Most of them are decomposing now and a disproportion of them seem to die young.
I also thought Vargner should have been there.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic-100/composer/

Peak Warming Man said:

Most of them are decomposing now and a disproportion of them seem to die young.
I also thought Vargner should have been there.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic-100/composer/

Well, he was. He’s spelled Richard Wagner.

“Egoism, overweening ambition, opportunism, deceit, spite, jealousy, arrogance, philandering, profligacy and racism.” Such is the “formidable catalogue” of personal attributes, according to scholar Barry Millington, of which Vargner stands accused.

“Life is too short to listen to Wagner” – Horace Rumpole.

Ian said:

“Egoism, overweening ambition, opportunism, deceit, spite, jealousy, arrogance, philandering, profligacy and racism.” Such is the “formidable catalogue” of personal attributes, according to scholar Barry Millington, of which Vargner stands accused.

9 emotion attributes out of the 80+ scalable emotional scope.

People have their good days and bad days.

It’s a way better list this, rather than the top 100 pieces of classical music where you end up with Ralph fucking Vaughan Williams – The Lark Ascending as the #1 pick and he also comes in at #4 with Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis.

In the top composers he doesn’t even make the top 10 – which is perfectly correct.

sibeen said:

It’s a way better list this, rather than the top 100 pieces of classical music where you end up with Ralph fucking Vaughan Williams – The Lark Ascending as the #1 pick and he also comes in at #4 with Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis.

In the top composers he doesn’t even make the top 10 – which is perfectly correct.

Did George Gershwin get a gurnsey?

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

It’s a way better list this, rather than the top 100 pieces of classical music where you end up with Ralph fucking Vaughan Williams – The Lark Ascending as the #1 pick and he also comes in at #4 with Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis.

In the top composers he doesn’t even make the top 10 – which is perfectly correct.

Did George Gershwin get a gurnsey?

Yep – #27

sibeen said:

Tamb said:

sibeen said:

It’s a way better list this, rather than the top 100 pieces of classical music where you end up with Ralph fucking Vaughan Williams – The Lark Ascending as the #1 pick and he also comes in at #4 with Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis.

In the top composers he doesn’t even make the top 10 – which is perfectly correct.

Did George Gershwin get a gurnsey?

Yep – #27

Thanks. I was looking for Wagner & didn’t notice George.

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Most of them are decomposing now and a disproportion of them seem to die young.
I also thought Vargner should have been there.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic-100/composer/

Well, he was. He’s spelled Richard Wagner.

Well, i’m happy to agree to the top 9.
Elgar isn’t a number 10 though, more like number 50.
Glad they added Clara Schumann and Fanny Mendelsson, great classic female composers.

And as for these, well, i’ve never heard of them and not sure i want to. Added comments on the first seven below by mrs m. So perhaps they’ve got it right.

16 Elena Kats-Chernin – mrs m says she’s fantastic.
26 Arvo Pärt – the chior has sung some of his
30 Ross Edwards – know of him
33 Hildegard von Bingen – earliest woman
40 Ennio Morricone – movies
49 Max Bruch – 12 tone serial
54 Joaquín Rodrigo – wonderful concerto strings maybe guitar.
59 Hans Zimmer
64 Astor Piazzolla
65 Ludovico Einaudi
67 Karl Jenkins
68 John Rutter
80 Max Richter
81 Howard Shore
85 John Barry
86 Gregorio Allegri
87 William Barton
89 Jules Massenet
90 Peggy Glanville-Hicks
91 Michael Nyman
92 Erich Korngold
93 Graeme Koehne
95 Henryk Górecki
96 Sally Whitwell

Heavily biased towards Australians, I see, which helps to explain why they play some really awful music on ABC classic FM.

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Most of them are decomposing now and a disproportion of them seem to die young.
I also thought Vargner should have been there.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic-100/composer/

Well, he was. He’s spelled Richard Wagner.

Well, i’m happy to agree to the top 9.
Elgar isn’t a number 10 though, more like number 50.
Glad they added Clara Schumann and Fanny Mendelsson, great classic female composers.

And as for these, well, i’ve never heard of them and not sure i want to. Added comments on the first seven below by mrs m. So perhaps they’ve got it right.

16 Elena Kats-Chernin – mrs m says she’s fantastic.
26 Arvo Pärt – the chior has sung some of his
30 Ross Edwards – know of him
33 Hildegard von Bingen – earliest woman
40 Ennio Morricone – movies
49 Max Bruch – 12 tone serial
54 Joaquín Rodrigo – wonderful concerto strings maybe guitar.
59 Hans Zimmer
64 Astor Piazzolla
65 Ludovico Einaudi
67 Karl Jenkins
68 John Rutter
80 Max Richter
81 Howard Shore
85 John Barry
86 Gregorio Allegri
87 William Barton
89 Jules Massenet
90 Peggy Glanville-Hicks
91 Michael Nyman
92 Erich Korngold
93 Graeme Koehne
95 Henryk Górecki
96 Sally Whitwell

Heavily biased towards Australians, I see, which helps to explain why they play some really awful music on ABC classic FM.

I know of..

Peggy Winsome Glanville-Hicks (29 December 1912 – 25 June 1990) was an Australian composer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Glanville-Hicks

sarahs mum said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

Well, he was. He’s spelled Richard Wagner.

Well, i’m happy to agree to the top 9.
Elgar isn’t a number 10 though, more like number 50.
Glad they added Clara Schumann and Fanny Mendelsson, great classic female composers.

And as for these, well, i’ve never heard of them and not sure i want to. Added comments on the first seven below by mrs m. So perhaps they’ve got it right.

16 Elena Kats-Chernin – mrs m says she’s fantastic.
26 Arvo Pärt – the chior has sung some of his
30 Ross Edwards – know of him
33 Hildegard von Bingen – earliest woman
40 Ennio Morricone – movies
49 Max Bruch – 12 tone serial
54 Joaquín Rodrigo – wonderful concerto strings maybe guitar.
59 Hans Zimmer
64 Astor Piazzolla
65 Ludovico Einaudi
67 Karl Jenkins
68 John Rutter
80 Max Richter
81 Howard Shore
85 John Barry
86 Gregorio Allegri
87 William Barton
89 Jules Massenet
90 Peggy Glanville-Hicks
91 Michael Nyman
92 Erich Korngold
93 Graeme Koehne
95 Henryk Górecki
96 Sally Whitwell

Heavily biased towards Australians, I see, which helps to explain why they play some really awful music on ABC classic FM.

I know of..

Peggy Winsome Glanville-Hicks (29 December 1912 – 25 June 1990) was an Australian composer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Glanville-Hicks

And Hans Zimmer was framed.

Henryk Górecki

Symphony No. 3, Op. 36: II. Lento e Largo – Tranquillissimo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN2DiY5OXF4

Gregorio Allegri

Miserere Mei Deus (Allegri) – King’s College Choir, Cambridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lC7V8hG198

mollwollfumble said:

Tamb said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Most of them are decomposing now and a disproportion of them seem to die young.
I also thought Vargner should have been there.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic-100/composer/

Well, he was. He’s spelled Richard Wagner.

Well, i’m happy to agree to the top 9.
Elgar isn’t a number 10 though, more like number 50.
Glad they added Clara Schumann and Fanny Mendelsson, great classic female composers.

And as for these, well, i’ve never heard of them and not sure i want to. Added comments on the first seven below by mrs m. So perhaps they’ve got it right.

16 Elena Kats-Chernin – mrs m says she’s fantastic.
26 Arvo Pärt – the chior has sung some of his
30 Ross Edwards – know of him
33 Hildegard von Bingen – earliest woman
40 Ennio Morricone – movies
49 Max Bruch – 12 tone serial
54 Joaquín Rodrigo – wonderful concerto strings maybe guitar.
59 Hans Zimmer
64 Astor Piazzolla
65 Ludovico Einaudi
67 Karl Jenkins
68 John Rutter
80 Max Richter
81 Howard Shore
85 John Barry
86 Gregorio Allegri
87 William Barton
89 Jules Massenet
90 Peggy Glanville-Hicks
91 Michael Nyman
92 Erich Korngold
93 Graeme Koehne
95 Henryk Górecki
96 Sally Whitwell

Heavily biased towards Australians, I see, which helps to explain why they play some really awful music on ABC classic FM.

I’ve got no problem with Elgar at #10.

Hildegard von Bingen

Caritas abundat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-yFJZOiBrA&list=PL4fPl4YZK6Yg1_90t8ee3n90MpvvI3UZh

I’m rather fond of pieces by Franz Xaver Wolfgang Mozart , Mozart’s son. I think he’s underrated.

They missed Offenbach. Cesar Franck. Zóltan Kodály.

But I suppose that’s not a huge loss.

Peak Warming Man said:

Most of them are decomposing now and a disproportion of them seem to die young.
I also thought Vargner should have been there.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic-100/composer/

Smh. It is spelt “vagina”.

Dicky Dubs is at number 35.

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

My boy Elgar at 10, satisfied.
My other boy Dvořák at 13, fair.

I dare say some purists will be rolling their eyes about John Williams at 15, but he’s good, the man’s good, suck it up.

Sibelius at 17 (nods). Puccini at 19, Shostakovich at 24.

I have to admit that once we get to the 30s I start encountering names I do not know, such as Hildegard von Bingen.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Most of them are decomposing now and a disproportion of them seem to die young.
I also thought Vargner should have been there.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic-100/composer/

Smh. It is spelt “vagina”.

Dicky Dubs is at number 35.

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

My boy Elgar at 10, satisfied.
My other boy Dvořák at 13, fair.

I dare say some purists will be rolling their eyes about John Williams at 15, but he’s good, the man’s good, suck it up.

Sibelius at 17 (nods). Puccini at 19, Shostakovich at 24.

I have to admit that once we get to the 30s I start encountering names I do not know, such as Hildegard von Bingen.

Hildegard von Bingen was a very fine medieval composer, one of the few female composers from the early period whose work has survived.

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

Andre Rieu should be at number one and Phillip Glass at number 2 and Danny Elfman at number 3

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Most of them are decomposing now and a disproportion of them seem to die young.
I also thought Vargner should have been there.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic-100/composer/

Smh. It is spelt “vagina”.

Dicky Dubs is at number 35.

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

My boy Elgar at 10, satisfied.
My other boy Dvořák at 13, fair.

I dare say some purists will be rolling their eyes about John Williams at 15, but he’s good, the man’s good, suck it up.

Sibelius at 17 (nods). Puccini at 19, Shostakovich at 24.

I have to admit that once we get to the 30s I start encountering names I do not know, such as Hildegard von Bingen.

> Shostakovich at 24

Not anywhere near as good as Mahler, but then they put Mahler way up at 20.

No Messien “one of the major composers of the 20th century” – good, excellent, I’d rather die than listen to another Messien.

No F. W Bach or Stamitz – again, they don’t deserve to be on the list.

No William Byrd, or Jeremiah Clarke … or Henry VIII.

No Louis Moreau Gottschalk. Not a huge loss.

dv said:

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

Why the problem with Wolfy at #3?

Woodie said:

“Life is too short to listen to Wagner” – Horace Rumpole.

“Wagner Has Some Beautiful Moments But Terrible Quarter-Hours”.

Elvis_Rieu said:

Andre Rieu should be at number one …

yeah, with a bullet.

sibeen said:

dv said:

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

Why the problem with Wolfy at #3?

There will always be a lot of debate about the order of the first three.

Depending on how you measure the music. Brilliance, perfection, novelty, accessibility to children, stability.

A bit like Clarke, Asimov & Heinlein in SciFi circles.

Classical music is the only music that exists in science fiction futures especially Star Trek

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

—

Absolutely. Bump him down about 10 places.

Is this in the list?

The Cinematic Orchestra Arrival of the Birds & Transformation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqoANESQ4cQ

I wonder how everybody’s top 100 composers would compare?

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder how everybody’s top 100 composers would compare?

I don’t think I could name that many.

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder how everybody’s top 100 composers would compare?

I don’t think I could name that many.

Try this list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era

Tau.Neutrino said:

party_pants said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

I wonder how everybody’s top 100 composers would compare?

I don’t think I could name that many.

Try this list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era

80

This is an orchestral but I like

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y66HcrGbo4

Cymek said:

Classical music is the only music that exists in science fiction futures especially Star Trek

I see what you did there

sibeen said:

dv said:

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

Why the problem with Wolfy at #3?

There are those who believe the battle is for silver because Mozart is so far in front.

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Most of them are decomposing now and a disproportion of them seem to die young.
I also thought Vargner should have been there.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic-100/composer/

Smh. It is spelt “vagina”.

Dicky Dubs is at number 35.

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

My boy Elgar at 10, satisfied.
My other boy Dvořák at 13, fair.

I dare say some purists will be rolling their eyes about John Williams at 15, but he’s good, the man’s good, suck it up.

Sibelius at 17 (nods). Puccini at 19, Shostakovich at 24.

I have to admit that once we get to the 30s I start encountering names I do not know, such as Hildegard von Bingen.

Hildegard von Bingen was a very fine medieval composer, one of the few female composers from the early period whose work has survived.

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

I’ll have to start a Bingen Binge

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

Why the problem with Wolfy at #3?

There are those who believe the battle is for silver because Mozart is so far in front.

Don’t we call those people “idiots”?

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

Why the problem with Wolfy at #3?

There are those who believe the battle is for silver because Mozart is so far in front.

Don’t we call those people “idiots”?

I don’t think we’d call those people idiots …

Classical Music – Topic
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLwMU2tKAlCoMSbGQDuiMSg

dv said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

There are those who believe the battle is for silver because Mozart is so far in front.

Don’t we call those people “idiots”?

I don’t think we’d call those people idiots …

Surely there’s some who would take that stance?

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

dv said:

Smh. It is spelt “vagina”.

Dicky Dubs is at number 35.

WAM at 3. (Sharp intake of breath through teeth)

My boy Elgar at 10, satisfied.
My other boy Dvořák at 13, fair.

I dare say some purists will be rolling their eyes about John Williams at 15, but he’s good, the man’s good, suck it up.

Sibelius at 17 (nods). Puccini at 19, Shostakovich at 24.

I have to admit that once we get to the 30s I start encountering names I do not know, such as Hildegard von Bingen.

Hildegard von Bingen was a very fine medieval composer, one of the few female composers from the early period whose work has survived.

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

I’ll have to start a Bingen Binge

She’s the oldest composer at 921, apparently.
The youngest is 38.

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

Don’t we call those people “idiots”?

I don’t think we’d call those people idiots …

Surely there’s some who would take that stance?

yes, idiots.

I wonder what the drug and alcohol distribution looks like?

sibeen said:

dv said:

sibeen said:

Don’t we call those people “idiots”?

I don’t think we’d call those people idiots …

Surely there’s some who would take that stance?

I’m one of them. I’ve always found Wolfie’s compositions shallow and vacuous, like the pop music of his day.

ChrispenEvan said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

I don’t think we’d call those people idiots …

Surely there’s some who would take that stance?

yes, idiots.

suck air through teeth

I’ll admit to being a Ludwig fanboy.

sibeen said:

I’ll admit to being a Ludwig fanboy.

Have you seen ‘A Clockwork Orange’?

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

I’ll admit to being a Ludwig fanboy.

Have you seen ‘A Clockwork Orange’?

Several times; it has not put me off the ninth. In fact it remains my favourite piece of music.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

I’ll admit to being a Ludwig fanboy.

Have you seen ‘A Clockwork Orange’?

Several times; it has not put me off the ninth. In fact it remains my favourite piece of music.

Why would it put you off the ninth?

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Have you seen ‘A Clockwork Orange’?

Several times; it has not put me off the ninth. In fact it remains my favourite piece of music.

Why would it put you off the ninth?

No, no, you need to read what I said; it has not put me off the ninth :)

Peak Warming Man said:

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Hildegard von Bingen was a very fine medieval composer, one of the few female composers from the early period whose work has survived.

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

I’ll have to start a Bingen Binge

She’s the oldest composer at 921, apparently.
The youngest is 38.

I mean Mozart was eight years old when he wrote his first symphony.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Several times; it has not put me off the ninth. In fact it remains my favourite piece of music.

Why would it put you off the ninth?

No, no, you need to read what I said; it has not put me off the ninth :)

:-/

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Why would it put you off the ninth?

No, no, you need to read what I said; it has not put me off the ninth :)

:-/

Sib 1 WR 0

What’s Beethoven’s favourite fruit?

Woodie said:

What’s Beethoven’s favourite fruit?

ba na na na

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

No, no, you need to read what I said; it has not put me off the ninth :)

:-/

Sib 1 WR 0

sigh

Have you seen ‘ACO’?

Actually, I object. I don’t think 11th century music can be considered Classical music even by the most generous definitions.

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

:-/

Sib 1 WR 0

sigh

Have you seen ‘ACO’?

Yes

dv said:

Woodie said:

What’s Beethoven’s favourite fruit?

ba na na na

What’s brown and sits on a piano stool?

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Sib 1 WR 0

sigh

Have you seen ‘ACO’?

Yes

So am I to understand that you think Sibeen is making an ironic joke about the movie and not just being difficult?

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sigh

Have you seen ‘ACO’?

Yes

So am I to understand that you think Sibeen is making an ironic joke about the movie and not just being difficult?

I have no special abilities to divine sibeen’s intentions.

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Yes

So am I to understand that you think Sibeen is making an ironic joke about the movie and not just being difficult?

I have no special abilities to divine sibeen’s intentions.

Then what the fuck is the point scoring about?

Woodie said:

dv said:

Woodie said:

What’s Beethoven’s favourite fruit?

ba na na na

What’s brown and sits on a piano stool?

tell me

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So am I to understand that you think Sibeen is making an ironic joke about the movie and not just being difficult?

I have no special abilities to divine sibeen’s intentions.

Then what the fuck is the point scoring about?

It struck me as an amusing exchange that was more discomfiting for you than it was for sibeen.

I’m following you sibeen.

dv said:

Woodie said:

dv said:

ba na na na

What’s brown and sits on a piano stool?

tell me

his last movement.

dv said:

Woodie said:

dv said:

ba na na na

What’s brown and sits on a piano stool?

tell me

Beethoven’s last movement. hehehehehehe

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sigh

Have you seen ‘ACO’?

Yes

So am I to understand that you think Sibeen is making an ironic joke about the movie and not just being difficult?

I really don’t understand. The ninth was used in the main characters aversion therapy as it was his favourite piece of music. It didn’t put me off the piece that it was his favourite music nor that it was used in his therapy. That’s all.

Woodie said:

dv said:

Woodie said:

What’s brown and sits on a piano stool?

tell me

Beethoven’s last movement. hehehehehehe

You could probably work the “stool” pun in there

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Yes

So am I to understand that you think Sibeen is making an ironic joke about the movie and not just being difficult?

I really don’t understand. The ninth was used in the main characters aversion therapy as it was his favourite piece of music. It didn’t put me off the piece that it was his favourite music nor that it was used in his therapy. That’s all.

character’s

sigh

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

dv said:

Yes

So am I to understand that you think Sibeen is making an ironic joke about the movie and not just being difficult?

I really don’t understand. The ninth was used in the main characters aversion therapy as it was his favourite piece of music. It didn’t put me off the piece that it was his favourite music nor that it was used in his therapy. That’s all.

Seems a strange point to make.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

So am I to understand that you think Sibeen is making an ironic joke about the movie and not just being difficult?

I really don’t understand. The ninth was used in the main characters aversion therapy as it was his favourite piece of music. It didn’t put me off the piece that it was his favourite music nor that it was used in his therapy. That’s all.

Seems a strange point to make.

Err, you asked about ACO, the ninth is a major part of the plot line as is his Ludwig fanboyem. I’m not sure why you brought it up otherwise.

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

I really don’t understand. The ninth was used in the main characters aversion therapy as it was his favourite piece of music. It didn’t put me off the piece that it was his favourite music nor that it was used in his therapy. That’s all.

Seems a strange point to make.

Err, you asked about ACO, the ninth is a major part of the plot line as is his Ludwig fanboyem. I’m not sure why you brought it up otherwise.

FMD I have seen the movie. I’m just curious as to why you’d think that its prominence in the film would cause anyone to like the piece less as you seemed to suggest.

Witty Rejoinder said:

sibeen said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Seems a strange point to make.

Err, you asked about ACO, the ninth is a major part of the plot line as is his Ludwig fanboyem. I’m not sure why you brought it up otherwise.

FMD I have seen the movie. I’m just curious as to why you’d think that its prominence in the film would cause anyone to like the piece less as you seemed to suggest.

I was responding to you bringing up ACO. I just stated that it didn’t change my opinion of the piece, that is all.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Woodie said:

What’s brown and sits on a piano stool?

tell me

his last movement.

that’s gross

Had a funny experience on the weekend. The boss lady and I went shopping, and when we got back to the car she realised she had to get something from another outlet, so I said I’d just wait for her in the car. I noticed that I’d parked slightly crooked, so I straightened up out of consideration for the adjacent parkers, and then turned the car off and attended to some emails.

After a minute I heard loud yelling and screaming, and a red-faced man came and yelled at me. I lowered the window, and he said, “What the fuck are you doing you faggot are you going or not I’ve been waiting…”

I said, “Yeah nah, I’m not.”

The dude changed colour a few times and increased volume and I was trying not to laugh at him. I was feeling a bit too Sundayish to give much of a shit.

Me: “I understand you’re disappointed but hey, shit happens right?”

Him: “Fucking Western Australian drivers you’re all fucking mad use your brain! What are you doing?”

Me: “Well, not leaving, so…”

Him: “Faggot arse cunt use your brain!”

Me: “Mate, mate … you need to calm down. “

He kept on, so I shook my head at him and just went back to my phone, didn’t bother winding the window up. He wandered away eventually and kept on yelling.

I remember a while back one of the buzzwords was “tone matching”: that calmness made angry people angrier so you should arc up a bit. But fuck that. Why should I spoil my own mood because of this adult’s emotional issues? I’m not his dad.

He circled back later to yell again but by that time the security people had noticed him so he went inside the shopping centre. Hopefully he’ll get help at some point.

dv said:

Had a funny experience on the weekend. The boss lady and I went shopping, and when we got back to the car she realised she had to get something from another outlet, so I said I’d just wait for her in the car. I noticed that I’d parked slightly crooked, so I straightened up out of consideration for the adjacent parkers, and then turned the car off and attended to some emails.

After a minute I heard loud yelling and screaming, and a red-faced man came and yelled at me. I lowered the window, and he said, “What the fuck are you doing you faggot are you going or not I’ve been waiting…”

I said, “Yeah nah, I’m not.”

The dude changed colour a few times and increased volume and I was trying not to laugh at him. I was feeling a bit too Sundayish to give much of a shit.

Me: “I understand you’re disappointed but hey, shit happens right?”

Him: “Fucking Western Australian drivers you’re all fucking mad use your brain! What are you doing?”

Me: “Well, not leaving, so…”

Him: “Faggot arse cunt use your brain!”

Me: “Mate, mate … you need to calm down. “

He kept on, so I shook my head at him and just went back to my phone, didn’t bother winding the window up. He wandered away eventually and kept on yelling.

I remember a while back one of the buzzwords was “tone matching”: that calmness made angry people angrier so you should arc up a bit. But fuck that. Why should I spoil my own mood because of this adult’s emotional issues? I’m not his dad.

He circled back later to yell again but by that time the security people had noticed him so he went inside the shopping centre. Hopefully he’ll get help at some point.

I feel exactly the same after listening to ‘The Lark Ascending’.

dv said:

Had a funny experience on the weekend. The boss lady and I went shopping, and when we got back to the car she realised she had to get something from another outlet, so I said I’d just wait for her in the car. I noticed that I’d parked slightly crooked, so I straightened up out of consideration for the adjacent parkers, and then turned the car off and attended to some emails.

After a minute I heard loud yelling and screaming, and a red-faced man came and yelled at me. I lowered the window, and he said, “What the fuck are you doing you faggot are you going or not I’ve been waiting…”

I said, “Yeah nah, I’m not.”

The dude changed colour a few times and increased volume and I was trying not to laugh at him. I was feeling a bit too Sundayish to give much of a shit.

Me: “I understand you’re disappointed but hey, shit happens right?”

Him: “Fucking Western Australian drivers you’re all fucking mad use your brain! What are you doing?”

Me: “Well, not leaving, so…”

Him: “Faggot arse cunt use your brain!”

Me: “Mate, mate … you need to calm down. “

He kept on, so I shook my head at him and just went back to my phone, didn’t bother winding the window up. He wandered away eventually and kept on yelling.

I remember a while back one of the buzzwords was “tone matching”: that calmness made angry people angrier so you should arc up a bit. But fuck that. Why should I spoil my own mood because of this adult’s emotional issues? I’m not his dad.

He circled back later to yell again but by that time the security people had noticed him so he went inside the shopping centre. Hopefully he’ll get help at some point.

He was not in the top 100 best composed people.

dv said:

Had a funny experience on the weekend. The boss lady and I went shopping, and when we got back to the car she realised she had to get something from another outlet, so I said I’d just wait for her in the car. I noticed that I’d parked slightly crooked, so I straightened up out of consideration for the adjacent parkers, and then turned the car off and attended to some emails.

After a minute I heard loud yelling and screaming, and a red-faced man came and yelled at me. I lowered the window, and he said, “What the fuck are you doing you faggot are you going or not I’ve been waiting…”

I said, “Yeah nah, I’m not.”

The dude changed colour a few times and increased volume and I was trying not to laugh at him. I was feeling a bit too Sundayish to give much of a shit.

Me: “I understand you’re disappointed but hey, shit happens right?”

Him: “Fucking Western Australian drivers you’re all fucking mad use your brain! What are you doing?”

Me: “Well, not leaving, so…”

Him: “Faggot arse cunt use your brain!”

Me: “Mate, mate … you need to calm down. “

He kept on, so I shook my head at him and just went back to my phone, didn’t bother winding the window up. He wandered away eventually and kept on yelling.

I remember a while back one of the buzzwords was “tone matching”: that calmness made angry people angrier so you should arc up a bit. But fuck that. Why should I spoil my own mood because of this adult’s emotional issues? I’m not his dad.

He circled back later to yell again but by that time the security people had noticed him so he went inside the shopping centre. Hopefully he’ll get help at some point.

and was there background music?

(Something like that happened to me in NZ once. I was sitting in the drivers seat reading a newspaper and I accidentally hit the horn. And then a maori man came up to the window and yelled at me solidly for a couple of minutes in wat I presume was his native tongue.)

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Had a funny experience on the weekend. The boss lady and I went shopping, and when we got back to the car she realised she had to get something from another outlet, so I said I’d just wait for her in the car. I noticed that I’d parked slightly crooked, so I straightened up out of consideration for the adjacent parkers, and then turned the car off and attended to some emails.

After a minute I heard loud yelling and screaming, and a red-faced man came and yelled at me. I lowered the window, and he said, “What the fuck are you doing you faggot are you going or not I’ve been waiting…”

I said, “Yeah nah, I’m not.”

The dude changed colour a few times and increased volume and I was trying not to laugh at him. I was feeling a bit too Sundayish to give much of a shit.

Me: “I understand you’re disappointed but hey, shit happens right?”

Him: “Fucking Western Australian drivers you’re all fucking mad use your brain! What are you doing?”

Me: “Well, not leaving, so…”

Him: “Faggot arse cunt use your brain!”

Me: “Mate, mate … you need to calm down. “

He kept on, so I shook my head at him and just went back to my phone, didn’t bother winding the window up. He wandered away eventually and kept on yelling.

I remember a while back one of the buzzwords was “tone matching”: that calmness made angry people angrier so you should arc up a bit. But fuck that. Why should I spoil my own mood because of this adult’s emotional issues? I’m not his dad.

He circled back later to yell again but by that time the security people had noticed him so he went inside the shopping centre. Hopefully he’ll get help at some point.

and was there background music?

(Something like that happened to me in NZ once. I was sitting in the drivers seat reading a newspaper and I accidentally hit the horn. And then a maori man came up to the window and yelled at me solidly for a couple of minutes in wat I presume was his native tongue.)

People are strange.

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

Had a funny experience on the weekend. The boss lady and I went shopping, and when we got back to the car she realised she had to get something from another outlet, so I said I’d just wait for her in the car. I noticed that I’d parked slightly crooked, so I straightened up out of consideration for the adjacent parkers, and then turned the car off and attended to some emails.

After a minute I heard loud yelling and screaming, and a red-faced man came and yelled at me. I lowered the window, and he said, “What the fuck are you doing you faggot are you going or not I’ve been waiting…”

I said, “Yeah nah, I’m not.”

The dude changed colour a few times and increased volume and I was trying not to laugh at him. I was feeling a bit too Sundayish to give much of a shit.

Me: “I understand you’re disappointed but hey, shit happens right?”

Him: “Fucking Western Australian drivers you’re all fucking mad use your brain! What are you doing?”

Me: “Well, not leaving, so…”

Him: “Faggot arse cunt use your brain!”

Me: “Mate, mate … you need to calm down. “

He kept on, so I shook my head at him and just went back to my phone, didn’t bother winding the window up. He wandered away eventually and kept on yelling.

I remember a while back one of the buzzwords was “tone matching”: that calmness made angry people angrier so you should arc up a bit. But fuck that. Why should I spoil my own mood because of this adult’s emotional issues? I’m not his dad.

He circled back later to yell again but by that time the security people had noticed him so he went inside the shopping centre. Hopefully he’ll get help at some point.

and was there background music?

(Something like that happened to me in NZ once. I was sitting in the drivers seat reading a newspaper and I accidentally hit the horn. And then a maori man came up to the window and yelled at me solidly for a couple of minutes in wat I presume was his native tongue.)

People are strange.

I’d almost forgotten that. I remember being really afraid for a while there.

sarahs mum said:

roughbarked said:

sarahs mum said:

and was there background music?

(Something like that happened to me in NZ once. I was sitting in the drivers seat reading a newspaper and I accidentally hit the horn. And then a maori man came up to the window and yelled at me solidly for a couple of minutes in wat I presume was his native tongue.)

People are strange.

I’d almost forgotten that. I remember being really afraid for a while there.

It is cnfronting.

dv said:

Had a funny experience on the weekend. The boss lady and I went shopping, and when we got back to the car she realised she had to get something from another outlet, so I said I’d just wait for her in the car. I noticed that I’d parked slightly crooked, so I straightened up out of consideration for the adjacent parkers, and then turned the car off and attended to some emails.

After a minute I heard loud yelling and screaming, and a red-faced man came and yelled at me. I lowered the window, and he said, “What the fuck are you doing you faggot are you going or not I’ve been waiting…”

I said, “Yeah nah, I’m not.”

The dude changed colour a few times and increased volume and I was trying not to laugh at him. I was feeling a bit too Sundayish to give much of a shit.

Me: “I understand you’re disappointed but hey, shit happens right?”

Him: “Fucking Western Australian drivers you’re all fucking mad use your brain! What are you doing?”

Me: “Well, not leaving, so…”

Him: “Faggot arse cunt use your brain!”

Me: “Mate, mate … you need to calm down. “

He kept on, so I shook my head at him and just went back to my phone, didn’t bother winding the window up. He wandered away eventually and kept on yelling.

I remember a while back one of the buzzwords was “tone matching”: that calmness made angry people angrier so you should arc up a bit. But fuck that. Why should I spoil my own mood because of this adult’s emotional issues? I’m not his dad.

He circled back later to yell again but by that time the security people had noticed him so he went inside the shopping centre. Hopefully he’ll get help at some point.

I just get out of the car. people usually quieten down.

ChrispenEvan said:

dv said:

Had a funny experience on the weekend. The boss lady and I went shopping, and when we got back to the car she realised she had to get something from another outlet, so I said I’d just wait for her in the car. I noticed that I’d parked slightly crooked, so I straightened up out of consideration for the adjacent parkers, and then turned the car off and attended to some emails.

After a minute I heard loud yelling and screaming, and a red-faced man came and yelled at me. I lowered the window, and he said, “What the fuck are you doing you faggot are you going or not I’ve been waiting…”

I said, “Yeah nah, I’m not.”

The dude changed colour a few times and increased volume and I was trying not to laugh at him. I was feeling a bit too Sundayish to give much of a shit.

Me: “I understand you’re disappointed but hey, shit happens right?”

Him: “Fucking Western Australian drivers you’re all fucking mad use your brain! What are you doing?”

Me: “Well, not leaving, so…”

Him: “Faggot arse cunt use your brain!”

Me: “Mate, mate … you need to calm down. “

He kept on, so I shook my head at him and just went back to my phone, didn’t bother winding the window up. He wandered away eventually and kept on yelling.

I remember a while back one of the buzzwords was “tone matching”: that calmness made angry people angrier so you should arc up a bit. But fuck that. Why should I spoil my own mood because of this adult’s emotional issues? I’m not his dad.

He circled back later to yell again but by that time the security people had noticed him so he went inside the shopping centre. Hopefully he’ll get help at some point.

I just get out of the car. people usually quieten down.

Built like Mr T?

I think Boris has about 20 cm of height on Mr T.

dv said:

I think Boris has about 20 cm of height on Mr T.

:)

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I think Boris has about 20 cm of height on Mr T.

:)

Mr T is 67 years old now, and would qualify for the aged pension.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I think Boris has about 20 cm of height on Mr T.

:)

Mr T is 67 years old now, and would qualify for the aged pension.

I’m there too.

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

dv said:

I think Boris has about 20 cm of height on Mr T.

:)

Mr T is 67 years old now, and would qualify for the aged pension.

I suspect that he would not qualify for the aged pension, due to income and property criteria.

dv said:

party_pants said:

roughbarked said:

:)

Mr T is 67 years old now, and would qualify for the aged pension.

I suspect that he would not qualify for the aged pension, due to income and property criteria.

OK

btm said:

sibeen said:

dv said:

I don’t think we’d call those people idiots …

Surely there’s some who would take that stance?

I’m one of them. I’ve always found Wolfie’s compositions shallow and vacuous, like the pop music of his day.

Some people do. I’m not one of them. Mozart’s pieces are an absolute devil to play properly. When played properly they have a beauty that is not surpassed by even the best Beethoven.

Modern pianos aren’t really “pianos”, because they can only play “forte”, they can’t play soft. And I blame Beethoven for that. Pieces like his “hammerklavier” literally destroy musical instruments, unless those instruments are made really really strong. And to make pianos strong enough to play Beethoven, they become unable to capture the finest nuances of Mozart. I call a Kawai a “bashing piano”.

I’m not a fan of Beethoven’s ninth, or Mozart’s 41 for that matter. I prefer Beethoven’s Pastorale and Mozart’s 40. All that “tortured soul” stuff is not for me.

Mozart did write a lot of rubbish, but nowhere near as much rubbish as Bach. And even Mozart’s worst is better than Bach’s worst.

Mozart had a fantastic sense of humour. Beethoven and Bach didn’t, to nearly the same extent.

mollwollfumble said:

btm said:

sibeen said:

Surely there’s some who would take that stance?

I’m one of them. I’ve always found Wolfie’s compositions shallow and vacuous, like the pop music of his day.

Some people do. I’m not one of them. Mozart’s pieces are an absolute devil to play properly. When played properly they have a beauty that is not surpassed by even the best Beethoven.

Modern pianos aren’t really “pianos”, because they can only play “forte”, they can’t play soft. And I blame Beethoven for that. Pieces like his “hammerklavier” literally destroy musical instruments, unless those instruments are made really really strong. And to make pianos strong enough to play Beethoven, they become unable to capture the finest nuances of Mozart. I call a Kawai a “bashing piano”.

I’m not a fan of Beethoven’s ninth, or Mozart’s 41 for that matter. I prefer Beethoven’s Pastorale and Mozart’s 40. All that “tortured soul” stuff is not for me.

Mozart did write a lot of rubbish, but nowhere near as much rubbish as Bach. And even Mozart’s worst is better than Bach’s worst.

Mozart had a fantastic sense of humour. Beethoven and Bach didn’t, to nearly the same extent.

Doesn’t really matter to me. I don’t listen to Mozart. He was the purple rainer of his day. Can’t stand the person who used to be called Prince either.

Beethoven was going deaf when he pounded the piano but that didn’t stop him from writing some real music.

Franz List leaves Mozart for dead.

Is Mussorsgky on the list?

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

btm said:

I’m one of them. I’ve always found Wolfie’s compositions shallow and vacuous, like the pop music of his day.

Some people do. I’m not one of them. Mozart’s pieces are an absolute devil to play properly. When played properly they have a beauty that is not surpassed by even the best Beethoven.

Modern pianos aren’t really “pianos”, because they can only play “forte”, they can’t play soft. And I blame Beethoven for that. Pieces like his “hammerklavier” literally destroy musical instruments, unless those instruments are made really really strong. And to make pianos strong enough to play Beethoven, they become unable to capture the finest nuances of Mozart. I call a Kawai a “bashing piano”.

I’m not a fan of Beethoven’s ninth, or Mozart’s 41 for that matter. I prefer Beethoven’s Pastorale and Mozart’s 40. All that “tortured soul” stuff is not for me.

Mozart did write a lot of rubbish, but nowhere near as much rubbish as Bach. And even Mozart’s worst is better than Bach’s worst.

Mozart had a fantastic sense of humour. Beethoven and Bach didn’t, to nearly the same extent.

Doesn’t really matter to me. I don’t listen to Mozart. He was the purple rainer of his day. Can’t stand the person who used to be called Prince either.

Beethoven was going deaf when he pounded the piano but that didn’t stop him from writing some real music.

Franz List leaves Mozart for dead.

Is Mussorsgky on the list?

Modest Mussorgsky is on the list.

Sculthorpe should be way down in the bottom 50, not up at number 18. I had to play a Sculthorpe for a music exam, but didn’t like it. It was only recently when listening to a piece by an unknown spanish composer that i realised that Sculthorpe was plagiarising him, and the Spanish composer’s piece made sense as a painting of a scene whereas Sculthorpe was just random noise in the same style.

Bubblecar said:

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

I don’t know about demeaning, but I do think it’s a shame that “classical” and “popular” music are so widely treated as two separate things, with virtually no overlap.

To be fair to the ABC, the fm Music Show does the opposite of that. There should be more like it.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

I don’t know about demeaning, but I do think it’s a shame that “classical” and “popular” music are so widely treated as two separate things, with virtually no overlap.

To be fair to the ABC, the fm Music Show does the opposite of that. There should be more like it.

You’d prefer some van Bingen mixed in with your Billie Eilish?

poikilotherm said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

I don’t know about demeaning, but I do think it’s a shame that “classical” and “popular” music are so widely treated as two separate things, with virtually no overlap.

To be fair to the ABC, the fm Music Show does the opposite of that. There should be more like it.

You’d prefer some van Bingen mixed in with your Billie Eilish?

Binges Billie Eillish.

Yeah, that sort of thing.

poikilotherm said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

I don’t know about demeaning, but I do think it’s a shame that “classical” and “popular” music are so widely treated as two separate things, with virtually no overlap.

To be fair to the ABC, the fm Music Show does the opposite of that. There should be more like it.

You’d prefer some van Bingen mixed in with your Billie Eilish?

As for abc popularity polls, three days running i had to listen to the same awful didgeriedo concerto, which i quickly concluded was the worst piece of classical music ever written. I gathered that some few people were skewing the popularity polls to put it high on the list.

As for classical vs popular. I split it up into instrumental + a capella + shouting in tune. I’m quite happy not to listen to any “shouting in tune” music. Mrs m has some awful shouting in tune opera on right now. She’s switched off 3mbs onto abc again.

Oops, can’t switch it off. It’s Mozart’s marriage of figaro.

dv said:

Actually, I object. I don’t think 11th century music can be considered Classical music even by the most generous definitions.

So who is with me? It’s a scam.

dv said:

dv said:

Actually, I object. I don’t think 11th century music can be considered Classical music even by the most generous definitions.

So who is with me? It’s a scam.

There isn’t any 11th century music?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

I don’t know about demeaning, but I do think it’s a shame that “classical” and “popular” music are so widely treated as two separate things, with virtually no overlap.

To be fair to the ABC, the fm Music Show does the opposite of that. There should be more like it.

Some comments.

Every bodies classical top 100 would be different to each other.

127,971 votes , but no listing for number of voters.

A different set of people would equal a different set of results.

dv said:

dv said:

Actually, I object. I don’t think 11th century music can be considered Classical music even by the most generous definitions.

So who is with me? It’s a scam.

Early music period.

mollwollfumble said:

dv said:

dv said:

Actually, I object. I don’t think 11th century music can be considered Classical music even by the most generous definitions.

So who is with me? It’s a scam.

There isn’t any 11th century music?

There isn’t any 11th century Classical music.

dv said:

dv said:

Actually, I object. I don’t think 11th century music can be considered Classical music even by the most generous definitions.

So who is with me? It’s a scam.

Well obviously it doesn’t come within the classical definition of Classical music, but it probably comes within the widely used “anything that isn’t folk or pop” definition, which seems to be the applicable one used for this list.

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

dv said:

Actually, I object. I don’t think 11th century music can be considered Classical music even by the most generous definitions.

So who is with me? It’s a scam.

Early music period.

Medieval era 800 – 1425

Renaissance era 1400 – 1610

Baroque era 1600 – 1760

Classical era 1735 – 1825

Romantic era 1850 – 1950

20th century/modern/postmodern 1950 – 2010

21st century postmodern

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

dv said:

So who is with me? It’s a scam.

Early music period.

Medieval era 800 – 1425

Renaissance era 1400 – 1610

Baroque era 1600 – 1760

Classical era 1735 – 1825

Romantic era 1850 – 1950

20th century/modern/postmodern 1950 – 2010

21st century postmodern

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era

Thanks. Great list.

Not a composers name i recognise there before 1500.

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Early music period.

Medieval era 800 – 1425

Renaissance era 1400 – 1610

Baroque era 1600 – 1760

Classical era 1735 – 1825

Romantic era 1850 – 1950

20th century/modern/postmodern 1950 – 2010

21st century postmodern

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era

Thanks. Great list.

Not a composers name i recognise there before 1500.

Some of those dates look dodgy to me.

I’m pretty sure there is plenty of first half 20th Century music that is very non-romantic.

The Renaissance is generally said to start about 1300’ish.

And I didn’t know there was a non-musical period from 1825 to 1850.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Medieval era 800 – 1425

Renaissance era 1400 – 1610

Baroque era 1600 – 1760

Classical era 1735 – 1825

Romantic era 1850 – 1950

20th century/modern/postmodern 1950 – 2010

21st century postmodern

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era

Thanks. Great list.

Not a composers name i recognise there before 1500.

Some of those dates look dodgy to me.

I’m pretty sure there is plenty of first half 20th Century music that is very non-romantic.

The Renaissance is generally said to start about 1300’ish.

And I didn’t know there was a non-musical period from 1825 to 1850.

> And I didn’t know there was a non-musical period from 1825 to 1850.

Well spotted LOL.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Medieval era 800 – 1425

Renaissance era 1400 – 1610

Baroque era 1600 – 1760

Classical era 1735 – 1825

Romantic era 1850 – 1950

20th century/modern/postmodern 1950 – 2010

21st century postmodern

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_music_composers_by_era

Thanks. Great list.

Not a composers name i recognise there before 1500.

Some of those dates look dodgy to me.

I’m pretty sure there is plenty of first half 20th Century music that is very non-romantic.

The Renaissance is generally said to start about 1300’ish.

And I didn’t know there was a non-musical period from 1825 to 1850.

That could be my typo, typing with one hand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_music

This list gives more detailed information

Timeline

The major time divisions of Western art music are as follows:

Ancient music period, before 500 AD
Early music period, which includes
Medieval era (500–1400) including
Ars antiqua (1170–1310)
Ars nova (1310–1377)
Ars subtilior (1360–1420)
Renaissance era (1400–1600) eras
Common-practice period, which includes
Baroque era (1600–1750)
Galant music era (1720s–1770s)
Classical era (1750–1820)
Romantic era (c.1780–1910)
20th and 21st centuries (1901–present) which includes:
Modernist era (1890–1950) that overlaps from the late-19th century
Impressionism (1890–1925) that also overlaps from the late-19th century
Expressionism (1908–1925)
Neoclassicism (1920–1950), predominantly in the inter-war period
Postmodern era/Contemporary (1930–present)
Experimental (1950–present)
Minimalism (1965–present)

I call a Kawai a “bashing piano”.

—

Wot rot.

> Baroque era (1600–1750)
Galant music era (1720s–1770s)
Classical era (1750–1820)
Romantic era (c.1780–1910)

That could explain why there’s very little classical music i like after 1910.

If i leave aside the crossover composers such as Gershwin and Bernstein and more recent composers who wrote both classical and popular, there’s not much there. I think the talkies killed it off.

In my youth i used to like Shostakovich, but don’t like anything he wrote any more. I can’t stand Glass, Sculthorpe is just a bad joke imho, can’t stand Messien, William Barton yuk.

Perhaps there has been a classical revival lately, i do like John Williams and Carl Vine. But that’s mostly 1980s onward. And film music, not music for listening to.

Khachaturian is in the middle, composing 1942, 1954. For ballet.

Benjamin Britten 1945. Peter Grimes and Young persons guide to the orchestra.

Copland wrote “Fanfare for the common man” in 1942.

So classical music died about 1910, had a brief revival in 1942 to 1945, and then came back in movie scores from about 1980 onwards.

Would that be about right?

26 Arvo Pärt – the chior has sung some of his

I hadn’t realised. Arvo Part invented new age music.

After about 15 minutes his music does tend to get boring.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Bubblecar said:

I pay no attention to the ABC’s obsession with classical music popularity polls. I find it demeaning.

I don’t know about demeaning, but I do think it’s a shame that “classical” and “popular” music are so widely treated as two separate things, with virtually no overlap.

To be fair to the ABC, the fm Music Show does the opposite of that. There should be more like it.

Everyone’s personnel aesthetic is different.

It’s interesting to see an overall aesthetic.

It would be different if everybody contributed to it.

> Everyone’s personnel aesthetic is different.

I actually dispute that.

I think the difference in personal ranking is just due to the precise definition of the word “better”, because it’s multidimensional, and experience.

mollwollfumble said:

> Everyone’s personnel aesthetic is different.

I actually dispute that.

I think the difference in personal ranking is just due to the precise definition of the word “better”, because it’s multidimensional, and experience.

I can’t see how it is disputable.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Everyone’s personnel aesthetic is different.

I actually dispute that.

I think the difference in personal ranking is just due to the precise definition of the word “better”, because it’s multidimensional, and experience.

I can’t see how it is disputable.

Better plays a part in aesthetics as comparisons can be made as to which art looks better certainly drawing upon experience

but everyone has different experience and understandings of concepts.

Tau.Neutrino said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

> Everyone’s personnel aesthetic is different.

I actually dispute that.

I think the difference in personal ranking is just due to the precise definition of the word “better”, because it’s multidimensional, and experience.

I can’t see how it is disputable.

Better plays a part in aesthetics as comparisons can be made as to which art looks better certainly drawing upon experience

but everyone has different experience and understandings of concepts.

it still comes back to square one

> Everyone’s personnel aesthetic is different.

Take this musical example from above

This choral piece by Gregorio Allegri

Miserere Mei Deus (Allegri) – King’s College Choir, Cambridge

Most would agree that its musical aesthetic is beautiful.

But some who might only listen to heavy metal might dislike it

This is because of different personal experience and someone’s different understandings of concepts

Education gaps and many others

In the case of music sounds better by comparison is easy

just listen to different covers of a favourite song

you soon realise which sounds better

but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

this happens across all arts.

For people going to listen to an orchestra

En masse they have a general aesthetic based upon past performances of the same orchestra or of different orchestras

This creates discussion over its performance via the method of better by comparison

Tau.Neutrino said:

In the case of music sounds better by comparison is easy

just listen to different covers of a favourite song

you soon realise which sounds better

but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

this happens across all arts.

I’m still working on the top 100 classical composers. By allocating to each composer their most famous accessible (but not kiddie) piece of music. Eg. Mozart’s “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik” not “Requiem”. Beethoven’s “Moonlight sonata” not “5th symphony”. You get my drift.

> but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

But would they agree when playing the same cover four times in succession? I think they might.

For top classical composers and top classical pieces of music, perhaps a good place to start is https://www.talkclassical.com/classical-music-discussion-polls/

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

In the case of music sounds better by comparison is easy

just listen to different covers of a favourite song

you soon realise which sounds better

but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

this happens across all arts.

I’m still working on the top 100 classical composers. By allocating to each composer their most famous accessible (but not kiddie) piece of music. Eg. Mozart’s “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik” not “Requiem”. Beethoven’s “Moonlight sonata” not “5th symphony”. You get my drift.

> but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

But would they agree when playing the same cover four times in succession? I think they might.

For top classical composers and top classical pieces of music, perhaps a good place to start is https://www.talkclassical.com/classical-music-discussion-polls/

Very location dependent. Hard to find a quiet corner of a lift.

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

In the case of music sounds better by comparison is easy

just listen to different covers of a favourite song

you soon realise which sounds better

but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

this happens across all arts.

I’m still working on the top 100 classical composers. By allocating to each composer their most famous accessible (but not kiddie) piece of music. Eg. Mozart’s “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik” not “Requiem”. Beethoven’s “Moonlight sonata” not “5th symphony”. You get my drift.

> but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

But would they agree when playing the same cover four times in succession? I think they might.

For top classical composers and top classical pieces of music, perhaps a good place to start is https://www.talkclassical.com/classical-music-discussion-polls/

Very location dependent. Hard to find a quiet corner of a lift.

Wireless, noise cancelling decent phones makes music listening a pleasure you can concentrate on it and hear all the nuances

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m still working on the top 100 classical composers. By allocating to each composer their most famous accessible (but not kiddie) piece of music. Eg. Mozart’s “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik” not “Requiem”. Beethoven’s “Moonlight sonata” not “5th symphony”. You get my drift.

> but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

But would they agree when playing the same cover four times in succession? I think they might.

For top classical composers and top classical pieces of music, perhaps a good place to start is https://www.talkclassical.com/classical-music-discussion-polls/

Very location dependent. Hard to find a quiet corner of a lift.

Wireless, noise cancelling decent phones makes music listening a pleasure you can concentrate on it and hear all the nuances

Headphones

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

I’m still working on the top 100 classical composers. By allocating to each composer their most famous accessible (but not kiddie) piece of music. Eg. Mozart’s “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik” not “Requiem”. Beethoven’s “Moonlight sonata” not “5th symphony”. You get my drift.

> but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

But would they agree when playing the same cover four times in succession? I think they might.

For top classical composers and top classical pieces of music, perhaps a good place to start is https://www.talkclassical.com/classical-music-discussion-polls/

Very location dependent. Hard to find a quiet corner of a lift.

Wireless, noise cancelling decent phones makes music listening a pleasure you can concentrate on it and hear all the nuances

Yes, Sennheiser RS 185 Headphones are highly recommended.

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Tamb said:

Very location dependent. Hard to find a quiet corner of a lift.

Wireless, noise cancelling decent phones makes music listening a pleasure you can concentrate on it and hear all the nuances

Yes, Sennheiser RS 185 Headphones are highly recommended.

I have the Sony WH-1000XM3 and they are fantastic, top reviews everywhere

Tamb said:

mollwollfumble said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

In the case of music sounds better by comparison is easy

just listen to different covers of a favourite song

you soon realise which sounds better

but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

this happens across all arts.

I’m still working on the top 100 classical composers.

> but to someone else they may prefer another cover by comparison

But would they agree when playing the same cover four times in succession? I think they might.

For top classical composers and top classical pieces of music, perhaps a good place to start is https://www.talkclassical.com/classical-music-discussion-polls/

Very location dependent. Hard to find a quiet corner of a lift.

I have in mind an empty room, locked, without anything else in the room to take your mind off the music.

eg. from talkclassical. https://www.talkclassical.com/8228-another-top-50-composers.html

I’m breaking it down by nationality- most-to-least.

First (12 entries)- Germany:
CPE Bach
JS Bach
Beethoven
Brahms
Gluck
Handel
Hildegard von Bingen
Mendelssohn
Schumann
Telemann
Wagner
Weber

Hildegard gets another moment in the sun. The glaring omission, of course, is Richard Strauss.

Now, does anyone have any guesses for the next nation on the list? What would you say?? What do you think???

How about France (11 entries)-
Berlioz
Debussy
pretty much appear on all lists of this nature. O.K.- another nine names await. Any more guesses? Maybe Saint-Saëns (definitely a ‘Classic FM’ favorite)? How about Ravel?? Perhaps give Bizet some credit for Carmen’s Magellanic journey? Possibly Franck? In an experimental mood? One of Les Six or Satie?
No. Let the Early Music Soil-Fiesta begin!
Binchois (who?)
Couperin
Du Fay
Josquin des Prez
Léonin
Lully
Machaut
Rameau
and the person whom they apparently regard as the greatest living composer-
Boulez.

Now that we see which way the (chronological) wind is blowing, it shouldn’t be surprising to find the Italians ranking next, with nine names, and Puccini sidestepped-
Boccherini
Corelli
Monteverdi
Paganini
Palestrina
Rossini
D. Scarlatti
Verdi
Vivaldi

Next up, Austria (6 entries)-
Haydn
Hummel (?)
Mahler
Mozart
Schoenberg
Schubert
Some names conspicuous by their absence, none moreso than Bruckner.

When will we get to the Russians? Not yet- make way for England (5)-
Britten
Dowland
Purcell
Tallis
Vaghan-Williams
Suppose ‘Classic FM’ couldn’t have left off ‘Raif,’ but Dowland? If a song-writer was sought, couldn’t room have been made for another Austrian, Hugo Wolf, who wrote more memorable ones in a lifespan that was nearly a quarter-century less than J.D.‘s?? Oh, yeah- we found a way to leave off Elgar, too…

Ready for Russia, now?! They rate a trio-
Shostakovich
Stravinsky
Tchaikovsky
Do they have more resentment towards the Russians than Ed Snider & Bobby Clarke, or what?

Four names left-
Liszt & Bartók (from Hungary)
Chopin (from Poland), and
L. Bernstein- USA

(PS. see what I mean about downrating Elgar, and Australian classical composers).

Hello, this is directly relevant for the OP.

https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic100/archive/

The Classic 100 is ABC Classic’s annual poll of Australia’s favourite classical music. Since 2001, we’ve asked you about the music you love.

This is the original ABC top 100 list from the year 2001. https://www.abc.net.au/classic/classic100/archive/search/?year=2001-original

1 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Clarinet Concerto in A major, K. 622
2 Vaughan Williams, Ralph The Lark Ascending
3 Beethoven, Ludwig van Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Op. 125, ‘Choral’
4 Beethoven, Ludwig van Piano Concerto No. 5 in E flat major, Op. 73, ‘Emperor’
5 Beethoven, Ludwig van Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 71
6 Beethoven, Ludwig van Symphony No. 6 in F major, Op. 68, ‘Pastoral’
7 Bizet, Georges The Pearl Fishers: ‘Au fond du temple saint’
8 Handel, George Frideric Messiah HWV 56
9 Allegri, Gregorio Miserere
10 Strauss, Richard Four Last Songs
11 Bach, Johann Sebastian Cantata BWV 147, ‘Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben’: X. Jesu Joy of Man’s Desiring
12 Bach, Johann Sebastian St Matthew Passion, BWV 244
13 Rachmaninov, Sergei Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Op. 18
14 Bruch, Max Violin Concerto No. 1 in G minor, Op. 26
15 Fauré, Gabriel Requiem in D minor, Op. 48
16 Vivaldi, Antonio The Four Seasons
17 Schubert, Franz Notturno in E flat major, Op. 148 (D. 897)
18 Schubert, Franz Piano Quintet in A major, D. 667 ‘Trout’
19 Elgar, Edward Cello Concerto in E minor, Op. 85
20 Bach, Johann Sebastian Suites for Solo Cello, BWV 1007-1012
21 Rodrigo, Joaquín Concierto de Aranjuez
22 Bach, Johann Sebastian Brandenburg Concertos
23 Pachelbel, Johann Canon and Gigue in D major
24 Elgar, Edward Enigma Variations, Op. 36
25 Vaughan Williams, Ralph Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
26 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Piano Concerto No. 23 in A major, K. 488
27 Beethoven, Ludwig van Piano Sonata No. 14 in C sharp minor, Op. 27/2, ‘Moonlight’
28 Schubert, Franz String Quintet in C major, D. 956, Op. posth. 163
29 Bach, Johann Sebastian Mass in B minor, BWV 232
30 Mascagni, Pietro Cavalleria rusticana: Intermezzo
31 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Piano Concerto No. 21 in C major, K. 467 ‘Elvira Madigan’
32 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Requiem for soloists, chorus and orchestra, K. 626
33 Puccini, Giacomo La bohème
34 Bach, Johann Sebastian Orchestral Suite No. 3 in D major, BWV 1068: II. Air
35 Bach, Johann Sebastian Concerto for 2 Violins, Strings and Continuo in D Minor, BWV 1043
36 Barber, Samuel Adagio for Strings
37 Verdi, Giuseppe Nabucco: ‘Va, pensiero’
38 Puccini, Giacomo Madama Butterfly
39 Massenet, Jules Thaïs: Meditation
40 Beethoven, Ludwig van Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, Op. 55 ‘Eroica’
41 Schubert, Franz An die Musik
42 Beethoven, Ludwig van Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67
43 Mahler, Gustav Symphony No. 5 in Csharp minor
44 Verdi, Giuseppe Requiem
45 Saint-Saëns, Camille Symphony No. 3 in C minor, Op. 78 ‘Organ Symphony’
46 Gluck, Christoph Willibald Orfeo ed Euridice: ‘Che farò senza Euridice?’
47 Wagner, Richard Tristan und Isolde: Liebestod
48 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Serenade No. 13 in G major, KV525 ‘Eine kleine Nachtmusik’
49 Holst, Gustav The Planets Op. 32
50 Saint-Saëns, Camille The Carnival of Animals: XIII. The Swan
51 Rachmaninov, Sergei Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini, Op. 43
52 Dvořák, Antonín Symphony No. 9 in E minor, Op. 95 B. 178, ‘From the New World’
53 Handel, George Frideric Serse, HWV 40: ‘Ombra mai fu’
54 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus The Magic Flute
55 Dvořák, Antonín Rusalka: Act I. ‘Měsíčku na nebi hlubokém’
56 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus The Marriage of Figaro
57 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Ave verum Corpus, K. 618
58 Prokofiev, Sergei Romeo and Juliet
59 Elgar, Edward Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 in D major
60 Smetana, Bedřich Má vlast
61 Tchaikovsky, Pyotr Ilyich 1812 Overture
62 Mahler, Gustav Symphony No. 2 in C minor, ‘Resurrection’
63 Bach, Johann Sebastian Cantata BWV 78, ‘Jesu, der du meine Seele’
64 Litolff, Henry Concerto Symphonique No. 4 in D minor, Op. 102: II. Scherzo
65 Elgar, Edward Sea Pictures, Op. 37
66 Caccini, Giulio / Vavilov, Vladimir Ave Maria
67 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus The Marriage of Figaro
68 Grieg, Edvard Piano Concerto in A minor, Op. 16
69 Beethoven, Ludwig van Piano Trio No. 7 in B flat major, Op. 97, ‘Archduke’
70 Bach, Johann Sebastian Christmas Oratorio, BWV 248
71 Chopin, Frédéric Piano Concerto No. 1 in E minor, Op. 11
72 Bach, Johann Sebastian Violin Partita No. 2 in D minor, BWV 1004: V. Chaconne
73 Gershwin, George Rhapsody in Blue
74 Tchaikovsky, Pyotr Ilyich Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor, Op. 23
75 Verdi, Giuseppe La traviata
76 Mahler, Gustav Symphony No. 8 in E flat major
77 Schubert, Franz Impromptu No. 3 in G flat major, D. 899, Op. 90
78 Puccini, Giacomo Gianni Schicchi: ‘O mio babbino caro’
79 Bach, Johann Sebastian Toccata and Fugue in D minor, BWV 565
80 Beethoven, Ludwig van Symphony No. 7 in A major, Op. 92
81 Ravel, Maurice Boléro
82 Satie, Erik Trois Gymnopédies
83 Orff, Carl Carmina Burana
84 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Clarinet Quintet in A major, K. 581
85 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Cosi fan tutte: ‘Soave sia il vento’
86 Beethoven, Ludwig van Piano Sonata No. 8 in C minor, Op. 13, ‘Pathétique’
87 Beethoven, Ludwig van Piano Concerto No. 4 in G major, Op. 58
88 Bach, Johann Sebastian The Well-Tempered Clavier, BWV 846-893
89 Mendelssohn, Felix Violin Concerto in E minor, Op. 64
90 Sibelius, Jean Finlandia
91 Tchaikovsky, Pyotr Ilyich Violin Concerto in D major, Op. 35
92 Purcell, Henry Dido and Aeneas: ‘Thy hand, Belinda…When I am laid in earth’
93 Debussy, Claude Suite bergamasque: III. Clair de lune
94 Albinoni, Tomaso / Giazzotto, Remo Adagio in G minor for organ and strings
95 Handel, George Frideric Zadok the Priest HWV 258
96 Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Piano Concerto No. 20 in D minor, K. 466
97 Stravinsky, Igor The Rite of Spring
98 Grieg, Edvard Suite from Peer Gynt No. 1, Op. 46: I. Morning Mood
99 Khachaturian, Aram Spartacus
100 Fauré, Gabriel Cantique de Jean Racine, Op. 11

So, what’s the most recent of those?

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

Cymek said:

Wireless, noise cancelling decent phones makes music listening a pleasure you can concentrate on it and hear all the nuances

Yes, Sennheiser RS 185 Headphones are highly recommended.

I have the Sony WH-1000XM3 and they are fantastic, top reviews everywhere

I’m a purist, no noise cancellation.

The ideal music room would be very quiet, vibration proof, sound proofed and radio RF shielded as well

• I’m a purist

What does that mean, in regards to music?

You don’t listen to MP3’s, only listen to physical recordings?
You don’t listen to CD’s, only listen to vinyl?
Don’t listen to recordings, only listen to live music?
Only listen to acoustic live music?
Only listen to unamplified music live, on self made acoustic instruments, by self taught players, playing original compositions, in a natural amphitheatre?

furious said:

• I’m a purist

What does that mean, in regards to music?

You don’t listen to MP3’s, only listen to physical recordings?
You don’t listen to CD’s, only listen to vinyl?
Don’t listen to recordings, only listen to live music?
Only listen to acoustic live music?
Only listen to unamplified music live, on self made acoustic instruments, by self taught players, playing original compositions, in a natural amphitheatre?

Decent MP3 320 kbps are good you may sacrifice some sound quality possibly hard to tell anyway, but you can fit so much music on a tiny device.

furious said:

• I’m a purist

What does that mean, in regards to music?

You don’t listen to MP3’s, only listen to physical recordings?
You don’t listen to CD’s, only listen to vinyl?
Don’t listen to recordings, only listen to live music?
Only listen to acoustic live music?
Only listen to unamplified music live, on self made acoustic instruments, by self taught players, playing original compositions, in a natural amphitheatre?

Getting the best sound from all those possibilities.

Nothing beats live music in a room designed for it or a well designed outdoor venue.

Youtube could have better recordings, no compression, loudness wars and normalisation all add distortion.

They have high definition available on some selected music

Things will hopefully get better.

Less coughing in classical recordings would be good.

Some orchestras are allowing for coughing breaks during recording

I have in mind an empty room, locked, without anything else in the room to take your mind off the music.

—

How about a comfy chair?

Tau.Neutrino said:

furious said:

• I’m a purist

What does that mean, in regards to music?

You don’t listen to MP3’s, only listen to physical recordings?
You don’t listen to CD’s, only listen to vinyl?
Don’t listen to recordings, only listen to live music?
Only listen to acoustic live music?
Only listen to unamplified music live, on self made acoustic instruments, by self taught players, playing original compositions, in a natural amphitheatre?

Getting the best sound from all those possibilities.

Nothing beats live music in a room designed for it or a well designed outdoor venue.

Youtube could have better recordings, no compression, loudness wars and normalisation all add distortion.

They have high definition available on some selected music

Things will hopefully get better.

Less coughing in classical recordings would be good.

Some orchestras are allowing for coughing breaks during recording

As storage capacity gets better MP3 might be replaced with FLAC files

Cymek said:

Tau.Neutrino said:

furious said:

• I’m a purist

What does that mean, in regards to music?

You don’t listen to MP3’s, only listen to physical recordings?
You don’t listen to CD’s, only listen to vinyl?
Don’t listen to recordings, only listen to live music?
Only listen to acoustic live music?
Only listen to unamplified music live, on self made acoustic instruments, by self taught players, playing original compositions, in a natural amphitheatre?

Getting the best sound from all those possibilities.

Nothing beats live music in a room designed for it or a well designed outdoor venue.

Youtube could have better recordings, no compression, loudness wars and normalisation all add distortion.

They have high definition available on some selected music

Things will hopefully get better.

Less coughing in classical recordings would be good.

Some orchestras are allowing for coughing breaks during recording

As storage capacity gets better MP3 might be replaced with FLAC files

Yes, one day mp3s will be a thing of the past.