The money is gone so we won’t be getting that back. It has been used to destroy habitat everywhere that it hadn’t been destroyed before.
The landscape has been altered. Catchments, flood plains and natural drainage patterns changed forever.

Mine was one of the voices ignored whilst the MDB scheme was shamelessly raped and pillaged beyond redemption.

However, here we are where our rivers will no longer flow.

roughbarked said:

The money is gone so we won’t be getting that back. It has been used to destroy habitat everywhere that it hadn’t been destroyed before.
The landscape has been altered. Catchments, flood plains and natural drainage patterns changed forever.

Mine was one of the voices ignored whilst the MDB scheme was shamelessly raped and pillaged beyond redemption.

However, here we are where our rivers will no longer flow.

Perhaps not in our lifetimes but in the longer term I remain optimistic.

Monbiot says 3.5% of the population should revolt.

roughbarked said:

The money is gone so we won’t be getting that back. It has been used to destroy habitat everywhere that it hadn’t been destroyed before.
The landscape has been altered. Catchments, flood plains and natural drainage patterns changed forever.

Mine was one of the voices ignored whilst the MDB scheme was shamelessly raped and pillaged beyond redemption.

However, here we are where our rivers will no longer flow.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

The needs of the rich outweigh the needs of the many.

I gave up trying to follow the MDB debate long ago.

sarahs mum said:

Monbiot says 3.5% of the population should revolt.

Would that be enough?

Peak Warming Man said:

I gave up trying to follow the MDB debate long ago.

:(

Peak Warming Man said:

I gave up trying to follow the MDB debate long ago.

My ambition in life is never to get involved in MDB water politics.

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I gave up trying to follow the MDB debate long ago.

:(

It’s a horrible mess of state and federal jurisdictions and existing commercial agreements.

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Monbiot says 3.5% of the population should revolt.

Would that be enough?

Lost the article. I think it was the Guardian.

AwesomeO said:

sarahs mum said:

Peak Warming Man said:

I gave up trying to follow the MDB debate long ago.

:(

It’s a horrible mess of state and federal jurisdictions and existing commercial agreements.

The luck has run out of the bottom of the half full cup.

sarahs mum said:

dv said:

sarahs mum said:

Monbiot says 3.5% of the population should revolt.

Would that be enough?

Lost the article. I think it was the Guardian.

Monbiot had a position on the MDB?

dv said:

roughbarked said:

The money is gone so we won’t be getting that back. It has been used to destroy habitat everywhere that it hadn’t been destroyed before.
The landscape has been altered. Catchments, flood plains and natural drainage patterns changed forever.

Mine was one of the voices ignored whilst the MDB scheme was shamelessly raped and pillaged beyond redemption.

However, here we are where our rivers will no longer flow.

Perhaps not in our lifetimes but in the longer term I remain optimistic.

I admire your optimism but the lifetimes of our children and grandchildren will be our shameful legacy.

4 Corners in about 30 secs….

Ian said:

4 Corners in about 30 secs….

Pretty damning stuff.

roughbarked said:

The money is gone so we won’t be getting that back. It has been used to destroy habitat everywhere that it hadn’t been destroyed before.
The landscape has been altered. Catchments, flood plains and natural drainage patterns changed forever.

Mine was one of the voices ignored whilst the MDB scheme was shamelessly raped and pillaged beyond redemption.

However, here we are where our rivers will no longer flow.

What the hell are you talking about?

The only difference in water flow between now and the 1970s is that now the urban areas have ta

roughbarked said:

The money is gone so we won’t be getting that back. It has been used to destroy habitat everywhere that it hadn’t been destroyed before.
The landscape has been altered. Catchments, flood plains and natural drainage patterns changed forever.

Mine was one of the voices ignored whilst the MDB scheme was shamelessly raped and pillaged beyond redemption.

However, here we are where our rivers will no longer flow.

What the hell are you talking about?

The only difference in water flow between now and the 1970s is that now the urban areas have ta

sarahs mum said:

Monbiot says 3.5% of the population should revolt.

What’s a Monbiot?

How does it make that reckoning?

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Monbiot says 3.5% of the population should revolt.

What’s a Monbiot?

How does it make that reckoning?

George Monbiot is a British writer and environmentalist.

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/georgemonbiot

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

sarahs mum said:

Monbiot says 3.5% of the population should revolt.

What’s a Monbiot?

How does it make that reckoning?

George Monbiot is a British writer and environmentalist.

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/georgemonbiot

Never heard of him. But then I’m insular. Almost all my news comes from the ABC. Usually Just In.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

The money is gone so we won’t be getting that back. It has been used to destroy habitat everywhere that it hadn’t been destroyed before.
The landscape has been altered. Catchments, flood plains and natural drainage patterns changed forever.

Mine was one of the voices ignored whilst the MDB scheme was shamelessly raped and pillaged beyond redemption.

However, here we are where our rivers will no longer flow.

What the hell are you talking about?

The only difference in water flow between now and the 1970s is that now the urban areas have ta

Do catch up.

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

The money is gone so we won’t be getting that back. It has been used to destroy habitat everywhere that it hadn’t been destroyed before.
The landscape has been altered. Catchments, flood plains and natural drainage patterns changed forever.

Mine was one of the voices ignored whilst the MDB scheme was shamelessly raped and pillaged beyond redemption.

However, here we are where our rivers will no longer flow.

What the hell are you talking about?

The only difference in water flow between now and the 1970s is that now the urban areas have ta

He is talking a lot of sense. You are so far behind that it is not funny.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-09/murray-darling-basin-water-plan-whats-next/11290060

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

roughbarked said:

The money is gone so we won’t be getting that back. It has been used to destroy habitat everywhere that it hadn’t been destroyed before.
The landscape has been altered. Catchments, flood plains and natural drainage patterns changed forever.

Mine was one of the voices ignored whilst the MDB scheme was shamelessly raped and pillaged beyond redemption.

However, here we are where our rivers will no longer flow.

What the hell are you talking about?

The only difference in water flow between now and the 1970s is that now the urban areas have ta

He is talking a lot of sense. You are so far behind that it is not funny.

True.

The MDB on the other hand, is so far behind that it still hasn’t implemented the Idriess water supply increase plan proposed way back in 1941. It’s literally the only way to go.

The irrigators have lost half their water in the past 45 years, since the mid 1970s. All that water has gone to urban growth. Neither the water for the other farmers nor the environmental flows have changed significantly in 45 years.

Government management of the MDB is a complete dogs breakfast, but at least they seem to be well intentioned, unlike the water barons. I blame Howard for the government mess – it was he who created the water barons in order to get water users to fight one another as a deliberate attempt to stop them from working together to make things better.

Who are you going to blame when all the irrigators have gone?

mollwollfumble said:

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

What the hell are you talking about?

The only difference in water flow between now and the 1970s is that now the urban areas have ta

He is talking a lot of sense. You are so far behind that it is not funny.

True.

The MDB on the other hand, is so far behind that it still hasn’t implemented the Idriess water supply increase plan proposed way back in 1941. It’s literally the only way to go.

The irrigators have lost half their water in the past 45 years, since the mid 1970s. All that water has gone to urban growth. Neither the water for the other farmers nor the environmental flows have changed significantly in 45 years.

Government management of the MDB is a complete dogs breakfast, but at least they seem to be well intentioned, unlike the water barons. I blame Howard for the government mess – it was he who created the water barons in order to get water users to fight one another as a deliberate attempt to stop them from working together to make things better.

Who are you going to blame when all the irrigators have gone?

Government management of the MDB is a complete dogs breakfast, but at least they seem to be well intentioned, unlike the water barons. I blame Howard for the government mess

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You got that bit right.