost you that if you picked olives from a tree and sent them off to be pressed

Peak Warming Man said:

There are thousands of meals in a minki whale and only one animal needs to die.

Sage.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.cockburnlibraries.com.au/events-list/matthew-evans-on-eating-meat/

ahhh this guy. lost all cred when he paid $90 for a litre of olive oil from a couple of old Italians. They saw him coming.

Probably old engine oil.

Peak Warming Man said:

There are thousands of meals in a minki whale and only one animal needs to die.

dirty little minkies.

Interesting

https://www.sbs.com.au/food/article/2018/06/28/edible-insects-edible-bug-shop

ChrispenEvan said:

Peak Warming Man said:

There are thousands of meals in a minki whale and only one animal needs to die.

dirty little minkies.

Are they the minkies Inspector Clouseau was referring to?

Vitabug

Cymek said:

Vitabug

It mentions people allergic to shellfish can have similar reactions to eating insects.
Ha they have ants and chocolate bars, all sold out though

Stepped up and ordered some VitaBug Snack Crickets- Chilli & Garlic

I’ll bring them to work and let you know what they are like, probably in a week or so.

Cymek said:

Stepped up and ordered some VitaBug Snack Crickets- Chilli & Garlic

I’ll bring them to work and let you know what they are like, probably in a week or so.

Jolly good.

Woodie said:

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

…. and what flavours does zooplankton come in?

Albatross.

Cymek said:

Vitabug

PERFECT!
…and you doan even hafta’ unbone ‘em to make them cRuNcHiE :-D

Ogmog said:

Cymek said:

Vitabug

PERFECT!
…and you doan even hafta’ unbone ‘em to make them cRuNcHiE :-D

No, the confectionary looks interesting sold out though

Chinese famine menu three scream mice.

party_pants said:

We could breed zooplankton, fed on algae. Would probably be the most efficient method of farming meat proteins. The zooplankton would be ground up into a paste or powder and then pressed into pellets, or formed into other shape to resemble products obtained from higher food chain animals.

Now there’s the real “final” solution to the Protein/Population Problem…
…convince people that the green wafers are zooplankton…
…while actually…
…well, you know…

• wink * wink * nudge * nudge *

Perhaps feral pests need to become food, get rid of one problem and temporarily feed people with them.

Cymek said:

Perhaps feral pests need to become food, get rid of one problem and temporarily feed people with them.

You are welcome to fox and cat meals. Give me your address and I’ll deliver hot bodies.

ChrispenEvan said:

roughbarked said:

https://www.cockburnlibraries.com.au/events-list/matthew-evans-on-eating-meat/

ahhh this guy. lost all cred when he paid $90 for a litre of olive oil from a couple of old Italians. They saw him coming.

They certainly did.

https://abcmedia.akamaized.net/radio/local_hobart/audio/201907/abr-2019-07-04-curious-climate-1.mp3